Stop Microsoft
Miscellaneous => Applications => Topic started by: Zombie9920 on 30 August 2002, 17:47
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http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,493248,00.asp (http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,493248,00.asp)
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Certainly true. Netscape 7.0 comes with all the features that Mozilla 1.1a already had six months ago.
Again: Netscape is an extraction of Mozilla, combined with AOL Time Warner's corparate s**t.
If your using Netscape, and your worried about switching to Mozilla, than I recommend you do it.
At first you've heard the weird story's about Mozilla being too difficult and not compatible with most websites. But when you try Mozilla you realize that those stories are untrue, and you've should have installed it instead of Netscape.
[ August 30, 2002: Message edited by: Refalm ]
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I prefer IE6, but I do have Mozilla installed for rare occasions when I want to view a website that has IE blocked(like X11's site). Mozilla doesn't have what it takes to switch me from IE but I will say that it is definatley better than Netscape. I won't even install a Netscape browser on my system ever since AOL bought NS. From what I hear NS 7 has more spyware than NS6 did.
That alone is enough to keep me from even trying NS7.
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Mozilla kicks ass. I use it all the time, the only reason i use ie is to check my companies web page, to make sure it will open correctly for our clients. other than that, i use mozilla for windows and mac. Love it. i only wish it had mosue gestures like opera.
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If u try at Mozilla source codes, what do u see? Netscape original code right? Mozilla is netscape with a dinosaur logo. I once tried downloading a Mozilla theme, and when I started Netscape it got the Mozilla logo too!!!
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They share much of the same code. Mozilla code is turned in to Netscape after heavy mods so you will see features in Mozilla before you will see them in Netscape. Now one big difference is the addition of boatloads of commercial crap and registration annoyances. There are other differences but I don't know why anyone would use Netscape over Mozilla. But then I use neither (Konqueror is my browser of choice) so...
See: http://www.mozilla.org/docs/mozilla-faq.html (http://www.mozilla.org/docs/mozilla-faq.html)
[ August 30, 2002: Message edited by: VoidMain ]
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I love Mozilla now! I love how I can neuter cookies and permanantly say no to useless cookies, and say yes to stuff like sign in cookies. Did I fuck up? Just go into the handy cookie manager and modify my site choices.
Plus your susposed to have better speed, better reliability, and more security over IE. Thanks for showing me Mozilla!
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Originally posted by Zombie9920:
I prefer IE6, but I do have Mozilla installed for rare occasions when I want to view a website that has IE blocked(like X11's site). Mozilla doesn't have what it takes to switch me from IE but I will say that it is definatley better than Netscape. I won't even install a Netscape browser on my system ever since AOL bought NS. From what I hear NS 7 has more spyware than NS6 did.
That alone is enough to keep me from even trying NS7.
If spyware bothers you so much, then by what manifestation of sanity are you using IE?
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Originally posted by Doctor V:
If spyware bothers you so much, then by what manifestation of sanity are you using IE?
IE doesn't contain spyware d00d. It is a standalone browser(it doesn't have a bunch of support our finances crap intergrated into the browser like Netscape), plain and simple. :rolleyes:
Even MSN Explorer(which has all of the nifty extras like one click mail box access, shopping channel links, etc. that Netscape has) doesn't even have spyware. Netscape is just a fucking joke. What do you expect from a company who sold out to AOL though?. It seems that any company that has been bought out by AOL decide to throw spyware into thier new crap. Why do so many companies sell out to AOL?
I think there should be a www.fuckaol.com (http://www.fuckaol.com) site. At least a site like that would have some real dirt on the company they are bashing rather than all of the hersay crap that exists here(like people claiming that IE is spyware even though it isn't).
[ September 04, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
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Zombie you think IE has no spyware because if it did you would feel bad, hence you lie to yourself. I know IE has spyware. I have seen it report crap with packet sniffer's before.
