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Title: Which is worse, Microsoft or AOL?
Post by: Ctrl Alt Del 123 on 14 April 2002, 07:34: I vote for AOL, because it took me 3 hours to delete my free account that I had to use when my main ISP cut out. That and their service truely sucks.
Title: Which is worse, Microsoft or AOL?
Post by: Gooseberry Clock on 14 April 2002, 17:38: AOL=-1,000,000 points
Title: Which is worse, Microsoft or AOL?
Post by: Calum on 14 April 2002, 17:54: Sony,

no wait! intel,

no hang on, Nestle...
Title: Which is worse, Microsoft or AOL?
Post by: Master of Reality on 15 April 2002, 01:08: evil rankings:
1.The Government
2.Microsoft
3.AOL/Time Warner
4.Record Company scum (all of them are evil)
5.Brilliant Digital
6.NBC
7.The Telephone Company
8.Cable/Satelite provider
9.Sony
10.FORD
11.Honda

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Title: Which is worse, Microsoft or AOL?
Post by: Gooseberry Clock on 15 April 2002, 02:32: What have you got against Yamaha? I have a Yamaha sound card.
Title: Which is worse, Microsoft or AOL?
Post by: Master of Reality on 15 April 2002, 02:49: quote:
Originally posted by Gooseberry Clock:
What have you got against Yamaha? I have a Yamaha sound card.

personal reasons... but they shouldnt be in the top ten, more like 40th

[ April 14, 2002: Message edited by: Master of Reality ]
Title: Which is worse, Microsoft or AOL?
Post by: voidmain on 15 April 2002, 04:15: Hey, I've got four Yamaha motorcycles and am happy with them all. I have had Yamaha guitars in the past and they are ok.
Title: Which is worse, Microsoft or AOL?
Post by: Master of Reality on 15 April 2002, 05:00: quote:
Originally posted by VoidMain:
Hey, I've got four Yamaha motorcycles and am happy with them all. I have had Yamaha guitars in the past and they are ok.

dirt bikes?
My uncle has a harley street machine, and it kicks ass. I probly will never get one, but if i do get a bike it'll be a harley.
Title: Which is worse, Microsoft or AOL?
Post by: HPC GUY on 15 April 2002, 05:11: AOL accounts for about 30% of the repairs my store does. Aol is shit. they must have shit programmers and done absolutley zero research on the reprocussions that their software has on about 90% of the industiries machines. Not a smart business practice...
Title: Which is worse, Microsoft or AOL?
Post by: voidmain on 15 April 2002, 21:49: quote:
Originally posted by Master of Reality:

dirt bikes?
My uncle has a harley street machine, and it kicks ass. I probly will never get one, but if i do get a bike it'll be a harley.

Well, I have 3 dirt bikes and one street bike. A 2001 YZ-250, and my son has a 2002 YZ-85 that he almost killed himself on today. And I have an old 1976 DT-175 Enduro that I got new when I was a kid. Then I have an old 1983 650 Special That I didn't even get out of the garage last year. I can't imagine ever getting a Harley.

I'm in to racing and I like American made cars but Harleys are nothing but a status symbol, and an expensive one at that. Having said that we do get a few Harleys at our hill climbs. Those guys have a few screws loose if you ask me. (http://smile.gif)
Title: Which is worse, Microsoft or AOL?
Post by: mskarl on 15 April 2002, 21:53: quote:
Originally posted by VoidMain:

Well, I have 3 dirt bikes and one street bike. A 2001 YZ-250, and my son has a 2002 YZ-85 that he almost killed himself on today. And I have an old 1976 DT-175 Enduro that I got new when I was a kid. Then I have an old 1983 650 Special That I didn't even get out of the garage last year. I can't imagine ever getting a Harley.

