Stop Microsoft
Operating Systems => Linux and UNIX => Topic started by: fireprogrammer on 30 April 2004, 00:46
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I want a OS that is stable (linux), but i think that linux isn't ready for the commercial world against microsoft. I want to find a way to run all my microsoft programms on windows (like games). The wine project isn't good enough to handle complicated games like CS. I want to convince people to use linux instead of windows and mozilla (or other) instead of IE, Openoffice.org (or other) instead of microsoft office. If we can convince people to use linux instead of windows, a whole new (opensource) market will open for alternative OS users. I'm prepared to bring as many new desktopusers to linux as possible.
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good for you (http://smile.gif) My mom...a clueless computer person a few months ago got proficient at Linux (mepis) much faster than windows...I think it's nearly ready to compete...all thats left is more software vendors need to write programs for it.
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Your best choice would be Mac OS X. You can get lots of commercial software and games, including M$ Office, and it's very easy to use. As for Windoze apps, you can always use Virtual PC.
By the way, OS X is based on UNIX, too. And its underlying system (Darwin) is open source.
[ April 29, 2004: Message edited by: Laukev7 ]
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I'm not really a MAC fan, but i don't have anything against the system. They don't try to destroy their opponents.
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Why are you saying that WINE can't handle CS? HAVE YOU TRIED IT?
I've managed to run Steam, Trillian and Unreal Tournament in WINE so far (UT 2004 is for Linux too, doesn't need WINE).
You just have to choose OpenGL, not Direct3D :rolleyes: (the UT 2004 Linux version is OpenGL + SDL).
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Offcourse i've tried it, i wouldn't say it if i haven't tried it. But i will try again. i use the free version of WINE maybe thats the problem ?
Antwoorden kan ook in nederlands
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Oh come on Laukev7, this is the linux forum, stop boosting macs in here, unless you want me to come over to the mac forum and suggest everyone use linux. :D :D :D
Anyway, fireprog wine can easily handle Counter Strike, and several windows games, but WineX, the commercial version of wine has much greater game support and can play games like Max Payne 2, and WarCraft 3. It does cost money, but consider it a savings, after all MS Windows costs a lot more.
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Originally posted by ThePreacher Linux Game Master:
Oh come on Laukev7, this is the linux forum, stop boosting macs in here, unless you want me to come over to the mac forum and suggest everyone use linux. :D :D :D
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Alright then, sorry for that. I've been a bit too eager to post something that's actually related to alternatives to Microsoft. :D But there's a little ambiguity that needs to be addressed here:
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Ask questions about, and discuss, any *NIX type system. This includes GNU, *BSD, MacOSX, Linux, Minix, System V, HP-UX, AIX, Solaris, SunOS, CygWin et cetera
;)
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i think that is refering to darwin more than mac osx
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Originally posted by The Stiller:
i think that is refering to darwin more than mac osx
That's my point.
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If the talk gonna turned about gamez, I would like to ask. I have wineX, and i wanna launch some kind of game. But it says that it cant open blah blah, (message from game). I know reason, game is looking for *registry k3ys" and i dont have it setup. BTW anybody knows how to "add registry keys for wine?". Sure i could install game, but i dont have installation setup.
Thanks
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Btw and more: anybody knows how to launch DOS game with wineX? It just prompts that they releasing some kind of KB's , and nothing, terminate execution , btw strange thing
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DukePuke: If the talk gonna turned about gamez, I would like to ask. I have wineX, and i wanna launch some kind of game. But it says that it cant open blah blah, (message from game). I know reason, game is looking for *registry k3ys" and i dont have it setup. BTW anybody knows how to "add registry keys for wine?". Sure i could install game, but i dont have installation setup.
Thanks
You can't (http://tongue.gif)
Use DOSEMU (http://www.dosemu.org/)
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Originally posted by DukePuke:
Sure i could install game, but i dont have installation setup
Do you mean you don't have the CD.
If so,
try to download games that end on .exe (only for educational use (http://tongue.gif) ).
You could also let a friend extract it on a Windows box.
Sadly most games need 3D acceleration(not all).
If you don't have an nvidia card, you can't use them in WineX.
