Stop Microsoft
All Things Microsoft => Microsoft Software => Topic started by: Calum on 14 September 2002, 21:49
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Click Here to reply to this sophisticated pillock... (http://www.yourlinux.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?TopicID=75)
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BubbaCola:
Linux is an interesting toy
Believe me when I say I am for diversity in OS. But you see I am a product of the original small computer market back in the early 80's.
Every single computer ran its own OS - but all ran BASIC. BASIC was written or stolen by Bill Gates, depending upon your view. But not a small computer did run without MS Basic.
LINUX has many good points, but it simply will not run in a sophisticated user mode. By this I mean, an internal OS that will help a USER that does not quite have the exact same target computer system that the OS loader is looking for. In other words drivers.
USERS wish to use, and not program. But they also wish to be rewarded for knowledge and not be treated as a NEWBIE. LINUX treats all sophisticated WIN USERS as NEWBIES and provides no ONLINE resolution HELP for resolving CONFLICTS.
As such LINUX needs to improve, but I as a USER want a system sophisticated to my needs. I run a system configuration that indicates I can learn - namely NT4 with a Dual Boot into Windows, but NT4 works as you say LINUX does without crash (Ihave had 3 crashes in the last 12 months) and as such I wonder why LINUX should be more favorable. Do you not fear that Win2000 and XP with its solid NT buid will kill LINUX?
I fear that Microsoft with letting NT for home use will kill LINUX as NT does not crash - save sometimes in a year or so.
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The guy is fucked up worse than Hogan"s goat; he probably tried to install a distro (my money's on Lindows) and couldn't, then he posted a really basic question to a Linux forum and got a RTFM reply; that crushed his fragile little ego, so he decided it was Linux, not him.
BTW: no point in replying to a mind that has slammed shut as firmly as his.
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What he means is, that Linux doesn't provide hand holding and coddling....and that man pages aren't pretty and graphical.
He's had 3 crashes in the last 12 months, and he says, "NT doesn't crash like Linux"
BLIND!!!!
[ September 14, 2002: Message edited by: RudeCat7 ]
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Oh shit that's the funniest thing I've ever read in my life! He sounds legally retarded.
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but I as a USER want a system sophisticated to my needs.
And that's exactly why he uses an OS with an animated pooch to help him search and a stupid paperclip telling him how to save his Word file.
Sorry, I just had to point it out.
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Im so lucky I discovered MES. What if I had discovered some pro wind0ze and anti-linux sites first? Then I might of been dangerously brainwashed into thinking this site is BS. Or would I? I've felt wind0ze is blah(not a piece of shit, just blah) before I even saw this site. (http://smile.gif)
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Every single computer ran its own OS - but all ran BASIC. BASIC was written or stolen by Bill Gates, depending upon your view. But not a small computer did run without MS Basic.
Whatever. This sounds like BS. I have no technical know-how about this subject, yet my bullshit detector is ringing like crazy. Either it's obvious that is bullshit, or im no better then those people who make uneducated putdowns against Linux. (http://smile.gif)
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LINUX has many good points, but it simply will not run in a sophisticated user mode. By this I mean, an internal OS that will help a USER that does not quite have the exact same target computer system that the OS loader is looking for. In other words drivers.
Well my theory is that someone must make it this way. Problem is, when the users get this good, they must realize the beauty of the non-friendly mode, and never bother.
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USERS wish to use, and not program. But they also wish to be rewarded for knowledge and not be treated as a NEWBIE. LINUX treats all sophisticated WIN USERS as NEWBIES and provides no ONLINE resolution HELP for resolving CONFLICTS.
OF COURSE YOUR A NEWBIE! LINUX IS TOO COMPLEX TO BE ANYTHING BUT A NEWBIE WHEN YOU FIRST START OUT.
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Good one, Calum.
Why did he capitalize USER, NEWBIES, ONLINE, HELP etc?
Yes, NT4 became relatively stable, after what: 5 or 7 huge ass service packs? 2000 is the same way, I think we are up to 3. XP is doing the same thing: the first service pack was over 100 MB, and was mostly to please the DOJ.
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And that's exactly why he uses an OS with an animated pooch to help him search and a stupid paperclip telling him how to save his Word file.
:D LOL :D
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Every single computer ran its own OS - but all ran BASIC. BASIC was written or stolen by Bill Gates, depending upon your view. But not a small computer did run without MS Basic.
He's on CRACK! Apple computers ran completely without BASIC. I'm fairly sure BASIC doesn't exist for that platform. I think C came before basic? It was invented in the 70's
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LINUX has many good points, but it simply will not run in a sophisticated user mode. By this I mean, an internal OS that will help a USER that does not quite have the exact same target computer system that the OS loader is looking for. In other words drivers.
I think he means that Linux has very few drivers. :confused: MORON! Look and you shall find.
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USERS wish to use, and not program. But they also wish to be rewarded for knowledge and not be treated as a NEWBIE. LINUX treats all sophisticated WIN USERS as NEWBIES and provides no ONLINE resolution HELP for resolving CONFLICTS.
You can't just download a distro and think "I'm gonna master this today" Buy a fuckin book or something! Don't take on every complex little thing and expect to understand and use it in a few seconds. Windows is the same way. You can't just go through the Admin tools and expect them to work the second you open them (without a $35 phone call or $3000 training course, that is). They make a 400 page book on "Getting Started With IIS" and they don't even begin to touch anything but the basics.
If you bothered to read all that, I pity you! In sum: This guy is BLIND AND DOES NOT SEE THAT M$ IS DOING THE VERY THINGS HE IS BITCHING ABOUT! Not to mention he is preaching to the wrong audience.
/Rant
[ September 14, 2002: Message edited by: The_Muffin_Man/B0b ]
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You can't just download a distro and think "I'm gonna master this today" Buy a fuckin book or something! Don't take on every complex little thing and expect to understand and use it in a few seconds. Windows is the same way. You can't just go through the Admin tools and expect them to work the second you open them (without a $35 phone call or $3000 training course, that is). They make a 400 page book on "Getting Started With IIS" and they don't even begin to touch anything but the basics.
Nor can you download a distro and expect to master it in one month. (http://smile.gif)
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Originally posted by lazygamer:
Im so lucky I discovered MES. What if I had discovered some pro wind0ze and anti-linux sites first? Then I might of been dangerously brainwashed into thinking this site is BS. Or would I?
