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All Things Microsoft => Microsoft Software => Topic started by: Scorcher2005 on 9 May 2002, 06:36
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is the raw write that comes withh ALL boot disks used to unzip the zipped files and move them to floppy or just to unzip them or just to move them to floppy. plz explain how i do this, i am a bit(a lot) of a newb to boot disks.
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rawrite does not unzip a floppy image. If the image is zipped or compressed in any other way it will first need to be unzipped. The file that you will rawrite to disk should be exactly the same size as a floppy disk (1.44MB). This is because a floppy image is a straight sector by sector image of a floppy disk. rawrite just copies those sectors back to disk from the image file. rawrite does the same thing as "dd if=floppy.img of=/dev/fd0" under UNIX.
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Rawrite is used to prepare file images and write them to a diskette in a form that can be moved directly into memory with no intervening soft to intrepret the data. Just select the image you need from either the CD or download it off the 'Net. The program is necessary only if you have just Winders. If you also have Linux, then just use dd to prepare your bootable diskettes.
Of course, this assumes that you have a system that can't boot up directly from the CD itself. The vast majority of newer systems can boot directly from a CD, whereas some older systems couldn't. (I had a Dell OptiPlex GSa, circa 1996, that couldn't boot from CDs, thus I had to use rawrite to prepare bootable diskettes to do a Mandrake install) Newer systems probably won't require it at all.
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so rawwrite just moves the unzipped file to floppy? thats what i thought at 1st. it asks for file name so i put it in and it said no such file or directory. i have tried it with just the file name and the whole directory path and neither work, it just says no such file or directory. what do i do?
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If I remember right rawrite is a little flaky. Probably the sure fire way of making it work is to create a directory on your C: drive, then copy your disk images and rawrite.exe into that directory. Change into that directory and type "rawrite". It should ask you for the drive letter of your floppy where you just put in "A" or "B" depending on what drive letter your floppy is. Then type in the full filename of the image you want to write "boot.bin" for instance, followed by <ENTER>.
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And if you have trouble with the DOS version here's a Windows version:
http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/rawwrite.htm (http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/rawwrite.htm)
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so, what about if somebody had, say, a floppy image of size 1.44 Mb called something.bin and it's a one floppy distro of an operating system, and they wanted instead of putting it on a floppy (for booting off of) to put the bootable image on a CD or a hard drive partition?
this isn't a rawrite question, i know, but just interested in how to do this, and it is related... could one just create the bootable floppy, then copy the files?
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If you wanted the bootable image of a floppy on a hard drive partition you could create a small partition and "dd" it to that partition just like you would to the floppy. Say you create a 2MB /dev/hda2. You would "dd if=floppy.img of=/dev/hda2" which you could then set partition 2 active and boot it just as if you were booting from floppy. Now if you just want to copy the files from the image you can either dd the image to floppy, mount it and copy the files, or just mount the image file itself:
mount floppy.img /mnt -o loop
Then "cd /mnt" and there's your floppy filesystem.
And if you wanted it to be a bootable 1.44MB CD (what a waste of space) just use "cdrecord" or "xcdroast" just like you would with any *.ISO image. I believe that would work, haven't actually tried it. It wouldn't be an iso9660 file system so it may not work. But I do know for sure that the hard drive trick will work because I've done it on a system that I only had a network card on and no floppy or CD (and an already running Linux partition where I downloaded the bootnet disk image and wrote it to a spare partition, then booted from that partition and did a network upgrade/install).
[ May 09, 2002: Message edited by: VoidMain ]
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x11, that sounds fab! does it run directly off the CD with no need to install? if so, can i get a copy? ;)
thanks a lot for that VoidMain, i never would have expected it to be so simple! cdrecord doesn't support my USB CDwriter though, but that's not what i want really, i just want to put PicoBSD on my hard drive. I also have Trinux which i want to put there, it's in 3 different floppy.img type files, and comes with a DOS .bat file to write them to floppy, now that i know about dd though, i will go and have a shot.
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Thanks for that Windows version of Rawwrite Voidmain. It worked! Now i cant seem to get the bootdisk to work!!!
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Alex, what boot disk is it that you are trying to get to work? And what exactly are you trying to do that isn't working?
