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All Things Microsoft => Microsoft Software => Topic started by: ForceSphere on 7 February 2003, 06:59
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I know Linux is denting Microsoft's monopoly but still few people use Linux. The reason people dont flood to Linux is beacuse it is a lot harder than Windows (or because "new" means bad like XP (http://smile.gif) ). I am not saying Windows is good by any means, i am saying it is all people know. Most of us here are young, and young people try new things. The average person:
1) doesnt have the time to run and learn a new OS
2) doesnt really care because Windows half-asses things for them and they think it is peachy because they know nothing else.
I just got RedHat, and i love it, im still a very large noob at it but i can see once i get the hang of it, i will have no need to dual boot with windows anymore.
I think Windows' dominace will aventually change, but right now there are lots of people who just dont give a shit, they just wanna check their email and chat basicly. Most people dont know how to do the most basic things on Windows, let alone try to learn a much more difficult system (I feel it is only difficult because it is new, if every1 was brought up on Linux and Windows was the newer kid on the block, if you will, Windows would be the hard one to learn)
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Well, I don't think Linux (or whatever) is HARDER. It's not the point anyway. Most of average users don't care about OS - they get it pre-installed with a new computer or ask someone to install some OS. OSes are the pain in the arse for system administrators and they are the only people who really cares about what OS to use. The reasons MS dominates, IMHO, are:
1. Traditional. "Everyone uses it. Six million lemmings can't be wrong."
2. Software. As I mentioned, almost nobody needs OS. People need the environment to run programs.
3. Hardware support. Every manufacturer makes drivers for Windows and just few add ones for Linux.
Moral: It'll take some time till the things are made right. I remember Linux of mid-90's and it developes very fine, the most of all the OSes. Windows don't and that's it.
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JH is 100% correct. anybody who says linux is harder to use than windows simply has not taken what are known as the 'facts' into consideration.
The only reason an individual might find windows easier than linux is that they already have some windows experience but have no experience with linux. Simply put, that's all there is to it. because most people have some windows experience and little to no linux experience, you get a world full of people complaining linux is too difficult for them.
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Untill recently Linux and Open Source Software were not "MS beaters".
They are now. (http://smile.gif)
zooloo
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Nazi party has sensored this for you.
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Hmm, DVD playback works almost out of the box for me in Red Hat Linux 8 after enabling DMA for my dvd drive (it's disabled by default for some strange reason)and typing "apt-get ogle". If Calum's dvd player doesn't work with Linux, that's not Linux's fault, it's the hardware maker's fault.
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lets not forget that Windows is tied to the shit eater x86 processors and the everloving piece of shit that is the IBM PC architecture. Linux runs on ANYTHING. I can install Linux on my iBook 800, on my Power Mac 7200, on the busted ass old Sun workstation that I hijacked from the dumpster of the Little Rock Public Works building. I can run Linux on a PS2, or an xSux. I can run Linux on an iPod, or a PocketPC, or... or damn near anything.
let's reiterate...
x86 "IBM PC" sucks ass
Windows only runs on it
Other platforms eat x86 for breakfast
Linux runs on nearly all of them.
Therefore
Windows sucks ass
Linux eats Windoze for breakfast.
edit: most hardware makers seem to do as much as they can to make things incompatible.
[ February 07, 2003: Message edited by: Jimmy James: Mac Commando ]
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Tradition is, I think, the main reason for not going with another OS. Most users are older than 25, as odd as it may sound to you, and they were trained (read: brainwashed) on Microsoft
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quote:
Originally posted by Jimmy James: Mac Commando:
let's reiterate...
1) x86 "IBM PC" sucks ass
2) Windows only runs on it
3) Other platforms eat x86 for breakfast
4) Linux runs on nearly all of them.
Therefore
5) Windows sucks ass
6) Linux eats Windoze for breakfast.
Let's see...
1 is arguably true (x86 has some advantages, but performance-wise they tend to suck)
2 is true
3 is true
4 is true
So at least your premises are true.