Ineresting question. What's to say you aren't? What's to say you are? What if you had found some pro-apple sites first? Would you be sitting on you new iMac(beautiful as it is) hoping they pick you for a "switch campaign" ad and chatting about linsux?
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Linux treats its users like noobs?
WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS GUY SMOKING????
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USERS wish to use, and not program. But they also wish to be rewarded for knowledge and not be treated as a NEWBIE.
Maybe he wants a golden star sticker for learning what a tarball is?
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he wants to be a 1337 H4xx0r d00d :D
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Another frustrated wannabe Linux user. He propably tried to install Linux, couldn't do it, ditched it and then started to flame it. Really pathetic.. what an asshole :D :D
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i thought of a good analogy for what this guy is saying:
he is basically saying he knows a lot about windows and therefore linux must be crap if he cannot figure out how to use it easily and quickly.
That is like someone saying 'I know how to peel oranges, so coconuts and pumpkins must be really crap because i cannot peel them in exactly the same way.'
(tangerines are fine however as they are 'orange-compatible')
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Originally posted by Calum:
i thought of a good analogy for what this guy is saying:
he is basically saying he knows a lot about windows and therefore linux must be crap if he cannot figure out how to use it easily and quickly.
That is like someone saying 'I know how to peel oranges, so coconuts and pumpkins must be really crap because i cannot peel them in exactly the same way.'
(tangerines are fine however as they are 'orange-compatible')
:D Good analogy indeed :D .
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Do you not fear that Win2000 and XP with its solid NT buid will kill LINUX?
No, actually it makes us laugh!!!!
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What I find most interesting about this whole thing is that Winblows Lusers are always whining about how "arrogant" Linux people are for believing that Winders is strictly for idiots. (http://tongue.gif)
Now we have this post from someone who seems hell-bent on proving just what idiots do, in fact, use Winders. :eek:
Since this post appeared on a Linux site, could it be some Linux person posing as an idiot Winders user? :D
And yet, this kind of stupidity is easy to find on boards dedicated to Winders. So far, I have yet to see any Linux user making such idiotic posts on any forum of any type.
It seems it's true: Winders is for idiots ;)
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Computers are like air conditioners: they can't do their jobs if you open windows.
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Or perhaps MS is smart enough to at least realize that not everyone is a bright bulb, and have such an easy and successful OS because your average Joe doesn't want to know how his OS works, he just wants it to work.(I must take away this perfect setup for a MS dis and say "What. Windows Works?" Hahaha. so hilarious.)
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hey fett, are you Bob? Another vict....i mean... blessed soul seems to have joined from fuckmicrosoft.com. Will shall be strewn across the internet. There is already well over 4 thousand of us and we are not slowing down!!!! You'll never defeat us, you cant bring down our utopia and ruin our blissfull state of content, Oh you may try to be a facist and force your ways upon us but we will have a Utopia Calum and we are all Bob.
[EDIT: well that turned from a welcome bob speach to an incoherent rant awfully fast. Since you actually do believ in some of the ways of Bob why not join us farther by putting Bob beside your name. You know you want to, because we are all Bob.
[ September 25, 2002: Message edited by: The Master of Reality / Bob ]
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When I read te first sentace I thought you were referring to Boba Fett.
Eh. I've always loved the name Bob. Such a common name, and yet I've only met 1 person in person who was named Bob.
But I'm curious about Bob. Do you have a pamplet?
[ September 25, 2002: Message edited by: fett101 ]
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sophisticated windows user
now thats an oxymoron.
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how can you say that? many of the world's best programmers use Windows.
it's ok to say Windows sucks and people who say Linux sucks are ignorant but it's very wrong to say that Windows users are all stupid, that's like me saying all Linux users are homosexual.
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Sure it may be wrong to say that "all" Windows users are stupid. But I don't think it would be wrong to say that "most" Windows users are stupid. I, however, would not use that particular word. I would say "most" Windows users, in fact "nearly all" Windows users are "ignorant".
What percentage of Windows users have ever used anything "other" than Windows? I would be willing to bet it is in the 0% to 10% range. That would make most Windows users ignorant by definition.
Now what percentage of Linux users have ever used an OS "other" than Linux? I would be willing to bet very close to 100%, in fact I would not be surprised if it was exactly 100%. It would be fairly safe to say that there are "no" ignorant Linux users.
[ September 26, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]
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We are not saying ALL winderz users are idiots (it just rolls off the tongue so easily).
But in general, the vast winderz user demographic tends to make comments that make them seem as such.
Plus, if a person happens to be an idiot, or dipshit, they definitely should use winderz.
microsoft has this "vision" that everyone who owns a toaster, and can use a toaster, should own a computer as well. My friends, you walk in the malls, you've talked to people on the street,you've shopped at Walmart, alot of people have no business owning a computer! It is not like running a fucking toaster! The closest thing to this fucking "vision" is webtv.
People! the second most complicated appliance in the average home is a fucking VCR! And you know people who have problems with that!
microsoft and AOL are to blame for this! Their business depends on getting every dipshit/idiot with the cash to believe that using their products is easy enough for a dipshit/idiot!
...starting to rant....must stop.... :mad:
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Originally posted by RudeCat7:
We are not saying ALL winderz users are idiots (it just rolls off the tongue so easily).
But in general, the vast winderz user demographic tends to make comments that make them seem as such.
Plus, if a person happens to be an idiot, or dipshit, they definitely should use winderz.
microsoft has this "vision" that everyone who owns a toaster, and can use a toaster, should own a computer as well. My friends, you walk in the malls, you've talked to people on the street,you've shopped at Walmart, alot of people have no business owning a computer! It is not like running a fucking toaster! The closest thing to this fucking "vision" is webtv.
People! the second most complicated appliance in the average home is a fucking VCR! And you know people who have problems with that!
microsoft and AOL are to blame for this! Their business depends on getting every dipshit/idiot with the cash to believe that using their products is easy enough for a dipshit/idiot!
...starting to rant....must stop.... :mad:
Oh know, go ahead and rant, it's fun to read.
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Originally posted by fett101:
When I read te first sentace I thought you were referring to Boba Fett.
Eh. I've always loved the name Bob. Such a common name, and yet I've only met 1 person in person who was named Bob.
But I'm curious about Bob. Do you have a pamplet?