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i am trying to use the boot disk from the folling site:
http://home.eunet.no/~pnordahl/ntpasswd/bootdisk.html (http://home.eunet.no/~pnordahl/ntpasswd/bootdisk.html)
when it starts up it says boot:
and i press enter
it then asks to probe for scsi drivers i i type y and hit enter
it then goes and detects all the scsi drivers and asks which password i want to change. It already says administrator by default so i press enter
it then asks what to change the password to. I type a password and press enter.
it then says the encrypted code for the password and asks to change more passwords or press ! to quit
i then press ! and it says write back shell y/n
i have tried doing y and n
after typing either y or n it says some info like "now restart comp after removing floppy by pressing ctrl + alt + del, but that doesnt work so i just turn off the comp with the button.
so do you see any flaws in my execution of this disk. If you have WinNT and test it out it would be GREATLY appreciated!! If it works for you just reply with EXACTLY what you did in "noob" language.
thanks,
-Alex
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I already told you that I tried the same boot disk and it worked for me on Win2000 Pro with NTFS. I did the same thing you did except I don't remember having to press '!', doesn't mean it's not there. Do you actually have a SCSI drive or an IDE drive? I have IDE so I pressed "n" to not probe for SCSI devices.
And is your machine a member of a domain or is it a stand-alone computer? Remember, this only changes the LOCAL Administrator password. So make sure you have the local computer's name in the DOMAIN box when you try and log in with the new password. It will not change the domain wide Administrator password unless of course you are running the disk on the PDC (Primary Domain Controller).
[ May 11, 2002: Message edited by: VoidMain ]
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Originally posted by VoidMain:
Do you actually have a SCSI drive or an IDE drive? I have IDE so I pressed "n" to not probe for SCSI devices.
[ May 11, 2002: Message edited by: VoidMain ]
What is a SCSI drive or an IDE drive.
And also, the computer is on a domain(LAN). So what can I do to change the domain administrator password?
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If you don't know what SCSI and IDE are than you probably have IDE disk drives. Answer "no" to the load SCSI drivers. And being on a LAN does not mean your machine is part of a DOMAIN. The only way to change the DOMAIN Administrator password using that disk would be to change it on the computer acting as the Primary Domain controller (that would be the one in your computer room that you do not have access to, and more than likely *does* have SCSI drives).
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well when it searchers for SCSI drivers on the LOCAL machine, it detects some(actually a lot). But thats not what im concerned with. I just need to get the password changed. So you say that there is NO WAY to do it without physical access to the machine?
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Not unless you know the password for another ID in the "Domain Admins" group. If you do, log on as that privelaged user and then "usrmgr \\PDCMACHINE" and change the password for Administrator on the Domain.
Or if your administrators are stupid enough to actually log on with the DOMAIN "Administrator" ID you could always sniff it and crack it. Of course sniffing and cracking any one of the users who are members of "Domain Admins" would be just as good.
Sounds like you're up to no good if you ask me...
[ May 12, 2002: Message edited by: VoidMain ]
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how would i have to sniff and crack it?
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Search google. I'm not going to tell you how to hack your domain... Maybe you should try something productive to do. Learning Linux would be an excellent example. You seem interested in computers and learning Linux is by far the best way to learn more about computers.
[ May 11, 2002: Message edited by: VoidMain ]
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well i mean would i have to sniff and crack it at the same computer they logged on at?
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No, you sniff the network. But if you are on a switched network then your likely not going to be able to sniff them out. That's it. I'm done. Google it from here.
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what is a switched network?
also, if teachers can look at your student folder(the one no other student can access(its on the network))does that likly point that they are an admin?
[ May 11, 2002: Message edited by: Alex ]
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Dude, I said that was it. http://www.google.com/ (http://www.google.com/)
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can u plz just tell me what a switched network is then?
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Dude, go to google and type what you just typed and you will have your answer. Someone please close this thread.
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quote:
Originally posted by VoidMain:
Dude, go to google and type what you just typed and you will have your answer. Someone please close this thread.
HAHAHA!! I think it's even funnyer how his last cuple of post's made his malicious intentions quite clear. Sounds like a script-kiddie Troll, trying to learn from the Big Kids.
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quote:
Originally posted by psyjax:
HAHAHA!! I think it's even funnyer how his last cuple of post's made his malicious intentions quite clear. Sounds like a script-kiddie Troll, trying to learn from the Big Kids.
well no, my intents are not malicious. Also, i really dont care what people think.
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Originally posted by Alex:
well no, my intents are not malicious. Also, i really dont care what people think.
So, what are you up to then? I must say, it is quite intrigueing.
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well at school the admins have locked out just about everything. This includes connecting to your OWN ISP server through M$ outlook, some disabled internet sites(i made my own site a long time ago and i couldnt even access from the school computer to show some1 becuz it said it had Porn on it and it DIDNT!)and some disabled toolz which would help me get my work done in VB class.
