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Operating Systems => Linux and UNIX => Topic started by: lazygamer on 4 August 2002, 02:24
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In 1 to 5 days I should be taking that plunge. Im sure my bios manual will mention how to boot off of a CD if I can't figure it out.
Now I'd like to give you all thanks for convincing me of the inferiority of MS, and the superiority of Linux. Im quite nervous about the whole jump thing so I just want to confirm.
I want Wind0ze 98 on the C drive for the time being, that means it has to share with Linux. Now I clear it all off(format using standard format stuff, creating one giant paritition) then install windows98. After that, I boot with the Mandrake CD, and there should be an option to make it "adjust" the giant C partition to make a new partition for Linux(while still keeping Windows content) correct?
Ok perhaps that's fine, but what about sizes? 8 gigs of room on my HD, how much should Wind0ze get, how much should Mandrake get? I have 384mb ram and a 433 celeron btw.
One more question, does Mandrake include something that will easily add itself to my current boot menu for windows XP and Windows 98?
Sorry if I already went over some of this stuff, but im just nervous. I REALLY don't wanna be caught with my pants down on this. If Mandrake wants to be silly after booting then fine, im sure we can work on that. I just want it and W98 to happily co-exist together and install correctly.
I don't really know how to format a drive 100%, although i'll be getting some help. Problem is, that help isn't exactly pro-linux(but is far from a windows zombie). My help is very curious about Linux, but has never installed it himself. So it's my job to be the Linux d00d, I just don't want everything to come to a screeching halt. (http://smile.gif)
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I want Wind0ze 98 on the C drive for the time being, that means it has to share with Linux. Now I clear it all off(format using standard format stuff, creating one giant paritition) then install windows98. After that, I boot with the Mandrake CD, and there should be an option to make it "adjust" the giant C partition to make a new partition for Linux(while still keeping Windows content) correct?
Correct. Put in your windows98 CD and say boot from CD (don't pick install). Then type in "fdisk" and delete al the partions (it will tell you how to.)
Reboot again, this time install Windows. When that's done, put in your mandrake CD, follow the onscreen instrucitons, and when you hit the "partioning" part, click expert. From there select the big square and on the left hand there should either be a "rezise" or "properties" button. Click it, and resize it to, lets say, 3 gigabytes? You will then have alarge "white" square. Create a new partion, about 500 megabytes, and select the type to be "swap." Then create another one with the mount point "/" and "ext3" filesystem. as for the size, it should fill all up the available space (you'll eventually might want to repartion your drive to have a /home partion and a smaller / partion, but not now). Click "write" or whatever the button is, and then select next. You'll be asked to select all the packages you want to install. After it installs the packages, it will ask other questions like your root password. When you're done, it will ask you if you want to install "graphical lilo," "lilo" or grub. Pick any of them. I prefer grub. Press next, and you're done!
Just to let you know, this is all out of memmory, so maybe the names of the buttons are slighly off.
Edit: This is my 200th post!
[ August 03, 2002: Message edited by: TheQuirk ]
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http://mikeshelp.whidbey.com/mdk_entry.html (http://mikeshelp.whidbey.com/mdk_entry.html)
Really bad screenshots of the installation, but they're step by step. Only problem is the selected "use free space" for the partioning -- at least you'll see everything else..
If anyone else is intrested, that same site has redhat installation screenshots:
http://mikeshelp.whidbey.com/redhat_insta.html (http://mikeshelp.whidbey.com/redhat_insta.html)
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Dont worry lazygamer, I was nervous to, I thought it would be much harder but really it is very easy. Mandrake is just as easy as any windows to install, just pick your partitions and answer a few questions and then your done. and it takes about half the time winderz does.
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Originally posted by trc3:
Dont worry lazygamer, I was nervous to, I thought it would be much harder but really it is very easy. Mandrake is just as easy as any windows to install, just pick your partitions and answer a few questions and then your done. and it takes about half the time winderz does.
