Stop Microsoft
All Things Microsoft => Microsoft Software => Topic started by: preacher on 6 June 2002, 13:43
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I bought a new computer, which is usually a good thing, but unfortunately it had windows xp on it. I had never used xp, but I had heard that it wasnt nearly as bad as winMe. I decided to try it. After the basic configuration, I was greeted with a stupid annoying dog who dumbed every sentence down and made it seem like the people who buy this type of pc are mentally retarded(only half true). After spending 10 minutes looking for a way to turn the annoying little bastard off, I decided to do what I call "Spring Cleaning", which is where I go to the control panel and delete all the programs that I will never use. I look under add/remove programs, and to my surprise, Windows Media Player and Internet Explorer arent listed. Give me a break. If i dont want to use their bloated half ass proprietary crap, i shouldnt have to. its wasting space on my hard drive. Next I had to get rid of all the desktop icons. Being a linux user, Im not a fan of desktop icons and wanted to delete all but the My Computer and trash, but NO. Instead of me being in charge of whats on my system, microsoft is in charge. So at this point I decide to give xp one more chance. I restart the pc, and guess what greets me. the damn mother fucking talking dog. I turned my 1.8ghz P4 loaded with Windows XP home off more than 2 weeks ago and am currently looking for a "Man's" OS, Im thinking either OpenBSD, or Solaris 8. Some of us just arent meant to use MS products.
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XP is lovely isn't it? I think there is a way to kill that dog, I just don't remember how. And of course you can't remove IE; MS has made so that if you did you wouldn't have a functional XP system anymore. And don't let the upcoming SP1 fool you, all it lets you do is hide MS software and use something else in place of them, it still will not let you uninstall IE or WMP.
If your going to go with either OpenBSD or Solaris, go with OpenBSD. OpenBSD is open source, compatible with Linux, and free. I personaly think that if you're going with a BSD that FreeBSD is a better choice though due to it being easier to install and having more software for it natively.
[ June 06, 2002: Message edited by: Heru ]
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I think that the worst thing about M$'s new OS, is the integration of the Win32 API into the NT kernel, in order to provide a more "stable" and friendly choice to end users. If M$ really wanted a stable operating system, they should definitely stick with the NT kernel which, as far as I'm concerned, was far more stable than the "good" old MS-DOS.
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there's an easy way to kill the talking dog, you make a DOS startup floppy, boot with it in the drive, then type "format c:".
Let's see that fucking dog recover from that one!
The dog is a failed part of the ill-fated "Microsoft Bob" program, an alternative GUI for windows 3.1. This system was aimed at complete dumbasses, and tried its best to be totally different from MacOS. It was a total bomb, which is why hardly anybody remembers it. Rather than actually pay a designer, though, Microsoft have been using elements of Microsoft Bob in their office and systems software ever since.
to find out more:
here's a boring advert for Microsoft bob (http://www.telecommander.com/pics/links/application%20software/microsoft/Microsoft_Bob_1_0/Microsoft_Bob_1_0.htm)
here's an alarming revelation about Microsoft Bob (http://webpages.marshall.edu/~hartwel1/humor/misc/killed_by_microsoft_bob.html)
Here's some guy who thinks Microsoft Bob was a good idea (http://www.post-gazette.com/businessnews/19990523bob6.asp)
and here's a picture of that fucking dog (http://is.gseis.ucla.edu/impact/s97/Focus/Commerce/PROJECTS/aks/bob.jpg) in his original habitat!
[ June 06, 2002: Message edited by: Calum ]
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There is a solution for everything that's not 2000 or XP.(http://www.litepc.com)
Too bad they suspended development for 2000/XP.
IEradicator works for Win2K up to SP1 though!
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hey, good point, but can't you still install winXP on a fat32 partition?
and what would be the correct procedure if you had an XP machine and you wanted to wipe the filesystem off leaving only free space?