[ September 25, 2002: Message edited by: fett101 ]
Well... we are given the name "bob" by joining the Cult of Bob. You can read everything there is to know about the cult of bob at www.bobhub.tk (http://www.bobhub.tk)
there is even a bob messageboard.
I have been in the process of making a Bob Pamphlet for 6 months but we Bobs are lazy so i havent gotten around to starting it yet. There is around 10 Bobs browsing these forums. We hope to include you in our cult and help us create a Utopia of Bobs.
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For the people who think linux will make it into being widespread as workstations, your wrong. People who use workstations in work applications only want to do their job, they dont want to know how to fix anything or make a script that check if some 12 year old backdoored their computer, they just want to do their work and get on with it. Personally i think linux in the state it is in should only be used on servers. Until it is more user friendly thats where its staying in the real world.
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have you used Linux??
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Originally posted by void main:
Now what percentage of Linux users have ever used an OS "other" than Linux? I would be willing to bet very close to 100%
Easily 99.99%. Mayyyyybeee because Windows holds the majority of PC's. Just because they've used another OS, that doesn't mean they can't be ignorant. They could have switched to Linux in the terrible days of Win 98, and now call XP a rottting pile of shit without even touching it once.
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Originally posted by RudeCat7:
microsoft has this "vision" that everyone who owns a toaster, and can use a toaster, should own a computer as well.
You must not watch much sci-fi. In the future, everyone has a computer. Granted, it talks and does house chores, but that's basically where the world is headed. It's neigh impossible to get a desk job without knowing how to use a computer. And if you ever visit jam packed chat rooms or browse around some of the crap people are sellimg on eBay, then you'd realize that those idiots are already jacked in.
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You must not watch much sci-fi. In the future, everyone has a computer. Granted, it talks and does house chores, but that's basically where the world is headed. It's neigh impossible to get a desk job without knowing how to use a computer. And if you ever visit jam packed chat rooms or browse around some of the crap people are sellimg on eBay, then you'd realize that those idiots are already jacked in.
This is great though. Cuz I can now become a script kiddy(well one who's a half kiddy, seeks to learn what's behind the magic but can't program shit, and has morals) extremely easily. The massmarket is a preying ground of easy targets, imagine the thrill it must be to snoop around in some idiot's computer and snatch(copy) programs and files that would benefit you(for example a game).
Although my half-kitty brother(used to do such activities) says the thrill is gone eventually. ;)
Can you believe I've never pursued this only because im too fucking Lazy? But hey, it is a gateway to learning and such.
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I think that a great number of these people online are still relatively young. 30 something and younger. What I'm concerned about is that marketing is pushing technology onto non-tech types....ex: gradma, and grandpa can just buy a pc so they can e-mail a video, photos, whatever....yeah.. cause it's so simple.
Can you imagine? I mean, you don't have to imagine it, it's happening. People who may have never used a computer before are buying into the hype, they buy a computer because they just want to "stay connected" and aol/m$ makes it seem like you just plug it in, like a tv, and it works!
Maybe we do need Apple, Apple is closer to this than anything that m$ puts out. Perhaps, in the future this will be the answer. Advanced pc users will use Linux, and the casual appliance user will use an Imac, plausible?
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to be honest i believe that most people buy a computer because of all of the fallowing
a)chat on line.
b)Do whatever work they have in office apps.
c)listen to music
d)because the neighbor has a PC.
e)the thought of free porn is inticing.
I dare anyone in here who haved repaired other people's computers to prove me wrong.
The majority of people buy a computer for all the above.
There is not a thurst of knowledge. We have taped in the bigest information resource humanity has ever seen and what we do with it? We fill 75+% of it with porn sites.
If you were an allien, what would you think about the human race by observing it by far away?
Personaly if i was an allien i would ask my self this: "Its gonna be very hard for me to find a reason not to nuke the shit out of them".
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What do you want them to do on thier PC? Programing?
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the biggy is games. it's a biggy.
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Originally posted by Chooco:
the biggy is games. it's a biggy.
Maybe for you, but not for me. I quit playing games on my computer when I turned 38.
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lol@void main. Well, some people who are 38+ are big game freaks.
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For the people who think linux will make it into being widespread as workstations, your wrong. People who use workstations in work applications only want to do their job, they dont want to know how to fix anything or make a script that check if some 12 year old backdoored their computer, they just want to do their work and get on with it. Personally i think linux in the state it is in should only be used on servers. Until it is more user friendly thats where its staying in the real world.
WTF?!
I switched just so I could do what I needed to do! I got fucking fed up with IE locking up, the printer spooler getting corrupted, office crashing, and the whole box freezing because, how dare I?, I wanted to shut down!!!! :mad:
So you want to walk about work, huh? I'll you what people want...They want to read e-mail from all of their contacts without having outlook spread dozens of viruses on their workstations (even with the damn virus software installed).
What do you know about workstations? Real workstations have green text, and a black back ground so you sit your ass down and fucking do your work. Your concern is probably downloading WMP files, so of course you require a top O' the line Wintel machine with a user-friendly GUI so you can drag and drop your MP3s into your bloated EZ-cdCreator.
And then, you bring up the stupid issue of security holes! How many fucking times do we have to spell this out for you?
As soon as a hole is found, it is fixed! No system is 100% perfect! The Linux community takes care of itself.
As if you haven't heard of the countless security bugs in ALL windows releases! What's more important is that those are only the bugs that had to be acknowledged by M$ because they were so embarrassing! M$ is hiding even more security holes! So just shut up!
The fact that linux bugs are publicized should indicate to you that something positive is going on. Microsoft doesn't admit anything voluntarily!
Since you don't think it can be a desktop OS, it just means you didn't try hard enough! You must realize that you didn't have a choice when it came to learning an operating system. All you've ever seen in your life is windows, and you learned it by default! You don't realize that you spent years being around windows computers before you started using them. It just seemed natural to you. You didn't just sit down one day, and learned windows cold. It was on tv, in the stores, in your school, and maybe in your parents office. You spent years learning windows, and you didn't even know it. So don't be pissy because you can't figure out Linux in a few hours!
Hey, try SuSe, it's dumbed down enough for anybody to get started in Linux, and KDE can be configured to look better than any xp gui. Plus, if you want to get serious, it has all the server software you need (since that's all it's good for) sarcasm
'nuff said.
