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All Things Microsoft => Microsoft Software => Topic started by: FktheSoft on 18 October 2002, 15:22
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Hello everybody!
I'm new in the neighborhood, I found this site just the last week and I'm sure I can receive some help here. I use Win2000 and by accident I deleted the "recycle bin icon" from the desktop. Now I cannot put it back. I was not able to find the icon, nor the app in the HHD.
I have asked for help in the microsoft.com support but all they say is NOTHING.. no response.
I tried asking some people I know and work with computers but none of them knows.
MICROSOFT SUCKS and that's why I came here guys.
Could you give me a hand??? Thanks very much!
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Well, this may not be the answer you are looking for, but I think it will be of much more help to you than the answer that you are looking for.
You are right in saying the Microsoft sucks, and the windows you are running is what belongs in the recycling bin. Since you cannot put it there, an alternative method of throwing it away would be formatting your entire hard drive.
Now its time to get a recycling bin again. Get a copy of Linux. Its free and can do whatever windows can, really. You can download one from www.linuxiso.org. (http://www.linuxiso.org.) There are many versions of linux. For beginners, if you are one, try RedHat, SuSe, Lycrosis or Mandrake. Look over the web pages of them and choose. Download a Linux ISO image to CD (you might though have to do this step before formatting your hard drive if you don't have access to a different computer). Newer versions of Linux quite easy to install. Install it, boot it up, and now you have a nice little trashcan or recycling bin ready made for you.
Your problem solved and many more.
I really think you should consider seriously doing this. You WILL be glad you did. (http://smile.gif)
V
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I agree with Doctor V. I don't know if there is really a way to restore that Recycle Bin or not but I can definitely point the way out from Windows. All you have to do is follow the link to linuxiso.org that Doctor V provided in his previous post and if you have cable or a fast Internet connection, the rest is history. On the other hand if you do not, you can order very cheap Linux CDs from the Web.
Do not be intimidated by Linux because it is now easier than ever to install and use for everyday tasks. I won't tell you to format your HD or anything like that, but if you are open minded enough, give Linux a try (http://smile.gif)
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Hello everybody!
I'm new in the neighborhood, I found this site just the last week and I'm sure I can receive some help here. I use Win2000 and by accident I deleted the "recycle bin icon" from the desktop. Now I cannot put it back. I was not able to find the icon, nor the app in the HHD.
I have asked for help in the microsoft.com support but all they say is NOTHING.. no response.
I tried asking some people I know and work with computers but none of them knows.
MICROSOFT SUCKS and that's why I came here guys.
Could you give me a hand??? Thanks very much!
how did you do that?
welcome to the boards, i hope to see you posting here in future, but i must say that if you reckon that microsoft sucks, then why do you use windows 2000?
in windows, try right clicking something and see if you get the 'send to recycle bin' dialogue, then try and send it there...
if you really are desperate to keep using windows, maybe you should ask your question at www.windowsbbs.com (http://www.windowsbbs.com)
[ October 18, 2002: Message edited by: Calum ]
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Hey guys, I'm back again!
Thanks a lot for your advices. I do use WIN2000 since I'm doing an internship somewhere and is not my computer. That's why I have to leave as it was before... sigh!.. perharps will be needed to reinstall all the win $it. The damn recycle bin is gone from the system I could say. I do not even receive the "send to recycle bin" option in any manu anemore.
Talking about Linux... well, for telling the truth is taht at home I have the XP version just coz I've been afraid of Linux. That's the truth.
I would dare to change at home if I know some extra details. I mostly use Photoshop, Flash, and all those nice things that help me to get prepare for the moment I have to work in a company. Most of my sw is not completely legal for saying in one way. That might be a "dark" practise or however you may call it BUT the thing is that I do not have 12000 USD that I may need to get the original and legal copies.
U understand that of course ;) ... so, can I still use this software with Linux? will all the other MS crap still work? (word, powerpoint, excel) or do I have to get other sw as well?...
