Stop Microsoft
All Things Microsoft => Microsoft Software => Topic started by: DukePuke on 14 March 2004, 20:39
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Hi everybody, Actualy I am using windoze2k, and its IMO good operating system. I tryed 95/98/Me/xp, and I found 2000 is my ch0ice. (after patching some fucking bugs of course (http://tongue.gif) )
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[SARCASM]Yes, it's pretty good, except for all the bugs, holes, Internet Explorer integration, bloatware, virusses, spyware, crappy programs, inferior GUI, etc.[/SARCASM]
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2000 is the best Windoze will ever get...MS is now shifting from bad software to evil software. *coughLonghorncough*
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Originally posted by WMD:
2000 is the best Windoze will ever get...MS is now shifting from bad software to evil software. *coughLonghorncough*
M$ shitware has always been evil. Being bad was just a fringe benefit that's now being overshadowed by evil.
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I'm glad I'm not stuck with a "pretty good" operating system.
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Just thought I should pass on this heartening article I chanced upon following a conference call with my accounting department and our automation access/IT support crew.
I realise it's a lot of big words and not many pictures so it might not interest anyone, but in my exam, I was asked to summarise the page . After I cut out all the extraneous shite, I was left with
"Microsoft $ucks"
And why has no-one launched a class action against M$ for selling slow,buggy,bloated,vulnerable products under false pretences? Having seen several re-runs of LA Law, each admission of failure (bugfix/security patch) should result in lawsuits galore. There was some US car (Pinto or summat) that Ford (I Think) released knowing that if you indicated left while braking and were hit from behind, your car exploded (or something like that) and because they let it be sold, they were fined loadsamoney in punitive damages. And you never hear about product recalls and 'modifications' other than on the net. Well, Bill, we aren't all on the bloody dubyadubyadubya.
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I think 98 was good. I like the fact that it ran from the command prompt, so it's the most modern winfuck OS with the least bloat. It does crash a lot, but I've gotten used to that, as my modem doesn't work in Linux and I don't know how to configure dial up anyway.
If Linus had chosen to make a clone of DOS rather than UNIX, we'd probably not be using Windows anymore.
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Refalm, Windoze software is crap? Maybe Linux software is crap? Windoze2k as OS maybe is not ideal, but comercial softdevelopers do job well with their own products. I am not fan of linuxoze, but then i tryed some office/misc programs, that looked like that it was created by 1-3 fans, who had too much time in their hands. Most linux programs are CRAP! Becuz its basicaly free, and its created by individual programers. Programers is programers, they are not fuckin designers, they are not fuckin comercial managers, they are not fuckin scientists , they just write code
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Excuse me, you've only used 2 types of program, linux is very useful, try searching on Sourceforge for any type of program, i'll bet you'll find something.
You are very narrow-minded Mr., most Windows programs have problems because they are ONLY made by Microsoft programmers/coders, if the source code was available in Windows it might've been a better OS that I might have stayed with it.
But considering Bill Gates just wants money, and doesn't care much about what the MS community want from their OS, this will continue to go on.
To be honest, i'd like to put the following question to you :
What would you rather have :
1. An OS that is stable & free and has loads of programs that may not work as well as Windows, but the bugs get fixed very quickly?
OR
2. An OS that has annoying pop-ups, virtually no technical support, limited usages of programs, no source-code, no skill ed programmers/coders & countless crashes/BSoD's?
[ March 15, 2004: Message edited by: Pyrotechnician_2004 ]
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Originally posted by Annorax: Temporal Refugee:
M$ shitware has always been evil.
Not like Longhorn. :eek:
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Originally posted by Pyrotechnician_2004:
Excuse me, you've only used 2 types of program, linux is very useful, try searching on Sourceforge for any type of program, i'll bet you'll find something.
You are very narrow-minded Mr., most Windows programs have problems because they are ONLY made by Microsoft programmers/coders, if the source code was available in Windows it might've been a better OS that I might have stayed with it.
But considering Bill Gates just wants money, and doesn't care much about what the MS community want from their OS, this will continue to go on.
To be honest, i'd like to put the following question to you :
What would you rather have :
1. An OS that is stable & free and has loads of programs that may not work as well as Windows, but the bugs get fixed very quickly?
OR
2. An OS that has annoying pop-ups, virtually no technical support, limited usages of programs, no source-code, no skill ed programmers/coders & countless crashes/BSoD's?
