Stop Microsoft
All Things Microsoft => Microsoft Software => Topic started by: Refalm on 2 June 2002, 15:36
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Here are some quotes:
"Linux made a Windows emulator, because they know Windows is better."
"If Windows is a Mac improvement, Mac must really suck."
"Linux sucks."
"What is Linux?"
"The Macintosh sucks because it's GUI looks ugly."
"The iMac is expencive, slow, buggy and doesn't work."
"Try a Window application in Linux, you can't."
At the metro station, I saw a XBOX poster and I fell like pointing my middlefinger at it, and this is my classmate's responce: "Your different. You don't like good machines."
[ June 02, 2002: Message edited by: Refalm ]
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And here's my favourite:
Nearly everything that's out on the Mac is also available for Windows. And if it's not, use a Mac emulator.
[ June 09, 2002: Message edited by: Gooseberry Clock ]
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I enjoy other men they make me hot. I dont like macs because chicks do. Chicks are evil. All you need is other guys to bum. So as you know i am a full on Gaysex junkie and i fuck other boys. And i wouldnt want to upset a moderator as they will edit my posts!
[ June 06, 2002: Message edited by: X11 ]
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Originally posted by Mac Hater:
ONE THAT IS CERTAINLY FOR THE MAC IS PLENTY OF GAY SOFTARE LIKE FISTING FIREMEN VII AND IRON MAN COMPETITION 2002
You're still here?
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Why is he doing this? We are not all pro-apple; we are all anti-m$. He's not even posting in the MacOS section.
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cloudstrife: Why is he doing this? We are not all pro-apple; we are all anti-ms. He's not even posting in the MacOS section.
Very true, this isn't a PC vs. Mac forum. I've tried Mac OS 8 and 9 and I simply love it. I saw Red Hat Linux running, and found out that it's much more stable that Windows XP.
I don't think Mac Hater even tried the Macintosh, but is brainwashed by the "coolness" of Windows. Well, go to your local Apple reseller and try out a Mac or install a user-friendly Linux distro such as Mandrake or Lycoris Desktop/LX and eXPerience an OS much better than Windows XP. (I was anti-Apple once because the iMac looked pretty ugly, but then I tried out Mac OS 8 and I simply loved it, and a year later, they changed the "trendy" collours for a much better looking iMac and Power Mac)
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Mac Hater: ONE THAT IS CERTAINLY FOR THE MAC IS PLENTY OF GAY SOFTARE LIKE FISTING FIREMEN VII AND IRON MAN COMPETITION 2002
So, your basicly think games like Unreal Tournament, Red Faction, The Sims, Oni and many more are gay?
Did you know that all these games are avaible for Mac OS and that it runs fine? (saw it with my own eyes, and no, don't start with the one-button-mouse, because you can connect any mouse on a Mac you want)
You know what? I'm not pro-Apple or pro-Linux, both suck and you know what? All OS's suck because they aren't complete. But the one that sucks most suck rate and clearly exceeds all the other OS's in suck rate is Windows. They steal everything and then are saying that they created it.
Would your teacher approve it if you stole someone's sience project and then pretended that you did it your self? (assuming that your 8 years old , because you sure act like one(no offence 8 year olds :D )).
Maybe you should just fuck off and do something usefull with your life, because you suck computering.
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Originally posted by Refalm:
But the one that sucks most suck rate and clearly exceeds all the other OS's in suck rate is Windows. They steal everything and then are saying that they created it.
Definitely true ;)
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OK before some idiots try to take over the quotes to let it serve as "intelligent" stuff to prove Microsoft is cool:
"Linux made a Windows emulator, because they know Windows is better."
- No, it only makes Linux compatible with Windows to make things easyer for people switching from Windows to a Linux distro. Linux didn't make a Windows emulator, someone else did.
"If Windows is a Mac improvement, Mac must really suck."
- No, Microsoft stole things from Apple, and made it their own OS suck. Mac OS is still way better than Windows.
"Linux sucks."
No, just because you don't like it doesn't mean it sucks. Because it doesn't, you can run many Win32 apps in user-friendly distro's like Lycoris Desktop/LX and Mandrake.
"What is Linux?"
- A core for many distributions. Many distributions have exceded Windows in power and ease.
