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All Things Microsoft => Microsoft Software => Topic started by: mc0282 on 27 July 2003, 10:36
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i been asking my self since i heard about the tcpa,dmca,drm,etc.. ok when windows longhorn is release and i know some hacker,cracker is going to unleash some worm and prove the microsoft windows is never going to be secure, is people going to wake the fuck up and say "enough of this shit,
i am going to find something better"
or people going to stay close minded with there heads up there asses keep using windows?, people complaint when the dvd player doesn't want to work people complaint when AC is not cooling the room, why people don't complaint microsoft want to take your privacy? come on tell me how many people in this country against it ?
i be honest if i had cold heart i would create a fucking bomb and told the people at microsoft get out, and i would blow up microsoft headquater into piece to prove a fucking point, i am sick of there shit .
sorry for the long paragraph i want to see if other people feel the same way or just want to stay here complaint and not do shit about it.
i sick of complaining i want to fucking do something about it.
[ July 27, 2003: Message edited by: mc0282 ]
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Ms users are Ms users becuase of the type of person they are, most of them won't change to a different OS because of DRM, they'll think it's fine. That's just the way they are.
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Frogs in pots. Unless its a solid, hard shock (like an MS crash fucking over my entire goddamn "Windows approved" HDD partitions) people wont change.
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i told a customer of mine, i am not responsible for whatever headache window gives you complaint to microsoft , and he ask me " why people hate windows ? i mean i like it and is simple to use" <-- this comment boil inside of me because this dumbass want "simple" just fucking buy a MAC and less worrying how many time you had to reboot or format the hard drive, Apple Computer can't get any easier than already is.
let me ask yah a question don't yah worry when yah go somewhere and they ask you personal stuff like social security ,address,etc.. and you know they're using windows to sumbit your personal and windows has alot flaws,bug,etc? shit sometime i don't give up my infomation to them because i tell them are you using windows and they say yes, i tell them well i am sorry but i won't finish this because i don't trust microsoft and i hate them. yah could call me crazy but this my way spreading the word and you should see them when they try to define SERCURE to me! ha ha people are fallen into microsoft spell
[ July 27, 2003: Message edited by: mc0282 ]
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Microsoft users are microsoft users because it's what they are used to and have grown up with and/or used at work. After using them so long, regardless of crashes, people grow to accept them and like them. Linux scares people for whatever reason (play around with knoppix, there's nothing to be afraid of).
Microsoft is good at scaring people, and Longhorn is a GREAT example. They are really getting it a lot of attention, saying it's going to be this great thing and nothing else will come close to it. Graphic-wise at first, unsure. Microsoft seems to have some pretty "neat" crap to work with. (rotating window demos, all sorts of fancy special effects to drool over, not that any will make it into Longhorn though, they are just demos). The hardware built-in security is a good idea, as it could be used to give each individual a unique id through some algorithim or other crap. Of course you can see the negative to this, but.. hmm actually that seems to invade on peoples rights, but w/e. And lets not forget another thing, besides the new hardware, its STILL windows and unless Microsoft is about to prove they can make an extremely secure, hard to crash, fast and open operating system (to some degree), it's still going to be like every other Windows that has come out (recently, they do seem to be getting better at Windows). I will be watching Microsoft and the Linux Community closely in 2005. I hate to be negative, but I feel Windows is going to run short of it's expectations in the long run.
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Most Windows users are Windows users because they don't give damned. They don't know what a BIOS is. They don't think twice about thier computers. They just do what they always do.
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Here are some suggestions as to why people stick with Microsoft products.
1.) They don't care about computers, efficiency, value, or quality.
2.) They probably use it at work and it was what they had to learn to do their job because Microsoft has a marketing bully syndrome and ate up the PC market.
3.) If they didn't learn it at work, they bought it in a home PC because that is what the store was selling and because of that marketing Microsoft is the most POPULAR among the general POPULACE.
4.) When you are spending $1000 or more of hard earned cash you want to spend it safely, and their is safety in numbers. The numbers favor Microsoft, once again the marketing.