Actually, since about 1999, I've felt that Linux is easier to install than ANY version of Windows. Partitioning is very straight-forward, and once you're by that the rest is CAKE. Don't be nervous; the ABSOLOUTE worst case scenario is a re-install; it's just a machine- YOU'RE the boss, not it.
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On the Mandrake site, there is a click-thru demo of the installer. http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/demos/Demo/Mandrake8.2/Install/ (http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/demos/Demo/Mandrake8.2/Install/)
Plus, there are two installation classes: Reccommended and Expert. I reccommend Expert. There is nothing really "expert" about it; it is just more hands on. Just make sure you write down your hardware info on a piece of paper before you install. And don't be nervous. I installed Mandrake three weeks ago and it was really easy and painless.
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One thing to always keep in mind.
Linux Is not Windows.
Unlearn what you learned. Dont go into Linux with a Windows frame of mind.
Thats what i did and for 2 months straight my head was hurting like shit each time i was using Linux.
Give your self some time to get used to it.
[ August 04, 2002: Message edited by: bazoukas ]
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go buy a book, linux is getting so damned easy to install, taht when you get it done, you don't know what the fuck to do with your new *NIX on your computer. try to get your parents to pay for half of it. and tell them that you are learning real world information technolgies that is the wave of the future, becuase ibm says so/*it worked in my case*/
and my dad borrows unix books from work. my prize book is
The UNIX programing environment
by brian w. kernighan
and rob pike
[ August 04, 2002: Message edited by: choasforages ]
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Been there, done that so here's the way I recommend.
First, how about some more info...
1) do you have Win98 installed now?
2) if so, does it work reasonably well?
3) if "yes" why do you want to format and reload?
4) do you have more than one partition right now?
IMPORTANT: does your current hard drive use a "special" drive/partition manager (ie MaxBlast, EZ-install, etc.)? If so, do not pass go, do not collect $200 - post here and I'll try to help.
>> If you are going to do a fresh install of Win98, make a boot disk and add FDISK and FORMAT to it. Boot to the disk, run FDISK. DELETE all drives and partitions. CAUTION: this will delete EVERYTHING on your system!!!
Next, re-run FDISK and set a primary partition of 1000MB (1GB) which is more than enough for Win98 and a few good sized programs. DO NOT set up any of the remaining space. Reboot and FORMAT C: then load Win98. Set up Win98 as you wish.
If you need help in using FDISK, just ask and I'll help. Go down to the line "Next, get a soda or cup of coffee..." <<
To KEEP your Win98 intact -
If Win98 is ok to leave, clear out the junk such as temp files, old stuff you don't use, etc. Don't forget to delete all files from "C:\windows\temp" directory!!
Empty the RECYCLE bin.
Defrag all hard drive partitions (assuming you have more than one partition).
Next, set the swap file to a fixed size on the C: drive (such as Min & Max of 64MB). Reboot.
In the Control Panel > System > Device Mangler, write down your hardware such as video card, hd, cd, and modem (with COM port setting).
Borrow a copy of Partition Magic. Using PM, reduce the size of your C: drive to have 700MB free space (just enough to hold one CD of data - you never know when it comes in handy). If you have other partitions, reduce their size to +100MB each and MOVE the partitions to butt-up to the new C: drive. On the last partition (or the C: drive +700MB if you only have one drive), keep the remaining free space. Do NOT assign to a new drive or as DOS space. This will become your new Linux space.
Execute all of the Partition Magic changes. After the reboot, PM should show a large unassigned section of hd space.
Next, get a soda or cup of coffee and return to the PC.
Insert your Linux CD into the CD-ROM drive. Shut down Windoz. Reboot with RESET or power button and enter your BIOS setup. If you have an entry ADVANCED BIOS FEATURES, go there. Find an entry something like FIRST / SECOND / THIRD BOOT DEVICE. Select the FIRST BOOT DEVICE and change it to CD-ROM. If that isn't an option under FIRST, select FLOOPY DRIVE then go to SECOND BOOT DEVICE and select CD-ROM. Save your changes and the system will reboot using the CD-ROM drive.