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Haven't had to work with XP yet, though I've been told that I'll be down... err... upgraded to XP at work in a few months. Hell, I've just about learned to live with Win98 as a workstation and soon it'll be XP. We have a new IT director who must be on the M$ payroll. Got rid of our good Sun and Digital AlphaVAX servers and converted everything to Win2k servers. No more SunOS5 or OpenVMS. Of course now the network is down regularly. If I didn't still have access to my personal RedHat6.1 server I think that I'd go totally nuts.
As broken as the Win9x OS's are, at least they were still essentially DOS boxes and could be beaten into relative submission through DOS and regedit. This new XP looks to be even worse than WinNT.
Just a quick question for all you experts on this forum... I do need to run some Windows software. it's my job, not a personal preference. Do any of you have direct experience with the Lindows OS? Is it possible to have a good, stable, reliable and rational OS (without having to use a WINE emulator which I've heard can be slow and sometimes unreliable) that will allow me to run software written for Windows?
Oh, about icons. I just have 4 on my Win9x boxes. Main (was my computer), DOS (to open more command line windows), Deleted (was recycle bin), and Network (formerly network neighborhood). I do everything else from the command line. Have 70 or so .bat files in a pathed \batch directory open programs and stuff.
If this is posted in the wrong place or I've stepped on any toes, please cut me a litle slack. it is my first post here.
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hiya, welcome to the forums, don't you find DOS a little stilted though? i suspect the emulated DOS you can expect n yr new XP computer will be even more so.
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Where'd the damn reply button go? Anyway, you don't need to use any stupid M$ format/fdisk utility to wipe out your drive. Linux comes with better ones. When you stick your RedHat (or any other distro) CD in and boot, you can blow away and recreate the existing partitions however you want.
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okay, i've just never done it that way, that's all. i have a mate with a fucked copy of winXP. his registration has run out, even though he has paid for it, and he just wants to get it off his machine and put a dual windows98/mandrake8.2 install on instead. Do you mean this can be done purely from the mandrake CDs? he is not to tech literate, so the dual boot thing may be the sticking point. I was going to give him a DOS boot disk and a disk with some dos utilities for formatting and partitioning, along with the mandrake CDs, should i not bother confusing him with the DOS disks?
[ June 06, 2002: Message edited by: Calum ]
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Originally posted by Calum:
okay, i've just never done it that way, that's all. i have a mate with a fucked copy of winXP. his registration has run out, even though he has paid for it, and he just wants to get it off his machine and put a dual windows98/mandrake8.2 install on instead. Do you mean this can be done purely from the mandrake CDs? he is not to tech literate, so the dual boot thing may be the sticking point. I was going to give him a DOS boot disk and a disk with some dos utilities for formatting and partitioning, along with the mandrake CDs, should i not bother confusing him with the DOS disks?
Well if you are going to dual boot then the general rule of thumb is to install Windows first, then install Linux because Windows has an inferiority complex when there are other things on the drive. In that case you could boot from your Windows CD and blow away the partitions, recreate on the size you want for Windows and leave the rest of the disk for Linux.
If Linux were the only OS to go on the drive then you wouldn't need the other stuff. In fact you "could" do it with Linux but I would suggest forgetting it until after you have Win* installed and you know what to do from there. Sorry, didn't realize you were dual booting...
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yes, well installing linux would be simple, even for him (this guy has never installed an OS, so maybe he's a punter :D ) anyway, his XP installation may be NTFS, so would installing from win98 CD actually work? not sure, which is why we need to use either DOS partitioning tools, or linux installer, so maybe you know if a win98 install can overwrite an NTFS one? or does anybody else?
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You should be able to delete the "unrecognized" partition (which is NTFS) during the Win98 install, or with a boot disk as you originally mentioned.
[ June 06, 2002: Message edited by: VoidMain ]
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ta! ;)
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With you being a Linux user, I find it hard to believe you couldn't do some of the tings you stated. Usually Linux users are knowledgeable people who know their shit, and since you claim to be one, jesus, did you really use the product at all or make this up?