Thanks guys!
ps. I would get a mac IF there yould be the CASH! :( :( :( :(
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What ever you do - Do not get a mac - yuck and yuck again....... I am using winxp and am goin to look into gettin linix today - ihear so many good things about it so here i go--------- Oh btw you can fix your problem by restoring your comp to and earlier date .... Just goto start scroll up to programs then to accessories then to system tools and click on system restore... I garentee that will work... just choose a date b4 you accidently deleted that bin.....
Good luck and Peace out......
The Kid Creation
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Get a Mac when you can afford it and believe me you won't look back! I got an iBook about a month ago and I must say I'm more than happy with it. OS X rules and whoever tells you otherwise is more or less ignorant. Plus the fact that you can install any Linux PPC distro on a Mac and use the MacOnLinux virual machine to run MacOS from inside Linux. Anyway, good luck with whatever you decide to do (http://smile.gif)
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okay. a few things. firstly, in reply to X11, it sounds like you are saying that the three of us who responded are not being helpful. if you are saying that, then sorry, matey but all three of us gave sound advice.
now, to FKTheSoft:
do not be afraid of linux, but do read a lot about it first. do google searches for 'linux beginner' and so on, also you can dual boot, meaning you can still have your windows on your machine while you get used to linux.
i suggest you read this FAQ i wrote about a similar problem to yours. (http://www.belg88.com/faqman/index.php?op=view&t=66) Then go and read the UNIX section of the FAQ since i think a lot of your questions will be answered there.
re: running your current software in linux, the short answer is no. the long answer is yes, but it's a pain in the arse. windows programs are usually closed cource binaries, and so they cannot realistically be run on another system although several emulators do exist which can sometimes do this. Cheerfully you will find that there are replacement programs for most of your favourite software in linux, some of the programs you use are available for linux themselves (like macromedia's flash plugin and realplayer 8, just off the top of my head), and best of all, most of the products are free or incredibly cheap.
MS Office = $500, Openoffice = free, and unlike microsoft office, openoffice can use file formats from microsoft office, Sun's staroffice and several other non microsoft formats too.
Frontpage and dreamweaver = $a few hundred each, Mozilla composer, Openoffice, quanta plus, bluefish etc are all free, and do the same job more or less.
i could go on, but why? basically, read some stuff, and stop being frightened... or don't! your choice, but i'll leave you with this though. what use is a system that needs to be reinstalled simply because of a little hitch like this, that most likely wasn't your fault in the first place?
[ October 18, 2002: Message edited by: Calum ]
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And about the $1200. One day soon, you will not be able to run any of those pirated Microsoft software packages (see Palladium). However, you will find equal or better applications in Linux, free and legal.
As far as your Windows question I do know the answer but will not answer it on this site. Since Microsoft will not help you out (normal without a credit card) then you might try http://www.windowsbbs.com/ (http://www.windowsbbs.com/) where they probably won't be very helpful either. But they do try.
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You should be able to recover your Recycle Bin by using TweakUI.
You can get TweakUI at
http://www.microsoft.com/ntworkstation/downloads/PowerToys/Networking/NTTweakUI.asp (http://www.microsoft.com/ntworkstation/downloads/PowerToys/Networking/NTTweakUI.asp)
To recover your recycle bin just go to the desktop options in TweakUI and check the recycle bin icon(it will be unchecked right now).
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Get over the damn recycle bin! Do you realize what a n insult to your intelligence it is?
When I delete something, I want it deleted! If I made a mistake, too damn bad!!!!!!!!!!
The recycle bin does nothing but say that you are a retard, and maybe you don't know what you are doing so let's pretend like you got rid of something, and when you realize you are retarded, and actually needed what you thought you didn't need, you can make things all nice again!
I hate the trash can on the RH 8.0 desktop.
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Originally posted by RudeCat7:
Get over the damn recycle bin! Do you realize what a n insult to your intelligence it is?
When I delete something, I want it deleted! If I made a mistake, too damn bad!!!!!!!!!!
The recycle bin does nothing but say that you are a retard, and maybe you don't know what you are doing so let's pretend like you got rid of something, and when you realize you are retarded, and actually needed what you thought you didn't need, you can make things all nice again!