PS: Loki doesn't exist anymore, but their software still does. You can still use it to download, install and play many "demo-games"(all native Linux).
http://www.lokigames.com/ (http://www.lokigames.com/)
[ May 01, 2004: Message edited by: insomnia ]
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I haven't got an answer on my first question. How can we defeat Microsoft with linux. And i don't wanna use MAC
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Originally posted by fireprog:
I haven't got an answer on my first question. How can we defeat Microsoft with linux. And i don't wanna use MAC
The way you formulate your question makes it very difficult for me to understand it.
Did you meant:
Can you help me to install Linux on my computer so I won't have to use Windows anymore?
or
What would the Open Source community have to do, to create Linux in such a way in which it can defeat Microsoft on the desktop market?
If you're from The Netherlands, Belgium or Surinam, please explain it to me in Dutch. English is a very limited language (http://smile.gif)
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Originally posted by fireprog:
I want a OS that is stable (linux), but i think that linux isn't ready for the commercial world against microsoft. I want to find a way to run all my microsoft programms on windows (like games). The wine project isn't good enough to handle complicated games like CS. I want to convince people to use linux instead of windows and mozilla (or other) instead of IE, Openoffice.org (or other) instead of microsoft office. If we can convince people to use linux instead of windows, a whole new (opensource) market will open for alternative OS users. I'm prepared to bring as many new desktopusers to linux as possible.
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Originally posted by fireprog:
I haven't got an answer on my first question. How can we defeat Microsoft with linux. And i don't wanna use MAC
You want to "beat" Microsoft, yet you want to continue to use their software. First things first. STOP USING MS SOFTWARE. Its that easy. And even though this is the Unix forum, I'm still going to recommend OSX.
Oh yeah, its Mac, not MAC.
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Originally posted by Lime:
And even though this is the Unix forum, I'm still going to recommend OSX.
Oh yeah, its Mac, not MAC.
I don't.
PS: Read his first post. He's using PC and not some MAC.
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Me neither. Macintosh is really only an option if you love the platform or have money to spend.
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I will be straight and i will say mac is shit. Use linux and dont confuse your head with all other OS'es
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Originally posted by DukePuke:
I will be straight and i will say mac is shit. Use linux and dont confuse your head with all other OS'es
Could you explain why? I've personally never tried Mac OS X, but I was very impressed with Mac OS 9.
Macintosh computers look very cool.
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Well actualy I dont have big experience with those cool boxes, but 5-6 years before i had some practice with some kind of macintosh in laptop. BTW i dont liked it , nothing to do with it, not much software (that was in Lithuania and btw apple boxes was 0.01-0.1 % compared to rest). So i had just bad memories with it. BTW even interface, and so on, lets call that this has "bad aura"
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and btw i dont have current values, dont know about mac's population in world, but in Europe (expecialy eastern) i believe its very small. Only very few people has Macs and their communities is small, no retail software, etc. And btw boxes is fuckin expensive, just stupid gayish design
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Originally posted by fireprog:
I want a OS that is stable (linux),
ok.
but i think that linux isn't ready for the commercial world against microsoft.
Thats an opinion. I find Linux has passed windows years ago!
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I want to find a way to run all my microsoft programms on windows (like games).
Well there is wine, WineX and CrossOver Office to name a few. Then there are things like VMware and such.
Or you could do it like me. Put win2k on a really shitty box and with your l33t box connect to via VNC (tightvnc.org)
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The wine project isn't good enough to handle complicated games like CS.
The wine project is a continuing bata. If you don't want to spend your time hacking it and helping out the community then by something like WineX or CrossOver Office.
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I want to convince people to use linux instead of windows and mozilla (or other) instead of IE, Openoffice.org (or other) instead of microsoft office.
Some people you will never convince. Those are the people you can take advantage of by showing to the world how much they are like sheep.
Just point out any number of the billions of problems windows has. Like virri, trojans, DRM, instabillity, market practices even the same problems related with every version year after year. There is tons of info in each.
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If we can convince people to use linux instead of windows, a whole new (opensource) market will open for alternative OS users.
Well, there already is. From IBM to novell just to name a few.
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I'm prepared to bring as many new desktopusers to linux as possible.[/b]
welcome to freedom computing!!!