[ March 15, 2004: Message edited by: Pyrotechnician_2004 ]
Man I know that in case 2 you mean Windoze. But actualy look up:
1. What pop-ups do you mean? No pop-ups on my windoze2k
2. No-technical support? What do you mean? I can update windoze from M$ servers, install Spacks and other $hit
3. Limited usages of programs? you mean trial ones? Its a part of commercial. If there are trial-version programs under windoze , its god sign. that means SOFTWARE IS GOOD, and user can try it , before considering to buy it. Of course, if I would create shitty program, I would not let users to "try" it, cuz nobody will buy full product. And remeber: Commercion is engine for "Good well-finished programs"
4.No skilled programmers? Man, I bet there are much more windoze programmers then Linux ones. Actualy I dunno what makes you think that winndoze programmers is "bad"? Just because they dont code for Linux? Also under windoze programmers can find much more and better developing kits
5.Countless crashes? Yeah, actualy its M$ prob (expecialy with 95/98/me), but then I got installed win2k half-year ago, crashes is realy rare, maybe explorer do it sometimes ;p
6. BSOD? Havent got any blue screen under win2k since I installed it.
So... Looks like winzoze is not so bad again (http://tongue.gif)
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1. What pop-ups do you mean? No pop-ups on my windoze2k
I think he means IE website popups. Most good browsers come with a blocker.
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2. No-technical support? What do you mean? I can update windoze from M$ servers, install Spacks and other $hit
That's not tech support. Tech support is when you try to get in contact with a real person from the company. Try doing that with MS.
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3. Limited usages of programs? you mean trial ones? Its a part of commercial. If there are trial-version programs under windoze , its god sign. that means SOFTWARE IS GOOD, and user can try it , before considering to buy it. Of course, if I would create shitty program, I would not let users to "try" it, cuz nobody will buy full product. And remeber: Commercion is engine for "Good well-finished programs"
Quoted for humor value. :D
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4.No skilled programmers? Man, I bet there are much more windoze programmers then Linux ones. Actualy I dunno what makes you think that winndoze programmers is "bad"? Just because they dont code for Linux?
There's more Windows programmers, in sheer number. But a lot of them suck. (http://tongue.gif)
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Also under windoze programmers can find much more and better developing kits
Actually, no. MS development kits are crippled so that they generate non-portable code. They always have. Porting software TO Windows has always been trivial; porting FROM Windows is impossible and requires major re-writes.
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5.Countless crashes? Yeah, actualy its M$ prob (expecialy with 95/98/me), but then I got installed win2k half-year ago, crashes is realy rare, maybe explorer do it sometimes ;p
I have XP, and I get a crash (or some error that renders the machine unusable) about once a week. IMO, that's still not very good. (With 2k it's a little less often I guess, maybe 2 weeks. :D )
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6. BSOD? Havent got any blue screen under win2k since I installed it.
True, now you get those "has encountered an error" dialog boxes. :rolleyes: Also there is still BSODs but they only show up when something REALLY bad happens.
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Originally posted by WMD:
I think he means IE website popups. Most good browsers come with a blocker.
Most do come with a pop-up blocker, I agree there. however I do NOT reccoment anybody use IE for serious web-browsing, use Opera or a Mozilla Variant
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Originally posted by WMD:
That's not tech support. Tech support is when you try to get in contact with a real person from the company. Try doing that with MS.
Try doing that with linux without hunting down for a help forum or getting slapped with "RTFM n00b!"
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Originally posted by WMD:
Quoted for humor value. :D
you don't think you should pay money for a good program, cheapskate.
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Originally posted by WMD:
There's more Windows programmers, in sheer number. But a lot of them suck. (http://tongue.gif)
There ARE skilled windows programmers, and there are bad ones, same as ANY operating system.
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Originally posted by WMD:
Actually, no. MS development kits are crippled so that they generate non-portable code. They always have. Porting software TO Windows has always been trivial; porting FROM Windows is impossible and requires major re-writes
Maybe because the operating enviroment is DIFFERENT than that of Linux, *BSD, or MacOS, and uses a different API?
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Originally posted by WMD:
I have XP, and I get a crash (or some error that renders the machine unusable) about once a week. IMO, that's still not very good. (With 2k it's a little less often I guess, maybe 2 weeks. :D )
XP != Win2k, Don't blame the OS for a crap program running in the Background of hardware shitting out, which can cause this, I have had it happen to me before.
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Originally posted by WMD:
True, now you get those "has encountered an error" dialog boxes. :rolleyes: Also there is still BSODs but they only show up when something REALLY bad happens.
You blame the operating system for killing a misbehaving app? :rolleyes: if it brought the whole system to its knee, yes, otherwise no. would you rather the OS just let it run until a much more serious error occured?
Ass.
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This "DuckPuke" is trolling.
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If Linus had chosen to make a clone of DOS rather than UNIX, we'd probably not be using Windows anymore.
