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Miscellaneous => Applications => Topic started by: zooloo on 20 December 2002, 22:19
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"101 things that the Mozilla browser can do that IE cannot.
The following lists 101 things that one can do with the Mozilla browser component that one cannot do with IE."
www.xulplanet.com/ndeakin/arts/reasons.html (http://www.xulplanet.com/ndeakin/arts/reasons.html)
zooloo
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It's more a 101 reasons Moz. kicks IE arse.
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i never realised that IE failed to do so many things! amazing how you get used to luxury so fast, isn't it?
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OK:
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Tabbed browsing
Lets you display more than one site in a window using multiple tabs.
Crazy Browser (http://www.crazybrowser.com/) quote:
Popup blocking
Block all those popup ads.
Crazy Browser (http://www.crazybrowser.com/) quote:
Prevent scripts from doing various things
such as moving windows, closing them and setting cookies.
Or you could not visit those sites. Or you could turn JavaScript off altogether. quote:
Link toolbar
Displays content from the <link> tags provided by a document, allowing one to navigate to various parts of a site.
This is what I hate about Mozilla: they refuse to support useful IE tags, yet invent their own. quote:
Sidebar
The sidebar provides a number of tabs by default, and others can be added by the user.
Never had a use for them. quote:
Can add custom panels to sidebar
Custom sidebars can be implemented in HTML or XUL and can be installed from a remote site without much hassle.
XUL? What the hell is XUL? Some proprietary Mozilla "standard"? quote:
More control over text zooming
Can zoom text to any size. IE only supports five sizes
Only blind people would have a use for that. If you want things bigger, set your display to Large Fonts or lower your screen resolution. quote:
and has no shortcut keys that I could determine.
Control+Wheel quote:
Can zoom any text, even that with fixed pixel sizes
Can zoom text no matter what units were specified.
I care? quote:
Can select from multiple stylesheets provided by page
When a page provides multiple (or alternate) stylesheets,
None do. quote:
one can select between them by choosing from the View menu.
Another proprietary Mozilla "standard". quote:
Page info dialog
Provides additional information about encoding, MIME type, referrer and meta tags.
Ever heard of View Source? quote:
Detailed form/link/media info dialog
The page info dialog provides tabs which have lists of the form elements, links, images and other media in a page. You can even preview images and save the then from this window.
I could probably knock up something similar in IE. IE4 Power Toys already does links. (Or you could just View Source, you lazy git.) quote:
Save plugins
Mozilla saves plugins when saving a Web page as complete. You can also save them from the Page Info window.
Now what useful purpose could that possibly serve? quote:
Themes
Provides two themes by default (Classic and Modern), but others may be installed.
Both identical, and no one likes Times New Roman menus that take up way too much RAM. quote:
Bookmark etc.
Que? quote:
Cookie Manager
The cookie manager lets you view the cookies that have been set, their values and their expiry times.
C:\WINDOWS\Cookies quote:
Can delete cookies individually
The cookie manager lets you delete individual cookies without having to search around your file system.
C:\WINDOWS\Cookies quote:
Block images from third party sites
One can block images that come from a third party domain.
OK, that's one. quote:
Download Manager
The download manager provides a tabular view of all of the files that you have downloaded, allowing you to open them without having to search around on your file system.
So do all download accelerators. And IE saves files on the desktop by default. quote:
Prevents running of executables directly
Mozilla doesn't let you run executable files directly when downloading, which at least makes you think twice before opening them.
If you don't plan on running EXE files, don't download them. quote:
View Source
View the syntax coloured source of a page, without having to view it in Notepad.
Some people actually like Notepad. quote:
JavaScript Console
JavaScript Console displays script warnings
JavaScript Debugger
All the same thing. I had to FIND the JavaScript console before I could figure out why a script on my site (http://redrangersoftware.cjb.net/) wasn't working in Mozilla. Maybe if it popped up an error dialog like IE, I could have fixed it a lot sooner, and Mozilla's reputation might actually go up from 1 point to 2. quote:
DOM Inspector
View the structure of a document using a nifty tree view. Also lets you view script properties and style applied to each element.
