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All Things Microsoft => Microsoft as a Company => Topic started by: voidmain on 24 June 2002, 10:31
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Thank God M$ is here to save the day!
http://www.theregus.com/content/4/25340.html (http://www.theregus.com/content/4/25340.html)
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For People who don't like clicking on the links:
A recent MSNBC article by techno-pundit Steven Levy discusses Microsoft's plans for a new computer operating environment (code-named "Palladium") that links hardware, software, and data into a neat package, allegedly more secure and convenient for users.
Or, putting it in simpler terms, it's Microsoft's answer to fixing everything that's wrong with computing today.
According to Levy, Palladium is a hardware and software combination that will supposedly seal information from attackers, block viruses and worms, eliminate spam, and allow users to control their personal information even after it leaves their computer. It will also implement Digital Rights Management (DRM) for movies and music to allow users to exercise 'fair use' rights of such products. Palladium will essentially create a proprietary computing environment where Microsoft is the trusted gatekeeper, guard, watchstander, and ruler of all it surveys, thus turning the majority of computing users into unwilling corporate serfs and subjects of the Redmond Regime.
Isn't it ironic that the company responsible for nearly every major computer security problem, virus, and backdoor -- thanks to its poor software development and testing among other factors -- is now heralding its ability to make everything right in a stroke? One might sense this is a manufactured problem resulting from Microsoft's inability to develop effective software in the first place. As is commonly known, the single most significant factor contributing to the dismal state of today's internet security is Microsoft's complacency, rather than hackers, crackers, and pirates. As I mentioned in an earlier article, we're vulnerable because Microsoft makes it so damn easy for the bad guys to cause mischief. (It's also a result of lazy or incompetent system administrators, poor network design, and clueless executives and Congressfolk, but that's another essay.)
Contrary to Levy's fear-mongering remarks and naively positive spin on the need for Palladium to protect us, the Internet is not all evil. In fact, the Internet is safer than many parts of our physical world. It does, however, represent an evolution in social control, something that evokes fear in the hearts of established entities of such control: corporations, media, and governments. Hence the desire to trump up any number of reasons -- real or perceived -- to beguile the public and garner support for ways to maintain social control and profit margins at once. This technical tool of social control follows on the heels of the CBDTPA, TCPA, and DMCA, and other controversial legislative efforts.
As such, Levy's article is full of sensational soundbytes, including one particularly fear-mongering paragraph: "An endless roster of security holes allows cyber-thieves to fill up their buffers with credit- card numbers and corporate secrets. It's easier to vandalize a Web site than to program a remote control. Entertainment moguls boil in their hot tubs as movies and music are swapped, gratis, on the Internet. Consumers fret about the loss of privacy. And computer viruses proliferate and mutate faster than they can be named."
Vandalizing a website happens most often not because of the skills of the vandal, but rather a combination of poor system administration coupled with notoriously buggy, easily-exploitable Web site software such as Microsoft's Internet Information Server. From what I've seen over the years, you probably don't even need opposable thumbs to break into IIS. Palladium won't help here, but more competent system administrators and much more secure server software (such as Apache or WebStar) most certainly would.
Regarding the potential of stealing credit cards numbers, you've got a greater chance of losing your wallet or purse walking around town than a cyber-thief stealing your credit card from a webserver. What people forget in the hype is that despite the immense pain in the ass associated with canceling credit cards and re-authorizing charges on a new one, people are not responsible for losses over $50 provided they promptly report the loss to their credit card issuer. I've had my card stolen on-line, but I haven't run away in terror about the chances it could happen again. Again, Palladium won't be of benefit to me -- my credit card company already protects me and limits my liability.
Perhaps the most sinister part of Microsoft's concept (something that Levy glosses over) is that it "stops viruses and worms. Palladium won't run unauthorized programs, so viruses can't trash protected parts of your system." True, Windows-based viruses do proliferate and mutate quickly, but it's because Microsoft products are so interlinked and poorly-configured. If Microsoft would only allow users to display e-mail in plain text, ninety per cent of 'viruses and worms' would be eliminated. Yet to hear Redmond tell it, what we really need is some expensive and Draconian ghost in the machine to break applications of which the company, or its partners, or the government, or Hollywood, disapproves.