No sane hacker would ever think about cloning crap like DOS.
Also, Linus never wanted to make 'micro' kernel.
(Like GNU/HURD)
Be glad he chose to clone UNIX. ;)
[ March 15, 2004: Message edited by: insomnia ]
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Ok I've had just about enough of this crap.
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Hi everybody, Actualy I am using windoze2k, and its IMO good operating system. I tryed 95/98/Me/xp, and I found 2000 is my ch0ice. (after patching some fucking bugs of course
So basically you started a whole new thread by just saying you use Win2k and you like it and that's it. Ok good for you. You like Windows. You're certainly entitled to your opinions.
But let me set forth a new rule: From now on if anyone starts a new thread by just writing one sentence with your opinion I'm going to bin it. Now don't get me wrong. I have no problem whatsoever with you posting here about how good Windows is. I use Windows too. But if I started a thread about it, I would say "I like Windows over Linux because of such and such." Never start any thread by post something stupid like "I Like Windows and that's that" without at least stating some reasons and support for your opinions.
Good thread = opinion followed by reasons and support for opinion
Bad thread = stupid remark or opinion with no facts or evidence behind it.
You're more than welcome to put your opinions up for discussion, no matter what they are. But don't make others have to write for you. Post the reasons for your opinions and then there will be a discussion.
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Maybe Linux software is crap?
Maybe it is. But how the hell would I know what you mean by that if you don't give an example of reason for saying such. You're entitled to think that Linux software is crap but if you're gonna post that statement that give A REASON and AN EXAMPLE.
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Windoze2k as OS maybe is not ideal, but comercial softdevelopers do job well with their own products.
Some do some don't. Some make the best of the situation and do their best in writing the software. Other's write just as crappy software as the OS they're writing for. Once again...please explain WTF you're babbling about.
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I am not fan of linuxoze, but then i tryed some office/misc programs, that looked like that it was created by 1-3 fans, who had too much time in their hands.
"Linuxoze"? "Tryed"? This brings me to the conclusion that you're either a 4th grader, or just a moron. My inclination is to the latter.
Once again, you have no backup for anything you're saying. What software did you try? Why not mention that when you're trying to make a point?
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Most linux programs are CRAP!
Once again you're diminishing your already non-existant credibility. Would you care to give a reason or an example of what exactly you're calling crap and why you consider it crap?
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Becuz its basicaly free, and its created by individual programers.
I am a programmer and I do not work for any software company. So according to you every program I write is crap. Well according to me, every post you write is shit.
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Programers is programers
I never would have guessed that. Just like you probably never would guess that 1 = 1 and 2 = 2.
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they are not fuckin designers, they are not fuckin comercial managers, they are not fuckin scientists , they just write code
I'm a computer science major. I have taken and continue to take many programming courses. I am also taking and will take another Software Designing class that deals explicitly with designing. The reason there exist separate jobs for those 2 things is because most commercial software is HUGE and takes months if not years to complete from scratch. That's no reason though that someone who has enough spare time can't do both if their program is small enough because it's only meant to do one thing instead of 100 things. Once again your lack of knowledge takes away from credibility that you have none of anyway.
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What pop-ups do you mean? No pop-ups on my windoze2k
Ok. FINALLY at least a partial reason for why you like Windows. Popups do not originate from the operating system. They come from a crummy web browser such as IE. Either you use a different browser or you have installed an IE popup blocking toolbar. Has nothing really to do with the OS in itself.
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No-technical support? What do you mean? I can update windoze from M$ servers, install Spacks and other $hit
Technical support is not when you download and install shit. Tech support is when you call someone for help and someone either comes to your house to fix stuff or guides you through it over the phone (usually too expensive and the guys on the phone usually are idiots I must add).
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Limited usages of programs? you mean trial ones? Its a part of commercial. If there are trial-version programs under windoze , its god sign. that means SOFTWARE IS GOOD, and user can try it , before considering to buy it. Of course, if I would create shitty program, I would not let users to "try" it, cuz nobody will buy full product. And remeber: Commercion is engine for "Good well-finished programs"
No comment...........ok nevermind I must comment on this idiocy of a post. You must not have the brains to understand that the concept of "limited usage" that comes from the majority of big commercial software these days has nothing to do with being trialware. What it means is that all the DRM that is being implemented in software (especially by Microsoft) limits what you can do in actual software that you buy. Newer version of Windows Media Player refuse to play certain flagged media files without license files attached. There are many reasons to believe that in Longhorn you won't be able to play ANY non-licensed media files without registering them online first. (I admit however that there's no proof for that yet and it might very well not be true.) There will also be ways in future Windows to block you from using non-approved-by-MS software. Windows activation. What an inconvenience to legitimate users! Those are just some examples of limited use of software.