Shouldn't this be in a separate program? quote:
DOM Inspector image capture
The DOM Inspector has a tool to capture an image of part of a page, although it doesn't seem to work all too well.
Print Screen quote:
Select text and perform search
Select some text, bring up the context menu, and choose 'Search' to search for the selected text.
Or you could just use Control+C and Control+V, you lazy git. quote:
Can select custom search engine
You can select any search engine you wish, not just one that has been chosen for you.
Or you could just type in the search engine's url manually, you lazy git. quote:
Can display search results in sidebar
When a search is performed, results can be parsed automatically and displayed in the sidebar. You can navigate each found item, without hiding the list.
OK, that's two. quote:
Supports any Sherlock search plugin
Supports the Macintosh Sherlock search format, so any search engine that supports it can be used.
What's the matter, Mozilla? Run out of ideas for your own "standards" and started using Apple's? quote:
Can manage saved passwords
Lets you view and delete stored login and passwords.
Or you could not store your passwords. quote:
Master password encrypts info
A single master password can be used to protect all of your other passwords
See previous answer. quote:
Can fill-in complete forms automatically
Stores complete forms which can be later be filled in automatically. This is useful if you want to register for something 600 times.
Now why would I want to register for something 600 times? quote:
Can disable tooltips
Not very exciting,
You said it!
That's enough for now, stay tuned for part two.
[ December 20, 2002: Message edited by: * Red Ranger Software * PC Commando ]
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dude, what's your problem?
mozilla isn't proprietary...it's open source last time i looked, and with constantly new builds available...
if you don't like something like the 'sidebar', which i don't, you can remove it (which i did)
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That's enough for now, stay tuned for part two.
Why? I stopped during installment one when I realised YOU MISSED THE FUCKING POINT.
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Heh heh, it was pretty funny though. I always complained that RRS never wrote more than two or three words in each of his posts. Maybe it's better if it stays that way.
And he's complaining about Mozilla supporting standards (like those developed by Apple) which I find quite odd. That's the entire point of a standard, so everyone can use it.
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RSS - cool.
For us newbies it's useful to read replies to OSS.
When I meet the same points in the real world I am prepared.
If Microsoft produced a brilliant piece of software that did exactly what I wanted at a price I could justify - if it's a business decision then I must buy Microsoft.
OSS has so far impressed me and I do spread the word - but because it's excellent software not because it's OSS.
All points of view are useful for some here and RRS spent too much time on it to be considered at all trollish.
Part 2 would be cool.
"Know your enemy"
zooloo
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* Red Ranger Software * PC Commando
Dude what drug are you smoking?
Its never to late to get help.
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quote:
Originally posted by * Red Ranger Software * PC Commando:
OK: You said it!
That's enough for now, stay tuned for part two.
[ December 20, 2002: Message edited by: * Red Ranger Software * PC Commando ]
Red Ranger software, how is anything in Mozilla proprietary?
Someone delete his post and save the webhosting of this site some hard disk.
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Moz and or chimera ... (chimera.mozzila.com) ... are way better than IE. IE is the biggest peice of crap browswer i have ever used. :mad:
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Originally posted by X11:
save the webhosting of this site some hard disk.
........uh-huh.......
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Mozilla sucks. IE sucks even more. Chimera kicks ass. Phoenix kicks ass. Omniweb is OK. Netscape blows.
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* Red Ranger Software *: PC Jihad kamikaze pilot: Some people actually like Notepad.
Why would you like Notepad? It can only display black text, which is very anoying while making a webpage.
Try Vim (http://www.vim.org/), it comes in a very stable Win32 build (you may have to download the English language pack, but I'm not sure (http://tongue.gif) )
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RRS:
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This is what I hate about Mozilla: they refuse to support useful IE tags, yet invent their own.
yeah, < IFRAME> is increadably useful -- especially to virus writers.
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quote: one can select between them by choosing from the View menu.
Another proprietary Mozilla "standard".
yeah, the "view" menu at the top of everything was patented by the mozilla corp -- er, wait a minute...