5.) If someone has already learned a Microsoft system, chances are that they will not want to change, its natural to stay with what you know and resist change.
6.) Did I mention that these people probably don't care about computers, efficiency, value, or quality. I'll also add reliability as the REBOOT Fix isn't a real solution.
7.) The most probable reason is that they DON'T CARE ABOUT COMPUTERS.
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Originally posted by Fett101:
Most Windows users are Windows users because they don't give damned. They don't know what a BIOS is. They don't think twice about thier computers. They just do what they always do.
I don't know what BIOS is....
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Boot Initiated Operating System. Because comp design is crap and non standardized and stuck in the past etecetera, the comp loads a very small OS from firmware, then passes control to that. Then the BIOS starts the Real OS. Or Windows, whatever the case may be.
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Originally posted by The Stiller:
I don't know what BIOS is....
Well you use a Mac. that explains it
;)
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Originally posted by Faust:
Boot Initiated Operating System. Because comp design is crap and non standardized and stuck in the past etecetera, the comp loads a very small OS from firmware, then passes control to that. Then the BIOS starts the Real OS. Or Windows, whatever the case may be.
Actually, I think it is Basic Input Output System.
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I knew that... Really!
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Ok, so I'm a typical computer user? Someone who doesnt have time to learn the ins and outs of computers because he has lots of shit to do offline? That somehow makes me a bad person?
People are turning hardcore here, and when that happens a group splinters becoming factions.
Normally I dont argue here, or post. This is one of the reasons.
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Originally posted by Aaron-V4.0:
Ok, so I'm a typical computer user? Someone who doesnt have time to learn the ins and outs of computers because he has lots of shit to do offline? That somehow makes me a bad person?
Well, if you are actually reading the posts here, I wouldn't consider you closed minded, unless you were a troll - and I don't see that.
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Ok, so I'm a typical computer user? Someone who doesnt have time to learn the ins and outs of computers because he has lots of shit to do offline? That somehow makes me a bad person?
If you want to use Windows then fine. Thats *your*choice*. This is like if I were to see you driving a Lada Niva down the road while I am in my Ferrari. Well, yes, it's your choice to use a shit box car. I'm sure you have things you do other than driving. I'm sure you dont want to take the advanced driving classes that would be needed to properly drive a sportscar. But at the end of the day I would prefer a Ferrari to a Lada Niva. Seems you're happy with the Lada. :D
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And no, youre not close minded or a bad person IMO as you are not pushing anyone else to use Lada's against their will / free judgement.
[ August 17, 2003: Message edited by: Faust ]
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Ok Faust, I'm glad to see I'm not on your bad side. I'd love to be able to have a Linux comp and know how to work it to a Tee but for now I'll work with what I have. I will sooner or later changeover.
I fully support the cause of this website, there's no doubt about it.
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You guys really have to stop with the whole thing of "oh it's insecure". I'll put the security of my computer against your computer any day of the week.
About MS not patching stuff as fast as Linux, that's only a bit true. Look at the speeds for patching.
http://web.archive.org/web/20010608142954/http://securityportal.com/cover/coverstory20000117.html (http://web.archive.org/web/20010608142954/http://securityportal.com/cover/coverstory20000117.html)
Linux is only 2 million lines of code while Windows is over 20 million. We should expect Windows to have 10x as many errors that year right? Well according to that test, they only had double. Wouldn't that mean Linux has more bugs per line of code than Windows does?
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Originally posted by Fett101:
Most Windows users are Windows users because they don't give damned. They don't know what a BIOS is. They don't think twice about thier computers. They just do what they always do.
That's right they don't care, and why should they care ? We use complex appliances everyday without knowing how they work or are configured.
The problem with the PC is not the operating system, it is the nature of the appliance itself. The home consumer needs a device that works like the TV. Sitting on their fat ass using a remote control to do a few simple things. Play a movie/CD send/receive e-mail browse the internet for porn mostly. The PC is too complex an appliance for this. Someone who goes to COmp-USA and spends $2,500 dollars on a computer to perform these functions is out of their fucking mind. The lat thing I want to do when I want to play a CD is use a PC. People are caught up in the gadgetry of it all. Once people can browse the intrenet via their TV, the home consumer will be happy.