[ September 30, 2002: Message edited by: RudeCat7 ]
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LOL! Awesome job Rudecat, you need a BIG chocolate chip cookie(cuz oatmeal sux). (http://smile.gif)
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Rudecat :
All you've ever seen in your life is windows, and you learned it by default! You don't realize that you spent years being around windows computers before you started using them. It just seemed natural to you. You didn't just sit down one day, and learned windows cold. It was on tv, in the stores, in your school, and maybe in your parents office. You spent years learning windows, and you didn't even know it. So don't be pissy because you can't figure out Linux in a few hours!
Why do you assume i dont know linux? I most certainly do know it, i even help the admin at school with his linux servers, i run it as a firewall aswell for my home network. So just shut the fuck up before you know the full story you stupid looking blow-up-doll.
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Oh and obviously you havn't tried windows 2000\NT , they are very stable operating systems, they are all I use.
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Quote from rudecat "Hey, try SuSe, it's dumbed down enough for anybody to get started in Linux"
then his user profile ...
Operating system of choice: suse 7.3
obviously your a linux master
lol at the irony
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and of course the average home computer user wants to learn programming languages so they can deal with compile errors when they're trying to load the text browser. oh and a newbie tries to remove a directory called "bin" from his home dir so he types rm -r /bin and his whole system is fucked. isn't that fantastic for the work environment?
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hmmmmm....thats pretty impossible fiberop... unless they are in Lindows of course.
And i would hate to have a broswer that doesnt have text.... how would i read the forums?
[ September 30, 2002: Message edited by: The Master of Reality / Bob ]
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I meant lynx by "text browser" i think you are all part of the Ferrous Cranus (http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame63.html) Club. You people are a worry.
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'Reality is just an illusion created by a lack of alcohol'
your a smart one bob
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isn't that fantastic! www.linux.org (http://www.linux.org) is down
talk about stability
/me waits for the flames
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BLAH! BLAH! BLAH!
That's right, I'm a Linux noob. But at least this fucking noob doesn't have the problems you do. How fucking retarded must you be?
What distro left you so fucking twisted? It must've been many years ago, are you talking about Minix?
Once again, I don't understand what you choose to stand for...closed source, the never ending software upgrade, the never ending hardware upgrade, the never ending intrusion into your privacy. Can you afford to continue this way? I don't believe than any casual user shells out $200 bucks for windows, $200 plus for office, $20 bucks for anti-virus software, $40 bucks for norton utilities, $20 bucks for windows blinds, $100 bucks for dreamweaver, $400 bucks for photoshop, etc. etc. etc. Then if you want to get into server software, watch out! advanced server 2000, $900 bucks to start plus licenses, I don't even want to mention SQL or IIs the price is astronomical! All this can be had in Linux! for free if you have the brains! or cheaper than m$ even if you buy it retail.
I didn't really read most of your posts anyway, I'm sure they're silly because your ego got rubbed the wrong way. I'd actually be nicer if you didn't make such general, uneducated statements. But oh well, that's the way of the Troll. :D
Oh yeah, this is my favorite part about Linux. Say the noob fucks up his account really bad. As root you just delete that user account, and then re-add it, piece o cake. That's called learning!
[ September 30, 2002: Message edited by: RudeCat7 ]
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Originally posted by Fibre0p:
and of course the average home computer user wants to learn programming languages so they can deal with compile errors when they're trying to load the text browser.
Why would they have to learn a programming language if they don't want to. Home Linux users don't need to learn a language any more than Windows users do. And they don't have to deal with compile errors if they aren't compiling. They don't have to compile anything. But it sure is nice to have that option unlike M$ operating systems.
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oh and a newbie tries to remove a directory called "bin" from his home dir so he types rm -r /bin and his whole system is fucked. isn't that fantastic for the work environment?
Not true at all. First of all, a normal user does not have access to remove /bin or any file in it. In a work/corporate environment users certainly would not have root's password. And even if you did have administrative access and deleted "/bin" it would take all of 5 minutes to get it back. I don't see how this makes your system f00ked. Another troll?
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I just took a look at your profile fibreop. tell me something did you BUY Win2k AS (Advanced Server) and put it on yer little Home computer????????? to host games off of? thinking maybe if I spend 7000 canadian it might be more stable? heck why not go for Data Center and then hget SQL Server for another 5000 dollars for an address book and then you will need to buy Content Management Server 1 CPU Licence of 17000 dollars canadian, oh and lets not forget about internet security and accelleration server which is another 2000 dollars..
yer a Fucking LeewwwwZer
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originally posted by Fibre0p
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Oh and obviously you havn't tried windows 2000\NT , they are very stable operating systems, they are all I use.
then you havent had the joy of not crashing. I do not know a shit-load about computers, and i dont have to be able to use linux. i switched like a month ago, and havent looked back. linux just makes more sense than windows, now that i am getting more comfortable with it. granted, windows2000/nt is more stable than any other flavor of windows, but next to my mac or linux box, it doesnt stand a chance. today alone windows has crashed twice. (first time i booted into it in a while also). i dont even let the bastard online. my mac/linux machines have been running non-stop for a while now, with no crashes (ever), no fuckups to report, no problems.
i suggest you get your head out of your ass, and get a life. stop trying to defend your precious windows, it will get you nowhere. unless of course you are here just to get a rise out of us, and in that case, fuck off.
ecsyle_one
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so some 12 year old can come along and as a normal user run one of the many exploits that are all over the net and get root access in a matter of ~10 seconds. Its just so easy to crack linux. Linux has to be constantly updated too.
btw i dont use win2k AS at home, i use it at work you Ferrous Cranus. If a company cant afford server software, they dont deserve to have a network.
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if windoze is so good then try this.... Setup a clean installation, setup an FTP setup IIS setup Security, set it up so you will never get a virus, trojan, and with no extra software. Just what comes with the O/S and that is it.... then do the same thing with a Linux Distro and see the results..
Case Closed
Linux Wins
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I noted your avoidance of www.linux.org (http://www.linux.org) being down. Guess what? its still down... cant be a hardware upgrade.
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If a company cant afford server software, they dont deserve to have a network.
Ummm...since any company can afford to get Linux, then that means every company deserves to have a network.
I know what you were trying to say, 'cause you sure didn't.
And what you were implying is just sad, pathetic and sad.