5 does not follow from the premises (if it is true or not (well, it is) is another point). x86 may suck - that doesn't mean every software written for said architecture. If this were the case, Linux sucks too, since it too is written for x86. You can have a fantasctic piece of software running on the most appaling pieces of crap. The performance may not be that good, but if it accomplishes more than a 'decent' software system the software is still good.
6, equally, does not follow from the premises. Running on more/better system is at most a minor argument in quality debates.
Whay you say may be true, but the logic you use is non-existant.
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Howabout some reasons Linux isn't doin' for regular people.
1. Don't care because it's just an OS. They'd rather drive thier SUV or listen to thier Spears.
2. Lack of media exposure. If it's not in a commercial, they don't know it exists.
3. RPM's and dependence hell. Thay'd never put up with that, and apt-get doesn't do well over dial up. Or even having to compile software. I can imagine the headaches caused by just the thought of it.
4. They'd freak out at the first site of the command line.
5. lack of software/hardware support. Not Linux fault' but still a problem. And an abundance of amatuer looking software.
There's plenty of articles about this if you google for them.
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The main reason is compatability. People could easily learn how to use linux. I used to know nothing about Linux. I quickly learned. However I don't use it because of compatability with most programs.
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<cough>bullshit</cough>
let's look at hardware compatibility:
linux runs on at least twelve different types of computer, many other unices run on more than one type. windows runs only on x86 as stated above.
let's look at software compatibility:
lots of programs run on windows. most are shit and old. almost all of them are crippleware, nagware, cost a shitload of money et cetera.
lots of programs run on linux. most are relevant and fairly recent. many are open source and can be installed on many other operating systems also (all the ones that run Windows for example), some linux (open source) programs can be compiled on, or have been brought out for, windows. Most linux programs are free, and better you get the rights to rewrite them yourself and sell on your efforts if you like.
what more do you want? anybody who is not happy with this, fuck off back to windows.
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thats right mplayer is hard to install on linux. but since im no longer using linux, dvd's should be easy now and software is soo easy to build and install now. if only they could have this on linux *sigh*
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and i know that last post was a bit cryptic, im using the *BSD's now
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People don't choose MS, they buy PCs with it installed.
After that they buy MS Office etc because they think "MS, that's what I've got".
The average punter doesn't know (Or care) what an OS is.
MS is shit software and excellent marketing.
zooloo
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quote:
Originally posted by zooloo:
People don't choose MS, they buy PCs with it installed.
After that they buy MS Office etc because they think "MS, that's what I've got".
zooloo
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people are stupid. that's why. you show them a perfectly viable... no, a VASTLY SUPERIOR alternative, and they stick with their shit.
windoze is a turd, that's all there is to it. I lost all respect for windoze and the x86 platform when my Power Mac 7200 (120MHz PowerPC 601) whipped the holy living fuck out of a Celeron 900. The Inhell Celery Processor with Extra Bullshit Technology couldn't play a fucking video. the "broke down" 7200 didn't skip a single frame. Eat shit, Wintel drones, your platform has been officially
OWNED
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It's marketing. Microsoft can afford to go up to a company and say "I'll give you $40 for every computer you include windows with". I'm sure they don't say that exactly, but the manufacturers/resellers do get profits from putting Windows on a computer. The linux community can't afford to do that, and it's not the point of linux anyways. Because linux is free, they can't get a profit from putting it on a computer (unless of course they charge extra to have linux on there, rather than no os[because microsoft tends to not allow oems to have another OS offered then theirs]) If linux were to never be free, to be worth easily $400, it would be included on many computers, because it's easier to get a profit for something that costs more. For instance, I sell a car for $27,000... i buy it for $20,000 though. there's $7,000. i get a pinto for $400, sell it for $600... that's $200. what costs more gives more profits, what gives more profits gets sold. Ignorance would be the reason why people don't use linux. They don't know it exists, and those that do tend to think "if it's so great then why isn't it coming on computers like windows is?".
well i'm done. I have to go, later.