I hate the trash can on the RH 8.0 desktop.
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Didn't the Trash Can/Recycle Bin first appear in MacOS? So are you saying that MacOS has been treating it's users like retards for a long time? ;P
I never use my recycle bin because when I delete files I hold Shit and press Delete so I permanently delete them. I don't even have the recycle bin on my desktop, I keep it in My Computer where I never have to see it(done via some registry modifying..I'm good at correctly modifying my registry. ;P) but it is there if there is ever a time that I actually have to use it.
Isn't it nifty? ;P
(http://www.ticz.com/homes/users/waltw/rbin.jpg)
I think RC is just upset because somebody actually took thier time to help the guy with his problem.
[ October 18, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
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Originally posted by RudeCat7:
I hate the trash can on the RH 8.0 desktop.
So delete the "~/.gnome-desktop/Trash" file and the trashcan will be gone...
[ October 18, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]
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Zombie9920: Isn't it nifty? ;P
"Norton Protected Recycle Bin"?
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Originally posted by Refalm:
"Norton Protected Recycle Bin"?
Yeah, that is a feature of NAV2003. It protects everything including popular IM apps(MSN/Windows Messenger, Yahoo Messenger and AIM), E-Mail apps, Windows system files, the recycle bin, etc.
I guess it makes sure that you don't put viruses in your Recycle Bin(heck I don't know). ;P
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I don't care about the origins of it, it's retarded!
VM: Thx, but I use KDE, I will figure out how to remove it though.
I'm getting old, and tired, and cranky, I don't even feel like responding to windoid morons anymore. I just want to figure out this linux shit.
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Originally posted by RudeCat7:
I don't care about the origins of it, it's retarded!
VM: Thx, but I use KDE, I will figure out how to remove it though.
I'm getting old, and tired, and cranky, I don't even feel like responding to windoid morons anymore. I just want to figure out this linux shit.
You can probably delete the "~/Desktop/Trash" directory and you might have to edit the "~/Desktop/.directory" file and remove the Trash section.
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I hate that Norton bin. It saves everything!
I've got a wallpaper randomizer that deletes a temp file on C and replaces it with whatever new wallpaper it chooses, and so there's about 500 WallRandom.bmp in that Norton protected Bin. Drives me nuts.
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It's gone! Joy! :D
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Originally posted by fett101:
I hate that Norton bin. It saves everything!
I've got a wallpaper randomizer that deletes a temp file on C and replaces it with whatever new wallpaper it chooses, and so there's about 500 WallRandom.bmp in that Norton protected Bin. Drives me nuts.
Ahh, IC. It is like a undelete tool. I just looked at my Norton protected R-Bin files and it has a record of 2,834 files(most of them are temporary files that should be gone). I don't like that shit either...it looks like it is time to empty the Norton Protected files.
[ October 18, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
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Originally posted by RudeCat7:
It's gone! Joy! :D
Actually if you deleted it like I said, it will come back. I found it's built in to KDE. Click on Control Center, Look and Feel, Desktop, Paths tab. You will see where you can select the path for the KDE trash can which by default will be on your desktop. You can change the path to something other than your desktop and it will be gone for good (probably "/home/user/Trash" would be a good location).
[ October 18, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]
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Originally posted by Zombie9920:
You should be able to recover your Recycle Bin by using TweakUI.
You can get TweakUI at
http://www.microsoft.com/ntworkstation/downloads/PowerToys/Networking/NTTweakUI.asp (http://www.microsoft.com/ntworkstation/downloads/PowerToys/Networking/NTTweakUI.asp)
To recover your recycle bin just go to the desktop options in TweakUI and check the recycle bin icon(it will be unchecked right now).
he doesn't need to download some app just to fix his recycle bin problem, and honestly, that was a mean trick, telling him to get tweakUI. I installed it when i was more naive and i learned the hard way how much wrong registry editing that app does...
well no more. i use mandrake 9.0 now...