If some 10 year old or 12 year old (this time) can just come along and crack the login password, and then run a 'sploit then that is some smart motherfucker. You are just jealous of his L337 skills, and the size of this kid's dick.
h4 h4! Ur |\|07 l33t! ur 4 L4|\/|3r!!!!
Actually you are not worthy of Lamerhood. You are just a blithering dipshit...and may I remind you...
you should definitely use window$!! really, really, I am soooo LOL!
You've lost all credibility frankly, if anybody responds to your posts, they'll just be toying with you, mostly out of boredom, like me.
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Originally posted by Fibre0p:
I noted your avoidance of www.linux.org (http://www.linux.org) being down. Guess what? its still down... cant be a hardware upgrade.
Huh? It works fine for me, maybe it's a problem with your IE?
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works fine on my machine as well POOF!! it is there
Must be an MS thing LMAO!!!
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Hey Ex Eleven,
This kid needs a page to test his IE on. Can you help him out? ;)
Your IE is so lame, it is not compatible with Ex Eleven's new linux HTML format, watch..
Stable *.HxR script (http://exeleven.tk)
[ October 01, 2002: Message edited by: RudeCat7 ]
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No I think he need good ole Microsoft Support to figure this one out :D LOL
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oh, i just wanted to add that it worked for me as well. i am willing to bet its internet exploder, cuz it worked in both mozilla and konquerer. fucking microsoft.
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Yeah I tried it on Mozilla, Konquerer and lynx no problem
Have you done an upgrade???? if not, pay billy that may be the problem... LOL :D
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Originally posted by Fibre0p:
so some 12 year old can come along and as a normal user run one of the many exploits that are all over the net and get root access in a matter of ~10 seconds. Its just so easy to crack linux. Linux has to be constantly updated too.
First of all, most businesses have security guards and don't let 12 year olds run around. Second of all, you can only use a local sploit if you already have a user account on the machine. Still not going to get you into the servers. And why would you want to spend any time trying to find a vulnerability to exploit when you can just boot from a floppy (like Tom's boot disk) and get all you want? If you got physical access to the machine nothing is going to stop someone from gaining access no matter what OS it's running. You can gain administrator access on any 2K system very easily if you have local login access. And if they have physical access and no logon a boot disk can own any M$ box as well.
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btw i dont use win2k AS at home, i use it at work you Ferrous Cranus. If a company cant afford server software, they dont deserve to have a network.
Being able to afford server software really doesn't have much to do with it. Running either is going to cost you, it's how well each one can do it's job that counts. That's why I run Linux on as many servers as I can. And it sure beats trying to keep up with M$ licensing procedures. It's nice not to have to worry if you're going to get a visit from MS Lenny and MS Guido, the Microsoft thugs, because you've overlooked some of the fine print.
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good point void... However the point I was making was simply this
With an install of Win2k to secure it you need to buy 3rd party software
With a linux install (Granted there are security measures you have to take) but it can be done with the software that comes on a Linux distrubution.
Weigh the differences.....
Linux ( if you buy it has extra goodies in the distro) still comes out cheaper including man hours
Windows Nothing comes with it except some vain little toys plus an EULA that even a lawyer would have a hard time understanding.
In this case as I said above about the Money you would have to shell out to make it secure and that is not 100%
That is all I was getting at
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Oh don't get me wrong, I totally agree about the cost and the value of Linux coming way out on top. I just don't think it is a huge factor in a lot of businesses. IT Managers somehow feel more important the more money they spend and the larger budgets they have.
Having said that, there are a lot of businesses that don't have huge budgets. In either case Linux is still the best choice in a lot of cases because for one it is better in many ways, and for two you can purchase more hardware or give your employees a raise with the money you save by going Linux.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out the initial cost of say Windows XP, Office XP, Visual Studio.NET, the CALs for Exchange, SQL Server for 1000 desktops vs the $0 you have to dole out for Linux, OpenOffice.org, Ximian Evolution connecting to an IMAP server, PostgreSQL, and the boatloads of development software.
Hell, even if your stuck with Windows and just can't swing the wholesale change to Linux (yet) just switching from Office XP to OpenOffice should get you giant pay raise.
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im not talking about physical access you fuck, remote exploits are everywhere. you can exploit ftp daemons, apache, hell even openssh itself. Oh and btw i compiled gentoo linux today and decided to try www.linux.org (http://www.linux.org) with "lynx" still no go.
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I am beginning to think my ISP has blocked linux.org for some unknown reason.
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Yeah, cuz they know you're a fucking asshole!
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I see linux.org no problem using Opera.
Fibre0p, Linux has a feature called a "wanker detector" obviously it's picked you up very easily.
:D
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Originally posted by Fibre0p:
im not talking about physical access you fuck, remote exploits are everywhere. you can exploit ftp daemons, apache, hell even openssh itself. Oh and btw i compiled gentoo linux today and decided to try www.linux.org (http://www.linux.org) with "lynx" still no go.
Really, is that why one of my main Linux servers has an uptime of 603 days with only one reboot 111 days ago because of an extended power outage? Yep, them 12 years olds are really killing me. Don't know why I'm still using Linux, I better switch to Winblows right away.
And you compiled Gentoo today huh? You did it all in one day? You must be a pretty fart smeller.
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the moron posted from 210.49.230.33 and 211.28.96.70. Must be on dialup. i bet he's not in cuba though... is it windows xp loser? could be...
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For the people who think linux will make it into being widespread as workstations, your wrong. People who use workstations in work applications only want to do their job, they dont want to know how to fix anything or make a script that check if some 12 year old backdoored their computer, they just want to do their work and get on with it. Personally i think linux in the state it is in should only be used on servers. Until it is more user friendly thats where its staying in the real world
Ironic words indeed. Linux does a far better job of just letting folks get their work done. After all, once it's up and running, it just keeps going on. Hell, Linux doesn't even have the equivalent of a BSOD!
As for doing work, well, this close friend of the family was in her final quarter of med school. There was this one class she had to take for graduation. The "final" consisted of doing a paper, that she'd worked on for two weeks on the new Sony Viao her husband had recently bought - with Win XP pre-installed. The night before her paper was due, she was putting the finishing touches on it, and guess what happened? ;)
That's right - XP crashed hard. :eek: And her report was totally, completely gone. MIA. Needless to say, it just wasn't possible for her to spend the rest of the night recreating two weeks' worth of work. And the professor wouldn't take "XP ate my homework" for an excuse either. So, this summer, she spent it repeating the course - a course she'd've passed had it not been for XP. :mad: (The next day, she requested that I pay her a visit to wipe XP off the HD (http://tongue.gif) and install Mandrake Linux).