"The Macintosh sucks because it's GUI looks ugly."
- Yeah right, that's why Apple has won three designer prizes in London this week. And it looks way better than the kindergarten wannabe GUI of Windows XP.
"The iMac is expencive, slow, buggy and doesn't work."
- It's far from slow, not at all buggy and works fine. Expencive maybe, but you'll get more quality than Windows for the prise. No bundling, no licences, no adds like in Windows Messenger and professional programs wich comes standard.
"Try a Window application in Linux, you can't."
- Try Wine (http://www.winehq.com/), you'll see that many run just fine.
"Your different. You don't like good machines."
- I like good machines. I don't like the XBOX. I like PC's with a good non-Microsoft software package installed on it. And I tried a iMac a few times, now that's what I call a good machine.
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Try a Window application in Linux, you can't.
Thats right, I can't, oh well, too bad I cant use Windows Media Player, IE, and outlook. Gee, Ill really miss them ;)
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ThePreacher: Thats right, I can't
Click here (http://franksworld.net/wine/pages/apps.html).
[ June 02, 2002: Message edited by: Refalm ]
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"How do I right click?"
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here are some of the things i get, my family KNOWS that Linux is better but they have problems upgrading to Linux
"i don't know how to use that sh** and it seems really complicated since you use the console for everything"
"but then how can i use my stuff?"
i love being in an accepting family of the L000nix type (http://smile.gif)
i can't get my dad's Quicken 2.0 to work through Wine so that's why MS stays on the slow computer :(
i got great friends too. my best friend, a chemistry student, was so pissed off at his screwed up Win98 computer which froze every 10 minutes literaly that he switched over to Linux even though it meant he would not be able to play Half-Life until he got Wine to work.
some of the guys i hang out with don't know sh** about Linux though, here are some quotes
"what version of windows does your computer have?"
"wtf is Linux, is that come gay piece of crap like Mac?" (the macs at school have SOOO many problems that's why he doesn't like them, i don't like em either)
"yer a nerd, you talk about all this programming crap and Linux or whatever"
[ June 03, 2002: Message edited by: Chooco ]
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"yer a nerd, you talk about all this programming crap and Linux or whatever"
this is just the modern version of that guy who kicks sand in yr face in those comic ads in the sixties. These sorts of morons are only covering up their own fear of inadequacy and failure. Don't be too hard on them...
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I've got some more things, about lamer friends:
If you say Linux is better, and they are like good friends of you and see that you are a bit of a smart guy and think: 'hey, maybe he's right ?? ' their first question is: How does it look like ? Does it look like windoze? Do you have a taskbar and icons ?
This is so deeply pounded into every windoze user on earth, that you can bet 99% of all people would say this. I would say:
- How does it look like?
Does it matter ? It's the engine under the hood that counts, because linux i so much better built than windoze. Hell, i could do more things in 3 seconds with my root terminal than you could in 3 years with some dumb windoze GUI.
- Does it look like windows?
No, it looks BETTER than windoze, but it also doesn't have to, because of the terminal.
- Does it have a taskbar and icons?
Yes.
Gosh, like i said before, people think their computer is SOO great, that their crappy M$- shite
is part of that coolness .....
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haw haw haw! you should tell them all that it's all just command line stuff and that's why it's so stable and fast and so on, and that's why you can write a lot of CDs with no errors and rip CDs, and do really good design, and so on and never have a crash, and you can't get hacked into even with the latest superdupermacrocon.exe program!!!! (and so on and so forth)...
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I love it when people call me a nerd or some kind of name because I like computers so much. What I tell them back is:
"Be nice to the nerds. You'll work for them one day."
They might try to respond, but all you have to tell them is this:
"Name me one thing you have that has not been directly or indirectly involved with a computer? And, who do you go crying to when yours breaks down and you can't do your English report?"
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uh huh? so you get a lot of practice at being called a nerd then do you? ;)
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Originally posted by X11:
how many CPU's can Linux handle.... about 32... Can you install Linux on a Cray?YES!
Maybe in Teletubby Land. And what the hell is a cray?
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What's a cray... ROFLMAO!
[ June 03, 2002: Message edited by: VoidMain ]
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A cray is an extremely powerful super computer. It is often used to plot weather patterns and astronomical events. It was also used in 1983 to make the very first digitally animated film scenes(ever) in "2010: The Year we Make Contact".
