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Miscellaneous => Applications => Topic started by: kjg on 10 February 2002, 12:30
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that I thought the folks here might be interested in:
http://www.98lite.net/ieradicator.html (http://www.98lite.net/ieradicator.html)
"IEradicator is tiny, script that uses the Windows setup engine to surgically remove Internet Explorer versions 3 through 6.0 from Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows 98 Second Edition, Windows Millennium and Windows 2000(sr1).
If you are one of the 70+% for which IE is the browser that floats your boat you can reinstall the version you prefer. If not, then you can bask in the inner glow of knowing you just secured your PC from all known and unknown, past and future, IE security bugs while claiming back 30+MB of closet space. Isn't it nice to have the choice?"
You don't have an evil grin icon, so I'll try to make my own
}:->
Karen
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Using IEradicator is an excellent idea if you use Winders. Not only for the added security, but also to rid yourself of the A Number One cause of BSODs. With IE gone, you'll have far fewer crashes and lock-ups. How that piece of shit ever saw the light of day on any system is beyond me. :confused:
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cool program.
Does anyone know if Mozilla or any OpenSource browser runs on windows??
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by dbl221:
cool program.
Does anyone know if Mozilla or any OpenSource browser runs on windows??
:rolleyes:
Buy Opera! It's worth it! It even has it's own integtrated mail client, so you don't need Outlook Express either. But if you don't want to buy it, they have an ad-supported free version. The banner ad is the ONLY difference between the free and paid version.
http://www.opera.com/index.html (http://www.opera.com/index.html)
My one peeve with Opera is that there's no spell checker. But there's a shareware ($5) utility called All Purpose Spell Checker (APSC) that works pretty well with it. Unfortunately, the domain has been stolen and now leads to a porn site, so you have to download it from a mirror.
Here's one with a review: http://www.geocities.com/horsebagger/spellcheck.html (http://www.geocities.com/horsebagger/spellcheck.html)
And here's an automatic ftp download:
http://www.programfiles.com/download.asp?ID=136&session=916089779 (http://www.programfiles.com/download.asp?ID=136&session=916089779)
Karen
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Hey,
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Originally posted by dbl221:
cool program.
Does anyone know if Mozilla or any OpenSource browser runs on windows??
:rolleyes:
Mozilla runs perfectly under windows. I used it all the time before I switched to Linux.
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I must admit to having only briefly tried Opera, so I don't really know about that.
When I'm not using Lynx (looks to passers-by at work like you're doing something complicated and technical when you're really reading SlashDot...) I use Mozilla on all my desktop environments including Windows 2000 and 98.
Very few crashes (though not unknown on Win or Linux) and does everything I want from a browser. And this is before they've even released a 1.0 version!
One of the things I like the most about it is the ability to open up links in a new 'tab' within your existing browser window rather than ending up with twenty browser windows cluttering up your desktop.
http://www.mozilla.org/ (http://www.mozilla.org/) for all platforms...
K-Meleon is also quite a nice small-footprint browser based on the Mozilla rendering engine if you've got a low-spec PC...
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What does this do exactly? It removes IE, 6 too? And it removes all the shit with it like the hidden files?
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In most cases, simply not using Internet Explorer should deal with your hidden files... it can't save them out of your reach if they're never going through IE in the first place.
Of course it's better for you to get rid of IE altogether since its security vulnerabilities are all still there lurking in some obscure code running in the background. And of course you can never quite tell when it'll decide to re-associate itself as the default browser again.
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I think to be on the safe side:
1. remove IExplore with this little IEradicator program
2. Get a printout of the r1ddler's secret files article and follow the instructions step by step
3. get Opera, or Mozilla or whatever else.
This way, even if the hidden files are still kicking around after step 1, step 2 will sort them out and no mistake.
I recommend Opera. On windows (but not on Mac) it has that excellent thing that IanC mentions where you only get 1 window, but each new window opens in a "tab", if you've ever used M$ Word (shudder), then you are familiar with this idea.