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View Source
View the syntax coloured source of a page, without having to view it in Notepad.
Some people actually like Notepad.
and some people don't. Given the choice, do you prefer black text or context highlighting?
Here's some homework:
lookup XML and XUL.
lookup "proprietary". use it in a sentance.
name a standard that mozilla invented that would not be possible to implement anywhere else.
-t.
[ December 26, 2002: Message edited by: beltorak0 ]
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Crazy Browser:
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Minimum System Requirements
Computer/Processor : 486DX/66 or higher
Operating System : Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows Me, Windows 2000, Windows XP or Windows NT 4.0 or later
Disk Space: 5 MB available for installation
Memory: 16 MB RAM
Browser: Microsoft
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Where's the tab browsing. I've been using it all day, and the only tab I've seen is in the fridge. *rimshot*
Aha! Just found it. Is useless.
[ December 27, 2002: Message edited by: fett101 ]
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fett101 is on heroin, we dont give a fuck!
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Originally posted by The Master of Reality / B0b:
........uh-huh.......
i should have put space on the end.
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Originally posted by char X[11]:
fett101 is on heroin, we dont give a fuck!
I didn't know you cared.
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Originally posted by fett101:
Where's the tab browsing. I've been using it all day, and the only tab I've seen is in the fridge. *rimshot*
Aha! Just found it. Is useless.
[ December 27, 2002: Message edited by: fett101 ]
I actually thought the same thing. However I first ran across it in Opera. It got me wondering. Why would two popular browsers put this seemingly useless feature in?
So I decided to use it in some power browsing, having half a dozen pages open and working on them, viewing forums (and posting), sending and reading e-mail, viewing some info sites and placing orders on Amazon.
Switching between sites became so easy, so organized and so fast, it is now an important requirement. I work faster because of this one feature, and it is so much cleaner and more efficient than seperate windows.
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Originally posted by * Red Ranger Software * PC Commando:
That's enough for now, stay tuned for part two.
How long is that going to take? It's been over 3 weeks.
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tabbed browsing fucking rocks! how could somebody not realise how fantastic this feature is the first time the see it? i could not stand having 20 instances of IE open! it crashes the 'operating system' for a start...
also, i just took time to read through clock's 'replies' there, what a crock of shit. he either says 'this feature is useless so i am glad it is not in IE' (which is exactly what MS say, it translates as "You WILL do things OUR WAY! MWAH HA HA HA HAAAAAA!") or else he posts some crap about some plugin, 3rd party garbage, spyware addon or some hack that requires you to go and edit files and directory contents manually. Cookie management for instance. RRS, show me how 'C/WINDOWS/Cookies' helps me set up my cookies so that cookies are only accepted from the same server as the webpage i am viewing and are deleted at the moment that i close the browser? all decent browsers include this feature (konqueror does not, which is why it sucks compared to galeon and the mozillas).
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You'll need IE 6 for this: Tools -> Internet Options -> Privacy -> Advanced -> First-party cookies: Accept, Third-party cookies: Block
And as for deleting cookies every time you log off, why would you want to? If you ask me, having to log in to a site every time you visit it (and having to remember the username and password) is much more hassle than the unwelcome cookies you're trying to avoid. You'd be much better off setting the above option to Prompt (or not visiting sites that store unwelcome cookies). But if you must, stick this in your AUTOEXEC.BAT:
DELTREE/Y WINDOWS\COOKIES
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And furthermore, I like Outlook Express because it has so many flaws and bugs.
I love bugs! Mozilla Mail doesn't have any bugs, and therefore it sucks!
Watch my stupid poledancing movie (http://rrs.home7.dk3.com/redgrounds/14.htm) which has a stolen music sample from Duke Nukem 3D.
Oh shit, that music sample belongs to 3DRealms :eek:
You guys won't try to sue me... right?
[ January 13, 2003: Message edited by: * Red Ranger Software * ]
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What the hell are you talking about? Duke Nukem stole half his sounds from Doom and Hexen.
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And he stole his lines from Evil Dead.