Windows would have a heart attack on it, while Linux works micely. Back in the 80's they used Unix, obviously.
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"uh huh? so you get a lot of practice at being called a nerd then do you?"
Hell yea, my school presentation of "The Personal Computer Revolution" and my entire section DEDICATED to unix made some people think I was a hacker.
Don't underestimate stupid people, they might do something dumb. - Me.
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actually if people listened to the entire story of Linux they would switch over in a second. KDE is just like Windows. if you can use Windows, you can use KDE. the console is a lot like DOS, if you liked DOS then you will love Linux (i liked DOS a LOT (http://smile.gif) ). you can run almost any windows program in Linux, my friend and i can both run Half-Life, Unreal Tournament and Sim City through Wine. if you go to console and tye "xinit" you get the GUI ability of well a GUI lol but the speed of console.
hey what about BSD? have you ever suggested BSD to a friend? i'm not sure if i want to try that or not, can BSD run KDE? does it have the same commands?
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Originally posted by Chooco:
hey what about BSD? have you ever suggested BSD to a friend? i'm not sure if i want to try that or not, can BSD run KDE? does it have the same commands?
If by BSD you mean FreeBSD, OpenBSD, or NetBSD, then it is very similar to Linux. The BSD's I listed are free and open source, but not under the GPL, they have a more relaxed license to them. Many Linux programs are also available for them and they run many GNU programs just like Linux. The three BSD's above can run many Linux programs natively without modification(some programs just won't work). KDE is available and is included with the three. Most of the commands are identicle seeing as both BSD and Linux are POSIX compatible. The BSD's are harder to install but easy to maintain, and have lower system requirements such as being able to run in 5 megs of ram with 16megs recomended. The BSD's are generally not for desktop use but can do the job nicely. FreeBSD is even used by Microsoft, although they won't admit it. The BSD's don't support as much hardware or as many filesystems though, but they will run on most PC's nicely.
I suggest you try FreeBSD. But be careful when installing it, it is possible to fuck up your other OS's and it won't stop you. And some things are named differently in /dev then in Linux: I will list the Linux version then the BSD version:
/dev/hda1 = /dev/ad0s1a
/dev/hdb1 = /dev/ad1s1a
Hope that helps.
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I've noticed that BSD feels more 'solid' than Linux. Linux feels like it was slopped together by a bunch of guys who didn't know each other and didn't communicate about bugs and probable issues.
BSD feels more solid, feels like everything is integrated all in one tight core. Maybe that's because the *BSD development teams are usually one centralized group who have to approve everything before it hits the final releases.
If I was using an x86, I'd prefer BSD for my kernel, though Linux is increasingly popular on the desktop. I'll have to wait and see if Linux becomes a little bit more tightly integrated and solid before I try to pick it up again.
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If you like BSD better than use it.
That's the beauty of open source; binary compatibility is possible. With the BSD's you can run Linux software if Linux binary compatibility is enabled.
Personaly for the desktop(out of BSD or Linux), I prefer Linux. But I have found out that FreeBSD is generally better for servers than Linux.
Linux isn't just slopped together. Most distros are managed by a company, and everything is usually carefully chosen and bugs are generally few. The only slopped together thing in Linux is developers kernels(2.5.x right now), and that's because they are under heavy developement; with a stable kernel it has been approved by Linus and the other kernel mantainers.
While it can be said that BSD developement is more organized, that doesn't always make a better OS.
But overall, it is personal choice.
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Well the *real* beauty of open source is that you don't *need* binary compatibility. You've got the source. "make;make install". And I like and use both BSD and Linux. I use Linux mostly though on both server and desktop.
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Originally posted by VoidMain:
Well the *real* beauty of open source is that you don't *need* binary compatibility. You've got the source. "make;make install". And I like and use both BSD and Linux. I use Linux mostly though on both server and desktop.
unfortunately, may of the more crucial and advanced utilities are closed source, and this is the way it will likely stay. Especially in the fields of design, art, photography and music manipulation. :(
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Originally posted by Calum:
unfortunately, may of the more crucial and advanced utilities are closed source, and this is the way it will likely stay. Especially in the fields of design, art, photography and music manipulation. :(
And hence the reason why binary compatibility is so useful.
