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Miscellaneous => Applications => Topic started by: moyer28 on 24 November 2002, 15:21
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OK, I didn't see a post on this topic before, so I'm going to just create a new thread.
Anyway, under the list of alternate programs on the main fuckMicrosoft.com page, I didn't see anything under a developer section, or any compilers.
Now I think Visual C++ is a very good program. You can write your source code in it, it's not just command-line, and it has many utilities to create cool apps in.
So what I want to know is if there's a better developer program which has all the features of visual c++, or any program that can match the other member of visual studio also.
So either an alternative to VS, or a pirated version, I mean stolen, (oh fuck microsoft) of Visual c++ Professional Edition. (Which would be nice.)
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firstly, they are a list of operating systems you should be using instead of microsoft windows, so no wonder you don't see any compilers there, secondly if you think a program that generates C++ code which is only 60% compliant with the standards (meaning 40% UTTER SHIT) then you need to seek help. try the forums at fuckmicrosoft.com :D
As for a graphical C++ development environment, i have heard that vim and Xemacs are very good in that area.
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Originally posted by Calum:
a program that generates C++ code which is only 60% compliant with the standards (meaning 40% UTTER SHIT)
What standards? There are no C++ standards (apart from the language itself, obviously), which is why there are so many different versions.
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So what I want to know is if there's a better developer program which has all the features of visual c++, or any program that can match the other member of visual studio also.
Get Kdevelop or Anjuta /w Glade. They are all free programs and you even get full access to the source code.
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Originally posted by * Red Ranger Software * PC Commando:
What standards? There are no C++ standards (apart from the language itself, obviously), which is why there are so many different versions.
What the fuck are you talking about? What about the ANSI standard for C?
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Originally posted by Big-D:
OK, I didn't see a post on this topic before, so I'm going to just create a new thread.
Anyway, under the list of alternate programs on the main fuckMicrosoft.com page, I didn't see anything under a developer section, or any compilers.
Now I think Visual C++ is a very good program. You can write your source code in it, it's not just command-line, and it has many utilities to create cool apps in.
So what I want to know is if there's a better developer program which has all the features of visual c++, or any program that can match the other member of visual studio also.
So either an alternative to VS, or a pirated version, I mean stolen, (oh fuck microsoft) of Visual c++ Professional Edition. (Which would be nice.)
For Linux, Ajunta and KDevelop are very nice. For windows, try http://www.bloodshed.net/'s (http://www.bloodshed.net/'s) Dev-C++ or Borland's products (which are GREAT!)
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Hey Big-D, I third the opinion that KDevelop or Ajunta are the way to go. Come on, no real programmer would be caught dead using Visual C++!
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Actually all (most) the Windows programmers use it but they're mostly morons anyway. I wonder what John Carmack uses. Does he develop under Linux? (if so maybe that's why all the id games are for linux and windows)
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QT Designer and Anjuta are plain AWESOME. Especialy QT Designer.
It comes by default with Red Hat 8.0. Trust me. It is AWESOME.
[ November 25, 2002: Message edited by: bazoukas [The F*en Linux Militant] ]
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seems u know lots about QT Designer.
I just made a quick test programme, how do i make it runnable? ive got a *.ui file? i wanna send this thing to my mates, ive always wanted to make a GUI programme.
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err, there is one OPENSOURCE c++ compiler/gui for windows, check out sourceforge and dev-C++ should be on their. but agian, i fin linux to be a much better programing environment anyway. and carmacks stuff runs on linux and everything else, its probably cuase he does things right and trys hard not to kludge things/*im only assuming*/ but it does seem that quake3 under linux does better then quake3 under windows, and rtcw definatly runs faster, and i have seen this in person, dads 500mhz windows computer = 8 fps
my 400 mhz linux box = 24 fps
/*probaby doesn't help that mine is a k6-3, and his is a k6-2*/
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"I just made a quick test programme, how do i make it runnable? ive got a *.ui file? i wanna send this thing to my mates, ive always wanted to make a GUI programme."
With Qt Designer, compiling is a three step process. The designer itself generates XML to describe what you've included in the window. There's a command line app called uic that generates the corresponding *.h and *.cpp files. Next, you have to run the "moc" program to translate Qt's own C++ extensions into pure C++ that you can then compile with GCC, or whatever you're using.
Qt comes with its own documentation (Click Help->Manual) that will describe how it's done. Personally, I prefer FOX (http://www.fox-toolkit.org), even though it doesn't come with a form designer. FOX is just the libraries, you have to first draw the app's GUI to get a sense of the layout. (Has an advantage of forcing you to give your GUI some thought as you plan it ;) ). However FOX also includes some really nice freebies as well as the basic widget libraries. Other nice things about FOX are that it doesn't use any non-standard C++ extensions, the widgets auto-update by means of signals, so you don't have to include lots of code that doesn't do anything except update widgets, it greys-out inactive widget icons with a much nicer appearance, and FOX apps tend to have smaller executables. I tried Qt Designer, but once I tried FOX, I never went back. :D
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what do u use to make programmes on the FOX libs?
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"what do u use to make programmes on the FOX libs?"
Since I do my work in Linux, I mainly use XEMACS for writing code. (You could also use regular EMACS, vim, Kate, etc. for this as well.). Then I usually use automake, autoconf, m4, make, GCC to compile, link, and run, as well as producing distributions.
gdb comes inn handy for tracking down those stubborn bugs you sometimes get. It's not too different from writing any other Linux C++ app, either console or GUI.
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I dont know about c++, but do not use microsoft visual java. I mean "proprietary java" is an oxymoron, but microsoft tried to create it. Use Borland JBuilder, for a development environment, although it takes a lot of system resources, so I suggest vim or emacs.
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get a Mac, and Mac OS X... the devtools are free. Projectbuilder and Interfacebuilder are pretty good tools that come from NeXT