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Operating Systems => Linux and UNIX => Topic started by: Doogee on 17 November 2002, 05:38
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My questions about VMware.
Is 128 mb ram way too little?
Can it emulate Mac hardware?
How many megs is it to download?
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1) yes
2) no
3) small
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so 128 is a nono, i dont think ill install windows i just want to try some other os's without having to partition and all that.
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You might be able to install and run VMware, and even install other OSs, but it's going to crawl. Even 256MB is too little if you ask me.
And VMware is only going to emulate the processor that you already have in your machine. If you have an Athlon, you will see an Althon procesor in your virtual machine. If you have a P4 you are going to see a P4 in your virtual machine (regarding your Mac question).
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oh okay so it makes a VM out of what youve already got?
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Yes and no. On the processor yes. On the rest of the stuff no. For instance, no matter what network card or video card you have VMware will expose a standard make/model to the guest OS (the OS you are going to install into a virtual machine). For instance, the OSes you install on your VMware will detect the exact same hardware (except for processor) that it detects on my system even though we have different brands of physical video and network cards.
This makes installing operating systems very easy. And if I wanted to I could transfer the disk image of an OS I installed on one physical computer, over to a completely different computer that is running VMware and boot it up, and all of the hardware will work because the OS sees it as the same hardware. It's really very cool.
[ November 16, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]
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its very cool apart from the fact that it would run crappy on my computer
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Yes, you need a healthy machine. If it's any consolation it runs great on my Athlon 1600 w/512MB RAM. Sometimes I wish I had more RAM though when I start running more than one server OS at the same time.
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lol ill wait till i get a new computer then.
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I think this is kindof on topic.
Is there anyway to run mac stuff like os 8 and os 9 on linux, with an emulator or something? im very interested in macs, but i just dont have to cash.
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Your mileage may vary:
http://www.macwindows.com/emulator.html#Maconother (http://www.macwindows.com/emulator.html#Maconother)
I can guarantee you that an emulator will be slower than VMware because emulators have to emulate the processor. VMware does not emulate the processor, instead your guest OS and apps have direct access to the processor, at the same time the Linux host OS does. However, because there is no x86 version of MacOS you can not run it under VMware. You could run the Darwin (MacOS X base OS) piece under VMware.
[ November 16, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]
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hmm whats a ROM chip? i dont wanna shove shit on my pc i just wanna be able to check out the OS and run a few apps.
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What's a ROM chip?
Search (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=what%27s+a+rom+chip%3F&btnG=Google+Search) - I'm Feeling Lucky (http://www.pccomputernotes.com/memory/rom.htm)
(http://smile.gif)
[ November 16, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]
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the real question is can i run a mac emulator without one?
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You probably won't run much of anything without one. But that still isn't the right question.
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okay lets rephrase it.
Will i be able to use any Mac emulator without having a mac rom card?
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Yes, but you may need a ROM image from a Mac (a file containing an exact image of the ROM chip in a Mac). You may be referring to this:
http://www.vmac.org/ (http://www.vmac.org/)
Which appears to only be able to boot up to MacOS v7.7.5.
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It actually does run ok on 192MB, a lot better than it does with 128MB. I have run it on 128 and it will run but it's certainly not going to be like running it on 256-512MB.
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quote:
Originally posted by Ex Eleven / b0b 2.1:
I have the mac, the system software, but i want to be able to emulate one as well.
What emulator are you planning on running? If you are planning on running vMac it would appear you need a ROM image specifically from a MacPlus. Know anyone with one of those? There surely are simple programs out there to dump the ROM to a file. That part is fine. Transferring the image from a friend to you would not be legal.
[ November 16, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]
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Vmware is pretty slow on 96MB of RAM.
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k ive downloaded vmware and installed it, how do i get it going?