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And there are VERY good reasons for locking that stuff out in schools. To tell you the truth, if they didn't I would home school my kids. And if you hack your school's computers be ready for a little time behind bars. I'll be the first to turn you in.
The school's computers are not *your* computers. You do your personal stuff when you get home if your parents choose to allow it. The taxpayers (me) paid for those computers and speaking for myself, I prefer that they only be used for educational purposes. There *should* be porn filters on them. You should *not* be able to access your personal mail, ICQ, AIM, etc.
[ May 12, 2002: Message edited by: VoidMain ]
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i tend to agree, think of the damage people could do if everybody had free reign on public systems like schools!
while you may not like it, it is sensible, and also fair.
I reckon that if you are in your own time and can get supervision then fine, to show people yr site et c, but otherwise it is too dodgy.
PS this is my first post using lynx! also, i am telnetting into my shell account and using their lynx, so it's a double whammy first for me! (still not got my crappy modem to work though, so using windows :( )
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Calum, you should use "ssh" rather than "telnet" if at all possible. ssh is encrypted and is much more functional (awesome is more like it, especially if you use it for port forwarding etc). If you have to access your machine from a Win* machine go to http://www.openssh.org (http://www.openssh.org) where you will find lots of ssh and scp clients (I like "putty", "pscp" etc, although I find it rare anymore that I have to use the Win* versions as I run Linux nearly exclusively at work and at home).
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I love ssh :D
I discoverd it when one of my annoying friends was pestering me to teach him some of the commands you could give to the Darwin consol. He wanted to try an PING one of his friends offline on another computer (ya he's childish like that) and while looking for remote commands, I discoverd ssh.
Now all my friends have accounts on my computer, and I on theirs. I keep a Terminal window open so they can "write" me and I can monitor their activity.
It's great stuff that ssh
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Another nice thing about ssh is it will automatically forward your X11 ports (if you have it configured to do so). What this means is if you "ssh" into a remote machine you can run X apps and display them on your local X server, even through a firewall.
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well when the teacher is not available i have to get on AIM or EMAIL to ask questions but i cant, as i do at home.
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No, you don't have to get on AIM or Email when the teacher is not around.
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Originally posted by Alex:
well when the teacher is not available i have to get on AIM or EMAIL to ask questions but i cant, as i do at home.
Look dude, stop trying to pull a fast one.
If you wanna hack the computer out of curiosity, or out of malice, just admit it. The point is, these forums arent for that kind of info.
X11 is constantly tossing out hacker links and stuff, why don't you track some of those down and persue your interests elsewere.
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I know someone who managed to create an admin account in Win 2000 on a computer at my school, and when they found out, THEY WERE PISSED. DO NOT, I repeat, DO NOT FUCK WITH SCHOOL COMPUTERS! They had the 4 officers in the school come down and if the culprit would be found, he'd be suspended for about a week.
It's just not worth it.
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people will do what they do, the only real law is "don't get caught". people learn ethics as they get older, meaning that when we are at school, we usually have less ethics than when we are older. This does not apply across the board, example, X11 seems much more responsible than some who have posted here, most recently whiteboy, who is eleven years' X11's senior, but is sorely lacking in graciousness and consideration. There are in fact tons of older people with no ethics at all. that's not my point, my point is that you can do what you like, but if you do things that are illegal or immoral and so on, then you will probably (and you should) get caught and have to face the consequences. This in itself will probably affect your social development, but the important thing is that if you do something you might get caught at, you have to be prepared to get caught.
Too many people these days do stuff, get caught, and are really bitter about it, because they think it's their right to break the law, sometimes it is, or should be, but often they are just infringing on someone else's rights and that is not fair. Don't fall into the trap of getting caught, and then resenting it. I think that the start of good ethics is to take responsibility for your actions.
on another note, i do actually use puttytel to connect to my shell account, it is the bollocks when compared with telnet, which i think i have only used once, on my flatmate's win98 machine. I was only using the word 'telnet' as a generic verb rather than to describe the program i was using (at the risk of sounding pedantic!). Thanks for the advice though, as always much appreciated.
I don't think i want to be able to use an X session though, as i am at a point now where i am trying to gain a thorough grounding in the amazing 32bit command line and a GUI would just distract me.
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Originally posted by VoidMain:
No, you don't have to get on AIM or Email when the teacher is not around.
ummmm......ya i do, there are a lot of kids in the class and he cant constantly be helping me, therefor i need to get on aim, email, etc but i cant like i do at home for help.