In short, under the feel-good guise of 'enhanced security' and 'new features for customers' (and despite being found guilty of monopoly), Microsoft still wants to rule all it surveys. In essence, Palladium can be interpreted as Microsoft's attempt to play God. Again.
With this announcement, Microsoft competitors and independent programmers should be gearing up for another court case, as this concept reeks of Redmond's historic anti-competitive tactics in the marketplace. Savvy consumers should be very concerned that Palladium will mean that their computers and information are no longer under their positive control but rather under the omnipresent surveillance and enforcement of a third party more interested in turning a profit than empowering their customers to think and act for themselves. The computer will essentially become a tool of surveillance, judgment and control over users, rather than a tool of innovation, communication, and enlightenment.
Given the pervasiveness of computers in modern society, the worldwide social ramifications of Palladium are enormous. Consider the ability of one entity -- in this case, Microsoft -- to dictate acceptable behavior and content (remember Smart Tags?) in service of its own commercial aspirations. If your behavior or actions are deemed 'unacceptable' by such a third party, you could find yourself impotent on the global stage. So you'd better toe the party line and be a good little Windows user.
Palladium represents a modern 'innovation' which could lead to a Digital Dark Age: a period of innovative stagnation where the majority of the world's computing population will become unwitting subjects and indentured servants to the profiteering desires of the new corporate ruling class, and Microsoft the enforcer.
One wonders if Palladium error messages will include a computer- generated audio clip of Bill Gates announcing, "I'm sorry [USERNAME], I'm afraid I can't do that....?"
The first step in any revolution is the seizure of the lines of communication to hinder the target population's ability to communicate and exchange information amongst themselves. Palladium has the ability to do just that, and convert the open fabric of the modern computing environment into a closed, proprietary domain under the rule of Redmond.
Under the Palladium concept -- despite the marketing spin and hype -- the danger is that you will be asked (though not directly) to pledge allegiance to Microsoft and its dismal record of security and reliability while unwittingly relinquishing your ability to remain an independent person in cyberspace. In essence, you'll go back to the future instead of forward to innovation and enlightenment.
Personally, I prefer being the one in charge of my computer and not subordinate to it or its vendors. I also prefer Camelot over Redmond...which goes a long way explaining why I don't run Windows.
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This is other microshit plan to make them control everybodys computer. Ok they will protect your computer(Yeah right every claim microsoft gave out was and never is going to be for filled. They just want to have altimate control. just imagine if they created a software for banks they could easly created loop holes and play around with people money. Computers will turn out rubbish if microsoft gets its hand on hardware.
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I don't see how this could help them. To do half the stuff they want to, they would have to rewrite windows.
I know I'm feeding the troll here, but...
"An endless roster of security holes allows cyber-thieves to fill up their buffers with credit- card numbers and corporate secrets."
More of a network security problem...
"It's easier to vandalize a Web site than to program a remote control."
Wow, he must be the uber hacker! mabye he can hack the Kremiln's webpage!! BS.
"Entertainment moguls boil in their hot tubs as movies and music are swapped, gratis, on the Internet."
This isn't so much a Windows problem, more of a greedy fat bastards (hi Hilary Rosen!! :D ) trying to keep a firm grip on what amounts to free expression problem. Internet radio was a threat to their influence on what music was whored on what stations. But that's a different rant...
"Consumers fret about the loss of privacy."
That's a windows problem, with all of the spyware and what not.
"And computer viruses proliferate and mutate faster than they can be named."
'Nuff said. Windows problem. Palladium sounds more like a Trojan Horse for Windows to own you and your PC.
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i agree almost completely with Richard Forno (the author of the article).
Whether or not people say on these forums that none of this bullshit is relevant, it won't work like that anyway, it's just a tool to invade privacy et c, and while all those things may be true, the fact is that legions of dumbasses with deep pockets are going to go out and fucking buy this piece of shit.
Wait and see.
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Palladium won't run unauthorized programs, so viruses can't trash protected parts of your system.
