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All Things Microsoft => Microsoft as a Company => Topic started by: Macman on 4 April 2002, 08:58
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I used to like Internet Explorer, I really did. I thought that perhaps Microsoft had created at least one good product. But alas, I was wrong. I used to have an extremely slow modem, and switching off of AOL and onto IE opened my eyes to a world where you could get kicked off-line without losing your place or where you could switch to Netscape anytime you want. But since I upgraded my computer from a Performa to a G4 I have come to realize that IE is a piece of $h!t. With my new internal modem (sigh... no cable modem yet) I usually get a pretty high dial-up, but with IE my Internet is at times lightning fast and at others maddeningly slow, not depending on the dial-up. My theory is that IE is dumb and doesn't know how to utilize that speed. Now a PC luser would argue this: that it is my G4's fault, not IE's. That's impossible, because I sporadically switch to Netscape, and things are much faster and more reliable there (I'm no big fan of Netscape, but its a heck of a lot better than IE). The PC luser's next argument: "IE is only slow on the Mac version." Also impossible. One, I have used IE on Windows 95 and Windows ME, and let me tell you, the problems were ten times as worse. I'm not even going to go into them. And two, even if it is the Mac version, who still made it? Microsoft, duh! It's still their fault. Yes, unlike most of Microsoft's products, IE does look pretty nice. Bet lets face it: Microsoft only puts out crummy software (and hardware in the X-Box's case) to save money and give off the appearance that they know what they're doing and IE is no exception.
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I hate Netscape and IE. They both are sucky for diffrent reasons.
I have found the best browser in the world and that has to be Mozilla. www.mozilla.org (http://www.mozilla.org)
Has a few bugs here and there (most of these are squashed for the much anticipated 1.0 release), its the best browser I have ever used hands down.
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IE is absolutely the slowest browser I have ever used. Mozilla is what I use most of the time. It is fast, has excellent cut 'n' paste capabilities, looks good, and works well with its E-mail client. Konqueror is just a tad slower, but has good support for printing documents. Galeon is also very good. With Win 95, I use Netscape. Better than IE, and fast, but the fonts leave a lot to be desired. However, it doesn't crash Win 95 like IE does. IE is truly the pits :mad:
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well, these guys are all saying use mozilla, and it's darn tooting, but since yr using a mac, i suggest you get opera as well. it is sweet on a mca. i've tried it on windows, linux and mac, and the mac version laps the other two.
get mozilla as well though.
Don't bother with iCab though, or netscape. Once you have mozilla, you'll never need netscape again.
But i must stress, get opera!
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XP + IE6 + Comcast =
2002-04-04 05:04:31 EST: 980 / 119
Your download speed : 980256 bps, or 980 kbps.
Browsers would show : about a 119.6 KB/sec transfer rate.
Your upload speed : 119047 bps, or 119 kbps.
Nutscrape =
2002-04-04 05:05:43 EST: 900 / 86
Your download speed : 900114 bps, or 900 kbps.
Browsers would show : about a 98.6 KB/sec transfer rate.
Your upload speed : 86276 bps, or 86 kbps.
All above statistics are averages, 3 tests each were run on both browsers.
Also, nutscrape takes 5 seconds to open. IE takes less than 1.
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wow! you've got me convinced!
a bunch of random looking numbers eh?
Im-Pre-Sive.
Notice you compare netscape and iexplore, what about mozilla and opera?
what are the random numbers for them please?
Plus, anybody notice how there are a lot of different factors involved in internet browsing speed?
'phone lines being a good one, the choice of pages viewed being another, whether or not how many graphics are loaded, the list goes on.
Any comparison between browsers approaches a joke due to the lack of a decent control situation by the benchmarker.
Most test situations are done to prove one is better than the other anyway, rather than for true comparison's sake.
Anybody want to post a few random numbers that prove netscape is better?
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I used Opera on my Mac, a nice browser. I found that it didn't load some pages correctly and it's plug-in support was not to hot.
Crt+Alt+Del, what the hell is that crap supposed to prove? Mozilla performs better than both IE and Netscape combined, furthermore, Id rather have a page load corectly and more slowly.
IE is constantly reporting MRJ errors in M$'s bid to destroy sun java.
Try Mozilla, you will never go back.