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Oh wait... I was such a moron... 3DRealms made the music file played in level two of episode 1, in the stripper room, there own. It's called "barmusic.voc".
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You'll need IE 6 for this: Tools -> Internet Options -> Privacy -> Advanced -> First-party cookies: Accept, Third-party cookies: Block
i won't need ie for that you dumbass. currently i am using phoenix and it goes 'Tools>Preferences>Privacy>Enable cookies for the originating webserver only'. as i said before ANY good webbrowser supports this (however i do not think it is 'advanced' which leads me to believe that either IE patronises its users or else those users really are too stupid to know what cookies are).
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And as for deleting cookies every time you log off, why would you want to? If you ask me, having to log in to a site every time you visit it (and having to remember the username and password) is much more hassle than the unwelcome cookies you're trying to avoid.
i did not ask your opinion on this matter. in phoenix (and any good webbrowser) you can set this option using a tickbox in the same dialogue i used above for the cookies. simple and easy. what if i use a public computer and i want to be sure i will be logged off from any sites i visit even if i forget to logout manually? i suppose you're about to tell me to edit some system file with a text editor or some shit, when it would be quite simple to put this in a little dialogue box in preferences. quote:
You'd be much better off setting the above option to Prompt
and have some 'OK' box EVERY time i visit a site? no thanks, dumbass quote:
(or not visiting sites that store unwelcome cookies).
right. "Doctor it hurts when i do this" "Don't do that then". I am glad microsoft does not make medicines. You'd only be allowed to catch authorised diseases! quote:
But if you must, stick this in your AUTOEXEC.BAT:
DELTREE/Y WINDOWS\COOKIES
ah here we go, finally this nice easy intuitive 'start up notepad and type this' bollocks. i thought windows was supposed to be easy? not only does this action NOT have a GUI but i would bet my hat it is NOT documented anywhere that a new user might find it. By contrast you can hardly miss it in phoenix, mozilla and galeon. No i prefer software that lets me do what i want, NOT what somebody else wants me to do.
Why do you continue to stand up for your puppeteers? is it true that you really have no freewill of your own?
two more points:
1) i don't need to take your convoluted advice and follow the ridiculous instructions because i use a real system and a real browser. i don't even have an autoexec.bat
2) will your autoexec.bat advice work in NT? will it work in XP? will it work in WinME? i don't honestly know. i am aware however that different versions of windows use different utils and different flags, making it all another degree more confusing. i am sure that while win98 has deltree, winme does not (or is it the other way round) and does xp have an autoexec.bat? (i bet it does actually, what progress!)
[ January 13, 2003: Message edited by: Calum ]
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Originally posted by * Red Ranger Software * PC Commando:
You'll need IE 6 for this: Tools -> Internet Options -> Privacy -> Advanced -> First-party cookies: Accept, Third-party cookies: Block
And as for deleting cookies every time you log off, why would you want to? If you ask me, having to log in to a site every time you visit it (and having to remember the username and password) is much more hassle than the unwelcome cookies you're trying to avoid. You'd be much better off setting the above option to Prompt (or not visiting sites that store unwelcome cookies). But if you must, stick this in your AUTOEXEC.BAT:
DELTREE/Y WINDOWS\COOKIES
Mozilla gives me control of every individual cookie to deal with as I decide.
I can set the browser to log in to ANY site automatically, if I choose, refusing cookies does not in fact prevent this.
Refusing cookies does two things it prevents the immoral and in some places illegal collection of data about me without my knowledge and it increases my security because little files containing personal data such as my address and passwords are not available to anyone trying to read them. It's not that I should or shouldn't it's quite simply that I can (CHOICE is the operative word here).
And I should edit the the autoexec.bat file to remove cookies - what a fucking good idea, I've just been surfing the web now wait while I reboot my machine to get rid of the cookies, and as far as I know Macs do not have autoexec.
[ January 13, 2003: Message edited by: Linux Frank ]
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I might if you don't take my name outof your sig!! :mad: :mad: :mad:
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Wait...Disregard that last post (this forum really needs a "delete post" button).
What the hell is RRR doing with my name in his sig?!?!?!