Haven't tried Lynx or Mozilla yet, but it might be worth getting them in addition to Opera, since as Karen says, the free version of Opera has a banner ad in the toolbar, which can get a bit annoying, although it never bothered me much...
Opera saves a "mystery history" file too, but it is VERY easy to manage and VoidMain and a couple of others answer this query in another forum somewhere on here...
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Hey gang for some reason Galeon is having difficulty acessing .org sites......Mozilla of course has no such troubles....????
What gives.
Lynx sucks........thats all I have to say ;)
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lynx is still great for reading html documentation from a shell. And it can be used in scripts very easily, and has lots of command line parameters that allow you to do things you just can't do with regular browsers. It's obviously not a first choice for your daily web browsing but it works better than anything else for "some" tasks.
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Hey,
I tried lynx the other day and it definitely reminded me of the old Lynx bbs software that I used to use under dos years ago. I don't know if it is by the same person but it is simular.
As to my humble opinion Mozilla kicks ass over every other browser I have tried although I have to say Konqueror is pretty cool. As far Galeon I noticed that it did not like the .org extension also that is one of the reasons I quit using it.
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By Robert Vamosi, AnchorDesk.com
Is it time to dump Internet Explorer?
Microsoft's popular Web browser is riddled with security holes -- some of which the software giant has yet to patch. How can you protect yourself?
click here to read what Mr Vamosi has to say regarding the amazing "M$ integrated desktop" and Internet Explorer (http://www.anchordesk.co.uk/anchordesk/commentary/columns/0,2415,7111750,00.html)
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Originally posted by dbl221:
Lynx sucks........thats all I have to say ;)
Just tell that to a visualy impaired computer user who wants to access the internet without going through the hassle to use IE with speech software ....
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Originally posted by Calum:
click here to read what Mr Vamosi has to say regarding the amazing "M$ integrated desktop" and Internet Explorer (http://www.anchordesk.co.uk/anchordesk/commentary/columns/0,2415,7111750,00.html)
Ya know what bothers me about that article? It didn't seem to bother the author that MSN Messenger is hard coded to give up your contact and email address information to microsoft.com, hotmail.com, and msn.com. To me *that* is worse than the bug/hole. I'm glad I don't use that spyware crap.
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I love to eradicate IE from my system, but my online banking only working IE. :(
I use Opera for all other browsing tasks tho. (http://smile.gif)
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Hey I hat the same problem with .org in Galleon........man I thought I was going insane with that prblem.
As for your banking....it is doubtfull that your bank prohibits you from using Mozilla and Co....try playing with the security settings....most banks require at least 128bit strength ecryption.....also check to make sure https is enabled. (http://tongue.gif)
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Mozilla is -THE BEST- stuff Opera - Mozilla - get 0.9.9 for x86, Win32, BSD, PPC, etc etc www.mozilla.org (http://www.mozilla.org)
Oh and with IERadicator - it removes IE - and all IE components (MSHTML.DLL) meaning all those programs with IE features and controls (IMesh, Morpheus, Outlook Express etc) wont work - in fact you'll get problems with not being able to run some apps - trust me ive been down that road.
[ March 26, 2002: Message edited by: Mojo ]
[ March 26, 2002: Message edited by: Mojo ]
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Hey,
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Originally posted by Mojo:
Mozilla is -THE BEST- stuff Opera - Mozilla - get 0.9.9 for x86, Win32, BSD, PPC, etc etc www.mozilla.org (http://www.mozilla.org)
Oh and with IERadicator - it removes IE - and all IE components (MSHTML.DLL) meaning all those programs with IE features and controls (IMesh, Morpheus, Outlook Express etc) wont work - in fact you'll get problems with not being able to run some apps - trust me ive been down that road.
[ March 26, 2002: Message edited by: Mojo ]
[ March 26, 2002: Message edited by: Mojo ]
I have to agree Mojo. People should not remove IE they are much better off to simply NOT use IE. I also agree that Mozilla is the "best" browser on the planet.
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well, i reckon opera is good, haven't used mozilla for windows, but it sure is good on the mac. right up there with opera in fact ;)
plus, i was really happy with ieradicator. it doesn't actually remove ALL ie code, but it does remove 99% of it, so as to allow outlook to stay working, but as for the rest of those programs, i don't know.