What does IE have that Mozilla doesnt Zombie?
Only a fully compatible browser, with the source as his ally will kill Darth Fences.
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Originally posted by Ex Eleven / b0b:
Zombie you think IE has no spyware because if it did you would feel bad, hence you lie to yourself. I know IE has spyware. I have seen it report crap with packet sniffer's before.
What does IE have that Mozilla doesnt Zombie?
Only a fully compatible browser, with the source as his ally will kill Darth Fences.
IE doesn't have spyware out of the box. It is easy to obtain spyware cookies and registry entries in IE though because of ad-banners. The ad-banner sites can be blocked if you modify your HOSTS file. Alexa and fastclick are the 2 most common forms of spyware that IE aquires from just surfing the net. The reason why IE is more affected by spyware stuff than Mozilla is because the ad-banner sites code thier shit for the most browser. If Mozilla was the top dawg in the market then the stuff would be designed to be picked up by Mozilla. It isn't IE's fault that all of these websites choose to use ad-banners to bring in revenues.
What does IE have that Mozilla doesn't? Hmmm, maybe support for extra mouse buttons? Extra features on sites(like IE6 can use Chat 2.0(an extra) or standard Java chat in Yahoo chat as opposed to Mozilla only being able to use Java chat) ;P
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Ok then, which web site is the first site the browser goes to after install or new user profile? What does it throw in the "runonce" registry key after installation? Phone home I tell ya...
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How can runonce phone home if you haven't even setup your internet connection yet? There is no way that it could even use your modem/NIC to phone home if you haven't even installed the drivers for the device yet anyways.
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Here's what Microsoft has to say about it:
http://home.microsoft.com/runonce.asp (http://home.microsoft.com/runonce.asp)
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Ohh, I thought you were talking about runonce.exe(what runs the first time Windows boots to setup your Windows configuration). That runonce page is harmless, just click keep current settings and it won't fuck with your system or phone home. I've always had my firewalls installed before I even attempt to get on any browser(IE) included so I can keep track of logs. That page has never caused my firewall to log a connection to Microsoft. The only thing my firewall logs is a connection to http://www.msn.com (http://www.msn.com) (just like it should since I use msn.com as my homepage). If IE was phoning home it would connect to a microsoft.com (not msn.com) server.
Saying IE phones home is just as ridiculous as saying Mozilla phones home to keep track of how many people actually use it.
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Actually I originally mentioned the "runonce" registry key which is used by any application that wants to use it. There is one for HKLM and HKCU. When you install an application it can use that key to run a program once after a reboot or login, then it removes the program from the key. Many Windows viruses use this key. However, I was thinking of the runonce.asp page.
And there was an article about why MSN was getting such a large number of hits because IE defaulted to it. Are you saying that MS doesn't own MSN? I would not consider this a serious case of phone home, but it's surely phone home when they use the collected information (such as IE hit count on MSN). My prefered browser (Konqueror) opens up to a page on the local hard drive on a default installation. I much prefer that.
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MSN.com (Microsoft Network) is definatley owned by MS obviously. Them having a hit counter is nothing. I know tons of sites that have a hit counter. If the browser was phoning home with info about the name of the registered user for the particular installation of Windows, about your system, etc. it would connect to a server that has microsoft.com on it. Like when WMP connects/phones home to get info about a CD that you are playing in it, or if it is checking a digital signature on protected content it connects to windowsmedia.microsoft.com . Of course WMP phoning home on those occasions is no big deal if you ask me. Before anyone comments on WMP phoning home occasionaly I'll just take my time to remind you all that most modern media players do phone home to get album info(like Winamp, Creative PlayCenter, MusicMatch JukeBox, RealPlayer, etc.) so it isn't something that you can criticize MS for. It sure beats the hell out of having to manually enter album and track info(like you had to do with the CD Player in Windows 95).