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The only reason Linux even stands a chance against Microsoft is because it *is* free software, in my opinion. Think about other superior OSes like BeOS or MacOS who have yet to make a dent in Windows' sales.
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I think the biggest hurdle is getting the manufacturers (Dell, Compaq etc) to at least offer a Linux alternative. There's no incentive though, for manufacturer or consumer. Sure Wal-Mart anf Fry's are offering a few "thin-linux" boxes on generic boxes but the big guns need to offer their box a side by side model. What I mean is, Window$ box is $800.00, Linux box is $600.00 or less. I don't understand people buying a Window$ PC at all, particularly the home user. All the home user needs is intenet access, e-mail, play/burn CD's and type up their CV. WHy would you spend all that money on shitty M$ ? And why would you even entertain XP ?!! I had to use an XP box the other day and I hate it. Awful.
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Originally posted by HibbeeBoy:
I think the biggest hurdle is getting the manufacturers (Dell, Compaq etc) to at least offer a Linux alternative.
Slowly but surly i think that is changing, Like you said WalMart is now offering a Linux alternative, trashy? maybe, but a step in the right direction. As more people buy from WalMart their will be a bigger demand for linux products, and if it takes off good, we may be looking at a race between Windows and Linux. Although right now Linux can run circles around Windows, maybe Microsoft will be forced to get their shit together and actually put out some good OS's, and if not, Microsoft will more less be forced to support Linux software or people would hate them. Hopes? Yes, but i hope to the fullest extent that this happends.
***note*** I refuse to say anything bad about Lindows until I try it, Although the CEO is a douche bag, idea stealing, impersoniator doesnt mean his OS sucks. At least i hope it doesnt because it representing Linux to people who buy at WalMart.
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Originally posted by Jimmy James: Mac Commando:
people are stupid. that's why. you show them a perfectly viable... no, a VASTLY SUPERIOR alternative, and they stick with their shit.
"Hate the game, not the player" just because someone is ignorant on a computer does not make them stupid, likewise, just because some1 uses windows does not make them stupid, if your just going to use your computer for chating or email (typical user) i see no need to upgrade to Linux, although it wouldn't hurt.
I think all schools should teach Linux basics, I wrote a letter to my school about it and they took me out of class for about a half an hour and talked to me about it. They said they would think about it, that basicly means "no" but I feel I helped the cause, and it may add in a decision they may make later on down the road
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Originally posted by Force:
Slowly but surly i think that is changing, Like you said WalMart is now offering a Linux alternative, trashy? maybe, but a step in the right direction. As more people buy from WalMart their will be a bigger demand for linux products, and if it takes off good, we may be looking at a race between Windows and Linux. Although right now Linux can run circles around Windows, maybe Microsoft will be forced to get their shit together and actually put out some good OS's, and if not, Microsoft will more less be forced to support Linux software or people would hate them. Hopes? Yes, but i hope to the fullest extent that this happends.
***note*** I refuse to say anything bad about Lindows until I try it, Although the CEO is a douche bag, idea stealing, impersoniator doesnt mean his OS sucks. At least i hope it doesnt because it representing Linux to people who buy at WalMart.
And you notice how Lindows is not free? I've tried it, was able to download it for free from their site actually. I don't like it, but it's alright if you are the typical email and chat user. I'd try to stay clear of it considering they, like microsoft, try to rip you off. I doubt any desktop manufacturer will include a free operating system any time soon. I'm not saying linux shouldn't be free, i'm just saying that from a manufacturer's view point it's not worth it if it's free.
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damn...thats sad...If it really does blow hard that will leave a horrid taste of what Linux is in the mouths of them people. Once again i do not want to slander Lindows because i am ignorant to their OS.
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Force, it wasn't my meaning to say that all Windows users are stupid. my apologies
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most kids love to play games. and most of them want to put the CD in. AutoInstall. And be on their way.
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Originally posted by raptor:
most kids love to play games. and most of them want to put the CD in. AutoInstall. And be on their way.