I don't think it will stay that way forever. I forsee a future in which all software is open source, but that wil take quite a long time.
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Originally posted by Calum:
unfortunately, may of the more crucial and advanced utilities are closed source, and this is the way it will likely stay. Especially in the fields of design, art, photography and music manipulation. :(
Maybe for you. In my line of work, the open source stuff kicks all closed source apps ass. But we are obviously in different lines of work.
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I've noticed that BSD feels more 'solid' than Linux. Linux feels like it was slopped together by a bunch of guys who didn't know each other and didn't communicate about bugs and probable issues.
BSD feels more solid, feels like everything is integrated all in one tight core. Maybe that's because the *BSD development teams are usually one centralized group who have to approve everything before it hits the final releases.
If I was using an x86, I'd prefer BSD for my kernel, though Linux is increasingly popular on the desktop. I'll have to wait and see if Linux becomes a little bit more tightly integrated and solid before I try to pick it up again.
fascinating, i would really like to try BSD, i really would. but i'm too concerned about compatibility...... you know how you download apache and it says "other_linux" can that work on FreeBSD? for the Half-Life Dedicated Server for Linux, does that work on FreeBSD?
the dedicated server comes as a .bin file then once you agree to some conditions it turns into a tar.gz file which does not have a "make" to it, you just type 'tar zxvf hlds*.gz' and it makes the folder.....will that work on FreeBSD?
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Originally posted by Ctrl Alt Del 123:
who do you go crying to when yours breaks down and you can't do your English report?"
Speaking of English:
I'm not one to bragg, but if you wanted to show how much of a "nerd" aka enlightened person you really are, you would say "To whom do you go crying when yours breaks down and you can't do your English report?" Start saying things like that and your reputation for a nerd will increase exponentially.
p.s. I'm good w/ grammer, but don't flame me because I can't spell.
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Actually, I prefer "Q: Who ya gonna call when your computer blue screens on ya after you've spent all fuckin' day typin' that English report without savin' it? A: 1-800-WAAAAAA".
[ June 10, 2002: Message edited by: VoidMain ]
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yeah, i get sick of answer questions like,
"does it support networking"
"can i play quake 3 on it"
"i love unreal for the mac can i play unreal on linux"
"i heard linux was only for webservers"
and last but not least
"what about kazaa, is there something like it"
well, needless to say, most people who have seen my setup of kde3 almost shat there pants and said, that it was eiser then windows, also one of my friends is switching to linux on atleast one of his computers becuase it is easyer to install and he needs to try it, YES you heard me make this herectical claim that linux is easyer to install then windows, but most who try to refute me have never had to install the son of a bitch themselves, it came on there computer o well
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the only problem with Linux is that shit installs just TERRIBLE. remember with Windows 3.1 how you would install a program by just putting all the stuff in a folder then running it? to take it out just delete the folder? well Linux is like that but totaly f***ed. i installed Pure-FTP server today and it has these problems:
-it makes the same named config in about 3 different folders
-it doesn't have its own directory
-it never told me where the bulk of the crap was installed to
if i wanted to get rid of that FTP server i would be f***ed because there is no list of files, there is no program to uninstall it and there is no single folder that it is in.....they should serious stop being retarted with making Linux programs all sucky like that. good programs are ones that simply take 1 folder and that is all with exception to putting an executable in a bin folder somewhere. just delete that one folder and the program is gone and you can forget about it. examples of good programs would be: Apache, Mozilla, Opera, HLDS_l
[ June 11, 2002: Message edited by: Chooco ]
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Originally posted by Chooco:
the only problem with Linux is that shit installs just TERRIBLE.
no it doesn't quote:
remember with Windows 3.1 how you would install a program by just putting all the stuff in a folder then running it? to take it out just delete the folder? well Linux is like that but totaly f***ed.
it's nothing like that, the mac is a bit like that, but not fucked, sorry. quote:
i installed Pure-FTP server today and it has these problems:
-it makes the same named config in about 3 different folders
oh call mummy i don't think i can cope
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-it doesn't have its own directory
good job you were wearing your brown trousers then, eh?