To remove the dog, CLICK ON HIM, and he will greet you with some options, click the one that says "Turn OFF animated character". Not hard to do.
Removing some MS middleware: you didn't mention it, but you will soon. To uninstall Windows Messenger (the worst of all MS's middleware) go start > run > type in RunDll32 advpack.dll,LaunchINFSection %windir%\INF\msmsgs.inf,BLC.Remove and hit Ok.
So far, you can't remove Windows Media Player and it's a bitch to remove IE, however, they both combined are about 4 MB big, they don't take up much space.
By default, XP has NO desktop shortcuts whatsoever except for the Recycle Bin. But since I think you have an OEM copy from your PC manufacture, they have added all kinda crap. Just right click your desktop > properties > go to the Desktop tab > click the "customize button"
brb
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Actually IE takes up around 30 megs of space. Still not a whole lot, but it's annoying. And you can't remove it from XP without serious side effects.
IMO if you're going to use a version of Windows at all, use Windows 2000, and only apply SP1. If you apply SP2, you will not be able to remove IE without serious side effects.
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I was greeted with a stupid annoying dog who dumbed every sentence down and made it seem like the people who buy this type of pc are mentally retarded(only half true).
I wasn't. That dog your speaking of is only found when you do search and can be turned off as easy as this: Right click and hit hide. But I guess thats too hard for you. Whatever animated chars in XP are not nearly as gay as the Mac Face. *shudder*.
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I look under add/remove programs, and to my surprise, Windows Media Player and Internet Explorer arent listed. Give me a break.
Hit add/remove Windows Components. Wow that was tough.
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Being a linux user, Im not a fan of desktop icons and wanted to delete all but the My Computer and trash, but NO.
Mine came with only the Recycle Bin at the very bottom right corner. You bought the sick defaced version that is pre-loaded with horse shit that the OEM provides. And also, I have lots of desktop icons on my linux machine that came default like Home and around 5 SuSE icons.
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I restart the pc, and guess what greets me. the damn mother fucking talking dog.
I find this very, very, very hard to beleive, You must have "search" under the startup folder, and God knows why someone put it there.
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or Solaris 8
Please, please DONT!
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Heru: XP is lovely isn't it? I think there is a way to kill that dog, I just don't remember how
Is 2 buttons really that hard to remember? Seems alot easier than the bajillion linux commands you are required to type in to even use the machine.
Oh and for "mother fucking talking dog", KDE has that god awful dragon that pisses me off every time I see his fuckin' neck tie with a big fat K on it.
WORK IT ALL OFF
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Originally posted by Cocaine Elephant:
Oh and for "mother fucking talking dog", KDE has that god awful dragon that pisses me off every time I see his fuckin' neck tie with a big fat K on it.
Dragon??.... you sure you werent on cocaine at the time?
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Originally posted by VoidMain:
You should be able to delete the "unrecognized" partition (which is NTFS) during the Win98 install, or with a boot disk as you originally mentioned.
[ June 06, 2002: Message edited by: VoidMain ]
the win98 install program doesnt have any kind of partition tool or anything. If you dont have a fat with enough space it just simply aborts the install. Even if you do have enough space 7 times outta 10 it will say that you dont have enough space and abort. I tried to isntall win98 on another computer with a 6 Gig HD and it said that there wasnt enough space. I re-partitioned it at least 6 times to try and get it to work, but it didnt.
You have to use fdisk off the strtup disk to remove the NTFS partition (in FDISK its called 'unrecognized') and create a new windows partition (the only one fdisk can create is vfat).
[ June 06, 2002: Message edited by: Master of Reality / Bob ]
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Mine does, but I created my own Win98 install CD. I forgot that the retail version doesn't (well, at least I'm not going to dig it out to look at any rate).