Answer the few prompts to install Linux using the FREE SPACE on your hd. Select to instal LILO on you boot disk/partition (the C: drive). Enjoy your soda or cup of coffee. Shortly after you are done with your coffee Linux will be installed (30 to 60 minutes tpyical).
Enjoy the freedom.
Regards,
Linux-Newbie
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"Select to instal LILO on you boot disk/partition (the C: drive)."
Wouldn't GRUB be more helpful with a dual boot system? Unless you have winblows configed in some way I never figured out windows will always boot automatically... it's just pushy like that... I never mix the the Linux OS and the winblows trash heap myself.. but my friend did and used LILO and has to use a boot disk for Linux to boot and not Winblows...
or does mandrake not come with GRUB? I use Redhat 7.2 right now.... Nice in my oppinion.. got all of the fun toys like WINE and SAMBA figured out...
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Been there, done that so here's the way I recommend.
First, how about some more info...
1) do you have Win98 installed now?
2) if so, does it work reasonably well?
3) if "yes" why do you want to format and reload?
4) do you have more than one partition right now?
1)Yes, and XP(late beta, no MS phone home to install BS).
2)Yes and no. It sucks somewhat, although it doesn't crash every 5, 10, or even 20 minutes. However it seems quite bloated and in-efficient.
3)Well, this helps SAFELY clean out the closets of stuff you can't safely clean or you didn't know needed to be cleaned. This time im gonna try and take better care of it. BTW, XP is being gay.
4)I have two harddrives, 8 gig and 40 gig. 8 gig is C and E. 40 gig is D. XP is on D, Wind0ze 98 is on C.
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IMPORTANT: does your current hard drive use a "special" drive/partition manager (ie MaxBlast, EZ-install, etc.)? If so, do not pass go, do not collect $200 - post here and I'll try to help.
No, mine has no partition manager.
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If Win98 is ok to leave, clear out the junk such as temp files, old stuff you don't use, etc. Don't forget to delete all files from "C:\windows\temp" directory!!
Empty the RECYCLE bin.
Defrag all hard drive partitions (assuming you have more than one partition).
Next, set the swap file to a fixed size on the C: drive (such as Min & Max of 64MB). Reboot.
In the Control Panel > System > Device Mangler, write down your hardware such as video card, hd, cd, and modem (with COM port setting).
Yah but I like clean slates. ;)
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Borrow a copy of Partition Magic. Using PM, reduce the size of your C: drive to have 700MB free space (just enough to hold one CD of data - you never know when it comes in handy). If you have other partitions, reduce their size to +100MB each and MOVE the partitions to butt-up to the new C: drive. On the last partition (or the C: drive +700MB if you only have one drive), keep the remaining free space. Do NOT assign to a new drive or as DOS space. This will become your new Linux space.
Execute all of the Partition Magic changes. After the reboot, PM should show a large unassigned section of hd space.
Next, get a soda or cup of coffee and return to the PC.
Awww man, do I have to get PM? Can't I just use built in commands?
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Enjoy your soda or cup of coffee
Coffee/soda r0x0rs!
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If you are going with a clean slate then just install your other OSs without using all of the disk (leave enough free/unpartitioned space on the hard drives for Linux).
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Wouldn't GRUB be more helpful with a dual boot system? Unless you have winblows configed in some way I never figured out windows will always boot automatically... it's just pushy like that... I never mix the the Linux OS and the winblows trash heap myself.. but my friend did and used LILO and has to use a boot disk for Linux to boot and not Winblows...
or does mandrake not come with GRUB? I use Redhat 7.2 right now.... Nice in my oppinion.. got all of the fun toys like WINE and SAMBA figured out...
Yes, well im wondering that too. Can a non-wind0ze boot manager shitkick wind0ze and tell it who's boss? :D
I think my dual boot option was put on by XP. Although I definitly do not want to have to use a bootdisk just to get into Linux.