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Well there is a fair amount of information that can come from an IE browser "hit". You can tell the version of IE, the version of OS, the IP address that the hit is from, etc, etc. Now it may be far fetched but that information could be used to trigger an audit of a company based on this information (who knows what criteria goes into the M$ audit triggers).
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maybe that's one of the usual ways they decide to audit somebody?
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If the browser was phoning home with info about the name of the registered user for the particular installation of Windows, about your system, etc. it would connect to a server that has microsoft.com on it.
what? why?
what's to stop Microsoft registering other domain names just for this purpose to try and throw you off the scent?
also, i have winamp, i also have CDexOS. both can access the internet if i allow it, but to download track listings and so on, they only connect to the FreeCDDB server. they do not 'phone home'. Do you only trust Microsoft certified track listings now?
might i add that the several procedures you have mentioned already in this thread zombie are not widely known about or used. they are fiddly and will not be found in any docs or help files by the casual user.
also, how can you trust a browser that is integrated into your operating system?
one last point, mozilla and opera run on about eight types of operating system, how many does IE run on?
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Originally posted by Calum:
maybe that's one of the usual ways they decide to audit somebody? what? why?
what's to stop Microsoft registering other domain names just for this purpose to try and throw you off the scent?
also, i have winamp, i also have CDexOS. both can access the internet if i allow it, but to download track listings and so on, they only connect to the FreeCDDB server. they do not 'phone home'. Do you only trust Microsoft certified track listings now?
might i add that the several procedures you have mentioned already in this thread zombie are not widely known about or used. they are fiddly and will not be found in any docs or help files by the casual user.
also, how can you trust a browser that is integrated into your operating system?
one last point, mozilla and opera run on about eight types of operating system, how many does IE run on?
Creative Playcenter also connects to CDDB. The point is, other media players phone to a home too(CDDB being the home being phoned to for a couple of the players..who is to say CDDB doesn't collect data about a user though?). MS doesn't have to rely on a retrieval service like CDDB because they are large enough to have thier own retrieval databse. Collecting media info is nothing anyone should be worried about.
The idea of MS registring another domain to throw people off is a clever thought. However, I still don't think that IE phones home because the only addresses that show up on my firewall log are addresses that I have visited(nothing suspicious has ever come up) and the IP's of lamers who try to port sniff me and/or try to hack me(nobody has ever successfully broke through though (http://tongue.gif) ). IE runs on 2 different OSes...Windows and MacOS.
Do I only trust MS certified track listings? Nope, not at all. I don't even bother with propriarity formats that can be protected(like wma and wmv). If I get something that is propriarity I use the appropriate program to convert it to non-propriarity(I've taken a serious liking to TMPGEnc Plus for all of my propriarity video to mpeg video conversion needs). The only formats I will use on my system are MP3 for audio and MPEG/MPG for video. I refuse to use Quicktime, Real Media or Windows Media propriarity formats. ;P
[ September 04, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
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Originally posted by Zombie9920:
The idea of MS registring another domain to throw people off is a clever thought. However, I still don't think that IE phones home because the only addresses that show up on my firewall log are addresses that I have visited(nothing suspicious has ever come up) and the IP's of lamers who try to port sniff me and/or try to hack me(nobody has ever successfully broke through though (http://tongue.gif) ). IE runs on 2 different OSes...Windows and MacOS.
now i think about it, isn't there a trial version for UX as well? re: firewall, okay, you are smart enough to have good firewalling, i know that, but are most people? i think it is bad news to play off people's ignorance, so maybe the only reason you have a clean log is due to your own decent administration of your own system.