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Originally posted by Ctrl Alt Del 123:
With you being a Linux user, I find it hard to believe you couldn't do some of the tings you stated. Usually Linux users are knowledgeable people who know their shit, and since you claim to be one, jesus, did you really use the product at all or make this up?
To remove the dog, CLICK ON HIM, and he will greet you with some options, click the one that says "Turn OFF animated character". Not hard to do.
Removing some MS middleware: you didn't mention it, but you will soon. To uninstall Windows Messenger (the worst of all MS's middleware) go start > run > type in RunDll32 advpack.dll,LaunchINFSection %windir%\INF\msmsgs.inf,BLC.Remove and hit Ok.
So far, you can't remove Windows Media Player and it's a bitch to remove IE, however, they both combined are about 4 MB big, they don't take up much space.
By default, XP has NO desktop shortcuts whatsoever except for the Recycle Bin. But since I think you have an OEM copy from your PC manufacture, they have added all kinda crap. Just right click your desktop > properties > go to the Desktop tab > click the "customize button"
brb
Well I was able to turn the dog off by clicking on him, but when I restarted the computer, he was back. By the way, thanks for the tips on dealing with xp. If I decide to use it, which I probably wont, these will come in handy.
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Removing some MS middleware: you didn't mention it, but you will soon. To uninstall Windows Messenger (the worst of all MS's middleware) go start > run > type in RunDll32 advpack.dll,LaunchINFSection %windir%\INF\msmsgs.inf,BLC.Remove and hit Ok.
That's quite easy and intuitive, yes, also, i liked your step by step easy way to uninstall media player and internet explorer, nice one.
So there's only actually a solution for two of the five points you address (messenger, and the dog), and one of them involves typing all that drek into the run box, which many people will not be able to do without you telling them what to type first, as you just did. I expect it would also involve removing the messenger components by hand.
To be honest i can't see why someone would get windows xp and then try to remove all this crap, i mean you paid for it, why not leave it on? either that or, as you say, get a real OS...
PS, no offense, Ctrl, i just didn't think xp sounded as customisable and intuitive as your first paragraph seemed to suggest.
[ June 07, 2002: Message edited by: Calum ]
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mine didn't come with some stupid ass dog like you described...
just install Mandrake and it will all be fine (http://smile.gif)
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But dont use linux if you want to play games, especially good ones like Morrowind.
Atleast NWN is for linux.
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Cocain:
What gay Mac face?
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but make sure to use linux if you want to play the coolest games hella-fast.. games like RTCW, Quake, Unreal tourny.
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Let me just say this:
I HATE UNREAL TOURNAMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Only 133t k3w1 d00dz wh0 3njoy h0ning th31r sk1llz 24 h0urz a d@y play that game.. The "community" that surrounds UT can only be surpassed in retardedness by the Quake 2 deathmatch fanatics who thankfully are almost extinct now. The ones that still exist can be found in their moldy rooms searching desperately for a Quake 2 server so they can play it on their pentium 233 with their voodoo 2's linked in "SLI" mode. Ugh.
Quake wasn't bad, and some of the mods were great (Team Fortress) but come on, it's six years old.
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I don't like UT either. I don't have a reason though, I just don't like it.
Anyhow, Linux can run quite a few Windows games, and a few have even beeen ported to Linux. I am trying to kill this misconception that Linux won't play games. Go to www.transgaming.com (http://www.transgaming.com) pay the 15 dollars and download the precompiled binary of Winex(you can get source for free, but the binary has some proprietary crap in it that lets you use Safe-disk copy protected games). WineX is great. I've tested Sim City 2000, StarCraft, Diable 2, and Warcraft 2 in it(hell those are the few windows based games I actually play). And a program is available to let you play Quake 2 in Linux, the program is freeware and you need the Windows version of Quake 2.
As time goes on and Linux increases in popularity on the desktop more and more games will work in Linux, and more will be ported. But if you really like gaming get a console.