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Originally posted by Calum:
he doesn't need to download some app just to fix his recycle bin problem, and honestly, that was a mean trick, telling him to get tweakUI. I installed it when i was more naive and i learned the hard way how much wrong registry editing that app does...
well no more. i use mandrake 9.0 now...
Sadly, it is what he needs to recover his recycle bin. As long as he don't fuck with any other Windows settings in TweakUI he should be fine.
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Actually, I was really pissed, so I:
did a: rm -r /desktop/Trash.
and then I could delete it from my home desktop.
I already rebooted, and it's goooooone! :D
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Zombie8797 I thought the recycling bin was stupid too, not because it functions like apple's trash can, but because it is a Recycling bin! As in re-use.
Why the fuck are you dumping files you want deleted into a directory that says essentially it will put them back to use at a latter time? Thus, the trashcan is a better desktop metaphor :D
But I guess that's just personal opinon.
As for FkTheSoft: don't listen to the anti-Mac crowd. They usually don't have any long term experience with Mac's, or have only experienced older more unstable systems in the past. Just as a note, I can easely relate to Zombies4848 trials with the first gen iMac he once owned.
If you have the cash go for a Mac. They are stable, easy to use, and will never EVER give you any problems. They are based on the same rock-solid UNIX core that Linux is based on, meaning that you do not only benefit from having a top-end GUI with plenty of main-stream software like Photoshop among others, but you also gain access to a vast library of Free UNIX software, not to mention free Darwin software (the name used for the type of UNIX run under OS X)
OSX on a Mac is the best user experience there is. Someone once said on these forums, that Quality is long remembered after price. And the truth is Mac users don't upgrade their computers as often as PC users, I have seen more PC's in garbagebins than old Mac's. They are excellent, truely PERSONAL computers.
Oh ya, allways buy 3rd party RAM lest apple shafts you with that price ;)
(NOTE: PC's here refferes to Wintel boxes, all bets are off when it comes to Linux based comps.)
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well, you know as i said, linux has the bonus that A) you can dual boot it with you existing windows system and B) it's free.
Not slagging macs, but if you don't have the cash, then you know, you have to take that into consideration.
oh yes, and re: recycle bin, i wondered that too, but i decided it means you recycle the disk space once the stuff's been deleted.
[ October 18, 2002: Message edited by: Calum ]
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Originally posted by Calum:
Not slagging macs, but if you don't have the cash, then you know, you have to take that into consideration.
try www.smalldog.com (http://www.smalldog.com) they have some pretty competative pricing. Compare this to Dell and others, I think they have some pretty resonable prices. Especially in the refurbish section.
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Originally posted by Zombie9920:
Sadly, it is what he needs to recover his recycle bin. As long as he don't fuck with any other Windows settings in TweakUI he should be fine.
:D i just noticed this!
yes, that is pretty sad.
surely though there's somewhere in the control panel that will sort this out for you? i have on several ocassions tried to delete that fucking recycle bin, along with the shitty workgroups icon on my windows desktop and not been able to! (don't worry, i don't actually care how it's done, since i never usually use windows now anyway, thanks anyway! :D )
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Originally posted by RudeCat7:
Get over the damn recycle bin! Do you realize what a n insult to your intelligence it is?
When I delete something, I want it deleted! If I made a mistake, too damn bad!!!!!!!!!!
The recycle bin does nothing but say that you are a retard, and maybe you don't know what you are doing so let's pretend like you got rid of something, and when you realize you are retarded, and actually needed what you thought you didn't need, you can make things all nice again!
I hate the trash can on the RH 8.0 desktop.
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I hate the trash can too, because every single time I "delete" a file I must then right click on the trash can to delete it for real which wastes time. However, in Red Hat 8 there is a checkbox in nautilus' preferences that lets you bypass the recycle bin, so you can just right click on files and delete them for real. Just go to edit > preferences and it's under "Desktop and Trash."