I'm in to racing and I like American made cars but Harleys are nothing but a status symbol, and an expensive one at that. Having said that we do get a few Harleys at our hill climbs. Those guys have a few screws loose if you ask me. (http://smile.gif)

In total agreement. I own a 2001 YZ250 also. Mostly stock except FLY bars and Clamps. But Harleys are build crappy. Look at the welds on a Harley and then look at any Jap bike. They got us there!!
Title: Which is worse, Microsoft or AOL?
Post by: voidmain on 15 April 2002, 10:00: quote:
Originally posted by Anti M$:
In total agreement. I own a 2001 YZ250 also. Mostly stock except FLY bars and Clamps. But Harleys are build crappy. Look at the welds on a Harley and then look at any Jap bike. They got us there!!

Cool! Do you race? I just got back in to dirt riding last year after about a 20 year break and we're having a blast. We do a lot of woods riding. We're in a club that sponors a lot of AMA races. Hare Scrambles, Enduros and Hill Climbs mostly. We have a lot of guys in the club that motocross all over the country. My bike is about as stock as they get, except for some Pro-Bend brush bars. They help keep all the fingers attached when you bounce off trees.
Title: Which is worse, Microsoft or AOL?
Post by: cahult on 15 April 2002, 16:43: Interesting,

Yamaha started out in the 1870s making pianos.

Nokia started out as a lumber shipping company then turned to other more profitable business areas.

Ericsson was the inventor of the modern telephone handle.

IBM was the inventor of computer trash talk (anyone read about one of its executives saying the world market for computers would at most be five?).

Apple was the inventor of the modern personal computer, please note MODERN.

What
Title: Which is worse, Microsoft or AOL?
Post by: Master of Reality on 15 April 2002, 19:53: quote:
Originally posted by X11:
Ford is good. A0L is bad Microsoft is very bad.

Why Microsoft is bad:
1 - Windows can cause mental problems.
2 - Windows is crap.
3 - Microsoft Mice fail every 2 months.
4 - Microsoft want to own everything.
5 - Age of Empire's II is Crap compared to Cossacks

Why do you say ford is good? The only decent car they made was the mustang (and the old T-bird) and the rest of their cars are crap. Even when the copied the Chev El Camino, they didnt do it right, have you seen the Ranchero.. its so damn ugly. Chev on the other and... they make sweet cars (and trucks), but GMC makes the best trucks.
My dream cars are still either a McLaren F1, Hummer, 1970's Hemi-Cuda. Lamborghini's are pretty sweet too (but who can afford one of those)
Title: Which is worse, Microsoft or AOL?
Post by: psyjax on 15 April 2002, 20:19: quote:
Originally posted by cahult:
What
Title: Which is worse, Microsoft or AOL?
Post by: Calum on 15 April 2002, 23:30: quote:
Originally posted by cahult:
What
Title: Which is worse, Microsoft or AOL?
Post by: psyjax on 15 April 2002, 23:39: I think AOL is the most potentialy dangerous company right now considering how much information they actually control.

I have to pick M$ over them however, because M$ has the potential and desire to dominate the largest information source in the universe, Computers and the internet.

If it wasn't for the fact that AOL is against M$, they would surely be on the top of the list.
Title: Which is worse, Microsoft or AOL?
Post by: Gooseberry Clock on 15 April 2002, 23:42: quote:
Originally posted by psyjax:
anyone remember the MSX?
I have an MSX emulator.
Title: Which is worse, Microsoft or AOL?
Post by: psyjax on 16 April 2002, 00:06: quote:
Originally posted by Gooseberry Clock:
I have an MSX emulator.

yep me too.

The only game I run on it is the translation Hack of Metal Gear 2! It's such an awsome game, as good as solid with less graphics (of cource).
Title: Which is worse, Microsoft or AOL?
Post by: Phantom Menace on 17 April 2002, 22:40: quote:
Originally posted by Master of Reality:

dirt bikes?
My uncle has a harley street machine, and it kicks ass. I probly will never get one, but if i do get a bike it'll be a harley.

Yeah, my uncle's got a Harley too, and status symbol or not, it sure beats a Yamaha. Jap bikes are just plain ugly in my opinion.
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I'd rather push my Harley than ride a rice burner.
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Back to the subject, Microsoft gets my vote for worst company.