I can certainlly understand that, do u remember back in the day of DOS games? Getting the game to work was half the battle.
**Although i was pretty young then, i remember Duke Nukem and Whacky Wheels is all**
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The (...) are here, dont mention the war (http://smile.gif)
[ March 24, 2003: Message edited by: Food ]
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[ March 28, 2003: Message edited by: Refalm ]
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I'm not sure if this is the right place for this but...here goes.
I'm pretty new to computers. I wanted to install redhat on my laptop, minly because I would rather use an os that teaches me something more about computers than how to move the fricking mouse. I actually bought the redhat software because I thought I would need their tech support to install. I went to a couple of user groups and asked if it was compatible and I looked through the redhat site before installing. After installing it with a dual boot it wouldn't work.
I wasted an hour on a long distance telephone call (I was out of the country) to redhat support before they decided to tell me that there ARE some incompatibilities with laptops and, apparently this is one of them. Something which out of sheer forgetfullness they forgot to mention on their website and which their sales rep seems not to have heard of. That's the reason I'm stuck with windoze xp.
If anyone's interested in the tech. information or has any ideas, it's a presario900 (916us)amd athlon processor. I guess you can look up the specs. If nyone has any idea about a compatible os or a solution I'd be glad to... F! M$
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verikt, the easiest thing for you to do would be to get another distribution or two of linux, example, try out mandrake linux 9.1 or try out slackware 9.0 or lycoris desktop l/x 3.0, because usually you will find that most linux versions will support most hardware. you are bound to find a nice easy version of linux to use if you try two or three.
this sounds like a lot of work but linux is free and if you search around you will likely be able to find a mail order company near you who will mail you copies of these linux distributions for little more than the cost of the CDs, or even better, you could download them yourself from http://linuxiso.org/ (http://linuxiso.org/)
welcome and all that, post in the UNIX/GNU section if you have any other linux questions. (http://smile.gif)
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Look, it seems that most of you miss the point.
Yes Linux is better
No linux is not easy to use right out of the box
Yes a lot of people don't even realize that linux exists (see lack of marketing)
No there is hardly any available support for linux (except for places like this)
No my grandpa could not use linux
No games are not easy to install on a linux box
Yes linux is extremely cryptic to new users
I have used computers since I put my first 8086 computer together. I have been working on them since the 286 came out and now I own my own Modification and Repair business (KC Case Modifications).
Come on guys, you really think that people don't use linux because they are blinded? I'm not blinded, I am a fully certified tech and have been for quite some time. Linux is ass to use in comparison to say, xp pro. Yes it is a resource hog but it's familiar and easy. I don't really want to have to recompile the newest copy of my favorite game just to install it on linux.
If Linux would develop some tools to simplify things for previous windows users then maybe more people would flock to linux. Unfortunately anyone that buys a prebuit system is an idiot (excepting laptops. See too low voltage caps on motherboards for purposes of money. I.E. Gateway - Used to work for them).
Just cause some of you are under the impression that you are Uber 1337 does nothing for the rest of the people in the world. Just because it was easy for you to learn does not mean that it is easy for someone with no knowledge to learn.
People do not want to have to read a 1000 page manual to use their computer. How would you feel if when you bought a new car you had to build the engine yourself?
Ahh fuckit. Half of you will probably not get my point since this thread was created for the bashing of windows.
[ March 25, 2003: Message edited by: excorcist ]
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Originally posted by excorcist:
Look, it seems that most of you miss the point.
Yes Linux is better
No linux is not easy to use right out of the box
Yes a lot of people don't even realize that linux exists (see lack of marketing)
No there is hardly any available support for linux (except for places like this)
No my grandpa could not use linux
No games are not easy to install on a linux box
Yes linux is extremely cryptic to new users
I have used computers since I put my first 8086 computer together. I have been working on them since the 286 came out and now I own my own Modification and Repair business (KC Case Modifications).
Come on guys, you really think that people don't use linux because they are blinded? I'm not blinded, I am a fully certified tech and have been for quite some time. Linux is ass to use in comparison to say, xp pro. Yes it is a resource hog but it's familiar and easy. I don't really want to have to recompile the newest copy of my favorite game just to install it on linux.