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Do I only trust MS certified track listings? Nope, not at all. I don't even bother with propriarity formats that can be protected(like wma and wmv). If I get something that is propriarity I use the appropriate program to convert it to non-propriarity(I've taken a serious liking to TMPGEnc Plus for all of my propriarity video to mpeg video conversion needs). The only formats I will use on my system are MP3 for audio and MPEG/MPG for video. I refuse to use Quicktime, Real Media or Windows Media propriarity formats. ;P
good! me too, however i have yet to find any decent program to convert quicktime into anything else. any good suggestions for this sort of thing? i particularly want support for this stuff in linux, so maybe you are not the person to ask. and i already went to doom9, which was good, up to a point... sorry, off topic.
with you making comments like this, zombie4627824678, people might get the idea that you're a pretty reasonable guy! you need to watch that...
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I use TMPGEnc Plus to convert Quicktime video to MPEG. TMPGEnc doesn't let you know that you can do this(probably so Apple can't sue). When you are choosing your video source file pull down the *files of type* menu down and put it on All Files(*.*), then select your Quicktime video and do the rest like you normally would to encode the video.
In a matter of minutes you will have your QT video converted to MPEG. I haven't ran into a QT video that it hasn't converted yet.
(EDIT)The build of TMPGEnc I have is 2.57.41.146(I'm getting ready to update to 2.58 now that I know it is available). Version 2.58 is now available at www.tmpgenc.net. (http://www.tmpgenc.net.). 2.58 is somewhat free. There is a timebomb on MPEG-2(SVCD/DVD format) encoding functionality(I can help you with removing that timebomb though ;P). There is no timebomb for the MPEG-1(Video CD) encoding functionality.
Sorry, I don't know of any good Linux video encoder apps. ;(
[ September 04, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
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Calum mencoder (http://www.rpmfind.net//linux/RPM/cooker/contrib/RPMS/mencoder-0.90-0.pre6.15mdk.i586.html) is what you want for video conversion. It converts fram all formats that mplayer reads. (AVI/ASF/OGG/DVD/VCD/VOB/MPG/MOV/VIV/FLI/RM/NUV/NET)
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somebody need to work on mencoder, i think it is single threaded. so having an origin or anything like that won't speed up the dvd to divx, or whatever to divx, mplayer needs to multithreaded, i mean, smp is the future, and yes, mplayer kicks alot of ass. it doesn't have a history function on the gui, it can be used without a gui, or even X, it supports a bunch of odd ass hardware
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MEncoder really is an excellent and powerful app *if* you can get it set up on your system. I agree it needs a LOT of work as I fought for a couple of hours one day trying to get all the pieces together. When I did I must say it was worth it as it provided exactly the flexibility I needed in creating the movies I needed from still JPEG images (in addition to all the other types of conversion/manipulation that you can do with it).
If they could just get it into the necessary RPMs for each OS they would be about done. Maybe they have that by now, it's been a little while since I last installed it.
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Originally posted by VoidMain:
MEncoder really is an excellent and powerful app *if* you can get it set up on your system. I agree it needs a LOT of work as I fought for a couple of hours one day trying to get all the pieces together. When I did I must say it was worth it as it provided exactly the flexibility I needed in creating the movies I needed from still JPEG images (in addition to all the other types of conversion/manipulation that you can do with it).
If they could just get it into the necessary RPMs for each OS they would be about done. Maybe they have that by now, it's been a little while since I last installed it.
Voidman, I got it working. So if I got it working anyone can get it working.
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Tux, you seem to be pretty good at this stuff, you are trying to be funny by selling yourself short. I guess the only thing I can think of that could be added to MEncoder is a GUI frontend for those who need it (ick). But maybe there is one out there? Or maybe it already has one and I just didn't look. I probably wouldn't have used it if it came with one but I am sure many people would find it useful.
Now there is an idea for a beginner programming project. All the hard work is already done, it would just be a GUI that performs system calls of all of the MEncoder options. That could get pretty complex as there are many options and ways to pipe things but the tools and hard work still is already done. Oh and put everything in a nice RPM package for all the popular Linux distros. (http://smile.gif)
[ September 05, 2002: Message edited by: VoidMain ]
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2 seconds on google and look what I found...
kmencoder (http://rpmfind.net/linux/RPM/cooker/contrib/RPMS/kmencoder-0.1.2-2mdk.i586.html)
I don't want it, somebodey else might...