The term "Microsoft workstation" is an oxymoron :D
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Yeah I think that would be an IP address from a Dial-up all right if my thinking is correct the IP address is probably from a AOL or a Juno Account
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Nope, their both from a Cable/Dialup provider in Australia:
http://www.optusnet.com.au/ (http://www.optusnet.com.au/)
[ October 01, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]
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oh ffs my IP changed because i used my linux computer for a post and the windows one for the other posts. fkin ferrous cranus fucks
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i have cable
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600 day uptime eh? first of all linux dosn't display over ~490 days. and if its been on that long i think its time you shut it down and gave it a clean
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jtpenrod, i would like to see how compatible linux is with a sony vaio :D
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This is offtopic, but at the same time On topic.
I never understand the Trolls who are so gun-ho anti-linux and pro-windows. It just dosn't make sense.
It's as if the fact that linux has a steeper learning curve than windows at the moment automaticly makes it a non-option. They don't seem to understand that it is a growing OS. An OS that has grown in leeps and bounds over it's short lifespan, and an OS with potential.
Sure, perhapse right now it isn't as friendly as Windows. But can you imagine in a few years?
My point is, the argument should be use Linux, because it will only get better if you do. The more people use it, the more friendly it will get, and it will obviously surpasse windows.
I don't think anyone could provide one concrete logical argument why an OS built on Linux, and in the Open source community, woulden't surpase windows in every way possible. Because that feet is soon to come.
Sorry, you may say windows is easier now, you may currently prefer it over Linux, but you can't say Linux is a bad OS and that windoze is somehow better. Because it simply isn't.
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I never understand the Trolls who are so gun-ho anti-linux and pro-windows. It just dosn't make sense.
who said im anti-linux? I USE LINUX ffs
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btw tell me what "leaps and bounds" linux has achieved over the last ten years? new hardware support?
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I spend a whole day compiling linux over 3 stages just to have it say theres no network card modules built into the kernel, so i have to recompile again, isn't that fantastic?
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Originally posted by Fibre0p:
jtpenrod, i would like to see how compatible linux is with a sony vaio :D
FibreAss, I would like to see how compatible Windows is with Sun Sparc.
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Originally posted by Fibre0p:
I spend a whole day compiling linux over 3 stages just to have it say theres no network card modules built into the kernel, so i have to recompile again, isn't that fantastic?
Sounds like someone didn't follow the directions. Maybe if you had "configured" the kernel before compiling you might have those drivers you are looking for.
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Originally posted by Fibre0p:
I spend a whole day compiling linux over 3 stages just to have it say theres no network card modules built into the kernel, so i have to recompile again, isn't that fantastic?
You're an idiot who has never used Linux. Mandrake 9.0 installs in less than an hour. The only hardware that Linux dosn't support is that with proprietary drivers.
In other words what you are saying is: Windows pays hardware companys to keep their hardware from being compatible with anything but windows, and in some cases, only the lastest version of windows and I think thats great! I just love it how M$ uses devious and illegal marketing to force me into using their inferior OS. I think that doing everything possible to stop people from having any choice over what software they use, and then driving the software prices sky high is somthing to be lauded.
Using windows is one thing, but religiously supporting it is just plain dumb.
V
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Originally posted by Fibre0p:
600 day uptime eh? first of all linux dosn't display over ~490 days. and if its been on that long i think its time you shut it down and gave it a clean
:rolleyes:
Tell that to my "uptime" command bozo. No, it doesn't need a "clean" thank you, only Windows needs that. What a friggin' dip shit.
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You're an idiot who has never used Linux. Mandrake 9.0 installs in less than an hour.
lets see you COMPILE IT YOURSELF
stupid fuck
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FibreAss, I would like to see how compatible Windows is with Sun Sparc
Sun Sparc has its own operation system which was built for it. Thats got nothing to do with windows.
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No, it doesn't need a "clean" thank you, only Windows needs that. What a friggin' dip shit.
HAHAHAHA so Linux magically diverts the dust away?
I think you have been reading too much linux propaganda.
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Ferrous Cranus is utterly impervious to reason, persuasion and new ideas, and when engaged in battle he will not yield an inch in his position regardless of its hopelessness. Though his thrusts are decisively repulsed, his arguments crushed in every detail and his defenses demolished beyond repair he will remount the same attack again and again with only the slightest variation in tactics. Sometimes out of pure frustration Philosopher will try to explain to him the failed logistics of his situation, or Therapist will attempt to penetrate the psychological origins of his obduracy, but, ever unfathomable, Ferrous Cranus cannot be moved
Perfect explanation of the fuckMicrosoft.com people
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Originally posted by Fibre0p:
btw tell me what "leaps and bounds" linux has achieved over the last ten years? new hardware support?
You been living under a rock right? There is no other explenation for it.
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Ok,
This thread has degenerated into stupidity.
Ironically FiberOp beggins to resemble that Ferus Cranus crap which he apperantly think's is so whitty (even though it dosn't decline right, and uses an incorect analogy).
So Calum, dump this useless thread before it get's any longer it's takeing up to much damn space.
And FiberOp, get out of here, your just trolling and you know it.
[ October 02, 2002: Message edited by: psyjax ]
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Originally posted by Fibre0p:
FibreAss, I would like to see how compatible Windows is with Sun Sparc
Sun Sparc has its own operation system which was built for it. Thats got nothing to do with windows.
Just like my AMD has it's own operating system built for it, Linux, which also happens to run on Sparc, PPC, MIPS, Alpha, etc, etc, etc...
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Originally posted by Fibre0p:
HAHAHAHA so Linux magically diverts the dust away?
I think you have been reading too much linux propaganda.
Duh, dust has never been a problem for me. Maybe it is where you live with all those dingos running around your server room.