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well, i find that for a straight dual boot setup, lilo or grub are both more than adequate. I have mostly used lilo with no problems, and am not trying out grub to see the difference.
since everybody else has said almost everything that could possibly be said about dual booting here, can i just show you a picture of my hard drive setup? the first two partitions (windows and linux native) should be about 2.5 gigs on an 8 Gb drive, i'd say, and all the other partitions should be fit into whatever you have left. The swap should be roughly between one and two times the size of your RAM. the more RAM you have, the less likely you will be to need a lot of swap, so you won't likely need more than 500Mb of swap at the most, in my opinion, depending on what programs you plan to run...
(http://www.boomspeed.com/calumwith1l/partition.jpg)
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Oh I love those 0ldsk00l 16 color graphics. :)
So Lilo, Graphical Lilo, and Grub. Pros and cons? Woulden't Lilo be best cuz it's graphical?
What about KDE and Gnome, pros and cons? I suppose I can easily try them both.
Now what packages do I want? For one thing, I'll never be running a server. Is there additional descriptions for the packages? Oh and what is individual package selection? Is that taking the pieces you want out of each package?
Now some misc questions
1:Can I tell Linux to forcefully attempt to utilize a resolution at a refresh rate of my choosing. Windows is so fucking gay, I have to have powerstrip just to get a nice refresh rate.
2:Will I ever have to worry about Linux becoming an in-efficient piece of shit needing a re-install?
3 :D o I need to do a clean install if I want something off the CD that I didn't choose during the installation?
4:Should I give Mandrake corp(or whoever makes mandrake) my personal data? Even though their l33t cuz their Linux, do they really have a right to my mailing address(which no one has ever been shown) or my sekrat spam-free e-mail addy? Part of the reason we get spam is that a whole shitload of companies lie about their "privacy policy".
5 :o k everything set up(well in a few days anyways), what do I do now, in this strange new land? Hop on the net and contact you guys from a Linux run browser? Learn the inner workings of my l33t Li/\/u>< distr0 so I can optimize the shit out of it? Get Half-life working under it? Set up my ICQ under it?
Hehe, Drak X will tell you if you have an easy password, LOL! Wind0ze never did that. ;)
If I didn't insert a password for a non-root account, would that simply mean that non-root account had no password? I can see no need to password out non-root accounts, cuz this is a family computer. Heck, im not so sure if I even need a root password. Does that root password simply serve to make me invunerable to hack.. err crackers?(wind0ze will always be super vunerable though) Cuz any damage done locally is pointless, if someone wanted to f0ck me up, they can easily log into wind0ze(locally). Of course, someone fucking up my comp intentionally while im in the other room, just don't see that happening. :)
This actually sounds kinda easy.
[ August 06, 2002: Message edited by: lazygamer ]
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One more thing, I know how to delete paritions(fdisk), but how do you create them? Does fdisk destroy as well as create?
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Did I read that right. Root password makes you invulnerable to hack....NO. Root password gives you access to your system at root level, which means your system is totally open. At that level you can do anything to your system, and so can any hacker. Don't ever log in as root and be connected to the net at the same time, it makes you very vulnerable.
You will need access to root to be able to set up user permissions, allow new programs on your system, and make all those configuration changes. I don't think it will NOT let you set a password. You log in as a normal user yourself, so that you can play with your system, but it is hard to do damage that way, as the system will ask you for root access first.
And good luck, it's piece of piss with Mandrake.
And Fdisk will create partitions. But use the built in Diskdrake that comes with Mandrake, it's much more simple and graphical too, which might be easier on you, and you can resize without difficulty, I don;t think Fdsik is very friendly on that score (but it's been a while, and that was for O/S 2).
[ August 06, 2002: Message edited by: pkd ]
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Originally posted by Tonerman:
"Select to instal LILO on you boot disk/partition (the C: drive)."
Wouldn't GRUB be more helpful with a dual boot system? Unless you have winblows configed in some way I never figured out windows will always boot automatically... it's just pushy like that... I never mix the the Linux OS and the winblows trash heap myself.. but my friend did and used LILO and has to use a boot disk for Linux to boot and not Winblows...
LILO, GRGRUB - to each their own (part of the beauty of Linux). I have never had a problem with LILO - have set up to dual and tri boot. Not sure why your friend can't do it.