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I don't think this looks gay at all:
(http://a248.e.akamai.net/7/248/8352/288/store.apple.com/Catalog/nl/Images/beautyshot_power_mac_g5.jpg)
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Fuck Mac.
It's better than Windows but it still sucks.
Do give me a reason why I shoudn't dislike OS X.
I know it's easy, but you still have to pay to much money for it.
Please explain me why OS X doesn't suck.
Linux and *BSD are much better.
You spoiled pricks seem to think OS X can match Linux.
Do explain this.
[ May 03, 2004: Message edited by: insomnia ]
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You should prove that OS X sucks in the first place. Or that Linux even comes close to Windows, let alone OS X.
What you just mentioned about OS X being easy is one reason OS X is much better than Linux. It's also based on an open source OS, like BSD, and runs most OSS applications available for Linux (and many more). Only the interface is not open source, and you can replace it. Furthermore, Apple is a leading innovator, and OS X gets many features that both Windoze and Linux only get years later.
I won't go into details, you'll just try to make a cheap imitation.
[ May 02, 2004: Message edited by: Laukev7 ]
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insomnia, ur a fucking dumbass.
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Originally posted by Laukev7:
Furthermore, Apple is a leading innovator
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Originally posted by Laukev7:
It's also based on an open source OS, like BSD
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Yes, and?
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Originally posted by Laukev7:
Yes, and?
Darwin is based on *BSD, The interface is based on Step.
Innovating?
Why do always claim Mac is better than anything else?
If people ask something about Linux you shoudn't reply with "Use OS X".
The person who started this topic is a PC user.
OS X doesn't even run on it.
[ May 03, 2004: Message edited by: insomnia ]
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Originally posted by insomnia:
Darwin is based on *BSD, The interface is based on Step.
Innovating?
You do know NeXT was founded by Steve Jobs, right?
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Why do always claim Mac is better than anything else?
If people ask something about Linux you shoudn't reply with "Use OS X".
The person who started this topic is a PC user.
OS X doesn't even run on it.
Look, I have already apologised for that, OK? I misread the post, and wasn't sure exactly what he wanted. I've read it again, and I saw my mistake.
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insomnia: Darwin is based on *BSD, The interface is based on Step.
Innovating?
Why do always claim Mac is better than anything else?
If people ask something about Linux you shoudn't reply with "Use OS X".
The person who started this topic is a PC user.
OS X doesn't even run on it.
Indeed. Buying a Macintosh is a large investment, and people should really think about it if it's worth the money.
Linux is a very good operating system and a great alternative to Windows, which makes Apple lose their "Switch to us if you want to get rid of Windows" attitude.
Even on the creative side of things, Linux is catching up. We have The Gimp, Blender, POV Ray, AC3d, etc., and soon, Macromedia Studio MX will have a Linux version.
It's not catching up to the Mac on the graphical industry yet, but it's on its way.
Let's face it, Linux is becomming a wider used alternative for Windows than Macintosh, just because of the price issue.
And the usually working compatibility (on an executable level, networking is fully compatible with Windows now Samba 3 has arrived) with Windows is helping a bit too.
But, Mac OS X doesn't suck. In fact, it's sometimes even better than Linux at the GUI.
Apple knows the balance between keeping it easy, but not to get in the way of the power user. And that's the balance every operating system needs (except the server editions of course ;) ).
[ May 03, 2004: Message edited by: Refalm ]
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You want to "beat" Microsoft, yet you want to continue to use their software. First things first. STOP USING MS SOFTWARE. Its that easy. And even though this is the Unix forum, I'm still going to recommend OSX.
Oh yeah, its Mac, not MAC.
first, i'm not using MS software and who cares how you spell Mac, this is the linux forum and stop talking about that stupid Mac, its better than windows, but it costs to much for my wallet. And i have college linux installed, but my internet connection failes, so i'm on windows now. I'm browsing with mozilla btw to keep my mind on linux
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laat ik het nu in het nederlands doen.