If Linux would develop some tools to simplify things for previous windows users then maybe more people would flock to linux. Unfortunately anyone that buys a prebuit system is an idiot (excepting laptops. See too low voltage caps on motherboards for purposes of money. I.E. Gateway - Used to work for them).
Just cause some of you are under the impression that you are Uber 1337 does nothing for the rest of the people in the world. Just because it was easy for you to learn does not mean that it is easy for someone with no knowledge to learn.
People do not want to have to read a 1000 page manual to use their computer. How would you feel if when you bought a new car you had to build the engine yourself?
Ahh fuckit. Half of you will probably not get my point since this thread was created for the bashing of windows.
[ March 25, 2003: Message edited by: excorcist ]
You don't have to be bitter and condescending about it, geez....
I'm still relatively new to Linux (only using it about six months), and in the time I've used it, I've never had to:
-recompile a kernel
-read a 1000-page manual. Anything I read that would help me with something was never more than one page
You say that Linux has no tools to ease the transition. Well, Mandrake Linux has all sorts of graphical tools to help with the configuration of things on your computer.
It's not so much that any flavor of Linux is harder to use than Windows, it's more that it is different. Some things will be done differently, and that takes some getting used to.
What if somebody, that has never used Windows before, started their computer experience with Linux instead? Can you honestly say that they would never be able to use Linux? Anybody that has never used computers before are going to take a long time to learn them, regardless of operating system.
I should state for the record that I'm generally an idiot when it comes to computers. My computer programming experience has never advanced beyond Applesoft BASIC, and I do not, nor am I working toward, a degree having to do with computers. I'm merely an average user that uses his computer for simple things like internet, e-mail, word processing, finance tracking, etc. (okay, I also use it for music production) And I find Mandrake Linux 9.0 to be very simple and straightforward to use for all of those tasks.
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ok good points
I shoulda made an exception about mandrake. It is relitavely easy to use.
Wasn't trying to be condesending about it, sorry about that.
I just wish linux was a little more user friendly.
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RedHat 7.3 I think pretty much anybody can install and use without any problems. With the possible exception of network setup (most people dont mess with that anyways) i mean dialup or non-dhcp internet connections. RedHat 8 gave me a few issues which i resolved. But most people wouldn't be able to fix what i did. What would you like to be able to do that doesn't have a graphics tool? maybe i'll make one for you.
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apt-get doesn't do well over dial up.
heh heh heh...
slightly off topic but here goes:
My step by step guide to a better apt-get
1) Move into Australian university
2) Notice that net access is fast (ethernet)
3) Notice that net access is expensive
4) Notice that mirror.aarnet.edu.au is freely accessible from any Australian uni or uni campus.
5) Notice that mirror.aarnet.edu.au is a debian mirror.
6) Install debian to try it out (fucking cool btw, best distributions so far ignoring the sheer age of the X server but you can replace that.)
7) Say out loud "stuff the cdrom install im using http."
8) Swear loudly when you d/l debian install at OVER nine megabytes per second... (at this speed my processor is actually slowing down my net access... I get a huge perfomance hit when I download iso image because my 256 megabytes of SDRAM cant hold it all quickly enough.)
9) Smile. Dance. Yell "linux rules!" at top of lungs.
Well that was my off topic bragging session.
I now return you to your life (already in progress)
:D :D :D :D :D :D
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quote:
Originally posted by excorcist:
ok good points
I shoulda made an exception about mandrake. It is relitavely easy to use.
Wasn't trying to be condesending about it, sorry about that.
I just wish linux was a little more user friendly.
No hard feelings. The environment here can get the best of us.... ;)
User friendliness in Linux does have room for improvement, but I personally never found anything to be prohibitively difficult.