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Title: Which is worse, Microsoft or AOL?
Post by: Master of Reality on 18 April 2002, 00:14: quote:
Originally posted by Phantom Menace:

Yeah, my uncle's got a Harley too, and status symbol or not, it sure beats a Yamaha. Jap bikes are just plain ugly in my opinion.
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I'd rather push my Harley than ride a rice burner.
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Back to the subject, Microsoft gets my vote for worst company.

[ April 17, 2002: Message edited by: Phantom Menace ]

welcome to fuckmicrosoft.com!!
yes i must abmit that harleys are the most extravagant looking bikes. The polished crome, the harley emblem, the sound of the exhaust, its all beutiful. Except dont take the muffler off... i know people who have gotten arrested for disturbing the peace, because their bike was too loud.

I personally like those big trikes, with the front wheel that sticks out in front.
Title: Which is worse, Microsoft or AOL?
Post by: Slacker on 18 April 2002, 00:34: Aol. By far aol. AOL wants to rule the world. Their parent company is the owner of time-warner cable, warner bro's and many other.. Fuck who knows.. they probably do rule the world
Title: Which is worse, Microsoft or AOL?
Post by: Gooseberry Clock on 18 April 2002, 01:43: fuckAOL.com, here we come!

fuckGlitter.com would also be appreciated.

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Title: Which is worse, Microsoft or AOL?
Post by: ravuya on 18 April 2002, 03:58: quote:
Originally posted by psyjax:

yep me too.

The only game I run on it is the translation Hack of Metal Gear 2! It's such an awsome game, as good as solid with less graphics (of cource).

Someone did a translation? linky linky!
Title: Which is worse, Microsoft or AOL?
Post by: ravuya on 18 April 2002, 03:59: quote:
Originally posted by Gooseberry Clock:
fuckAOL.com, here we come!

fuckGlitter.com would also be appreciated.

[ April 17, 2002: Message edited by: Gooseberry Clock ]

aolwatch.org
Title: Which is worse, Microsoft or AOL?
Post by: psyjax on 18 April 2002, 06:10: quote:
Originally posted by Ravuya:
Someone did a translation? linky linky!

http://www.msxnet.org/gtinter/mgear2us.htm (http://www.msxnet.org/gtinter/mgear2us.htm)

I belive this is it.

The game is excelent. Right up there with Metal Gear Solid for PSX ( I havent played the PSX2 one but hear it ain't that great, Solid Snake with a mullet looks dumb anyway (http://tongue.gif) ).

This game is esentialy Metal Gear Solid with (real nice) tiled graphics. A must have for any fan.
Title: Which is worse, Microsoft or AOL?
Post by: sEkToR on 13 May 2002, 06:25: they both really suck, but id have to say i hate aol more... did u know www.fuckaol.com (http://www.fuckaol.com) and www.fuckamericaonline.com (http://www.fuckamericaonline.com) is owned by aol, there isnt a site up, but they still own the domain so no1 else can take it :eek:
Title: Which is worse, Microsoft or AOL?
Post by: TheQuirk on 15 May 2002, 21:12: Didn't microsoft invent the talking paper clip?
Title: Which is worse, Microsoft or AOL?
Post by: Calum on 15 May 2002, 15:16: quote:
Originally posted by TheQuirk:
Didn't microsoft invent the talking paper clip?

AHA!!!!! this is it!! you have finally thought of something Microsoft came up with themselves that is totally original and not ripped off from anybody else!!! (i think...)
Title: Which is worse, Microsoft or AOL?
Post by: davy141 on 15 May 2002, 16:04: AOL is worse, they control everything you do to much.

I vote Microsoft on this topic.