Ik zou heel graag constant op linux zitten, maar mijn internet verbinding werkt er niet op. Dat linux goede programma's heeft is waar. The Gimp is een perfect alternatief voor het wel zeer dure adobe photoshop an KDE en Gnome worden stilaan ook volwassen. Mac vind ik niet echt een goed alternatief voor windows, simpelweg omdat het zo duur is (dezelfde fout als bij windows) en nog een groter probleem: het is gewoon niet compatibel genoeg.
besluit: linux is het beste alternatief voor windows (vind ik persoonlijk) en ik heb dat al laten tonen door donaties te doen aan geweldige opensource projecten zoals sourceforge.net.
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Originally posted by fireprog:
I want to find a way to run all my microsoft programms on windows (like games).
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Originally posted by fireprog:
Ik zou heel graag constant op linux zitten, maar mijn internet verbinding werkt er niet op.
Welke modem of router gebruik je?
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ik heb nu een motorola modem en ik ben telenet client. maar op mijn red hat linux kon ik perfect op het internet gaan. Alleen is het bij college linux iets moeilijker, als host adress heb ik proxy.telenet.be ingevoerd en als poort 8080, dat is toch standaard bij telenet, en bij linux zou het dus ook moeten werken.
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fireprog: ik heb nu een motorola modem en ik ben telenet client.
Is dat ADSL, ISDN, Kabel of analoog inbellen?
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Het berdrijf Telenet(kabel) ?
(Telenet is verplicht te helpen bij elke internet installatie...)
Welk model van Motorola?
PS: Telenet is niet de beste optie(te duur, te traag, beperkte download en moet mij nog steeds 120 Euro betalen).
;)
[ May 04, 2004: Message edited by: insomnia ]
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ik weet dat telenet echt zuigt, maar niet meer dan adsl vind ik zelf. Het is kabel Refalm.
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dit bericht is eigenlijk alleen voor refalm en insomnia.
Waarom zit iedereen Mac te promoten, ik vind dat Mac echt zuigt, het kost veel en behalve de goede grafische funcies krijg je er niets voor terug. Qua systeem durf ik zelfs te zeggen dat Windows beter is dan Mac.
Linux is nog altijd de minst bekendste maar wel de beste
Nu in 2007 moet ik mijn
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Originally posted by fireprog:
dit bericht is eigenlijk alleen voor refalm en insomnia.
Waarom zit iedereen Mac te promoten, ik vind dat Mac echt zuigt, het kost veel
Linux is nog altijd de minst bekendste maar wel de beste
Het eMac is niet duur, en is een zeer goed alternatiev.
http://store.apple.com/Apple/WebObjects/nlstore.woa/91509/wo/EE5P13Gt18UE29kOunb14YKSHFW/0.0.7.1.0.5.21.1.0.1.0.0.0 .1.0 (http://store.apple.com/Apple/WebObjects/nlstore.woa/91509/wo/EE5P13Gt18UE29kOunb14YKSHFW/0.0.7.1.0.5.21.1.0.1.0.0.0.1.0)
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en behalve de goede grafische funcies krijg je er niets voor terug. Qua systeem durf ik zelfs te zeggen dat Windows beter is dan Mac.
Mac is veel gemaakelijker dan Linux of Windows, en kan veel meer (iPhoto, iMovie, Expose en anderen).
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Linux is nog altijd de minst bekendste maar wel de beste
Je weet niet allen de goede dingen van het Mac, hoe weet je dat Linux beter is?.
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dit bericht is eigenlijk alleen voor refalm en insomnia.
Maar ik kan ook begrijpen. ;)
(Mijn eerste gesprek op nederlands!)
[ May 05, 2004: Message edited by: Laukev7 ]
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English, please... :D
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fireprog: dit bericht is eigenlijk alleen voor refalm en insomnia.
Waarom zit iedereen Mac te promoten, ik vind dat Mac echt zuigt, het kost veel en behalve de goede grafische funcies krijg je er niets voor terug. Qua systeem durf ik zelfs te zeggen dat Windows beter is dan Mac.
Linux is nog altijd de minst bekendste maar wel de beste
Ik heb wel eens met Mac OS 9 gewerkt, en ik vond het een best goed besturingssysteem.
Maar op zich heb je best wel gelijk, een Mac is gewoon te duur voor de modale gebruiker, en het is eigenlijk populairder onder rijke yuppies, bekende Belgen/Nederlanders, kunstenaars, en (duh) Mac-fans.