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THINK ABOUT IT!!! how could you possibly expect a school to give all the students unrestricted use of the network and internet facilities? you do not need access to webpages and email at school. what you need is a better schooling system. this is indicative of modern society at its core. instead of improving services, we whine off to look at webpages, and lose ourselves in the electronic world. still, not long before the bomb goes off, or we run out of land and air, eh? :D
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Originally posted by Alex:
ummmm......ya i do, there are a lot of kids in the class and he cant constantly be helping me, therefor i need to get on aim, email, etc but i cant like i do at home for help.
Ummmmmmm, no you don't. Are you that stupid? What has the school system come to these days? My kids get along just fine without AIM or Email, or being able to browse anywhere they choose. In fact they have not received anything less than an 'A' in any class ever. My daughter has straight A+'s going this entire year (for the classes that give A+'s). When I went to school there was no internet. I turned out ok (well, there would be some that would argue that point). Don't be such a cry baby.
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well it would be nice to expand my knowledge of VB at school by talking to others.
FYI - i also have all A's
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Originally posted by Alex:
well it would be nice to expand my knowledge of VB at school by talking to others.
VB sux ass. Learn C\C++, you can do more with it than just wright trojans and e-mail bombs.
'nuf said
[ May 13, 2002: Message edited by: psyjax ]
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You do not need AIM or Email to expand your knowlege of VB. This isn't intended as a slam but I don't see how you could be getting all A's when you seem to have such a hard time following instructions.
Rather than being so dependent on everyone else to answer your questions, you need to learn how to research for yourself. You will learn a lot more that way and it will "sink in". The best advice I ever got was "RTFM". When I first started in computers I did much like you are now. Asking questions of people that knew the answers until they finally got so fed up with my questions they refused to answer any more. They instead told me what manual I could find the answer in.
I was a little annoyed at first but like I said, it was the best advice I could have received. When I found the answers myself, I realized that I learned much more, and that with each question I found the answer to the amount of time it took to find the answers grew smaller. I will again give you the best advice you can get one final time: http://www.google.com (http://www.google.com)
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well I am sorry that I cant afford Visual Studio for C++ and there are no classes at my high school fo C/C++.
And VoidMain when some1 asks for advice at least I can give better than "format c:"
[ May 13, 2002: Message edited by: Alex ]
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And they obviously haven't taught you how to read either. Exactly who said anything about Visual Studio or C/C++? You asked about VB. I told you the answer can be found by searching google. And you "still" have not understood that you don't need AIM, or email, or even classes to learn anything. A good search of http://www.google.com (http://www.google.com) will find the answer to any of your questions. But since you brought it up, you don't have to *pay* for C/C++, it comes free with any Linux based operating system (which also can be legally had for free).
But Linux is probably too much for you, you have to be able to read to understand how to install and use it. Even so, the "same" C/C++ can be had for Windows/DOS (also for free). Search http://www.google.com (http://www.google.com) for GNU C/C++. Then search http://www.google.com (http://www.google.com) for tutorials on C/C++ and when you learn it you will likely know more than anyone that has taken classes in C/C++. GNU C/C++ is *far* more widely used than the C/C++ included with M$ Visual Studio.
Now, about you whining about being told how to "FORMAT C:" (in VB mind you), if you would have listened in your English classes you would have been able to read the name of this web site and known that it is an ANTI-MICROSOFT site and *not* a Microsoft support site. And that you would be taking your chances on getting useful answers to Microsoft based questions.
I certainly hope you are not accessing this site from your school because it would take me 2 seconds to trace your IP address to a particular school and call up the superintendent relaying the fact that he has a student accessing this particular site that I am *sure* he would not be happy with. He could then search the school's firewall logs, which obviously exist since they are filtering porn sites, which could be tracked down to an exact computer at your school along with the exact time it was accessed. It wouldn't be too hard to figure out who was sitting at that computer at any particular time and put some serious dents in that "A" report card. And that is only if he doesn't find out (and he will) that the reason you were on this site is to find out how to hack the school systems. You'll be *very* lucky if you don't end up in front of a juvenile court.
If you would spend less time on AIM and email maybe you would already have a Linux machine set up at home and already have learned C/C++ and already have made KDE so good that M$ goes out of business, and maybe you could have turned it into a pretty good business. But I suspect I will have to put my hope in other students who aren't looking for an "easy way" through life and are willing to play by the rules.
I can picture what your life will be like when you get out of school. You'll be the one that thinks they can cheat their way out of paying taxes. You might be successful for a few years. One day it will catch up with you and you'll be doing hard time rather than juvenile court. Maybe it would be good for you to do a little time now while you are still a minor and they'll go easy on you.
Have a nice day...