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I bet there are much more windoze programmers then Linux ones. Also under windoze programmers can find much more and better developing kits.
Yes, there are. That's a statistic due to the wordwide monopoly of Microsoft software.
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Countless crashes? Yeah, actualy its M$ prob (expecialy with 95/98/me), but then I got installed win2k half-year ago, crashes is realy rare, maybe explorer do it sometimes
Well I agree with you here. Although it of course depends on what you do with your OS and how well you configure it. Unfortunately the majority of people can't configure anything well enough, and wind up having tons of crashes and BSODs just because their misconfigured software is eating up CPU time or the pagefile or disk space on a drive that should be set to something else.
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Hi everybody, Actualy I am using windoze2k, and its IMO good operating system.
I suppose it's better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick. ;)
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Originally posted by insomnia:
No sane hacker would ever think about cloning crap like DOS.
Actually, DOS was made by a hacker in the 80's, it was just stolen by Bill Gates and called MS DOS. Then it developed into Windoze.
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Listen you xeen, or whatever. Be lucky that you dont said "idiot" straightly to my face, cuz you'd be feel my boot-kick in your teeth , ok? I dont let that fat-ass linux cunt taunt at me without serious reason.You can laugh at my words in forum, but you will not show any braveness because any glassy fatfuck feels safe in his house behind display. Ok, I dont know correct meaning of "technical support" and "limited usage software" man, this is not sign of idiocy.
Talking about BSOD and crashes , and associate it for windoze its not accurate in these days. Windoze XP/2000 is fuckin stable, better take care of your own lnx crashes, they also occur sometimes.
What about my thread start? Yeah that I wanted say, that you guys sometimes blame M$, because you want to blame something. Reason , maybe social/psichological problems, poor childrenhood I dunno, but windoze 2000 is *good* OS, I bet you all know themselves.
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DukePuke: Listen you xeen, or whatever. Be lucky that you dont said "idiot" straightly to my face, cuz you'd be feel my boot-kick in your teeth , ok? I dont let that fat-ass linux cunt taunt at me without serious reason.You can laugh at my words in forum, but you will not show any braveness because any glassy fatfuck feels safe in his house behind display. Ok, I dont know correct meaning of "technical support" and "limited usage software" man, this is not sign of idiocy.
Talking about BSOD and crashes , and associate it for windoze its not accurate in these days. Windoze XP/2000 is fuckin stable, better take care of your own lnx crashes, they also occur sometimes.
What about my thread start? Yeah that I wanted say, that you guys sometimes blame M$, because you want to blame something. Reason , maybe social/psichological problems, poor childrenhood I dunno, but windoze 2000 is *good* OS, I bet you all know themselves.
Windows 2000 isn't good enough if you're serious about hosting a webserver or using it as a fileserver.
It might not look that way, but compared to Linux and UNIX, Windows 2000 is awfully slow on the server front.
And can you seriously claim that Windows XP is the best operating system for the desktop?
Really, install Windows XP and leave it on a broadband connection. It'll be hacked in at least a month, even with all the updates installed.
When I first heard about Longhorn, I thought Windows might be slightly better.
What a disappointment. It's just Windows XP with a theme and a lot of bloatware and a stupid 3 GHz minimum requirement (this may change however).
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Well, that makes me consider some.. Can you explain "Windoze2k is awfully slow in server front"? Actualy I believe something about it, because Linux and BSD dominates in server's sphere.
And XP, hmm.. I think this OS is reasonably safe with those patches, the guys from Redmond reacts well as new holes are discovered.
[ March 16, 2004: Message edited by: DukePuke ]
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DukePuke: Well, that makes me consider some.. Can you explain "Windoze2k is awfully slow in server front"? Actualy I believe something about it, because Linux and BSD dominates in server's sphere.
And XP, hmm.. I think this OS is reasonably safe with those patches, the guys from Redmond reacts well as new holes are discovered.
Samba can manage Active Directory and domains without the crashed that Windows NT/2000 has and is faster than Windows Server 2003 at it! Article (http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/archive/11183.html).
Microsoft now releases a monthly update, leaving crackers with one month to take advantage of an exploit. And it's proven that crackers use MSDN (http://msdn.microsoft.com/) to search for unpatched exploits so they may use them.
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Originally posted by restin256:
Actually, DOS was made by a hacker in the 80's, it was just stolen by Bill Gates and called MS DOS. Then it developed into Windoze.
I meant using it for a full OS (their is a free DOS clone).