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<LINK> isn't a mozilla "made up" tag. It's part of the w3c standard.
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Originally posted by M. O'Brien:
<LINK> isn't a mozilla "made up" tag. It's part of the w3c standard.
I haven't looked it up myself, but i assume your right. just wondering why "made up" is quoted... haven't actually seen the phrase "made up" anywhere in this topic except this post. anyways... yeah! it's a standard (i thinks).
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Originally posted by Stryker:
I haven't looked it up myself, but i assume your right. just wondering why "made up" is quoted... haven't actually seen the phrase "made up" anywhere in this topic except this post. anyways... yeah! it's a standard (i thinks).
Look on page one of this topic... Search for "invent". It wasn't an exact quote.
[ January 14, 2003: Message edited by: void main ]
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Originally posted by void main:
Look on page one of this topic... Search for "invent". It wasn't an exact quote.
[ January 14, 2003: Message edited by: void main ]
I know, it's just that it's one of my peeves when people quote things that aren't actually said... i cant explain it. just a little thing that bugs me. So I have to point it out for once, if I didn't i'd go to sleep with nightmares and never walk strait again.
[ January 14, 2003: Message edited by: Stryker ]
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i see quotes (using quotation marks) as being either an actual quote, or a way to emphasize something, almost sarcastically.
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Originally posted by Xyle: iGeek...:
i see quotes (using quotation marks) as being either an actual quote, or a way to emphasize something, almost sarcastically.
That's what bugs me, how can quotes be anything but a quote? Doesn't matter, I just felt like posting something, it's been a while. This is getting a bit off topic, i'm sorry people, I need some sleep though, haven't slept in about 4 days.
later
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Originally posted by Stryker:
I need some sleep though, haven't slept in about 4 days.
You wouldn't happen to be related to X11 would you?
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Originally posted by Stryker:
That's what bugs me, how can quotes be anything but a quote? Doesn't matter, I just felt like posting something, it's been a while. This is getting a bit off topic, i'm sorry people, I need some sleep though, haven't slept in about 4 days.
later
you're right. if you are quoting somebody sarcastically, then you look like a prize dumbass if they didn't actually say what you are ridiculing them for saying (even if the gist is the same) in my opinion.
pedants of the world unite! (actually it should be 'pedants of the world are united' or should it be...)
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I used the quotes because I can't figure out how to make the Dr. Evil hand signals in UBB.
We invented a death ray which called a "LASER..."
I apologize for confusion.
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Originally posted by M. O'Brien:
I used the quotes because I can't figure out how to make the Dr. Evil hand signals in UBB.
We invented a death ray which called a "LASER..."
I apologize for confusion.
it's
edit: Nope, it doesn't...
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Ya know. Once ya bind the middle mouse button to open a new tab, it then becomes handy.
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you're right. if you are quoting somebody sarcastically, then you look like a prize dumbass if they didn't actually say what you are ridiculing them for saying (even if the gist is the same) in my opinion.
im sorry, i should have been more clear. Its not quoting them sarcastically, its a way to emphasize a particular word. like using DrEvil hand quotes. I suppose we could just make that particular text bold instead of using quotes. or use 'word' instead of "word"
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you know one pointless thing i noticed about these forums? this is different from this!
the first one uses the QB tag and the second one uses the B tag. this translates into html as <strong> and <b> respectively. it's kind of like the difference between <em> and <i> ie: it's there but there's no point for it, or at least i have never found an html viewer that displays the two differently.
[ January 16, 2003: Message edited by: Calum ]
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mozilla with the retro skin is nice. If i was AOL Time Warner "NOTE: WHICH I AM NOT" i would make mozilla my default browser instead of netscape.
The open source of mozilla is sweet. :D
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Uhm it looks to me as if there is no Part 2.
* RRS *: Eat my nutsack.
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Originally posted by raptor:
mozilla with the retro skin is nice. If i was AOL Time Warner "NOTE: WHICH I AM NOT" i would make mozilla my default browser instead of netscape.
they do, they just add a lot of shitty netscape logos and change the name from 'mozilla' to 'netscape'.