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Well, with SP1, thankfully you can HIDE all of Microsofts middleware, including IE, OE, WMP and Messenger. IT CAN BE HIDDEN AND PERMENETLY TURNED OFF. HOWEVER, it still does not remove it, and if you want the hard drive space, just delete the folder (all of 5 or 6 megs).
Still, for Linux users, Win 2000 is much better than XP. XP is built for HOME users, thus the new interface (which I like, I use the silver one), and all the wizzards.
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Originally posted by Ctrl Alt Del 123:
Well, with SP1, thankfully you can HIDE all of Microsofts middleware, including IE, OE, WMP and Messenger. IT CAN BE HIDDEN AND PERMENETLY TURNED OFF. HOWEVER, it still does not remove it, and if you want the hard drive space, just delete the folder (all of 5 or 6 megs).
i agree, it's moot, why use windows if you don't want all that M$ crap anyway? it's like buying a dog and saying you think you should have the right not to feed him (actually it's not really, but you know what i mean).
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Still, for Linux users, Win 2000 is much better than XP. XP is built for HOME users, thus the new interface (which I like, I use the silver one), and all the wizzards.
Actually, for linux users, linux is better than any version of windows! simple as that... :D
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But you need XP because it's part of Microsoft's pla- er, I mean, just go buy it, you'll like the colors and the fact that it can run some old DOS applications that Windows 2000 can't. In fact, buy two copies in case one copy is scratched or something.
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Originally posted by Windows XP User #5225982375:
But you need XP because it's part of Microsoft's pla- er, I mean, just go buy it, you'll like the colors and the fact that it can run some old DOS applications that Windows 2000 can't. In fact, buy two copies in case one copy is scratched or something.
after all his nonhumorous attempts at posting, he finally posts a sarcastic post? not only that, the sarcasm implies that Microsoft are morally corrupt, and unabashedky greedy. What is the motivation?
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Originally posted by Calum:
after all his nonhumorous attempts at posting, he finally posts a sarcastic post? not only that, the sarcasm implies that Microsoft are morally corrupt, and unabashedky greedy. What is the motivation?
Very good question.
I think I know though, he is trying to gain our trust.
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Originally posted by Windows XP User #5225982375:
I HATE UNREAL TOURNAMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You have insulted Unreal Tournament. Now you will pay... Microsoft.
And I bought my TNT for around
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someone wanted to know about running windows apps on linux
wine sucks, they say the best way is win4lin ( http://www.netraverse.com (http://www.netraverse.com) )
there is also VMWare Workstation ( http://www.vmware.com (http://www.vmware.com) )
Virtual PC ( http://www.connectix.com (http://www.connectix.com) )
and Bochs ( http://bochs.sourceforge.net (http://bochs.sourceforge.net) )
only Bochs is free
there are reviews on there products here http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=1054 (http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=1054) and here http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=1112 (http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=1112)
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Hmmmmm... I want VMware but i dont happen to have a couple hundred dollars. I never heard of Boch before, but its free.. so i might try it.
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Originally posted by Master of Reality / Bob:
Dragon??.... you sure you werent on cocaine at the time?
No, I get him too, except I like to get him
Tip of the day.
No flames, Ive only had it 4 about 2 months
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i would recommend from a linux prompt running as root
cat /bin/* > /dev/<---- insert the partation that windbloze is one, owell, most probably wont get it
as for the xpiss replace ment, i would go with redhat 7.3, becuase alot of stuff is support by defualt and out of box. if you are feeling like an adventure go with silicon graphics version of the redhat 7.3 installer/*i didn't know linux could runn that fast */, on the side note, y the hell are linux distros still using ext2 and ext3 when sgi put xfs under the gpl, that just don't make sense
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said by ahri:
wine sucks
um no, my friend plays Half-Life through wine and he gets crazy FPS, it's so smooth that it would blow your mind.....the only slow part is the menus, very slow menus :( (by menus i mean ones to get INTO the game, not while playing it)