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quote:
Originally posted by Fibre0p:
Ferrous Cranus is utterly impervious to reason, persuasion and new ideas, and when engaged in battle he will not yield an inch in his position regardless of its hopelessness. Though his thrusts are decisively repulsed, his arguments crushed in every detail and his defenses demolished beyond repair he will remount the same attack again and again with only the slightest variation in tactics. Sometimes out of pure frustration Philosopher will try to explain to him the failed logistics of his situation, or Therapist will attempt to penetrate the psychological origins of his obduracy, but, ever unfathomable, Ferrous Cranus cannot be moved
Perfect explanation of the fuckMicrosoft.com people
You've obviously been raped by a pack of dingos, and liked it.
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Originally posted by void main:
You've obviously been raped by a pack of dingos, and liked it.
Somebody please Can this thread!!!
Even void is breaking down into shit slinging, a rare sight indeed!
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Originally posted by psyjax:
So Calum, dump this useless thread before it get's any longer it's takeing up to much damn space.
And FiberOp, get out of here, your just trolling and you know it.
I think it should be kept open. It's a nice little container of shit, sort of like a bathroom. Don't want people shitting in the living room because the bathroom door is locked. (http://smile.gif)
[ October 02, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]
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And FiberOp, get out of here, your just trolling and you know it.
im not trolling, im voicing my opinion. Much like "fuckMicrosoft" is doing.
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Redhat 8.0 has Radeon 9700 Support Right off the install (http://smile.gif)
It is Faster.
it has not crashed.. yet
Smoother and friendlier Interface
(The Wife has installed it we are playing.. Looks good)
Doom III is gonna run good :D
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I'll find out very soon. Finishing up the burn of the 3rd RH8 install CD and then it's over to VMware to do a test install of RH8 under Vmware running on RH7.3. I like to do a test install to make sure my CDs are good and to see what a clean install looks like before doing an "upgrade" on all my other machines...
[ October 02, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]
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Actually FibreOp is not trolling. He is trying to get the attention that he cannot get from his family or the people he knows. He is probably 20 years old at the most, probably younger. He's having problems with his homelife, not to mention his peers. It would probably be safe to say that he's been involved in "counseling". He's not dumb, but he's very troubled. Even with the negative feedback we give him, it's still the best human interaction he can hope for right now.It's kinda sad, some of his posts are basically the,"I know you are but what am I" format. I think he still goes to school, where he has at most five people he interacts with. Yeah, he has some computer experience, but I really think it probably is only casual interest. Computers are probably the only link he has with the few people he talks to. He is more concerned about just reaching out to people trying to make contact. Obviously, a person who reverts to the third person when referring to himself has some problems relating socially. This will blow over eventually. :(
[ October 02, 2002: Message edited by: RudeCat7 ]
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Originally posted by Fibre0p:
im not trolling, im voicing my opinion. Much like "fuckMicrosoft" is doing.
No, your being stubern and inflamatory in the sole interest of provoking a reaction.
You have already made your silly opinions known. You have gotten plenty of replies to your innane comentary.
Your Trolling, now get lost.
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"jtpenrod, i would like to see how compatable linux is with a sony vaio"
Here's the data for the computer in question: quote:
Intel
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interesting that he comes here and calls us "Iron Heads" when he cant deal with the fact that most people here do not want to conform the fat cat standard M$. sorry bud we like our PC's stable....
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Originally posted by Calum:
the moron posted from 210.49.230.33 and 211.28.96.70. Must be on dialup. i bet he's not in cuba though... is it windows xp loser? could be...
No, I have no relation to this moron.
(http://smile.gif) :( (http://redface.gif) :D ;) (http://tongue.gif) :cool: :rolleyes:
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Hey fuckturd Fibre0p How come my ABIT AT7 works with RH 7.2 7.3 when on the manual of the mobo it stated that this mobo is for Win only?
How come my USB NIC card had on the box "Supported OS: WINx W2K XP" and linux no where to be found, yet it works with RH 7.2 and 7.3.
Am just wondering.
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bazooka, the mobo would have said "designed for windows", and heres a quote from theregister.co.uk about redhat's controversial gui "bluecurve"...
"If Linux is to make an impact in the desktop market, it needs to lose its techie image."
thats exactly right, thats what im trying to put forward, oh and thanks for researching what "Ferrous Cranus" meant buddy, shows you wasted some of your time for me =)
Fibre0p
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From Nudecat7
Actually FibreOp is not trolling. He is trying to get the attention that he cannot get from his family or the people he knows. He is probably 20 years old at the most, probably younger. He's having problems with his homelife, not to mention his peers. It would probably be safe to say that he's been involved in "counseling". He's not dumb, but he's very troubled. Even with the negative feedback we give him, it's still the best human interaction he can hope for right now.It's kinda sad, some of his posts are basically the,"I know you are but what am I" format. I think he still goes to school, where he has at most five people he interacts with. Yeah, he has some computer experience, but I really think it probably is only casual interest. Computers are probably the only link he has with the few people he talks to. He is more concerned about just reaching out to people trying to make contact. Obviously, a person who reverts to the third person when referring to himself has some problems relating socially. This will blow over eventually.
my explanation of you...
You can be highly annoying and therefore very effective. Instead of making a frontal attack, you attempt to shift the focus of the conflict to the combatants' psychological motivations and problems. you will freely speculate about other peoples insecurities, personalities and relationships but you will almost never directly engage the subject of dispute. Therefore known as a "therapist"
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NudeCat,
oh, I guess your not here, probably playing your daily game of Mah Jong, or at the monthly canasta club meeting.
Fibre0p
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How come my USB NIC card had on the box "Supported OS: WINx W2K XP" and linux no where to be found
It's because the manufacturer will forever be answering support calls and trying to explain how to recompile the kernel over the phone.
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From Rudecat:
WTF?!
I switched just so I could do what I needed to do! I got fucking fed up with IE locking up, the printer spooler getting corrupted, office crashing, and the whole box freezing because, how dare I?, I wanted to shut down!!!!
Its not a problem for me, havn't had a "freeze" when i tried to shut down in 2k.
Oh and try exiting your applications before you shut down, and delete the print jobs or they will be there when you boot up again
:D
btw the main file server where i work is NT4 and has 400 day uptime. HP NetServer, also have a VPN server running win2k terminal server and has been up for 100+ days.
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notice that you are now the only person posting in this topic.
may i just say though that it was not mentioned anywhere that recompiling your kernel was necessary to make this windows only piece of hardware work. you are spewing shit out of your mouth and discrediting yourself even further. People can spot a liar a mile away. i would stick to facts if you want to be taken at all seriously.