Regards,
Linux-Newbie
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1)Yes, and XP(late beta, no MS phone home to install BS).
2)Yes and no. It sucks somewhat, although it doesn't crash every 5, 10, or even 20 minutes. However it seems quite bloated and in-efficient.
3)Well, this helps SAFELY clean out the closets of stuff you can't safely clean or you didn't know needed to be cleaned. This time im gonna try and take better care of it. BTW, XP is being gay.
4)I have two harddrives, 8 gig and 40 gig. 8 gig is C and E. 40 gig is D. XP is on D, Wind0ze 98 is on C.
OK, this info helps. Can you partition your 8G drive into C: and D:, install Win98 on C: and XP on D:? That would leave the 40G drive for Linux.
Or, partition the 40G drive (C: and D (http://smile.gif) and install Win98 and XP and leave the full 8G drive for Linux.
Either way, this one will be really easy to do.
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No, mine has no partition manager.
Great ... pass GO and collect $200.
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Yah but I like clean slates.
You da man - best and easiest.
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Awww man, do I have to get PM? Can't I just use built in commands?
You didn't follow direction in my first post. I recommended PM only if you wanted to KEEP your current installations. If wiping and reloading the instructions said "Go down to the line 'Next, get a soda or cup of coffee...' << In your case, doing a fresh Win install, you need to wipe the current and reinstall - no need for PM.
quote:Enjoy your soda or cup of coffee
Coffee/soda r0x0rs!
Black, 135 degrree F, 22 oz minimum.
I'll address your other questions as I read them.
Regards,
Linux-Newbie
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Originally posted by lazygamer:
Yes, well im wondering that too. Can a non-wind0ze boot manager shitkick wind0ze and tell it who's boss? :D
I think my dual boot option was put on by XP. Although I definitly do not want to have to use a bootdisk just to get into Linux.
With Win98 or W2k LILO works grgeat (for me) as it tells Win who is boss. Not sure about XP so I can't help on this one.
Regards,
Linux-Newbie
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Originally posted by lazygamer:
One more thing, I know how to delete paritions(fdisk), but how do you create them? Does fdisk destroy as well as create?
First, FDISK destroys and creates. Any time you delete a logical drive, extended or primary partition, you wipe out all data there!
First task is to plan, then gather tools and last to execute.
Plan
You need to decide how you want to use the resources (hard drive space). What do you want to do with Windows and with Linux. If Win98 is just to run games from CD or the web, you don't need much space - no more than 500MB, certainly not more than 1G (enough to load Office and a couple other large packages). Ditto for XP but I don't know two things about XP: 1) install space required, and 2) how to set up trti-boot (Win98-XP-Linux) with LILO or GRUB. My guess is XP plus programs will need about 2-3GB.
I would put Win98 and XP on VFAT partitions to make future life easier (all three OSes will "see" all of the partitions). I suggest another VFAT partition (E (http://smile.gif) of 10GB (or more) that will become your "common" drive to hold your DATA files - those files you create - which would be accessable to all OSes. This is what I have done for years and it has never failed me.
OK, lets see - we have a 1G (C (http://smile.gif) for Win98, a 3G (D (http://smile.gif) for XP and a 10G (E (http://smile.gif) data storage partition. To do that, I would use the 40G drive as MASTER, partitioned per above. The 8G drive, set as SLAVE, will hold the core Linux OS and the balance of the unassigned space on the MASTER drive could hold the Linux "/home" partition (this is similar to the Windows MyDocuments and ProgramFiles directories) - lots of room to grow there!
Write down your final partition plan. Remember that DOS (Windows) "sees" physical drive("0") (the MASTER in a multi-drive system) as the bootable device and assigns "C:" to the first partition on that physical drive (the partition is assigned to DOS and made active). If the second physical drive ("1") is assigned to DOS, it automatically becomes "D:". This does NOT happen if the second physical drive is not assigned to DOS (this would be the case in my suggested arrangement).