Davy...
Title: Which is worse, Microsoft or AOL?
Post by: Ctrl Alt Del 123 on 16 May 2002, 01:55: I can make a paper clip talk, just get really high, not hard to do.
Title: Which is worse, Microsoft or AOL?
Post by: Master of Reality on 16 May 2002, 06:17: i can make a paper clip talk too... i will torture him till he talks (http://smile.gif) chinese water torture works well. :D
Title: Which is worse, Microsoft or AOL?
Post by: TheQuirk on 16 May 2002, 08:05: I was almost correct!
From http://www.vcnet.com/bms/departments/innovation.shtml (http://www.vcnet.com/bms/departments/innovation.shtml)

"Microsoft BOB. This attempt to produce a "social interface" for the PC met with an unfavorable reception in the marketplace. Users chose an "interactive" cartoon character assistant, and cartoons represented household items such as checkbook, telephone, books, etc. Despite its failure as a commercial product, the key elements of BOB (cartoons, imaginary characters designed to act as helpful guides, and animations) have been inserted into Microsoft Office97 as "user help."

Ah, but does this long-standing (if dubious) innovation still pass muster? Several readers recently cast doubt. According to one, Packard Bell Navigator was a "social interface" included as the default shell with their computers running Windows 3.1 and early versions of Windows 95. Another reader suggests two games as the source of cartoon user feedback: Electronic Arts "Chuck Yeager's Air Combat" from the early 1990s and Chris Crawford's "Patton vs. Rommel" (1986-7), both of which provided cartoon feedback. This nomination once looked solid, but is now teetering on the edge of rejection. [9 Jan 99] [TOP]

The Talking Paper Clip. The cartoon assistant in Office97. See also "Microsoft BOB." Looks like an innovation, but wait -- it seems Microsoft may have obtained the idea for the Paper Clip Assistant in Office 97 from a company called Inner Workings. In September 1996, Inner Workings demonstrated a similar assistant for Windows called "Lemon Dog." For Office 2000, Microsoft actually went further and cloned Lemon Dog, calling it Microsoft's "Rocky the Dog." Inner Workings filed a trademark infringement suit. [21 March 1999]"
Title: Which is worse, Microsoft or AOL?
Post by: ecsyle_one on 16 May 2002, 21:39: The more that i become involved in computers, the more i look for alternatives to microsoft... But, i have a problem. I use 3D Studio Max, and macromedia, adobe products. I know i could get the Macromedia/ Adobe softwarez if i go with Apple. But what about Max?? My question is, am i stuck with windows?
Title: Which is worse, Microsoft or AOL?
Post by: psyjax on 16 May 2002, 10:28: quote:
Originally posted by ecsyle_one:
The more that i become involved in computers, the more i look for alternatives to microsoft... But, i have a problem. I use 3D Studio Max, and macromedia, adobe products. I know i could get the Macromedia/ Adobe softwarez if i go with Apple. But what about Max?? My question is, am i stuck with windows?

You can get better than Max, you can get Lightwave or Maya!

Both these products are Altivec enhanced and are blowing away reviewers. Max is cool, but Maya and Lightwave are WAY better.

So if you go with Apple, you will go a long way :D

But I'm a Mac Zelot.

Not that I don't use other OS's. I use Linux from time to time, and I recently procured a windoze box (150$ AMD 1800 (http://smile.gif) ) to play games on.

NOTE: I didn't pay M$ a cent and I hope they die! I wouldent have even got a PC had it not been so dirt cheep.

But for the majority of my computing, which involves hevy graphics work, I use my Mac and would never think of using anything else for it. That's my pice.

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Title: Which is worse, Microsoft or AOL?
Post by: ecsyle_one on 16 May 2002, 10:46: thanks. Yeah, max is cool & easy to use. But maya is better. and they droped the price to like $2,000. Im almost willing to buy it at that price. I had planned on getting a mac this summer, so it looks like i am heading in the right direction. I wasnt even aware that maya ran on a mac. Cool. Thanks again.
Title: Which is worse, Microsoft or AOL?
Post by: psyjax on 16 May 2002, 11:11: quote:
Originally posted by ecsyle_one:
thanks. Yeah, max is cool & easy to use. But maya is better. and they droped the price to like $2,000. Im almost willing to buy it at that price. I had planned on getting a mac this summer, so it looks like i am heading in the right direction. I wasnt even aware that maya ran on a mac. Cool. Thanks again.