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Thank goodness xeen is here to tell us what we can and cannot say in the forums. I might not have known.
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Try doing that with linux without hunting down for a help forum or getting slapped with "RTFM n00b!"
Maybe you should search this forum for "RTFM n00b!" because I don't hear it here. Also linuxquestions.com doesn't have that sort of stuff. Either way, MS is a big company with resources, don't you expect better from them?
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you don't think you should pay money for a good program, cheapskate.
Actually I quoted that because it the grammar made it sound so messed up. Practically didn't make his point.
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There ARE skilled windows programmers, and there are bad ones, same as ANY operating system.
I never said there weren't any. But since Windows is a monopoly, and open-source programmers are more idealistic about programming, there's probably more bad Windows ones.
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Maybe because the operating enviroment is DIFFERENT than that of Linux, *BSD, or MacOS, and uses a different API?
I'm talking about plain system calls. Normally you can re-use source code on other operating systems. But Windows relies on special things that don't conform to the agreed-upon standards.
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Don't blame the OS for a crap program running in the Background of hardware shitting out, which can cause this, I have had it happen to me before.
I get Notepad crashes if I don't reboot Windows after 12 days or so. Considering the fact that Notepad isn't a buggy program (so to speak), I think it's the OS. I get errors like that all the time.
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Actually, DOS was made by a hacker in the 80's, it was just stolen by Bill Gates and called MS DOS. Then it developed into Windoze.
DOS = CP/M, mostly, which dates back to 1978-79. So really, not only did BillyG steal it, but so did the company that he stole it from. :D
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Originally posted by DukePuke:
Well, that makes me consider some.. Can you explain "Windoze2k is awfully slow in server front"? Actualy I believe something about it, because Linux and BSD dominates in server's sphere.
AHA! So according to that statement you believe it's true since the Linux servers dominate,and you don't believe about Linux on the desktop because it's not as dominant. Dominance does not determine if a something is good or bad. Can you understand that?
By the way, for your information, DukePuke, I use Windows 2000 too. It's the best of all Windows, but I'm still the first to admit that even though I use it it's shit.
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Why don't you use Linux?
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Originally posted by insomnia:
I meant using it for a full OS (their is a free DOS clone).
Yes, but if OpenDOS were more popular, people would make Window Managers like Fluxbox, Window Maker, or FVWM ported. Then, since it would already use the windows C:\, D:\, etc drive letter calling, all you'd need to do is intergrate Windows and DirectX API's. Then, you'd have yourself a Windows Replacement. The best part is that since it's open source, it's stable, less bloated, and unlike Windoze NT, it's fully DOS compatable.
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Originally posted by d00g33 :: doogee.is.dreaming.org:
Why don't you use Linux?
I know that i'm using it as a desktop. I never like the NT line of M$ products!
For me as an opinion. Linux is FAR supirior than windows in any platform. But thats just my opinion.
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Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
I know that i'm using it as a desktop. I never like the NT line of M$ products!
For me as an opinion. Linux is FAR supirior than windows in any platform. But thats just my opinion.
An opinion?
That's without any doubt a FACT.
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Originally posted by restin256:
Yes, but if OpenDOS were more popular, people would make Window Managers like Fluxbox, Window Maker, or FVWM ported. Then, since it would already use the windows C:\, D:\, etc drive letter calling, all you'd need to do is intergrate Windows and DirectX API's. Then, you'd have yourself a Windows Replacement. The best part is that since it's open source, it's stable, less bloated, and unlike Windoze NT, it's fully DOS compatable.
But how long will you need it?
Only a few MS apps are usable.(without even being good)
GNU needs their own simular(and much better) apps.
Not those bad written MS ones.
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Didn't I hear somewhere on this site a few years ago that M$ used only 2 M$ servers, the rest were all unix? If that were true, would that not show BG's 'faith' in the excellence of his own "Product"?
And check out this M$ support page : http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-gb;835826 (http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-gb;835826)
Especially the bits about uninstalling stuff & how windows is shit for removing things. And how M$ recommend other products to carry out the jobs they admit their own software can't do (I'd ask for a refund if this wasn't a cracked copy of Win3.2 that I stole)
[ March 17, 2004: Message edited by: weallhatebillgatesFKARon ]
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Originally posted by insomnia:
But how long will you need it?
Only a few MS apps are usable.(without even being good)
GNU needs their own simular(and much better) apps.
Not those bad written MS ones.