Per the arrangement above, you would have -
MASTER (40G, physical drive "0") which is partitioned into:
Primary Partition - C: of 1GB
Extended DOS Partition - 13GB
Logical Drives in Extended partition - D: of 3GB, E: of 10GB
[logical drives are made in the extended partition, in this case (3GB-D (http://smile.gif) + (10GB-E (http://smile.gif) = (13GB extended partition)]
Unassigned - balance of drive (about 25GB)
SLAVE (8G, physical drive "1"): No DOS partitions
THESE ARE JUST IDEAS - everyone will have their own way of doing things. Obviously the numbers can be adjusted to suit your needs (such as a 20GB "E:" partition for MP3 files).
Gather Tools
You will need to get someone else to help you with multiple boot with XP. Get whatever tools they recommend.
You will need a Win98 boot floppy disk with FDISK and FORMAT copied to it. Make the bootable disk using MyComputer > [A:] > File > Format > Type=FULL, Optios=CopySystemFiles, START. Using Windows Explore, navigate to "C:\Windows\Command" directory and copy FDISK.EXE and FORMAT.EXE to the bootable floppy disk you just made.
You will need the partition list made during planning.
You will need the hard drvie manufacturers instructions (to set jumpers).
You will need hand tools such as screw driver(s), flashlight, etc. (to remove and re-install HDs).
You will need all software to be installed, plus the "key" or serial number, such as:
Win98 (assumes a bootable CD version)
WinXP
Anti-virus program(s)
Productivity programs
Games/fun programs
Linux
Execute - just do it
Unplug your computer from AC and external devices.
Put both hdds onto IDE channel 0 (same cable of the first IDE controller channel). Change around the hard drives so the 40GB is MASTER and the 8GB is SLAVE. This requires setting jumper blocks on the drives so you will need the manufacturers instructions. Replace panels, cables, external devices and plug into AC.
Start computer, enter the BIOS setup and change the First Boot Device to FLOPPY. SAVE changes to BIOS and EXIT.
Boot to the bootable floppy disk you made and run FDISK.
FDISK (defaults to the MASTER hdd)
...enable large disk support? = "Y"
Delete all logical drives, extended partition and primary partition (you said you know how to do this).
ESCAPE back to the opening FDISK screen and change to the other physical drive (I think it's option "5" - going from memory here). Repeat deletions from the second drive.
ESCAPE back to the opening FDISK screen and change back to the first drive (the MASTER 40G drive).
You have now dedleted ALL the stuff from both hard drives. Time to create new DOS drives.
Select "1. Create DOS Partition..."
Select "1. Create Primary DOS Partition"
Change the size to "1000"
ENTER
ESC back one screen
Select "2. Create Extended DOS Partition"
Change the size to "13000"
ENTER
ESC back one screen
Select "3. Create Logical DOS Drive(s) in the Extended DOS Partition"
Change the size to "3000"
ENTER
ESC back one screen
Select "3. Create Logical DOS Drives(s)..."
Change the size to "10000"
Enter
ESC until you exit FDISK and return to the "A:\>" prompt
Reboot the computer (leave floppy disk in drive).
FORMAT drives C:, D:, and E:
Remove the floppy disk.
Insert Win98 setup CD-ROM into drive.
IMPORTANT: the next section assumes you will install Win98 from a bootable CD.
Reboot the computer, enter the BIOS setup and change the First Boot Device to CD-ROM and the second device to HDD-0. SAVE changes and EXIT.
Computer should boot into Win98 setup CD. Install Win98 and secondary programs per their instructions.
Follow instrtuctions to load XP per help from someone else.
Follow instructions to load Linux.
Good luck and happy computing.
Regards,
Linux-Newbie
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Sorry - I forgot to turn off the darn smilie faces.
Linux-Newbie
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Originally posted by linux-newbie:
First, FDISK destroys and creates. Any time you delete a logical drive, extended or primary partition, you wipe out all data there!
Actually that is not quite true. All that really happens when you delete a partition, is you delete the partition boundry which is only a few bytes of data in the partition table, not the data itself. However the data will be useless without that partition boundry (or special software and knowlege). You can in fact delete a partition, then if you recreate the partition in exactly the same place of exactly the same size your data will still be there just as if you did nothing at all. If you want to test this, create a small partition, copy some data to it, delete it, then recreate the partition.