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Originally posted by Force:
I know Linux is denting Microsoft's monopoly but still few people use Linux. The reason people dont flood to Linux is beacuse it is a lot harder than Windows (or because "new" means bad like XP (http://smile.gif) ). I am not saying Windows is good by any means, i am saying it is all people know. Most of us here are young, and young people try new things. The average person:
1) doesnt have the time to run and learn a new OS
2) doesnt really care because Windows half-asses things for them and they think it is peachy because they know nothing else.
I just got RedHat, and i love it, im still a very large noob at it but i can see once i get the hang of it, i will have no need to dual boot with windows anymore.
I think Windows' dominace will aventually change, but right now there are lots of people who just dont give a shit, they just wanna check their email and chat basicly. Most people dont know how to do the most basic things on Windows, let alone try to learn a much more difficult system (I feel it is only difficult because it is new, if every1 was brought up on Linux and Windows was the newer kid on the block, if you will, Windows would be the hard one to learn)
That's for clearing that up.
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Originally posted by Linux User #5225982375:
The only reason Linux even stands a chance against Microsoft is because it *is* free software, in my opinion. Think about other superior OSes like BeOS or MacOS who have yet to make a dent in Windows' sales.
A few major computer OEMs were going to include BeOS along with Windows. The reason they didn't?
In the last minute, some nice Microsoft guys came to the OEMs and read them a few paragraphs of their agreement stating they were not allowed to add anything other than Windows to the bootloader.
Teehee. Toshiba, I think, ended up installing BeOS but never adding it to the MBR... Ha ha.
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quote:
Originally posted by excorcist:
ok good points
I shoulda made an exception about mandrake. It is relitavely easy to use.
Wasn't trying to be condesending about it, sorry about that.
I just wish linux was a little more user friendly.
it is.
sorry, but if you plan to roar off a bunch of crap that's five years out of date about how linux is only for people who love to waste hours writing their own drivers and all that crap that windoids often come out with when they are faced with something that threatens your status quo then i think you deserve all you get.
writing off the entire forums here in your first post by saying you won't be understood by us moronic linux users (yes i am paraphrasing) is simply insecurity on your part, enabling you to feel good about yourself regardless of what kind of response you receive.
there are *many* linux distros that a child could work with *easily*, are you saying a fully qualified "tech guy" would have problems doing something a child could cope with?
don't get too detached, you might miss something that would otherwise have benefited you greatly.
[ March 28, 2003: Message edited by: Calum: crusader for justice & peace ]
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if you want to look for reasons, i'm a model example of why not to use Linux
client reasons:
1. the game Half-Life doesn't work in Linux becaue the anti-cheat detects Win4Lin and Wine as being 'hacks' because they technically count as hooks (outside programs that run the game)
2. the game Diablo2 doesn't work in Linux
3. Kazaa doesn't work in Linux.... i've tried Gnutella and although it works, it's not nearly as good because it doesn't filter out fake files, not as many clients and so forth.
4. i can't run videos in Linux. i watch a lot of movies on my computer but movies are avi format and most of them use DivX and Xvid plugins which are Windows only
5. no MSN messenger. although Linux has ICQ, people are starting to move away from ICQ for some reason and moving towards the sucky ass MSN messenger. although i don't exactly like MSN, MSN is the only chat program all my friends from school seem to have (because they're dumb)
6. my scanner and digital camera don't work on Linux
server reasons:
1. i can't get PHP to work on Linux.... this is a lame excuse though because i got it working before but i just can't get it working now
2. i can't get MySQL to work, programs just never seem to be able to connect to it even after mysqld is running
little annoyances
1. i can't copy a URL from text editor into the address bar of Mozilla or Opera, you can only copy and paste within 1 program
2. when i double click the address bar in Mozilla or Opera, the clipboard pops up asking me what to do and it's annoying as hell... i still haven't figured out how to change that
3. similar things group together just like in windows but in Linux i can't figure out how to turn that off, it's nowhere in the control panel
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DivX and Xvid work in Linux.
You can get MSN clients for Linux.
PHP and Mysql work fine in Linux.
You can copy and paste between programs.
You can turn off the clipboard.