'unauthorized'... that must mean 'non-microsoft'.
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hahahaha this wont affect me directly. forever building my own systems, or by the time it comes out. ill have enough money to buy a mac. notice that mac is having a more aggresive ad campaign then i have seen before. i think this should be used as evidence against microsoft. controling both software and hardware. if we don't get rid of microsoft now we might never be able to. someone need's to ,as much pain as it would cuase, make an idiot linux, like one that calls root a dangeros tool that if used right can correct problems and if played with can trash the system. and that installs kde with idiot options. not lindows just pure linux. maybe i should do this but im no h4x0r, i can just bootstrap the LFS envirment. i can't build x or anything. i guess maybe if voidmain finnally tell me about compiling X. or howabout we all get up and help make an idiot proof linux.
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what needs to happen is this:
someone needs to come out with a linux desktop environment that emulates windows perfectly. This includes not allowing you to do all the cool stuff that you can do in linux but not in windows. It also includes automating everything that windows automates, despite it maybe not working/being unstable and so on.
The next step is for some major distro maker (it should probably be red hat) to make an installer that's as assuming as windows' installer is. You need not answer any questions, you need not know anything. It will make assumptions about your partitions, the packages you want, everything. (this time, you can easily put it into "i know what i'm talking about" mode if you want at any time).
Finally, the new "dumbass" distro could come out with huge advertising and so on, with the dumb installer, and windows desktop by default. It would however come with a manual (this version would not be free to download since only the dumbasses would get it, and they all want to pay, or better yet, pirate) of course the new desktop and so on could be free (it gets paid for by the people who buy the new distro)
So, amongst all this, the dumbasses get linux, because it is as easy, does all the same things, and is cheaper (even though they still need to pay) now as soon as some moron sees some normal linux user, they will notice immediately that they are missing out on a lot of cool features. They will then go and find out that KDE, GNOME, Blackbox, XFce, windowmaker and so on were installed on their machine by default! wahey! they cry! i am free at last!
This is a good model for two main reasons:
1) the dumbasses do not lose anything because the new desktop will not demand of or offer them anything more than windows did. BUT they will eagerly switch to some real environment as soon as they get pissed off that other linux users can do a shitload more things than them.
2) the fuckers are all paying for it! (and even if they do 60% of them pirate it, so what?) so it's money rolling in to pay for development and advertising!
just my thoughts, butsomebody better get to work if this is going to happen.
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i can help manage the project, like make decisions on where it would be going and what to include and what no to include but i am not a major programer. is anybody else interested in this? first it would need a website but i can't even write http/*me likes c++ and calculator basic better*/i any one up for this project
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How much you wanna bet that there will be hackers who join and BEAT the security on Microsoft's special service, just for the thrill of showing it can be done? (http://smile.gif)
Further making this a possibility is that Microsoft doesn't know how to program stuff that can't easily be defeated. You just expect them to magically learn this? (http://smile.gif)
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I'll make a site :-p and <i>try</i> to help. But I don't have alot of programming knowldge, although I am learning lately.
By the way, has anyone tried Sorcerer Linux? It's awsome!
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i agree that it really just amounts to another security hole, another update monster, another spyware front so they can endlessly process thier precious marketing data.
um... don't use it and tell people.
just look at all the said "dumbasses" (who won't be using linux anytime too soon) that rant and rant about the wonderful things microsoft has done for us all
if this sees the light of day en masse, it will be a sad sad day indeed... just say no
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Not a bad idea. I would recommend that you charge no more then $35 American for it. Wind0ze is much more expensive, thus people have a reason to buy this distro.
Also, have the "Windows takes care of everything" aspect, except n00b Linux doesn't DUMBLY take care of stuff, the decisions it makes will not piss off anyone except a poweruser. So now critics can say "As friendly as Windows, no irratating MS shanigans(IE:Spyware or limited installs), way more stable then Windows, and is much cheaper to buy".
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for the record, i found red hat install pretty damned idiot-proof.
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that's what everybody says, and that's why linux is not as widespread as it could be. M$ has such a market share that the installer and desktop need to look exactly like windows to get the morons hooked, regardless of what's going on under the hood. Of course it won't be full of spyware and all that shit, that will be the attraction.