Of course this is just a technicality. Oh, and you can edit your posts by clicking on the edit ICON directly above your post if you wanted to fix your smileys...
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Originally posted by VoidMain:
Actually that is not quite true. All that really happens when you delete a partition, is you delete the partition boundry which is only a few bytes of data in the partition table, not the data itself. If you want to test this, create a small partition, copy some data to it, delete it, then recreate the partition....Of course this is just a technicality.
Oh, and you can edit your posts by clicking on the edit ICON directly above your post if you wanted to fix your smileys...
I tried to keep the post reasonably "low tech" as many people don't really need or want that level of detail...they just want to get a task done.
Thanks for the info about fixing the smileys - I think I'll leave them so I don't look like a geek (just a nerd).
Regards,
Linux-Newbie
[ August 06, 2002: Message edited by: linux-newbie ]
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OK, this info helps. Can you partition your 8G drive into C: and D:, install Win98 on C: and XP on D:? That would leave the 40G drive for Linux.
Oh that makes sense alright, but this Linux is meant to be a proving ground. If I can prove to ma "Look ma Linux r0x0rs!", then I can probably get the 40 gig for Linux... or not. ;)
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Or, partition the 40G drive (C: and D and install Win98 and XP and leave the full 8G drive for Linux.
I believe my brother mentioned that he feels you can't mix win XP and Win98 on the same harddrive. Of course im not sure if that was refering to the same partition or not. But simple is best, and that's what this has to be.
My plan was to keep the 40gig for XP, but mainly a repository for big shit(read (http://tongue.gif) rograms) in XP, W98 and Linux. I mean it is possible for Linux to access my big D drive(also note that my 40 gig D drive would not need to be formatted at all, it can just stay as is. Although later I want to format it and re-install X-pee).
Holy shit Linux newbie your scaring me, fuck I'd quote you but Wind0ze is being gay and not copying text right. I mean im very uncomfortable that even my help would understand what you just said or just say "nah let's do it this way". (http://smile.gif)
Isn't it just as simple as
A)Boot from windows 95 CD
A)Format 8 gig(C and E)
B)create a giant 8 gig C partition
C)Install wind0ze onto that partition
D)Boot from Mandrake CD
E)Mandrake adjusts wind0ze C partition and installs it self in the new partition
F)And where outta here ;)
I mean shit like motherboard jumper adjusting, wierd partitions etc. ARRRRGH! I want this to be simple dude, much easier to do, less paranoia about deadends(given by a super paranoid father and a worrywart mother). In fact so easy that from A-F I may not even need more technically advanced help. ;)
Besides, Linux gets this small little cubby hole to prove itself to an evil, accursed blood line of wind0ze worshipers(well not exactly "worship", more like "accept").
PS:I have windows 98 UPGRADE which is always installed over Windows 95.
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Since I didn't see anyone address it..
KDE Vs Gnome..
I use Gnome Red Hat 7.2
but I installed KDE cause it has some simple games I like.. and the dialer.. anyhoo.. if you have the space.... install both.. and the switcher prog.. than you can go back and forth..
but.. KDE is more... Windowesk. If you have trouble going from windows to Linux.. use KDE for a lil while...
But Gnome is good in the end.
But, either way.. learn to run things from the terminal... It may save you ass...
killall -KILL wine
hehe, I screwd up and froze my screen over with the Wine screeen for StarCraft... a lil alt tabing and that command
but yeah, if you install GRUB and don't do the graphical start up. or set Xwindows to start in graphical mode automatically...
after you log in.. StartX will obviously start X...
other obvious ones are..
reboot
halt(shuts the system down)
logout or exit. these will log you out if you are outside of X. so you can come in under a different username.. say... my personal one.. instead of root.
another useful one it. linuxconf And Xconfigurator(check my spelling someone, I suck at it..)
netconf sndconfig mouseconfig these a simple config programs.. some may be graphical.. some text.. eitherway, useful.