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What operating system are you running (distro/version)? What file did you download (RPM)? The installation instructions are on VMware's web site, but it's very simple, and if you give me the answers to my two questions I might be able to answer some questions before you ask them:
http://www.vmware.com/support/ws3/doc/ws32_install3.html#1007151 (http://www.vmware.com/support/ws3/doc/ws32_install3.html#1007151)
[ November 17, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]
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Mandrake 9, i downloaded the RPM version and i am currently running the config perl script.
[ November 17, 2002: Message edited by: -=Doogee=- ]
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You need to have your compiler installed and the kernel headers I am pretty sure. Damn, I was hoping you were going to say you had RedHat and I could have had you going in a couple of minutes. I usually run the /usr/bin/vmware-config.pl script and just press ENTER all the way through the module questions, and then when it comes to the networking questions I use the defaults except I select "bridged" and I don't install the Samba local networking.
You should be able to just ENTER through the defaults except those two if you have everything you need installed. If not you'll have to find your kernel-headers RPM and install it from your CD. Do you have your compiler installed? You should be able to type "gcc --version" and get something other than "command not found".
When the script finishes it should successfully load the VMware kernel modules. Then just type "vmware" on the command line and it will bring up the GUI.
[ November 17, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]
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gcc is installed i got the version info and all that. is it against red hats policy to burn a red hat boxed set and give it away, cos if it isnt i might be able to get my mate to burn me red hat 8.0 which he bought. i think that would would make lots of things easier. not just vmware.
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It should not be against RedHat's policy if it is a boxed set of the personal edition (which is freely downloadable). And I don't want to say that RedHat is any better than Mandrake, but it is for me. And I am obviously in a better position to help people who have RedHat because that is what I have used most since like version 2. Install your kernel headers if you are getting errors about files not found. It's normal for it to prompt you for the location of your include files (/usr/src/linux/include) etc. Just press enter. If after going through all of the prompts the modules do not load in the end then you probably do not have your kernel headers installed. You should have an RPM on one of your CDs that start with "kernel-headers*". Install that. Should be under a directory called /mnt/cdrom/Mandrake/RPMS (or something close).
[ November 17, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]
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red hat 8 it is then, but if u can help with mandrake that would be nice too (http://tongue.gif)
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I edited my post read that last one again...
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cpp0: warning: changing search order for system directory "/usr/include"
cpp0: warning: as it has already been specified as a non-system directory
The directory of kernel headers (version 2.4.18) does not match your running
kernel (version 2.4.19-16mdk). Even if the module were to compile successfully,
it would not load into the running kernel.
theres my error i get when i tell it to use /usr/include cos the one it suggests doesnt work i dont know what it meant but i think it might have some relevance.
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Looks like you upgraded your kernel since you first installed it, then installed the older kernel headers. You need the kernel headers that match exactly the version of the kernel you are currently running. If you downloaded the new kernel from Mandrake, go there and get the headers from the same place and do an rpm upgrade on that file.
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i didnt do anything, im basically on a fresh install, no upgrades or anything.
Edit: at any rate, i need these headers anyway, off to mandrake.com we go
[ November 17, 2002: Message edited by: -=Doogee=- ]
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Were the kernel headers already installed? If what you say is true, then there is one more reason why I don't use Mandrake. (http://smile.gif)
Yep, I just confirmed it. What a freakin' joke! At any rate on the Mandrake Forum they say to remove the kernel headers and install the kernel source and you should be able to get VMware to compile the modules:
# rpm -e kernel-headers
# rpm -Uvh /mnt/cdrom/Mandrake/RPMS/kernel-source-2.4.19-16mdk.i586.rpm
with the appropriate CD in the drive.
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fudge it i wont bother, ill wait for red hat 8.
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Awww, that's no fun. Nothing wrong with trying it now and get a little practice.
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i cant do it it says it would break glibc-devel and then i try to remove glibc-devel and there are even more deps.
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I just looked over the VMware news server. Forget the headers, but you do need to install the kernel-source. I won't guarantee it but that's how the thread read...