Maya has an educational discount that sets the price at like 300 or so. Plus they have the free learning edition, which is a fully fetured packadge, it has a special licence tho that says yu can't profit from the work you make with it or something like that.

Something you may want to think about.

Also, I see no problem in bootleging a program like this if you don't have the money. I mean, that way you will be able to learn and use the software till you become compitent enugh in it where actually purchasing it is economicaly fesable.

As long as your ethical enugh to buy it once your ready to produce with it, I don't see piracy as a problem.

Some representatives from AW, Adobe, and even M$ came over to my school a while ago and the question of piracy came up.

The "off the record" answer was that they really didn't care. They rather people had a chance to learn the software, especially if they were students and such. They make most of their profits from big publishing, and animation houses anyway. Keeping trach of licences in that situation is alot more feesable and logical than chasing down every kid who wanted to touch up a picture or two.
Title: Which is worse, Microsoft or AOL?
Post by: voidmain on 16 May 2002, 12:22: Found On Road Dead
Fix Or Repair Daily
Fucked Over Rebuilt Dodge

(Sorry, nothing against Ford, just like those sayings).

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Title: Which is worse, Microsoft or AOL?
Post by: pkd_lives on 17 May 2002, 08:49: To the topic in hand, AOL may be considered evil - I certainly think so, it seems to be the nature of big business.

But this site is the difference between not liking a company and it's practices, and hating a company. With Arseholes On Laxatives (cos they spout a lot of shite - ha ha...oh dear), I have the choice.

PARAPHRASE (badly):

Choose Hedkandi, choose new authors, choose sitting in the theatre watching strange surreal foreign films like Brotherhood of The Wolf, choose live gigs and clubs, choose classical, jazz, and anything you like as long as it's artist supported, choose creativity, choose independence, choose not to use their internet services, CHOOSE A LIFE MY FRIENDS.

But with M$ we have been forced to comply, because they abused the trust given to a company to operate freely, because they have essentially abused their position to try to force us into a world of NT and .NET, and trying to buy up the worlds art, and piracy, and who knows what else.

IT's simple, hate AOL all you like, you can go elsewhere, but FUCKMICROSOFT. :mad:
Title: Which is worse, Microsoft or AOL?
Post by: Lindy on 19 May 2002, 21:17: Which is worse M$ or AOL should be which is worse M$, AOL or hell. The reason why? Who goes to hell?... Sinners. Who gets windows & AOL?...Every poor sap who buys a new computer. Which is worse?
I'd say M$ & AOL, hell is far more disriminating about who it tortures for eternity. (http://smile.gif)
Title: Which is worse, Microsoft or AOL?
Post by: Ctrl Alt Del 123 on 20 May 2002, 08:02: I still vote AOL is worse. AOL is everywhere, they distribute AOL CDs to my house, my e-mail, and add all kinda crap to my PC with AIM. Atleast with MS, you can go with another OS and they don't bother you as much.
Title: Which is worse, Microsoft or AOL?
Post by: pkd_lives on 20 May 2002, 08:42: Ever heard of return to sender. Just send it back as undelivered, they pay for it's shipment again, and it has to be dealt with back there.

I did this once with an insurance company, because I was getting tons of crap, and after a few months, the stuff stopped coming.

EVERYONE SHOULD DO THIS WITH ALL PERSONALLY ADDRESSED JUNKMAIL, unless it comes from a company you wish to be dealing with.

A little proactivity can go a long way. Spread the word. The more people who do it, the more companies may stop this practice, however it can also tell them they have received a valid address - it's up to you.

P.S. Don't reply to e-mails, it only gives them verification of another address they can sell. You don't want to be appearing in that CD for sale of 60 million e-mail addesses.

Actually - does anyone get M$ Junkmail? I'm not sure I've ever seen any.
Title: Which is worse, Microsoft or AOL?
Post by: Seeking000 on 6 June 2002, 13:11: I have never been bothered by AOL in my entire internet life. I have recieved the AOL CD's in the mail, on the cereal box, between the toilet paper ply's, in the candy bar, taped to the back of bottled water containers etc ... just like everyone else; but I toss them.