*racks brain for useful simple command*
gtop or ktop depending wether KDE or GNOME is installed.. let's you see everything that is running. and kill anything you need to.
gedit nice simple text editor.
mount /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy
will mount the floppy drive
mount /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom
mounts the cdrom
umount /mnt/floppy
umount /mnt/cdrom
the unmounting stuff
These are just some of the random commands that are useful. to me at least. look for more online for anything you need.
I learned linux from 5.1 Redhat using mostly keyboard command.. so..yeah hehe
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But before installing Mandrake, it is strongly recommended that you run Disk Defragmenter and ScanDisk from within Windows on the drive.
Ok suppose I installed Windows 98 onto a freshly formatted harddrive, isn't a format every bit as good as a defrag and scandisk?
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Originally posted by lazygamer:
I believe my brother mentioned that he feels you can't mix win XP and Win98 on the same harddrive. Of course im not sure if that was refering to the same partition or not. But simple is best, and that's what this has to be.
OK - that answers one question. I agree that for this case simple is best (see rest of reply).
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My plan was to keep the 40gig for XP, but mainly a repository for big shit(read :p rograms) in XP, W98 and Linux. I mean it is possible for Linux to access my big D drive(also note that my 40 gig D drive would not need to be formatted at all, it can just stay as is. Although later I want to format it and re-install X-pee).
Yes.
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Holy shit Linux newbie your scaring me, fuck I'd quote you but Wind0ze is being gay and not copying text right. I mean im very uncomfortable that even my help would understand what you just said or just say "nah let's do it this way". :)
Isn't it just as simple as
A)Boot from windows 95 CD
A)Format 8 gig(C and E)
B)create a giant 8 gig C partition
C)Install wind0ze onto that partition
D)Boot from Mandrake CD
E)Mandrake adjusts wind0ze C partition and installs it self in the new partition
F)And where outta here ;)
There is one major addition to your post - you want Linux to be a "test" - to try out. This changes how I would reply.
First, simple is better. Given your findings regarding XP, I would do the Linux install and BOOT TO A LINUX FLOPPY. No mess, no fuss, no boot manager problems. After all, you just want the ability to play with and learn Linux, right? Then do the install and boot to floppy.
Follow your ideas (above) with one small revision. In step "A)Format 8 gig(C and E)" you should run FDISK.Make a 1GB to 3GBB primary partition (C:) and deelete your current E: partition (that will be the free space for Linux). The complete your steps as you outlined but during the Linux install, select to boot from a floppy. Don't forget to change your BIOS setup at the end so FIRST BOOT DEVICE=FLOPPY and SECOND BOOT DEVICE=HDD 0.
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I mean shit like motherboard jumper adjusting, wierd partitions etc. ARRRRGH! I want this to be simple dude, much easier to do, less paranoia about deadends(given by a super paranoid father and a worrywart mother).
Uhmm, this is simple - it is as basic as it can get when opening the hood for a DOS-computer.
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Besides, Linux gets this small little cubby hole to prove itself to an evil, accursed blood line of wind0ze worshipers(well not exactly "worship", more like "accept").
That is the key statement to your entire thread. Had you said that in your first post this thread would have ended long ago.
Regards,
Linux-Newbie
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Much thanks Linux newbie. Well when I first came here I was just thinking "try it out", but now I realize Linux is my future. The people here have done such a good job convincing me of Linux's power and MS's stupidity that I honestly could not happily just go back to windows like before.
I know in my heart the relationship with windows has to end. In all reality, im 100% positive Linux is my future and I'll love it far more then I do windows(which I don't love), call it blind faith if you will. In my mind, "trying it out" is really just an excuse to get the damn thing on my HD. Once I prove how l33t it is to my family(luckily I have a family who is indiffernt to windows BS and can be swayed in the other direction with sufficient proof), it's getting more then a cubby hole. (http://smile.gif)
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well, if only my dad would belive in linux also. but i could try even harder.
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Alright, im gonna attempt this right now!
/jumps into ravine
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have phun, and read a book
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