People that find linux userfriendly these days are right, but they all took time to learn it. morons think they were born knowing how to work windows, and need something that panders to their inherent moronity.
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Give it time. There will always be way to circumvent ANYTHING made by microshit...
Heh....and microshit thinks that we are stupid...
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yeah, but working around the password protection just keeps people using Microsoft stuff, what we need to do is say "fuck wasting my time cracking this piece of shit! i'm off to use some much better software that i can get for a lot less money!"
If the majority were not stupid, this is what they would do. Sadly, they constantly prove their moronity with every passing day. We shall see. Every tidal wave started out small, i suspect...
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I am soooo glad I own a Mac. Cuz' if this thing goes thrugh, throngs of windows user's will come to Apple.
I mean, Apple has a proprietary system, yet they openly reject DRM and embrace open source, they don't spy on you, are secure, user friendly, and let you do whatever the hell you want.
M$ is the antithesis to everything that Apple stands for. Maybe I'm a zelot, but I have been a fan since I heard Steve Job's insanely great speaches as a kid :D
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Originally posted by Calum:
that's what everybody says, and that's why linux is not as widespread as it could be. M$ has such a market share that the installer and desktop need to look exactly like windows to get the morons hooked, regardless of what's going on under the hood. Of course it won't be full of spyware and all that shit, that will be the attraction.
People that find linux userfriendly these days are right, but they all took time to learn it. morons think they were born knowing how to work windows, and need something that panders to their inherent moronity.
I remember watching an ad a couple of years ago for a dot-com company called "I Won," which was a search engine and sweepstakes combined. The commercial had this guy saying he wouldn't use I Won.com because he didn't care whether he had a chance to win $10 million. As he was saying this, he broke down laughing and blurted out, "What do you think I am, an idiot?"
When I saw that ad, I turned to the other guy in the room and said, "Now I know this dot-com stuff is full of shit. I've just been told that unless I use someone's web site I am an idiot." What a way to get customers! Insult your way to riches!
But that's what so much of the dot-coms projected on TV. These ads all had the same plot. Some 20-something kid just off a skateboard making someone older and clueless feel old and clueless. The message was, "Do things my way or you are screwed." By the way, guess who got screwed? Guess who is bankrupt? Hint: Not me.
So ... I'm not a computer hobbyist. I do other things with my life, To me, a computer is just an appliance. I'm mad at Microsoft because their appliances are harder and harder to use with each "upgrade," and they spy on me, too. But I unless I dedicate my life to Linux, then I'm a moron.
Well, here's the deal. I just bought a computer six months ago. I was on a computer-every-two-years kind of track. But the fact is half the shit they sell doesn't work. One alternative is to look for stuff that works. Another alternative is to simply drop out, i.e., forget about the hot new wireless network, forget about the upgraded Palm Pilot, forget about the new "pads" they're talking about, forget about the digital camera or the video conferencing equipment, etc.
I've pretty much been in mode #2 since "upgrading" to XP not by choice. I was hoping to find an easy and cheap way out of this mess. After cruising around this web site I realize that what I really am is a moron. Thanks, kids, have a great conversation among your superior selves. See ya ...
[ June 25, 2002: Message edited by: willysnout ]
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Hey, he said it not me. Kids? Sure there are some kids on this site but many of us are at least "middle aged" and older. I think psyjax had it right. Since you are a moron you should have purchased something that even a moron can use. A Mac. Maybe if you would have done a little research before making that purchase at Best Buy because that is what the kid just off the skate board sold you. Go to a Mac store and try one out.
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Ahem... Not to say that Mac users are morons mind you... tho many windoze lusers love to think so.
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I was joking and using his words. I thought we were offering good suggestions as well. He can take them or leave them. It's not like we are "selling" anything, or "making any money" from all of our time on these forums helping people who ask for it. Geez. I thought your Mac suggestion was a very good one, and in fact I was going to suggest it if you hadn't.
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Im 17 so I guess I count as a kid. (http://smile.gif)
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Yes, you would be considered "just off the skate board".