If you're talking about KDE then right-click on the panel, go to the Taskbar section, uncheck "Group similar tasks"
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Originally posted by ShawnD1:
if you want to look for reasons, i'm a model example of why not to use Linux
client reasons:
1. the game Half-Life doesn't work in Linux becaue the anti-cheat detects Win4Lin and Wine as being 'hacks' because they technically count as hooks (outside programs that run the game)
2. the game Diablo2 doesn't work in Linux
3. Kazaa doesn't work in Linux.... i've tried Gnutella and although it works, it's not nearly as good because it doesn't filter out fake files, not as many clients and so forth.
4. i can't run videos in Linux. i watch a lot of movies on my computer but movies are avi format and most of them use DivX and Xvid plugins which are Windows only
5. no MSN messenger. although Linux has ICQ, people are starting to move away from ICQ for some reason and moving towards the sucky ass MSN messenger. although i don't exactly like MSN, MSN is the only chat program all my friends from school seem to have (because they're dumb)
6. my scanner and digital camera don't work on Linux
server reasons:
1. i can't get PHP to work on Linux.... this is a lame excuse though because i got it working before but i just can't get it working now
2. i can't get MySQL to work, programs just never seem to be able to connect to it even after mysqld is running
little annoyances
1. i can't copy a URL from text editor into the address bar of Mozilla or Opera, you can only copy and paste within 1 program
2. when i double click the address bar in Mozilla or Opera, the clipboard pops up asking me what to do and it's annoying as hell... i still haven't figured out how to change that
3. similar things group together just like in windows but in Linux i can't figure out how to turn that off, it's nowhere in the control panel
i still think that the "no-games" argument is bullshit. they do make systems designed specifically for video games, are much cheaper than a computer, and run on your tv. which of course, has a bigger screen.
okay. i hate windows. but it is easy. it is also very much a piece of shit. jaguar is perfect. its easier to install apps on it than windows. its easier to use. its unix. it has never crashed on me. (well, i made it crash on purpose once just to see what it was like. i cant remember how i did it though. it was on some mac site). linux is not easy. its not extremelly hard either. i have just been spoiled with macOSX, so jumping into linux is proving to be a challenge.
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ecsyle_one, console games suck. why play a game with a maximum of 4 people on some console with people who have to be at my house instead of playing with up to 32 (64 in newer games) who could be from anywhere in the world? i've tried that online PS2 thing and it sucked, all game servers that exists are what are called 'listen servers' meaning that they are run by a person who is playing the game at the current time, as soon as that person leaves - the server goes down. another gay thing about console online games is that there will never be 'mods' for them. have you heard of the game Counter-Strike? Counter-Strike is a mod for the game Half-Life. although CS is one of the most popular online games right now, it still can't be deemed as a game on its own because it is based on Half-Life. there are tons of popular 'mods' for games such as TacOps for UT, TFC, NS, DOD and CS for Half-Life. most servers and people playing Half-Life, UT, Quake* are playing mods of those games which are in many cases created by independant groups of people or third party companies, not by the company to make the original game. if you take out the ability of having mods for games, you're just left with 1 really gay ass game that will suck.
flap, you said "You can copy and paste between programs". i don't doubt that you can, but seriously is there a trick or something? when installing something, i would always read the install or readme file in text editor and it would have some link in it, usualy to a FAQ. i would scroll over the link, right click and hit 'copy' then go into Mozilla and right click into the address bar and hit 'paste'. it would never paste anything though :(
[ March 28, 2003: Message edited by: ShawnD1 ]
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In X you copy simply by selecting text. The middle mouse button pastes.
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General Motors announces a great new car; every morning u go out, measure the temperature and humidity, and get out some tools and set your engine for optimal performance...
Of course its ludicrous, but that is sort of the theory of linux: for a lot more work, you get "better" performance. Who Cares ? get it through your head: 99% of people, like me, dont care.I use computers everyday, and I really dont care that bill gates is a filthy rich jerk, or that the code is bloated, or that their are hidden files that i cant control. I do my work, and go home, and I have better things to worry about.