Microsoft OTOH keeps me bound by the fact that I play a variety of high-end MMORPG's, which only work with that OS. Microsoft also keeps me bound by the advent of MS (explorer) only veiwable websites. Microsoft used extremely false practices for intimidating all Quest (formerly USWest) subscribers to switch to them after Quest dropped their residential ISP services. I was one of the ones who believed that I actually _had_ to switch to MSN.net, like many, many thousands more. The local newspaper and news stations even had an article on the issue 4 months later, blasting Microsoft!

One of my favorite parts of my old Quest account was the news reader servers. Microsoft laughed in my face when I inquired about theirs. It has been a dismal switch from a robust server based e-mail system to a web based e-mail system without news reader servers. Don't get me started on cookie hell! There is something _SO_ illegal about Microsoft's internet practices; it's creepy to think about. I have the IE6 trojan horse *sigh*. Is it of absolute necessity that Microsoft take that extra step of immorality and social terrorism on top of making those bucks?

Although, maybe the point of a major media conglomerate like AOL Time-Warner tops it off in a generalized sense (I get so tired of watching the CIA channels, which constitute about 100%).

We're basically in a situation in the US where big business keeps the 'gubmint' in tact as a public relations firm. It's a gross network littered with the logical corruption of 'sub-humans'. How 'dumb' do you have to be to render indentured system axioms in favor of violating the trust of another human being? You might as well commit suicide or die of dehydration / starvation ... the binary derivations do not prove inherent for the logical structures' potentialities in accordance with the actions taken.

-Seeking000
Title: Which is worse, Microsoft or AOL?
Post by: Chooco on 7 June 2002, 14:24: i think AOL is MUCH MUCH worse than MS

MS makes a product which is easy to use and for not that bad a cost (the NT series of OSes meaning NT4, 2k and XP)
AOL makes an easy to use product but their internet sucks balls. Windows NT series OSes are fairly good in terms of speed (they don't need to be reset every day i mean) and they are still easy to use. AOL on the other hand calls itself 56lag internet but it's really SLOWER than 26k. a friend of my dad at work got AOL because his daughter insisted that they needed AOL to use AIM. they got AOL which costs 26 dollars per month, that is the same cost as my 1.5mb ADSL connection, and they said it was just brutal how slow it was. after the daughter found out they can still have AIM on a different ISP, they went to Juno which is only 10 dollars per month and they said the speed increase was just HUGE. they also said they got dropped less.

MS = easy to use, sort of reliable, and easy to work with
AOL = easy to use yet slower than crap and costs more than DSL
Title: Which is worse, Microsoft or AOL?
Post by: iustitia on 12 June 2002, 01:48: quote:
Originally posted by Master of Reality:
evil rankings:
1.The Government
2.Microsoft
3.AOL/Time Warner
4.Record Company scum (all of them are evil)
5.Brilliant Digital
6.NBC
7.The Telephone Company
8.Cable/Satelite provider
9.Sony
10.FORD
11.Honda

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NBC is the child of GE, now I don't perticularly like NBC, but if they were seperated companies, I would say GE is 100x worse. I noticed they didn't appear on the list
Title: Which is worse, Microsoft or AOL?
Post by: choasforages on 12 June 2002, 03:31: what, harley, or yamaha, the tech-ed teacher at my highschool built an indy-cycle, that thing was pretty damned cool, it has like to wheels in the front and one in the back

well on the aol/microsoft issue, just pick whichever one that rapes your computer less and go with them
Title: Which is worse, Microsoft or AOL?
Post by: sporkme on 12 June 2002, 07:01: which is worse, aol or microsoft?

yes
Title: Which is worse, Microsoft or AOL?
Post by: killerduckuk on 18 June 2002, 16:00: I want to vote for AOL. I had AOL once :( . it was shit. It fucked up all of my PC (mabey cos i have windows 98) and their service was very slow. Oh and another thing i have got about 100 AOL free trial disks posted through my door and stuck onto mag covers. This alone is enough to piss anyone off!!!