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All you Linux heads are partially wasting your time. Here is why-
YOU CANNOT BEAT MICROSOFT
People will always use windows and there is no way that Linux or Apple or anyone is going to change that. I am not a dipshit either, I had my first Linux installed in 95 and I thought, this shit sucks. I had to right my own AT commands for my modem and initiallization strings and shit. It blew.
I know Linux is WAY better now, but it simply cannot compete. Here comes the exception....
The big BUT is that it is a solid server and really nice embedded OS, so the part where u are not wasting your time is that you can all become developers or admins...but don't be fooled you cannot change the windows desktop. It ain't going anywhere.
I gave up on fighting this shit about 4 years ago when 98 was coming out.
Now bring on the FLAMES!
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Originally posted by avid007:
YOU CANNOT BEAT MICROSOFT
So this sums you up then?
Go with whatever the herd would have you belive is the best? Don't even lift a finger to make things better?
Maybe Linux isn't there yet, but's it's rapidly getting there.
I think rational like yours belongs in strange cults and nazi pep rallies. I mean really.
Besides, you don't seem to have tried a linux or a Mac in recent years. I think an install of OSX will change your mind. But then come the enevitable Apple sux blah blah posts.
Use whatever you want. Ain't my problem, but just know that your justification is no justification at all.
BTW: I think you've spoild yourself for flames. You sound too inteligent, and folks who ask for 'em don't ever get 'em.
[ October 18, 2002: Message edited by: psyjax ]
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Some of us are using Linux after MANY years of using windows.
Use Linux for 8 years (as long as I have used windows) and then post your complaints.
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Originally posted by avid007:
YOU CANNOT BEAT MICROSOFT
Uh, I already have. My house is Microsoft free. My kids use OpenOffice for their homework, they use Mozilla or Konqueror to browse the web, they use Evolution to read their email. Not once have I heard a complaint.
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Originally posted by Calum:
:D i just noticed this!
yes, that is pretty sad.
surely though there's somewhere in the control panel that will sort this out for you? i have on several ocassions tried to delete that fucking recycle bin, along with the shitty workgroups icon on my windows desktop and not been able to! (don't worry, i don't actually care how it's done, since i never usually use windows now anyway, thanks anyway! :D )
You should be able to easily remove that workgroups icon the with TweakUI(same thing applies...only mess with the desktop icons in TweakUI and you'll be fine ;P).
Nope, nothing in the control panel lets you recover a deleted recycle bin or lets you delete some hard to get rid of desktop icons(like your workgroups icon). I had to use TweakUI to remove the fucking Outlook icon(Not Outlook Express, I'm talking about the Outlook in OfficeXP). Maybe Billy should include an icon manager in the CP of the upcoming Longhorn.
[ October 19, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
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why would they do that?
it's top quality advertising to put an icon on the default desktop, and it's priceless to make it stay there for good. now onto today's real airhead: quote:
Originally posted by avid007:
All you Linux heads are partially wasting your time. Here is why-
YOU CANNOT BEAT MICROSOFT
People will always use windows
i don't. ctually, i currently use it only when i need to burn a CD. this is incredibly fiddly and problematic in windows, and often requires a complete system reinstall to get it working, however as of yet cdrecord does not support my USB cdrw. that aside, many people don't use windows or microsoft products and you're just going to have to live with it. myself, i don't give a shit if you use windows or not, so unless you have something to say, i'd advise you to shut up. However, don't come running to me when you have a problem. In fact, if you do have a problem, quote:
and there is no way that Linux or Apple or anyone is going to change that. I am not a dipshit either, I had my first Linux installed in 95 and I thought, this shit sucks.
so you think that linux can't have improved much since 1995, do you? you really do seem to be a dipshit, sorry to break it to you. Linux (and other similar open source systems) has developed faster that any other system in that space of time, by a long shot. In 1995, KDE and GNOME were not even thought of. look at them today! they rival not only windows, but MacOS! quote:
I had to right my own AT commands for my modem and initiallization strings and shit. It blew.
well i don't have to do that now, so your complaints are, like everything else you have said, nothing but hot air.