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dude, this guy was like expecting things from us. remember, we give help becuase we want to give help, not becuase we have a contract to help or its a god given right to ask us for help. being pissy about what advice we give is not nice. some actaully try to help. how many forums have you been on before. you ask a quenstion and see what people post and whether you like it or not. complaining about what advice is given is like looking the gift horse in the mouth.
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So ... I'm not a computer hobbyist. I do other things with my life, To me, a computer is just an appliance. I'm mad at Microsoft because their appliances are harder and harder to use with each "upgrade," and they spy on me, too. But I unless I dedicate my life to Linux, then I'm a moron.
Willysnout, you seem clever but you make too many commonplace assumptions.
Use what you like. Linux is not a company like those dotcoms, like Microsoft.
if you hate Microsoft but refuse to use linux then you can choose a no-longer-supported OS like solaris or Beos, or you can get a BSD, or some other "harder to use" specialist OSs, or you can buy specialty hardware and fork out a mint. a Mac is the cheapest option here i am thinking, with RiscOS, Solaris9 and so on all needing special CPUs to run.
As i said, linux is not a company. if you happen to see a linux advert it is because some company (probably IBM, hewlett packard, or possibly apple and sun in the future) are using their own money to make linux further their own ends. Those companies are not startups like your dotcoms, and International Business Machines are not going to go bust anytime soon. As far as i know they are over one hundred years old. I know for a fact they are at least 60 or 70 years old. I bet that's older than any poster here, and the point is, not only do they endorse linux, they advertise it.
If you want to go around saying you are a moron, then go for it. But YOU SAID IT FIRST. I put it to you that you have a guilty conscience.
If somebody here says that people are morons, it's usually because they are morons, either way it is ALWAYS a person's own opinion. If a company says in an advert that you are a moron THEN you have grounds for complaint. But NOT if somebody exercises their own right of free speech. That is what linux is all about. Free speech.
I am an advocate of free speech. This is why i believe that you should have the right to choose which operating system to use on your computer, a choice that at least one company would deny to you. It is also why i will stand up for any individual's right to call you or anybody else a moron, for any reason.
I suppose i might as well add that i am in no way calling you a moron, although i think that much should be obvious by now.
I look forward to reading your response, willysnout.
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Originally posted by Calum:
if you hate Microsoft but refuse to use linux then you can choose a no-longer-supported OS like solaris or Beos, or you can get a BSD, or some other "harder to use" specialist OSs, or you can buy specialty hardware and fork out a mint. a Mac is the cheapest option here i am thinking, with RiscOS, Solaris9 and so on all needing special CPUs to run.
I didn't say I'd "refuse to use Linux." I was interested in trying. But you known what? In addition to giving Linux a try, there are 20 or 30 things on my to-do list. I don't have time or interest in becoming a computer jock.
Here's how much time I was willing to put into it:
- An afternoon to get started
- Another afternoon or three to have everything working reasonably well
- No hardware or software disasters or condundrums that wind up being unsolvable by a reasonably intelligent, but non-sepcialized, person
- Some source of reliable support (which I'd have been willing to pay for) aimed at an intermedite computer user but NOT A SPECIALIST or programmer.
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If you want to go around saying you are a moron, then go for it. But YOU SAID IT FIRST. I put it to you that you have a guilty conscience.
I think if you look around this board you will find those who aren't dedicated to the most complex, all-consuming versions described as morons. The connotation being that if you want Linux to be easy, user-friendly and trouble-free, you're a moron. That's what I was reacting to ... the elitism of it all. I really detest snobbery and elitism regardless of where it comes from. And trust me, there's a shitload of it where I work. I was hoping this board might be different. Oh well!
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If a company says in an advert that you are a moron THEN you have grounds for complaint. But NOT if somebody exercises their own right of free speech. That is what linux is all about. Free speech.
Funny thing about free speech: We all have it. Me, too. I told you what I thought, and now you come back and say I'm a would-be censor. Not so. I am a critic. Those who dish it out need to be able to take it.