ReactOS is already on it's way for windows replacement. Since Unix was a happy-go-lucky SOB and Windows came along and violently shook the standards, dividing two main filesystem operators (/dev/null and C:\DOS\RUN). Now we have Linux and Windows using up the desktop sharehold. I'm not sure how Mac's filestructure goes, same with OS/2 and Amiga, but I think Mac would go in the Unix-similar and OS/2 in the DOS-similar, not sure about Amiga.
I think ReactOS is only a temporary solution to pry people from Windows until they can get Linux as a replacement. Since today's and yesterday's (roughly 89-present) computer games are built on the C:\whatever filestructure, tomorrow's "classic" games will need virtual computers or emulators to actually work.
Microsoft is mainly evil for reinventing the standards.
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Amiga? try its own way. I think it used to denote things the same was as Classic Mac OS
Folder:Subfolder (http://redface.gif) bject
OS X works just like the STEPS...
Folder/Subfolder/Object
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I meant doesn't it have /etc/bin instead of C:\ ? I would think so.
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Windows 2000 was the most stable OS that Microsoft has ever made. Since then, it has gone downhill. I have Windows XP (Home Edition, which makes it all the worse), and I actually feel nostalgic for Windows 2000, which is really sad, because Windows in general is terrible. The security loopholes, the interminable list of bugs, the incompatibilty issues, and, of course, the constant updating needed for it to run without crashing every five minutes. I just hope that someday I'll have the money to get a Mac and never look back. The only thing I'm worrying about is whether the Mac that I might hypothetically get in the far, far future (because at the moment I don't have the money for it; they're pretty expensive) will be compatible with my wireless network, which is using a *Microsoft* wireless router. You can really see the difference between Microsoft's OS and Apple's by looking at their respective websites. Apple's is just better; it just works.
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Originally posted by restin256:
I think 98 was good. I like the fact that it ran from the command prompt, so it's the most modern winfuck OS with the least bloat. It does crash a lot, but I've gotten used to that, as my modem doesn't work in Linux and I don't know how to configure dial up anyway.
If Linus had chosen to make a clone of DOS rather than UNIX, we'd probably not be using Windows anymore.
I use 98 when I have to use win. But the crashing gets to a point where you really do want to throw the whole pc out the window. Should be called "Chuck out of windows 98" :D
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Bwahahaha your all damn wierd fighting like kids over which candy is better. your can never say which OS is better coz some like one some like the other, in my opinion i prefer windows but that is coz i dont know linux well enough i have both OS's on my system but when i installed windows that was it no hassels when i installed linux it was complex and i fucked it up 5 times and had to reinstall it 5 times but that does not make me think that linux is crap and that there programers suck. Maybe it is a PEBKAC problem o wait none of you people like to think you are the problem right you all just think your are gods lmao well PEBKAC - Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair. I installed linux 5 times why ? coz i didnt understand it, Is this the programmers fault No and Yes.. No coz i should try reading up on it before i just go and install.. Yes because they should have made it more user friendly. Also there are different uses for each OS or should i say advantages, like linux is better if you where to host sites and what not. well anyway ive had my share of this topic have fun bye bye now lol.
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well actualy i found that installing linuxoze need some little experience. Its not enough be able to use keyboard (and or mice) , but need to know some fuckin commands to make it well.
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Refalm, Windoze software is crap? Maybe Linux software is crap?
don't say that linux is crap. and the sofware is better than MS software will ever be.
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hehe ok ;)
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DukePuke: Refalm, Windoze software is crap? Maybe Linux software is crap?
Did I say that? Windows has some pretty good software available, like Mozilla, Opera, Unreal Tournament 2004, The GIMP, Apache, Duke Nukem 3D, etc.
Oh wait, but they're also for Linux, so why not use that? ;)
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smth mentioned "blender" or such kind of software for linux, but everybody forgot maya? Looks like "shrek" was created with maya under linux system
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DukePuke: smth mentioned "blender" or such kind of software for linux, but everybody forgot maya? Looks like "shrek" was created with maya under linux system
Indeed, Blender isn't quite ready for rendering movies like "Ice Age".
I always thought Maya was Mac only, it surprises me that they made a Linux version too.
All hail nVidia, without them, modern commercial gaming and 3D rendering would not exist on Linux.
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[ May 07, 2004: Message edited by: Refalm ]
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Originally posted by Refalm:
Indeed, Blender isn't quite ready for rendering movies like "Ice Age".
The latest Blender includes raytracing and it is a way improved. Take a look at the gallery on www.blender3d.org. (http://www.blender3d.org.) Blender 3D is catching up.
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Unreal Tournament 2004 Editor refuses to work on my Debian system, although the game itself runs better than my win2k sys (identical machines, nvidia 5950, waiting for ATI R420). This proves that Windoze just suxors to_the_max. UTEd 2004 Seems to just do a core dump, any ideas?