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-it never told me where the bulk of the crap was installed to
did you ask it? and why are you installing it if it's crap, plus, dumbfuck, you make the completely obvious mistake that many closedminded people make in complaining that one shitty application proves that the entire operating system is shit, get a life, think about what you are saying! what if i installed "ShitFTP for windows" and it fucks up my registry so badly that i waste several days reinstalling and lose some data in the process? Actually that is the fault of the shitty operating system, but since linux can't be fucked up that way, we'll never be able to make a true comparison...
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if i wanted to get rid of that FTP server i would be f***ed because there is no list of files,
yes there is quote:
there is no program to uninstall it
there's one installed on your computer right now that will do the job, i suspect quote:
and there is no single folder that it is in.....
oh dear, better go back to good old windows 3.1 then... quote:
they should serious stop being retarted with making Linux programs all sucky like that.
that sentence speaks for itself. quote:
good programs are ones that simply take 1 folder and that is all with exception to putting an executable in a bin folder somewhere.
actually good programs are ones that have been written well, what are you fucking talking about? quote:
just delete that one folder and the program is gone and you can forget about it.
right, thanks for the hint... quote:
examples of good programs would be: Apache, Mozilla, Opera, HLDS_l
whatever. I suggest you either ask questions instead of bitching about it, or fuck off back to being a DOS h4xx0r. All that shit about 'i can't find my files boo hoo' and all that piss could be easily answered if you'd only ask. I really don't feel like making the effort now that you have just whined and bitched. Maybe somebody else can be arsed though... good luck.
[ June 11, 2002: Message edited by: Calum ]
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did i just read that, jesus, there is better documentation under unix then there is under windows,
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My friends:
"The Mac is not user-friendly. Windows is."
"Windows 95 never crashes."
"The number of people using Windows says it all - Windows is better."
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Honestly, if not for OS X I would have left Mac around 1999. Mac Classic, while a great GUI had serious reliability problems. Now with OS X finally here are with Jaguar on the horizon, and guys like Jordan Hubbard from FreeBSD on board at Apple, I'm glad I didn't switch to Windoze, unfortunately, I still use a Win98 (urg) box at work because the scientific software I use doesn't run on Win NT/2000/XP, much less Linux or Mac.
Windows has only crashed on me three times today. Yay.
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Another quote from a friend that claims that Windows is so much better than anything else:
"Registry? Is that the thing that you send in to register your copy of software?"
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Your friends are lamers? So are mine. Lets make actually DO something about it.
Edit: This was my 100th post of utter nonsence and bad spelling. Hoorah.
[ July 04, 2002: Message edited by: TheQuirk ]
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Ahem -- I would like to present this little gem I had right after answering this topic:
(17:58:07) The Quirk 123: http://www.apple.com/xserve/ (http://www.apple.com/xserve/)
(17:58:09) The Quirk 123: drool
(17:58:16) The Quirk 123: did i send you that link a few weeks ago?
(17:58:26) xxx: i dun think so
(17:58:58) xxx: sweet
(17:59:28) xxx: shame its a mac
(17:59:33) The Quirk 123: what?
(17:59:40) The Quirk 123: macs are great
(17:59:47) xxx: macs are the devil
(17:59:50) The Quirk 123: and if you think otherwise, you're a fool.
(17:59:51) The Quirk 123: and why?
(18:00:02) xxx: they're too user-friendly!
(18:00:28) The Quirk 123: you must be stupid.
(18:00:42) xxx: youve just noticed?
(18:00:52) The Quirk 123: hilarious
(18:00:56) The Quirk 123: why do you hate macs?
(18:01:08) xxx: theyre too user friendly.
(18:01:13) The Quirk 123: why is that bad?
(18:01:22) The Quirk 123: they are more customizable then windows
(18:01:30) The Quirk 123: and darwin is open sourced
(18:01:35) The Quirk 123: it's based on mach 3.0
(18:01:52) xxx: even os2 warp is better than mac!
(18:01:58) xxx logged out.
I have very long conversations with another guy who claims windows is superior to everything else. All the time. Every day.
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Mac Hater is probably steve Jobs :D
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Originally posted by VoidMain:
What's a cray... ROFLMAO!
[ June 03, 2002: Message edited by: VoidMain ]
hey buddy, not all of us here are hard core egg heads, or what you would so call "Elite".