People are just too dumb for PCs. Ask anyone that has manned the phones at a helpdesk. It's not even difficult stuff, my 4 year old is more PC savvy than some of the fuckwits we issue laptops to.
It's been a bad fucking day, Microsoft are a fucking liability :mad:
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Originally posted by ShawnD1:
You guys really have to stop with the whole thing of "oh it's insecure". I'll put the security of my computer against your computer any day of the week.
About MS not patching stuff as fast as Linux, that's only a bit true. Look at the speeds for patching.
http://web.archive.org/web/20010608142954/http://securityportal.com/cover/coverstory20000117.html (http://web.archive.org/web/20010608142954/http://securityportal.com/cover/coverstory20000117.html)
Linux is only 5 million (Laukev we stand corrected) lines of code while Windows is over 20 million. We should expect Windows to have 10x as many errors that year right? Well according to that test, they only had double. Wouldn't that mean Linux has more bugs per line of code than Windows does?
Hmmmm, 15 million of which shouldn't be there. M$ is proud owner of 83% of the worms, virii and bugs out there. Insecurity is just the manifestation of a third rate product that by all rights probably wouldn't be sold if it were any other industry.
I'm afraid the number of bugs isn't really the issue, it's the quality of work that counts, even patches that are released are crafted to same standards. M$ of course thinks it's exempt from standards.
The devil is in the detail.
Also having 20 million lines of code is nothing to be proud.
[ August 20, 2003: Message edited by: Zardoz ]
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Originally posted by ShawnD1:
You guys really have to stop with the whole thing of "oh it's insecure". I'll put the security of my computer against your computer any day of the week.
About MS not patching stuff as fast as Linux, that's only a bit true. Look at the speeds for patching.
http://web.archive.org/web/20010608142954/http://securityportal.com/cover/coverstory20000117.html (http://web.archive.org/web/20010608142954/http://securityportal.com/cover/coverstory20000117.html)
Linux is only 2 million lines of code while Windows is over 20 million. We should expect Windows to have 10x as many errors that year right? Well according to that test, they only had double. Wouldn't that mean Linux has more bugs per line of code than Windows does?
Erm, no. First, that's 5 million lines of code. Second, you are comparing the Linux kernel with the whole Windows system, which includes drivers, .net, Explorer and the user interface. Linux is just a small part of OS, and doesn't include the GNU system and the applications bundled with it. A better comparison would be Microsoft Windows versus Red Hat Linux or another distribution.
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Originally posted by HibbeeBoy:
The home consumer needs a device that works like the TV. Sitting on their fat ass using a remote control to do a few simple things. Play a movie/CD send/receive e-mail browse the internet for porn mostly.
Actually they have that, it's called WebTV :D
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So, to summarise, you've just defeated your own argument by revealing that Microsoft had to patch twice as many holes as Red Hat in the same period. That's why we say "oh it's insecure."
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Originally posted by ShawnD1:
Actually they have that, it's called WebTV :D
Aye, but it is powered by MSN ! (http://tongue.gif)
I hate Microsoft, I hate them I hate them I hate them.
I'm away to send an angry e-mail to their support staff.
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Originally posted by flap:
So, to summarise, you've just defeated your own argument by revealing that Microsoft had to patch twice as many holes as Red Hat in the same period. That's why we say "oh it's insecure."
They patched twice as many holes for software that is 10x is big. That means the rate of error in Windows is less than the rate of error in Linux.
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They patched twice as many holes for software that is 10x is big. That means the rate of error in Windows is less than the rate of error in Linux.
Have you read what I said a few posts above?
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Erm, no. First, that's 5 million lines of code. Second, you are comparing the Linux kernel with the whole Windows system, which includes drivers, .net, Explorer and the user interface. Linux is just a small part of OS, and doesn't include the GNU system and the applications bundled with it. A better comparison would be Microsoft Windows versus Red Hat Linux or another distribution.