[ May 07, 2004: Message edited by: yourmom ]
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Originally posted by Refalm:
Indeed, Blender isn't quite ready for rendering movies like "Ice Age".
I always thought Naya was Mac only, it surprises me that they made a Linux version too.
All hail nVidia, without them, modern commercial gaming and 3D rendering would not exist on Linux.
Maya is awailable even for windoze NT systemz..
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I remeber tht I was very pro-"efficient" with win95 and winME but thats because I had to rebuild and reinstall everything every couple of months. I became ver knowledgeable on fixing problems and such.
But since I switched to linux I discovered a whole new life exists outside of computers. Mainly becuse my machines run without my help.
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yourmom: nvidia 5950, waiting for ATI R420
Is it possible to do OpenGL + SDL games like UT 2004 with an ATi videocard?
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Listen you xeen, or whatever. Be lucky that you dont said "idiot"
You're an idiot. You come here with your poor grammar and spelling, which may be forgiveable (English may not be your first language), but that's not the issue. The issue is you appear to be a moron in the way you present your ideas and communicate.
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straightly to my face, cuz you'd be feel my boot-kick in your teeth , ok?
::waits for this so-called "boot-kick"::
Not feeling it.
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I dont let that fat-ass linux cunt taunt at me without serious reason.
That fat ass linux cunt! I hate that guy! He always taunts at me without serious reason! I can't believe the nerve of Linux, always being mean to people!
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You can laugh at my words in forum, but you will not show any braveness because any glassy fatfuck feels safe in his house behind display.
Right.
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Ok, I dont know correct meaning of "technical support" and "limited usage software" man, this is not sign of idiocy.
But do you know the meaning of "you've become annoying"?
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Talking about BSOD and crashes , and associate it for windoze its not accurate in these days. Windoze XP/2000 is fuckin stable, better take care of your own lnx crashes, they also occur sometimes.
Sometimes. Not predictably, though.
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What about my thread start? Yeah that I wanted say, that you guys sometimes blame M$, because you want to blame something. Reason , maybe social/psichological problems, poor childrenhood I dunno, but windoze 2000 is *good* OS, I bet you all know themselves.
Blah blah. More bullshit.
BTW, Linuxoze is not a real thing. I'll ask you once again, WHY DO YOU CALL IT THAT? Also, what is "smth"? You have the strangest words in the world.
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btw why do you raise up that ancient old flame to nowaday? And you call me idiot, lol, i have nothing much to say you, just pure "stfu"
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You're the one who dared me.
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If you are from Lithuania, we can make fist-fight somewhere to see who is stronger, but i doubt you are from my homeland, so you can yell in forums like bitch and insult me, you dont make sense to me.
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DukePuke: If you are from Lithuania, we can make fist-fight somewhere to see who is stronger, but i doubt you are from my homeland, so you can yell in forums like bitch and insult me, you dont make sense to me.
Zombie9920 deja-vu anyone? :D
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can you explain me that post, refalm? Souns smth funny
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Originally posted by DukePuke:
can you explain me that post, refalm? Souns smth funny
What does "smth" mean :confused:
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Hey, DukePuke, you obviously didn't read what I said. I wasn't insulting your English, as you met the requirement "English is not your first language".
Since it isn't, then the language problem isn't a problem... you're just not good with English.
It still doesn't change the fact that you do some really strange things. For one, you use these words and nobody has any clue what they or, what they mean, or why you use them
"Linuxoze" and "smth" an things like that. What do they mean? You've NEVER ANSWERED THOSE QUESTIONS.
Can you answer them please? Why do you say "Linuxoze"? What does "smth" mean?
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Linux has more holes then windows. If you ever come across a site on exploiting or that has verious exploits look at what systems they are for. 85% are Linux systems, and just look at Apache and all the modules bundled with it most vulnerabilities are found in those modules
Here are just a few linux holes
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Linux kernel versions 2.4.22 through 2.4.25 and 2.6.1 through 2.6.3 have an integer overflow in setsockopt MCAST_MSFILTER. Proper exploitation of this vulnerability can lead to privilege escalation.
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PaX with CONFIG_PAX_RANDMMAP for Linux 2.6 denial of service proof of concept exploit the send the kernel into an infinite loop.
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Local root exploit for Squirrelmail's chpasswd utility. Tested on GNU/Debian with kernel 2.4.24 and on RH 9.0 shrike with kernel 2.4.20.
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X-Chat versions 2.0.8 through 1.8.0 remote exploit that makes use of a buffer overflow in the SOCKS-5 proxy code. Successful exploitation binds a shell to port 7979.