I notice my active desktop no longer works though! (well whoop dee doo!) and since i will *never* have a copy of outlook of any variant on my hard drive again, i actually wish ieradicator *would* remove that other 1%!
each to their own though, i supppose!
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Hey,
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Originally posted by Calum:
well, i reckon opera is good, haven't used mozilla for windows, but it sure is good on the mac. right up there with opera in fact ;)
plus, i was really happy with ieradicator. it doesn't actually remove ALL ie code, but it does remove 99% of it, so as to allow outlook to stay working, but as for the rest of those programs, i don't know.
I notice my active desktop no longer works though! (well whoop dee doo!) and since i will *never* have a copy of outlook of any variant on my hard drive again, i actually wish ieradicator *would* remove that other 1%!
each to their own though, i supppose!
Unfortunately there is a problem with that. Have you ever noticed that alot of your editors and other simular programs seem to use IE like features. This is due to a programming tool known as Richedit. IE is the easiest way to interface richedit features so alot of programmers use it.
This creates problems for the end user. If they remove IE they can't use alot of windows programs. Some example I can think of off hand are Front Page and most HTML editors, almost every compiler IDE (Integrated Development Environment), and most editors. Although I have never used it I would guess things like Microsoft Word are also included in the list.
Therefore if you remove IE with IE-Eradicator you lose features from alot of other programs.
This is how IE is integrated into windows. MS made programming tools available to the public that would allow them to use the IE interface if the programmer chose to do so. Since that is the easiest way to handle an interface of that type a great many programmers utilize it.
I am sure there are other programming features like richedit but I can't think of any others at the moment.
The thing is that IE is expected to be on a windows system. So programs don't tend to tell you that IE is required.
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I wonder what would happen if someone removed Internet Explorer and reinstalled and then just didn't use it? I know that it would no longer be integrated into the operating system, but maybe it would solve the problems some people have using programs that require IE. Or does IE *have* to be integrated for some programs to work? Anybody have any thoughts on this?
-Gonusto
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Hey,
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Originally posted by Gonusto:
I wonder what would happen if someone removed Internet Explorer and reinstalled and then just didn't use it? I know that it would no longer be integrated into the operating system, but maybe it would solve the problems some people have using programs that require IE. Or does IE *have* to be integrated for some programs to work? Anybody have any thoughts on this?
-Gonusto
Since I reinstalled windows 98 as a dual boot I have not once used IE to connect to the net. I used Mozilla in windows and most of the time in linux. Anyway I have had no problems with windows since I re-installed it.
BTW the reasons I re-installed it are..
1. Games(Diablo, Diablo II etc.)
2. I enjoy writing games in windows. The compiler I use is presently Windows only.
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I wonder what would happen if someone removed Internet Explorer and reinstalled and then just didn't use it? I know that it would no longer be integrated into the operating system, but maybe it would solve the problems some people have using programs that require IE. Or does IE *have* to be integrated for some programs to work? Anybody have any thoughts on this?
I did exactly that with Win 95. I used IEradicator to ditch IE. That worked just fine, however, it "broke" too many other apps. :( Clearly, this wasn't acceptable as I kept getting so many errors advising that this or that needed to be reinstalled. So I went ahead and dropped the IE5.5 CD in the tray and let it reinstall. That went smoothly, IE was back and working just fine, and other apps quit complaining about being broke. No further reinstalls were necessary. An added benefit is that this one piece of spyware shit seems to have disappeared.
In my case, it makes no difference to me whether or not IE is there as I very seldom ever use Win 95 to connect to the 'Net. Usually, this is for visiting kids who like to play the games at the Cartoon Network website, as this site is not the least bit Linux-friendly :mad: And for those occasions when I do use it on the 'Net, I have Netscape set up as the default browser anyway.
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Seems like that's the answer. If for some reason you *have* to use Windows and Internet Explorer just extract IE from the operating system using IEradicator (http://www.98lite.net/ieradicator.html) and then reinstall your favorite version. You'll no longer have it bogging down the operating system, while at the same time still being able to use any aplications that require it.