I find that much of the hardware that you can install in linux does not even need you to restart your machine after installation. Compare that with my CDRW which needs two system reboots to install in windows. Windows itself needs to be rebooted five times when i install it and its drivers, linux needed rebooting NO times to install not only the system but all the necessary drivers AND several hundred applications.
here's ten pence, start saving up for a life, FibreOp.
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[ October 03, 2002: Message edited by: Calum ]
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im afraid 10 pence is no good over here :\ got some AUD cash?
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hey btw my LG 32x CDRW didn't need any drivers... since when do they need drivers? i didn't have to reboot either.... and when Windows.Net comes out, one of its main features is "not needing to reboot" after driver installations and application installations
:eek:
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Originally posted by Fibre0p:
hey btw my LG 32x CDRW didn't need any drivers... since when do they need drivers?
you moron. everything needs drivers. You mean it was plug and play or some such crap, meaning the drivers get bundled with the OS. quote:
i didn't have to reboot either.... and when Windows.Net comes out, one of its main features is "not needing to reboot" after driver installations and application installations
:eek:
what is this crap? the reasons windows needs to reboot is due to its central registry (this is also one of the main reasons for firstly its instability since many apps can be accessing the same registry at once, and secondly its insecurity, since, again, an app could access another app's stuff) needing closed and reopened, and secondly due to its inefficient use of RAM.
i was under the impression that the registry was a necessary feature of a windows OS. they would have to begin the whole thing again and model it on a unix system to eliminate this problem and then all previous windows programs would be nonfunctional on the new system.
now the only other way to make sure windows does not need a reboot to install stuff is to make the system update the registry on the fly. This is done to a certain extent in the current versions of windows, and if they continue along this road (and this is in fact what i think they will do), they can only expect greater instability as a result of excessive registry errors.
Good luck with your new windows .NET, which i hear you will be renting rather than buying, so that when they stop renting it to you in three years you will be forced to upgrade to the next version, however i will stick with my stable, free, secure and completely legal operating system of choice, Mandrake Linux, thank you very much.
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Oh boy, I can be highly annoying....No shit Sherlock!
Anyhow, it's just you posting here, Your brain can't really handle more than one thought at a time, can it? You read a little, then you post, then you read some more, then you post. Even XP Luser thinks you
re a
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MORON
That is pretty fucked up. And as far as attacking you personally, I just wanted others to not waste their time on you, because it's obvious you just want attention. There's no other reason you would just come here to post such inflammatory statements, which are quite ignorant to say the least, they don't even make sense. You don't know anything about Linux, regardless of what you say. I doubt you are even an advanced user in windows,you are just a sad little boy with a computer, and an internet connection. Why don't you go hit linuxnewbie.org, they're more at your level, they'll cringe when they see your "mighty" posts, you'll own them there.
FbrOp: Linux sux, I am Kewl!
NEWBIE: Eeeek! it's FbrOp! Don't mess with him!
FbrOp: I own you! XP rules!
NEWBIE: Maybe he's right, I'm gonna save up $200 bucks and get XP
FbrOp: Ur All Lamerz!!!!!
NEWBIE: FbrOp, can you tell me how to install Window blinds for XP?
FbrOp: Linux sux, I am Kewl! Look at me! Look at me! Look at me! Look at me!Look at me!Look at me!Look at me!Look at me!Look at me!Look at me!Look at me!Look at me!Look at me!Look at me!Look at me!Look at me!Look at me!Look at me!Look at me!Look at me!Look at me!Look at me!Look at me! I am getting attention!
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Oh and try exiting your applications before you shut down, and delete the print jobs or they will be there when you boot up again
Hey! Thanks! Now you're catching on! The linux tip O the day.
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Can you people quit replying to this idiot's drivel. It's wearing on my nerves. I don't know why you are wasting your time. He is just a TROLL.
Can someone dump this thread in the Dead Thread Zone already.
This FiberCok guy is a windoid. Who gives a shit. some people are coprapheliacs, let him do what he want's and like it (sick fuck).
But please, PLEASE, can someone abandon this now innane and useless thread.
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Not just MY nerves BTW. Crap like this dosn't look good, especially to new visitors. This thread has become truely useless.. i think any objective examination of it will reveal this to be true.
[ October 04, 2002: Message edited by: psyjax ]
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okay, okay, but it is the windows forum and you know there's a lot of moronic shit in here from windoids.
also i don't think this thread has reached its end yet, if i close it, fibreop will probably just start another one. let's leave it for now.
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leave this open. Its hilarious when everyone stops replying and Fibre0p starts replying to himself and has a conversation.
And he is NOT fucking WinXP LUser!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
fucking winXP users ISPs neblock is 209.209.***.***
he has a dynamic IP.
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as i write this this post is post 119 in this topic! now the other longest ever topic (the hidden files one) took months to get to this size, whereas this one took only a week or two! how could i have the heart to close it?
also, yes FibreOp is the new village idiot here i think! :D
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Hey void main, i know you are basically the most respected person on here and uve helped me out before not knowing it but back on page 4 u made a bit a shite sling at aussies and beleive me australia is actually a great country and there isnt any dingos running around, althou optus does suck huge ballz.
Also this fibrefuck guy. well do i even need to talk about him youve aleady covered him in shit lol.
Ermmm thats about it really i guess ill cyas in the Linux forum...
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Originally posted by Doogee:
back on page 4 u made a bit a shite sling at aussies and beleive me australia is actually a great country and there isnt any dingos running around, althou optus does suck huge ballz.
Shit man, I'm sorry about that. I was just being a copy cat of another Windows spammer that used to roam these forums and used to make the dingo comments. I certainly don't have anything against Australia and would love to visit one day. My nephew spent a year over there as an exchange student. He didn't want to come back. (http://smile.gif)
My brother-in-law and sister-in-law went over for a month to visit him and travel around. They brought back lots of cool pictures and had nothing but great things to say about the people and the country. I'll try not to make this mistake again as I know how I hate it when people slam my country.
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"shite sling!" i love the australians! (i am engaged to one! ;) )
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go suck bill gates's cock and get XPeriance tattood to ur arse LINUX RULES ive been using linux 4 only a few months i have had one crash and that was my falult for trying to get it to crash u probably couldent install it you gay little prick.
(apoligies 4 the bad language it was needed)
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