Let's put it differently: Those who desire to unseat Microsoft would (in my opinion, and I'm just one guy with one opinion) be smartest to not call people just getting their feet wet "morons." A better strategy might be for some intrepid group of people to collaborate on a web site or other means of helping NON-SPECIALISTS get weaned away slowly but surely.
But hey, there goes my idealism getting in the way again. Even among a group like this, the would-be "insurgents," the underlying spirit is nasty and hostile. Oh what the 1990s did to everyone!
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I suppose i might as well add that i am in no way calling you a moron, although i think that much should be obvious by now.
If you don't live in the suburbs, you should get the honorary key to the suburbs. You have honed passive-aggressive psychology to the high art of the toniest suburb.
Here's my bottom line: I've been so thoroughly turned off by this group of people that, like with the prior experiments with an Intel video camera that didn't work, an 802.11 network that didn't work, a Microsoft "wizard" to link an XP machine and a Win98 machine that didn't work ... that I just give up.
Microsoft sucks? Yeah, they sure do. But so do their opponents. I might not like Iran, but it doesn't mean I'm going to join Syria. See ya.
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well, a better way to get alot of help would be to list the names of everything attached to your computer. you ask us about alternatives to microsoft but don't give a list of hardware. with some of the alternatives most notably linux, some things work and some don't, i could easyly tell if something would work, wouldn't work, or be a bitch to get working
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As Void Man said, if you have done your research before spending $1500+ you could have bought a MAC.
No you are not a Moron because you dont Use Linux, you are a Moron because you gave a good amount of money because a kid at the store smoked your ass.
Besides take it from a guy that was using Windows all the time. Mandrake Linux and Red Hat Linux are VERY user friendly these days. Shit Mandrake and Red Hat even recognized my game pads.
Windows 2000 didnt recognize my Sound Blaster 512(i think is the model) but Mandrake and Red Hat did.
And about Instalation? Common give me a brake. It took less time than Windows installation.
Just a side note....i was a psych major and now because of Linux I changed major to Computer Scence. Go figure :-D
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And about Instalation? Common give me a brake. It took less time than Windows installation.
This is because of more compatibility, less bugs, and much more optimized code?
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Originally posted by willysnout:
Funny thing about free speech: We all have it. Me, too. I told you what I thought, and now you come back and say I'm a would-be censor. Not so. I am a critic. Those who dish it out need to be able to take it.
That's a filthy lie. I voice my opinion just like you, and you come back and tell me a load of shit. I did not say you were a would be censor. You have let your own eagerness to get angry cloud your own intellect. quote:
If you don't live in the suburbs, you should get the honorary key to the suburbs. You have honed passive-aggressive psychology to the high art of the toniest suburb.
i don't live in the suburbs and this statement is also a lie. You have totally misconstrued me if you think i am being passive-aggressive, you are probably misunderstanding me deliberately on your way over to the moral high ground.
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Here's my bottom line: I've been so thoroughly turned off by this group of people that, like with the prior experiments with an Intel video camera that didn't work, an 802.11 network that didn't work, a Microsoft "wizard" to link an XP machine and a Win98 machine that didn't work ... that I just give up.
Microsoft sucks? Yeah, they sure do. But so do their opponents. I might not like Iran, but it doesn't mean I'm going to join Syria. See ya.
I changed my mind, you really are a moron, and i'm happy to voice my opinion on that.
Quite frankly you are very closed minded. You refuse to take any advice or allow any actual information to sink in while at the same time wasting your energy on the sentiment (real or perceived, mostly perceived) contained in the way the information is presented.
Quite frankly, if you don't want to use Microsoft stuff, don't use it, if you do, do. That's what choice is all about, but if all you want to do is come here and tell everybody what an asshole they are, when i have yet to see one useful post from you, then in my opinion, you should fuck off.
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one would have to say nicely said calum, and my another thing assuring what you say, is who the hell pays 2500 for a piece of desktop x86 trash. most people reaserch heavily into major investments. like when my air-conditionar shitted up. instead of my parents rushing out to blindly buy a new one, the reaserched alot of airconditionares. same theory with computers. besides, what x86 machine you /*o, when i say x86 i am talking about pentium class machines, like the pentium 4 and amd athlon*/ buy today, will be obsolete almost tommorow. besides, do i sound like a psychic, if you were to be smart and list all the hardware by manufacture/model in your machine i could analyze the situation and recommend a working solution. if you need to know how to find out what hardware is in your computer just ask us.