-Gonusto
[ March 27, 2002: Message edited by: Gonusto ]
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posted by Gonusto: If for some reason you *have* to use Windows and Internet Explorer just extract IE from the operating system using IEradicator and then reinstall your favorite version. You'll no longer have it bogging down the operating system, while at the same time still being able to use any aplications that require it.
that's actually what is recommended by the readme file that comes with ieradicator. that instead of upgrading to a newer version of IE, you uninstall the old version first to facilitate a clean install. quote:
Originally posted by Centurian:Unfortunately there is a problem with that. Have you ever noticed that alot of your editors and other simular programs seem to use IE like features. This is due to a programming tool known as Richedit. IE is the easiest way to interface richedit features so alot of programmers use it.
This creates problems for the end user. If they remove IE they can't use alot of windows programs. Some example I can think of off hand are Front Page and most HTML editors, almost every compiler IDE (Integrated Development Environment), and most editors. Although I have never used it I would guess things like Microsoft Word are also included in the list.
Therefore if you remove IE with IE-Eradicator you lose features from alot of other programs.
This is how IE is integrated into windows. MS made programming tools available to the public that would allow them to use the IE interface if the programmer chose to do so. Since that is the easiest way to handle an interface of that type a great many programmers utilize it.
That is bad news, but personally i don't need IE since i plan to end up using linux for everything anyway. there are a few things i still need windows for, but none of them need IE.
for the record, M$ Office 97 works fine without IE, and so does macromedia Dreamweaver 2.
Not sure about later versions, but those are the windows programs i use that seem to be most closely IE associated in my mind, and they don't need it.
Of course what you are saying is that M$ are right, that IE is integrated into the system and can't be removed. It seems the court case fails to notice the subtle double meaning of those words. i personally believe that *all* those dependencies could be fixed by writing/distributing/including with the system some simple utilities that bridge the gap that IE makes by not being there.
[ March 28, 2002: Message edited by: Calum ]
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Hey,
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Originally posted by Calum:
That is bad news, but personally i don't need IE since i plan to end up using linux for everything anyway. there are a few things i still need windows for, but none of them need IE.
for the record, M$ Office 97 works fine without IE, and so does macromedia Dreamweaver 2.
Not sure about later versions, but those are the windows programs i use that seem to be most closely IE associated in my mind, and they don't need it.
Of course what you are saying is that M$ are right, that IE is integrated into the system and can't be removed. It seems the court case fails to notice the subtle double meaning of those words. i personally believe that *all* those dependencies could be fixed by writing/distributing/including with the system some simple utilities that bridge the gap that IE makes by not being there.
[ March 28, 2002: Message edited by: Calum ]
To a degree that is correct. IE is integrated into windows due to ease of use of the IE interface. However I am quite sure MS could (if they chose to) make an interface that would replace IE for the purpose of 3rd party programs.
In doing that MS would support 3rd party vendors who trusted MS and would still comply with the lawsuit by un-integrating IE.
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Have you seen Internet Explorer Running in WINE
(Winblows Emulator)
CLICK HERE (http://www.toastytech.com/guis/wine.html)
THEN HERE (http://www.toastytech.com/evil)
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Hey X11,
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Originally posted by X11:
Have you seen Internet Explorer Running in WINE
(Winblows Emulator)
CLICK HERE (http://www.toastytech.com/guis/wine.html)
THEN HERE (http://www.toastytech.com/evil)
As I pointed out in an earlier post on page 1 of this thread. IE's integration is due to programmers using tools like richedit with the IE interface.
I completely agree that it can be removed. However some programs will have problems without it.
Also as I pointed out in the earlier thread there is a way MS could easily fix that problem.
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IEradicator is an excellent idea but far from perfect. I used it and have had system problems ever since ( 4 days ). Most of the troubles were solved by un and re installing some programs.
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don't shoot the messenger, that's not an ieradicator problem, it's a windows one.
hey, you probably were about due for another reinstall anyway! ;)