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Wow, that project is only a couple of weeks old! It's almost like I can see into the past. With talent like that I better stay away from Vegas!
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Originally posted by Zombie9920:
IE doesn't have spyware out of the box. It is easy to obtain spyware cookies and registry entries in IE though because of ad-banners. The ad-banner sites can be blocked if you modify your HOSTS file.
What edit a file in Windows... sory too difficult when i can just do the same in the prefrences for Mozilla.
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Alexa and fastclick are the 2 most common forms of spyware that IE aquires from just surfing the net. The reason why IE is more affected by spyware stuff than Mozilla is because the ad-banner sites code thier shit for the most browser.
And you bag my english... Mozilla is preety spyware proof. And with Mozilla i can add custom code too it.
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If Mozilla was the top dawg in the market then the stuff would be designed to be picked up by Mozilla. It isn't IE's fault that all of these websites choose to use ad-banners to bring in revenues.
Oh sorry, a standard sedan must be better then a BMW because more people own them... I guess i should go buy a GM listen to eminem and use Windows and IE, thanks for elightening me!
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What does IE have that Mozilla doesn't? Hmmm, maybe support for extra mouse buttons? Extra
Has support for my mouse wheel, thats fine... If i get a mouse with more buttons i will get the source and do it myself.
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features on sites(like IE6 can use Chat 2.0(an extra) or standard Java chat in Yahoo chat as opposed to Mozilla only being able to use Java chat) ;P
Ba hahahaha ever heard of IRC!
Oh, i just said what im replying too to my bother
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tell him hes a poof
Your a poof!
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*Ba hahahaha ever heard of IRC!*
Of course I have. I get alot of popular files through IRC. I don't sit around and chat with people on IRC though because there are way too many lamers on it(idiots who always type in l33t speak, think they are h4x0rs, etc.).
(EDIT)BMW's are overpriced and overrated. You can get a performance equivalent/better performaing GM for alot less than a beamer.
[ September 05, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
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Originally posted by Zombie9920:
I don't sit around and chat with people on IRC though because there are way too many lamers on it(idiots who always type in l33t speak, think they are h4x0rs, etc.).
Z0m-B! U R u1tr@ gh@y!!!
133t5p34k 15 c001 @z nutz!
w@tch 1t R 1 wi11 H@xx0r U!!!!!!
(edit - sarcasm, btw... for those of you who can't tell! ;) (http://tongue.gif) )
[ September 05, 2002: Message edited by: Calum ]
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ROFLMFAO
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Originally posted by VoidMain:
Wow, that project is only a couple of weeks old! It's almost like I can see into the past. With talent like that I better stay away from Vegas!
you better stay away from vegas or... you might be able to see into the past and realize that you lost all your money an hour ago when you are $10000 in debt (then a loanshark will come and break your kneecaps (http://smile.gif) )
[ September 05, 2002: Message edited by: Master of Reality / Bob ]
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Originally posted by Zombie9920:
*Ba hahahaha ever heard of IRC!*
Of course I have. I get alot of popular files through IRC. I don't sit around and chat with people on IRC though because there are way too many lamers on it(idiots who always type in l33t speak, think they are h4x0rs, etc.).
(EDIT)BMW's are overpriced and overrated. You can get a performance equivalent/better performaing GM for alot less than a beamer.
What about handleing... no a GM, Ford, and all those US Built cars handle like crap compared to a BMW.
Get a Ford Falcon (Aussie) get a 850 Ci (close anyway) Engine from ford put on four turbos and you have about 3000hp, that should keep you wheels spinning.
I Dont mind GM, but in australia there is a company owned by them (not real GM) that sell crap, so i prefer ford.
www.holden.com.au (http://www.holden.com.au)
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