Linux wordt met de dag merkbaar beter, door het Open Source model aan het systeem zelf en aan de GUI, waarbij Mac OS X alleen Open Source is bij de het systeem zelf. De wensen van de Mac gebruikers ten opzichte van de GUI komen minder snel terecht, waarbij een goed idee snel in Gnome of KDE terecht komt.
Zoals ik al een een vorige post zei, denk ik ook dat Linux, Mac OS X begint in te halen op de desktop, mede door de prijs en het feit dat het steeds gebruiksvriendelijker en beter word.
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Originally posted by Refalm:
Ik heb wel eens met Mac OS 9 gewerkt, en ik vond het een best goed besturingssysteem.
Maar op zich heb je best wel gelijk, een Mac is gewoon te duur voor de modale gebruiker, en het is eigenlijk populairder onder rijke yuppies, bekende Belgen/Nederlanders, kunstenaars, en (duh) Mac-fans.
Linux wordt met de dag merkbaar beter, door het Open Source model aan het systeem zelf en aan de GUI, waarbij Mac OS X alleen Open Source is bij de het systeem zelf. De wensen van de Mac gebruikers ten opzichte van de GUI komen minder snel terecht, waarbij een goed idee snel in Gnome of KDE terecht komt.
Zoals ik al een een vorige post zei, denk ik ook dat Linux, Mac OS X begint in te halen op de desktop, mede door de prijs en het feit dat het steeds gebruiksvriendelijker en beter word.
I have worked with Mac OS 9, and I found it a good system. But you are very right, Macs are simply too expensive for the average user, and it is actual popular with rich yuppies, confessed belgians/Dutch, artists, and (duh) Mac-fans. Linux become with the day noticeably better, by the Open Source model to the system itself and to the GUI, where Mac OS X only Open Source at the system level. The wishes of the Mac users with respect to the GUI arrive less rapidly, where a good idea comes rapidly in Gnome or KDE rightly. As I post already previous said, I think also that Linux, Mac OS starts X on the desktop, by the price and the fact catch up with that it becomes always user-friendly and better.
Not perfect, but hey! (http://tongue.gif)
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Originally posted by fireprog:
Het is kabel
Heb je DHCP ingeschakelt?
(Gebruik netconfig als root.)
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Mac is to expensive Laukev7. did you translate with wordlingo ?
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Originally posted by fireprog:
Mac is to expensive Laukev7. did you translate with wordlingo ?
No, it was my first attempt to string some words together in Dutch. I already know German, and since the words and sentence structures are very similar, I only needed to look up the words I didn't already know / recognised and cross my fingers hoping I would make sense.
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Originally posted by Laukev7:
No, it was my first attempt to string some words together in Dutch. I already know German, and since the words and sentence structures are very similar, I only needed to look up the words I didn't already know / recognised and cross my fingers hoping I would make sense.
(http://graemlins/thumbsup.gif)
I'm impressed. ;)
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Help! I use Slackware Linux (I know, really old), but my friends are way too M$ happy. I've turned 3 to Linux and/or Mac, but the others are too stubborn. They seem convinced that M$ is more stable than everything else, and I need mind-blowing evidence that it suxors to the max (they don't buy the almost complete lack of viruses, better stability, better speed, and um poweruserness that comes with Linux).
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Install a WindowXP theme on your Slackware then let your friend explore around the desktop. If they like it, quietly say this is actually Linux you used.
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just pump 20 newest viruses in their machines, and execute them.. they will come to you crying and asking Slackware Linux CD
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zao: Install a WindowXP theme on your Slackware then let your friend explore around the desktop. If they like it, quietly say this is actually Linux you used.
Or even better, XPde (http://www.xpde.com/). Makes Linux look like Windows XP with a lame Longhorn theme.
It even got clones of Microsoft Calculator, Microsft WordPad, etc.
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why bother? if you really want windows xp, just use it. but when the world stops for a virus, and your linux box is still ticking over, they can go and suck eggs. and when they are all trying to get cracks for their 30 day crippleware, just smile inside because all your software is free and/or open source.
the inner glow this will create will make any ethically aware windoids gravitate towards you naturally.