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No, it isn't "10x as big". As has just been explained to you, that article refers to the entire Red Hat GNU/Linux distribution, which comprises far more than "2 million lines of code".
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Originally posted by mc0282:
i been asking my self since i heard about the tcpa,dmca,drm,etc.. ok when windows longhorn is release and i know some hacker,cracker is going to unleash some worm and prove the microsoft windows is never going to be secure, is people going to wake the fuck up and say "enough of this shit,
i am going to find something better"
or people going to stay close minded with there heads up there asses keep using windows?, people complaint when the dvd player doesn't want to work people complaint when AC is not cooling the room, why people don't complaint microsoft want to take your privacy? come on tell me how many people in this country against it ?
i be honest if i had cold heart i would create a fucking bomb and told the people at microsoft get out, and i would blow up microsoft headquater into piece to prove a fucking point, i am sick of there shit .
sorry for the long paragraph i want to see if other people feel the same way or just want to stay here complaint and not do shit about it.
i sick of complaining i want to fucking do something about it.
[ July 27, 2003: Message edited by: mc0282 ]
I do agree quite strongly with you. Privacy is the main consern :( .But we are dealing with the psycology of a person. I can see them buying new computers with 'LongHoe' on it. They, will probably realize that they can't do all the stuff they cam now with their previous version of winblowz, prompting them to do two things.
A.) Keep on returning it to the maufacturer(repair shop) etc... Only to realize that it JUST won't work!
or
B.) digress to a previous version of WinBlowz./stick to the winblowz you already have.
I hear already that people just don't want to upgrade anymore. I mean, for them, if 98SE plays all the latest games, then why get winXP. If win2kpro is stable enough for the office inviroment then why go to 2k3???.....
Of course because of this no real problems will ever be solved. Virii/worms will still plunder th inet and people will continue to call their 'techs.'
A sad world. However Linux. is makeing leaps and bounds and the fact is when I switched it made my life better and easier with less complications!
:cool:
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windows has 20 million lines of code in it? I saw something that said xp had around 35 to 40 million lines of code in it. This article (https://www.redhat.com/archives/open-source-now-list/2003-February/msg00129.html) says that 2000 has 50-60 million lines of code.
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http://news.com.com/2100-1001_3-934363.html (http://news.com.com/2100-1001_3-934363.html)
http://www.biznix.org/whylinux/windows/win2000.html (http://www.biznix.org/whylinux/windows/win2000.html)
basically, windows is a huge peice of bloat ware with an enormous problem in keeping its code under control. It is spiraling out of control. Linux on the other hand, has tight control over its code. Its clean, and people actually know what is going on in there.
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And lets not forget. Not only does M$ has 20 million lines of usless, insecure, bloated code, I wouldn't be suprised if more than half of it is stolen!
Yet SCO has a problem with linux?
M$ said it themselves....
"Good artists copy, Great artists steal!"
They cant fix what really isn't theirs. If you stole more than half the car parts to build your car and know nothing about michanics, your car would turn out to be a deathtrap just because you have no idea how things work, and no idea on what you are doing.
[ August 20, 2003: Message edited by: -=Solaris.M.K.A=- ]
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Originally posted by ecsyle:951:
windows has 20 million lines of code in it? I saw something that said xp had around 35 to 40 million lines of code in it. This article (https://www.redhat.com/archives/open-source-now-list/2003-February/msg00129.html) says that 2000 has 50-60 million lines of code.
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http://news.com.com/2100-1001_3-934363.html (http://news.com.com/2100-1001_3-934363.html)
http://www.biznix.org/whylinux/windows/win2000.html (http://www.biznix.org/whylinux/windows/win2000.html)
basically, windows is a huge peice of bloat ware with an enormous problem in keeping its code under control. It is spiraling out of control. Linux on the other hand, has tight control over its code. Its clean, and people actually know what is going on in there.
So what the fuck are those extra lines doing??? Comments, has to be comments