[ May 14, 2002: Message edited by: VoidMain ]
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psyjax said stuff about c/c++ :
VB sux ass. Learn C\C++, you can do more with it than just wright trojans and e-mail bombs.
'nuf said
and no, they cannot find out it was me at that computer at a certain time because who said i use my id? and if they knew what computer it was and not my id they still cant do anything because we dont have assigned seats so the teacher doesnt know what seats we sit in.
but if you still think you can trace it and call them GO AHEAD!.
and FYI - the asst. superintendent is a good friend of mines dad.
and besides, they cant do anything to us for obtaining knowledge of hacking. They can only punish us for the act of hacking.
anyhthing else smart guy?
[ May 14, 2002: Message edited by: Alex ]
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I don't know why I continue with this... No one in "this" thread mentioned C/C++. And does your Dad and your superintendent *know* that you visit http://www.fuckmicrosoft.com (http://www.fuckmicrosoft.com) from your school computer? If they do, and are not concerned about it, then I wonder how long the superintendent and your dad will be friends after the superintendent loses his job over *your* internet practices? And if you don't believe you can be tracked down you are sorely mistaken. You would be surprised how easy it is. It is something I do as part of my job, and I am pretty good at it. Ever hear of the hacker kid in Canada that went by the handle of "Mafiaboy"? I could go into *great* detail on how he got caught from personal experience. See http://www.cnn.com/2000/TECH/computing/04/19/dos.charges/ (http://www.cnn.com/2000/TECH/computing/04/19/dos.charges/)
Again, you can choose to close your mouth and take some of the good advice I have given you or you can choose to continue to be an M$ programmed robot that has to be led by the hand everywhere he goes, and can't think for himself. It's your choice.
[ May 14, 2002: Message edited by: VoidMain ]
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Hey Void. I did say he should learn C\C++ a few posts up :D
Sorry, but I did. And he should be learning a more productive language if you ask me.
Alex, like Void said there are plenty of free compilers. Give one a go!
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Oops, sorry about the C/C++ thing there Alex after psyjax's post. I'll give you that one. Maybe *I* should have listened in English class. Kinda blows my whole parade. But I have age for an excuse. The older you get you're allowed to vapor lock every once in a while.
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i don't think it blows it at all. i have nothing against alex personally, but i think his stubbornness and defiance of listening to well meaning advice (and Alex, the advice you have got so far is well meaning, even if it seems like we are berating you, which we aren't) is something that, as Voidmain says, will only stand him in bad stead in his next phase in life.
Learning for yourself is much better than being at school, school is there to provide the resources (eg the time, equipment et c) to learn for yourself, and ultimately to provide you with a certificate to say you learnt it all well at the end of it.
I know, Alex, that you will say that chat and email are resources you need and that your school is depriving you, but i suspect that other resources are provided to you, if you take a bit of initiative, that suffice instead. The slight increase in resources that would be gained by allowing students unrestricted network access is not worth the price the school would pay in security.
Also, in my experience, those services usually distract from the business of doing whatever i am trying to do anyway.
Also again, the very fact that you get As all the time kind of suggests that you do not need any more resources at your disposal than you currently have.
Now, i reckon your attitude is such that you must ask every little question that pops into your head, and i suppose you reckon that is a good way to get answers, but you will waste your life asking questions when that time could have been spent finding the answers out for yourself. As voidmain says, if you do your own learning and research, the info you get will be that bot more relevant, and it will sink in a dozen times better than if you just get told stuff. It also enhances your ability to take the initiative and think laterally, which will be a great advantage whatever you do.
Again, no offence, but do do things the right way. Voidmain, from what i gather has always done things legally, and has done a lot of interesting and fulfilling things so far, and also seems to have become self employed and quite comfortable from what i gather. He also does not seem to blow his own trumpet or boast, and seems quite well adjusted and happy, all this just from his posts! well, you know what i mean, i have never met voidmain and i don't know if any of that is true, but that's how he comes across.
The point of me saying this is, he turned out alright, and he advocates actively finding things out for yourself and behaving legally. put two and two together.
Do you have a machine at home? do you have the ability to install gnu/linux on it? (ie, do you own the machine yrself or does somebody else want only windows on it, is there room on the drive for another OS if so, are you confident you can dual boot without wiping out anybody's data et c?) if so, i suggest you get linux at home, asap. this will enable you to program in a number of languages for free, and it will give you a grounding in a lot of stuff that you simply don't get with another popular operating system, i mean in terms of what goes on under the hood.
Basically, Alex, get linux, you will learn a lot, and i suggest you learn actively rather than passively. and no hard feelings intended.