Let me add an analogy: during the 80s, Reagan would say these absurd things on TV. Someone complained to one of his aids, and the answer - u can look this up- SO what if he "misstates" millions hear him on tv; thousands read the correction in the times the next morning.
Linux people are sort of like that minority that reads the paper and actually cares that the president made non true statements.
to put is another way: someone once explained that hte problem with al gore is, he thinks if he just had enoght hours to explain taxes, you would agree with him. People are not logical; I dont think linux will ever will because peoples brains have limited bandwidth, and who cares about a new os or windows looking at you.
The funny thing is, bill doesnt have to do anything: the linux people will actually fight for the privelidge to slit each others throats. if they had gotten together and put together one real, with applications and drivers, they might have had a chance. As it is, with redhat and gnu and all this other stuff, they are diffusing their energy: their own anarchy and freedom is bills greatest weapon!!
Actually linux has a real use. I'm serious here. If you talk to older (60s) engineers, they all played with crystal radios as kids, and they are all worried about what the engineers of tomorrow, todays kids are gonna do. Because now everything is a chip, and no 12 year old can monkey within a chip. Well the answer is linux: not really usefull, but great for a 12 year old. And those 12 year olds will grow up and go to mit and caltech and so forth.
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General Motors announces a great new car; every morning u go out, measure the temperature and humidity, and get out some tools and set your engine for optimal performance...
This analogy in no way, shape, or form applies to using Linux today, especially distros like Red Hat or Mandrake (and even newcomers like Lycoris, Lindows, or Xandros). You install it once, you configure some things once, and they stay that way. It might have been true four or five years ago, but it's not the case today. Now, you can continue to try to optimize your system if you want, but even if you do absolutely nothing else after installing it, you will still have a completely usable and easy-to-use system.
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3. Kazaa doesn't work in Linux.... i've tried Gnutella and although it works, it's not nearly as good because it doesn't filter out fake files, not as many clients and so forth.
You can get Kazaa to work in Wine if you wanted to. I recommend Kazaa lite, though. You would have an easier time running it via Wine.
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People worry to much about the hardware and not enough about the software.
The computer is simply a body that houses the operating system. Sort of like body and soul.
What good would your machine be if it had no OS ?
The biggest reason poeple choose windows is because they don't even think about other options. They dont even know their are other options.
Go around and ask poeple about Linux and Mac os.
Youll get responses such as " What the fuck is linux ?
and " What ? I never knew apple was still in business"
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mushrooomprince: The biggest reason poeple choose windows is because they don't even think about other options. They dont even know their are other options.
Go around and ask poeple about Linux and Mac os.
Youll get responses such as " What the fuck is linux ?
and " What ? I never knew apple was still in business"
That means that the majority of people just don't care what software they're running. It just has to do the job. For example, the majority of people have no idea what Internet Explorer is, they just click on the blue "e" logo if they want internet, because a yellow balloon pop-up told them to. What if they clicked a red lizard instead of the blue "e"? It doesn't make any difference to them, except that it doesn't crash af often as the blue "e" thingy, and it first loads the page and then the pictures.
And, after spending an hour on Red Hat Linux, people will easily find "Internet", "E-mail", "Buddy chat", etc. when clicking on the red hat.
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In my opinion linux is more n00b friendly than windows. And whoever said kazaa wouldn't work in linux is wrong. The only reason I don't use linux is because of my fucking NTL broadband connection not being supported by it.
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Originally posted by The Knife Thrower: The only reason I don't use linux is because of my fucking NTL broadband connection not being supported by it.
What is NTL and why doesn't it work in Linux? I've even seen USB ADSL modems work in Linux (http://smile.gif)
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Well, I know several System Administrators...
I tell you, never ind their pick of OS, one of my schools sat there for ages pushing a button on a computer wondering why it wouldn't turn on until a student pointed out that he was pushing the reset button and it wasn't plugged in...
Now, who really cares what OS they want ;)