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yes well a lot of morons would not research that purchase, and a lot more have got too much fucking money anyway.
As you say, a sensible person who really wanted an alternative would present as much information as possible, and ask a question based on those resources. Since Mr Snout has already made his purchase i suspect he only came here to prove to himself that windows was the best there was, and that nothing else could compare, since he wanted to feel good about putting all that money into something.
Having said that, Mr Snout's earlier post in this thread raised a lot of good issues and contributed to the discussion well, it's just a shame that he got all reactionary over my reply. Guess he doesn't believe in free speech so much after all. Well, i am certainly dissapointed. Many people who sign up on these boards are obvious dumbasses from the word go. It annoys me to see a dumbass emerge from a hencetoforth sensible seeming individual.
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nah, maybe hes probably just stressed. when shit don't work when they dish out money they get eractic. like when my neighbor bought a $300 router for his home network. he couldn't get it figured out and was having difacluty even getting back to square one. when he called me after 24 hours nonstop of playing with it he was bothered to say the least. when i got there it took me 20 minutes to figure out what he had done, it turned out he got everything but the last few steps right, which is pretty good for never messing with networking. when it did work he was very happy to say the least. and wheres creedon when we need him to talk about computer "jocks" and computer geeks. computer arn't hard to learn, they just take patience. which at $2500+ patience is hard
and for the xp to win 98 networking, i never got that to work either for my nieghbor either
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Computers take patience yes. But with windows you need to be a sado/masachist. Nothing you do can get that pile of garbage to mind.
None the less, I must say these posts have been wondrafly entertaining and I hope Mr. Snout will come back for more :D
Seriously... I do hope he tries the alternatives and stops taking things to seriously. After all, we are just people on a webboard, nothing but words on screen. Why get worked up over it?
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hmmmm S&M
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Originally posted by choasforages:
hmmmm S&M
hey your on to something, reverse the letters and you get ....drum roll... M&S!!!!!!
The truth is revealed, M$ is a degenerate os suited to only the leud and depraved. Or something like that (http://smile.gif)
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S&M via the mind? Ummm that doesn't sound too fun.
HINT:Did you know that if you add an m to free BSD you get free BSDM? ;)
I am not sure what BSDM stands for, but it's somehow related to S&M. Although that's not to say that BSD sucks, just a joke. Although that M&S makes perfect sense.
[ June 27, 2002: Message edited by: lazygamer ]
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actally its close, the real phrase is bdsm, which if im right bdsm stands for bondage domination sado masichist. which is some like really phucked up porn and a sick ass fetish
ok now, enough of the pervert p0rn,
i think i might add something about S&M and M&S in my sig later
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posted by choasforages:
nah, maybe hes probably just stressed. when shit don't work when they dish out money they get eractic.
yeah well it's not my fucking problem. If people post a question with all the necessary info (or even are willing to give the necessary info when prompted) then i will try to help. If some dumbass comes on here and gives everybody a deadline to help or he will "threaten" not to use linux then he can spend happy hours attempting to fuck himself for all i care. quote:
computer arn't hard to learn, they just take patience. which at $2500+ patience is hard
is snout american? seriously though, take money that seriously and you deserve to worry yourself into an early grave. No wonder Microsoft's stuff has taken such hold with morons of that calibre around... quote:
posted by psyjax:
None the less, I must say these posts have been wondrafly entertaining and I hope Mr. Snout will come back for more
me too, although i think he has finished his journey over to the moral high ground and has now convinced himself that the entire unix community are all elitist 'kids'
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Seriously... I do hope he tries the alternatives and stops taking things to seriously.
seriously, i do hope he takes that carrot out of his arse, life's too short! quote:
After all, we are just people on a webboard, nothing but words on screen. Why get worked up over it?
yeah, get over it, it's not the end of the fucking world. I hate to say it but what sort of moron judges a piece of software purely on the biased opinions he makes of a small group of people who may or may not use said software? quote:
posted by psyjax:
hey your on to something, reverse the letters and you get ....drum roll... M&S!!!!!!
what, marks and spencers? i didn't know they were in any way suspect? I even went to their website here (http://www.marks-and-spencer.com/) to try and find out if those allegations were true, but there's no evidence of it!