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I know Linux is WAY better now, but it simply cannot compete. Here comes the exception....
aha! that was the escape clause was it? so now you can say "i said it was better now". Well, i like how you backed yourself up with arguments, surely it's a matter of opinion anyway. some people, like you, actually like shitty slow computer environments where you can't do stuff the way you want to because you are forced to use those brainless wizards for everything. Honestly, some people love that because it stops them having to THINK, which is scary to them since then they might have to have an OPINION of their OWN.
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The big BUT is that it is a solid server and really nice embedded OS, so the part where u are not wasting your time is that you can all become developers or admins...but don't be fooled you cannot change the windows desktop. It ain't going anywhere.
we will see, however you know it seems that after your bold comment at the start there, i am not wasting my time after all, since i am incredibly interested in systems and system admin. thanks for your support in this matter, it means a lot since i really care what you think. As i said somewhere else, you seem intelligent, but your comments seem like nothing but recycled garbage to me.
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I gave up on fighting this shit about 4 years ago when 98 was coming out.
well good for you, if you see it as a fight, one on one, this or that, no compromises, then i feel a little sorry for you, myself i see it as a preservation of choice. I will always be against monopolistic behaviour in any form.
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Now bring on the FLAMES!
let's not, hmm? i think you want to be flamed so you can just confirm in your own little mind about how closed minded we all are, and feel self righteous that you are justified in your own closed minded opinion.
Well tough. if you want to see these comments of mine as flames then go ahead, but they are simple responses to the comments you have made, which i think are a little too vacuous to take that seriously.
seeya on the forums! :D
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from http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/article05-001 (http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/article05-001)
Getting Rid of the Network Neighborhood/My Network Places Icon
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also
http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/article05-013 (http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/article05-013)
Get Rid of the Recycle Bin
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I don't think that is what you need to help you undo the process, though. Poke around the site some... you might get lucky. Good luck.
-t.
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Originally posted by beltorak0:
from http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/article05-001 (http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/article05-001)
Getting Rid of the Network Neighborhood/My Network Places Icon
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also
http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/article05-013 (http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/article05-013)
Get Rid of the Recycle Bin
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I don't think that is what you need to help you undo the process, though. Poke around the site some... you might get lucky. Good luck.
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You mean to tell me that I spent 20 minutes finding the key for the recycle bin to move to My Computer while someone else already has the registry key available to download? Oh well, I still like doing shit myself. (http://smile.gif)
I wonder if that reg key on the page you linked to removes the recycle bin from the desktop and moves it to My computer because even after I manually moved my bin key in the registry(to get Recycle Bin in My Computer) I had to use TweakUI for XP to remove the bin from the desktop because the fucker was still there(It was in MY Computer and on the Desktop). If it wasn't for the Recycle Bin icon and the Outlook icon I would've never even bothered with TweakUI.
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Originally posted by Ex Eleven / b0b:
I like a trashcan but the Nautillus one never helps because i always use the shell (rm). So you have Red-Hat 8.0 what do you think XP User? I just ordered it so it will be in the mail in 3 days or so.
he already posted his comments in the linux forum in the redhat8.0 thread. He thinx it is good.
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Thanks a lot to all fo your for your comments and feedback. Specially to Zombie9920 for the TweakUI advice. I got that fucking Rec bin back to the desktop in the computer from office so the D"
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Today idiots say:
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Originally posted by avid007:
YOU CANNOT BEAT MICROSOFT
10 years ago the idots said:
YOU CANNOT BEAT IBM
20 years ago the idiots said:
YOU CANNOT BEAT AT&T
Linux is open source. It dosn't survive only by profits. No matter what else happens to the industry, since it is community supported, its not going away. As long as there are people willing to work on it, it will continue. There's no way to attack it. It is self sufficient, and always evolving. There's nothing you, Bill Gates, Frizt Hollings, Hillary Rosen, or Windows Looser 3487258732498 can do about it.
YOU CANNOT BEAT LINUX
V
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Originally posted by FktheSoft:
I will change the OS to Linux soon till I can afford getting a MAC.
Never know, you might want to stay with Linux. IMHO it beats Mac.
V