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Linux eXtremail versions 1.5.9 and below remote root exploit that makes use of a format string vulnerability in its logging mechanism.
And the list goes on and on. Yes you will find alot of exploits in windows. But this is just for the people that say linux does not have holes, and is o so superior, blah fucking blah open your eyes.
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Originally posted by VexBlade:
Linux has more holes then windows.
And the earth is flat.
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If you ever come across a site on exploiting or that has verious exploits look at what systems they are for. 85% are Linux systems, and just look at Apache and all the modules bundled with it most vulnerabilities are found in those modules
Here are just a few linux holes
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Linux kernel versions 2.4.22 through 2.4.25 and 2.6.1 through 2.6.3 have an integer overflow in setsockopt MCAST_MSFILTER. Proper exploitation of this vulnerability can lead to privilege escalation.
Yes, those were patched and most never make it to the finnal distro.
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PaX with CONFIG_PAX_RANDMMAP for Linux 2.6 denial of service proof of concept exploit the send the kernel into an infinite loop.
Again this was the test kernel. Just before its initial release.
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Local root exploit for Squirrelmail's chpasswd utility. Tested on GNU/Debian with kernel 2.4.24 and on RH 9.0 shrike with kernel 2.4.20.
key words here 'local.' I doubt a skript kiddiot is gonna clime through my kitchen window.
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X-Chat versions 2.0.8 through 1.8.0 remote exploit that makes use of a buffer overflow in the SOCKS-5 proxy code. Successful exploitation binds a shell to port 7979.
An IRC application. if we are going to compare Linux vs Windows apps then double the amount of holes in windows.
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Linux eXtremail versions 1.5.9 and below remote root exploit that makes use of a format string vulnerability in its logging mechanism.
Again patches are avilable. Exploit not in use. But doesn't hurt to be safe.
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And the list goes on and on. Yes you will find alot of exploits in windows. But this is just for the people that say linux does not have holes, and is o so superior, blah fucking blah open your eyes.
Have done. Compare this to the BILLIONS of infected windows machine with the latest 0wn3d32.worm. Which explot the same holes over and over again.
linux does have 'holes,' but unlike windows the patches not only fixes those holes but THE ACTUALY WORK!!! they don't lock up the entire system by breaking something in the OS.
If you look, you will also notice that people post these when they check code so peoplpe have a chance to correct it on the up comming version and finnaly ALWAYS provide a link if you are going to spout off something.
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shut up windowz sucks
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Add how fast these exploits on Linux are solved compared to Microsoft Windows.
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VexBlade: Linux has more holes then windows. If you ever come across a site on exploiting or that has verious exploits look at what systems they are for. 85% are Linux systems, and just look at Apache and all the modules bundled with it most vulnerabilities are found in those modules
Here are just a few linux holes
1.
Linux kernel versions 2.4.22 through 2.4.25 and 2.6.1 through 2.6.3 have an integer overflow in setsockopt MCAST_MSFILTER. Proper exploitation of this vulnerability can lead to privilege escalation.
2.
PaX with CONFIG_PAX_RANDMMAP for Linux 2.6 denial of service proof of concept exploit the send the kernel into an infinite loop.
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Local root exploit for Squirrelmail's chpasswd utility. Tested on GNU/Debian with kernel 2.4.24 and on RH 9.0 shrike with kernel 2.4.20.
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X-Chat versions 2.0.8 through 1.8.0 remote exploit that makes use of a buffer overflow in the SOCKS-5 proxy code. Successful exploitation binds a shell to port 7979.
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Linux eXtremail versions 1.5.9 and below remote root exploit that makes use of a format string vulnerability in its logging mechanism.
And the list goes on and on. Yes you will find alot of exploits in windows. But this is just for the people that say linux does not have holes, and is o so superior, blah fucking blah open your eyes.
Yes, Linux has lots of holes and exploits. The thing is, it's usually solved in a week (if not in a day or within 20 minutes :D ).
Microsoft keeps all the bugs to Windows silent. A security breach to Windows is usually known for months on MSDN, and Microsoft is holding back patches and updates to make it look like Windows isn't a Swiss cheese.
I'm curious though, if their anti-virus and spyware detection system in Windows XP SP2 actually works. I personally think it's just another way to disable software made by concurrents. Think about it, how do you complain to Microsoft that your software isn't a virus, but Windows anti-virus detects it as one? Solving it could take months.
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Bwa hahaha. Windoze got more bugs than the rainforest bru. Suckz.
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I use Windows XP for games. Other than that, Mozilla is the default browser and I mostly use third party product as I disabled all these Microsoft certificates feature found on Windows XP.