[ June 27, 2002: Message edited by: Calum ]
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OK guys here's the plan!
We make a new Linux distribution with a GUI that looks exactly like Windows XP. The workings should also be close enough to that of windows so that the typical user cannot tell the difference. It would need a much better version of wine, one that could run almost all windows applications. It would also have to come with linux versions of the applications that come with windoze like notepad and solitare... Then put is on the market for free.
But to further disrupt Bill Gates's evil plot, we would make a rapidly-spreading windoze virus that, whenever a user connects to the internet, their computer starts/continues downloading the new Linux OS. After the download is complete, it saves a copy of all the users applications on a partition, and installs the new OS. The user will then have been liberated from the sinister empire that is Microsoft without even knowing it.
Can always dream right,
V
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Originally posted by Doctor V:
OK guys here's the plan!
We make a new Linux distribution with a GUI that looks exactly like Windows XP. The workings should also be close enough to that of windows so that the typical user cannot tell the difference. It would need a much better version of wine, one that could run almost all windows applications. It would also have to come with linux versions of the applications that come with windoze like notepad and solitare... Then put is on the market for free.
But to further disrupt Bill Gates's evil plot, we would make a rapidly-spreading windoze virus that, whenever a user connects to the internet, their computer starts/continues downloading the new Linux OS. After the download is complete, it saves a copy of all the users applications on a partition, and installs the new OS. The user will then have been liberated from the sinister empire that is Microsoft without even knowing it.
Can always dream right,
V
that wont work. If people dont know that they switched to Linux, then they will think that microsoft just made an extremely stable OS and then they will love Microsoft even more.
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It would free developers by giving them a chance to develope applications for non-M$ that would work for a majority of users. After which, people would just stop making windoze applications cause of how lame, unstable, and difficult to build they are. It would disrupt M$'s spyware network. Perhaps it could come with Mozilla, taking away M$'s grip on the internet by giving users a pre-installed alternative. The same with Window$ Media Player. Real could come with the new OS. After M$ releases a new windoze version, the dummys who are quickest to downgrade to it would imediately be displeased with its performance, and switch back to XP only to find that they weren't using XP all along, afterwhich they would seek linux again. It would make it so all the applications that M$ schemed to make not run it windows due to fear of competition work again. It would eliminate the ability of M$ to give benefits to its minions..er preferred partners by controlling which companys know what about the internal workings of winblows.
It could never be done, but *if* it did, it *would* work.
V
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MUHAHAHA! Sounds great. Your all forgeting one thing. First off you'd need to get some of those hacker dudes who could rape US government "techies" in a freestyle h4x0r battle to help program it. ;)
Ok easy enough, the real problem is lawsuits from MS.
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Originally posted by Doctor V:
OK guys here's the plan!
We make a new Linux distribution with a GUI that looks exactly like Windows XP. The workings should also be close enough to that of windows so that the typical user cannot tell the difference. It would need a much better version of wine, one that could run almost all windows applications. It would also have to come with linux versions of the applications that come with windoze like notepad and solitare... Then put is on the market for free.
Now there's a great idea. Add a series of Linux for Dummies books that help users figure it out. Then from there -- a stable base -- you introduce the new stuff. And do the whole thing in an approachable fashion, i.e., lose the unapproachable geek/be afraid of me attitude. The world would switch very fast.
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ummm, if you think that we are unapproachable/*we are not*/ try talking to the guys behind *BSD.
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willysnout, if you think we are unapproachable, then ring up Microsoft support for many a happy hour, the main difference is that we don't fucking charge you shitloads of money, closely followed by the other fact that you will get no bullshit from us. Try asking a fucking question, if you want to put the theory to the test.