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well opera has that thing where it can identify as IE, mozilla or opera, which might be worth a try if a page doesn't load up properly (as you'll get customised html from some sites depending on what browser you are)
and also, i've noticed that a lot of IE plugins and Netscape plugins work in Opera if you just drag and drop a duplicate of them into the Opera plugins folder.
totally triffic!
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Wow you ran three tests? It must be true then, even though those "random numbers" are just that
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Internet Explorer:
438579.54672.3245.67.43134.643
Netscape
3902091.14514.14.5.1113241.
There, I've proven that Netscape is faster.
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I tried to install Opera, but it performed an illegal operation each time.
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Originally posted by Ctrl Alt Del 123:
I tried to install Opera, but it performed an illegal operation each time.
Hope you didn't have to hold gown Crt+Alt+Del HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!.....ugh... sorry bout that.
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Konqueror: 1.21 Gigawatts
Galeon: 4.98GB/psec
Lynx: 186,282 miles/second
Mozilla: Next best thing
IE: 0 bps Seems there isn't a version for my OS
Netscape: 12 banner ads/second
But "wget" blows *all* of them away!
[ April 04, 2002: Message edited by: VoidMain ]
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Isn't "wget" a command you type at the promt to access the web or ftp?
im only asking because i want to see if my dabblings into UNIX/Linux/Darwin are paying off (http://smile.gif) .
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wget is really an extremely useful tool. I use it regularly for downloading files either via http or ftp and it works great for recursively sucking web sites down to a local drive. I primarily use it when logged in to a remote server via SSH to download files from web sites to the remote server but I also use it locally for downloading ISO images etc, and because it's command line you can slap it into a script for a cron job etc...
A neat little trick is to have a shell prompt open and your browser. Instead of downloading large files through your browser just "copy link location" by right clicking on the file URL then type "wget " at the shell prompt and paste in the URL and bingo. But there are many many other ways to use it.
[ April 05, 2002: Message edited by: VoidMain ]
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Originally posted by Ctrl Alt Del 123:
I tried to install Opera, but it performed an illegal operation each time.
ring the police.
what OS are you using? as i say i have run it in linux, MacOS and windows with no problems.
My sister had that problem with win98first edition though, so who knows? (who cares?)
if you are using windows, then good luck. i reckon there's a 99 to 1 chance it's yr OS at fault rather than yr browser. of course i'm just making that up as i don't know the circumstances...
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You tried to install something on a windows machine, and it gave you an error screen babbling some nonsense about illegal operations? Well, holy shit. There's a shocker.
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Why is IE available for Solaris/HP-UX? Is it a joke?
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Sorry to say this but I think that IE6 is very fast and renders every page I go to perfectly. Its too bad there are many security issues with it and it doesn't let me block images from certain domains like Galeon does. (or does it?)Plus the interface and buttons on IE look gay. (especially if you are using XP)
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I use a proxy server to block images and advertisements and entire web sites, and tag lines from annoying users (GoosenCherry). Works very well. The ad blocking is automatically updated nightly from a master database on the net and I can add individual sites that I wish to block. "Squid" is the proxy I use. But I guess that really doesn't answer your question about doing it within the browser.
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Originally posted by flap:
Why is IE available for Solaris/HP-UX? Is it a joke?
If you tried to run it on one of those two operating systems you would surely think it was a joke.
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Originally posted by VoidMain:
If you tried to run it on one of those two operating systems you would surely think it was a joke.
Mmmmm have you seen IE 4.0 run in Linux here it is here: http://www.toastytech.com/guis/wine.html (http://www.toastytech.com/guis/wine.html)
I dont know why you'd want to wreck a perfectly good OS, but anyway The dude who wrote this (Nathan Lineback) has his reasons.
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I don't know why you would want to either.. I'm really enjoying the new Konqueror 3.0
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KDE Kon is a good browser, i use mozilla
[ April 06, 2002: Message edited by: X11 ]
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your lucky you have mozilla i have to use crapy aol
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Not to worry, AOL is switching back to Mozilla (well the engine anyway).
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Originally posted by VoidMain:
I use a proxy server to block images and advertisements and entire web sites, and tag lines from annoying users (GoosenCherry). Works very well. The ad blocking is automatically updated nightly from a master database on the net and I can add individual sites that I wish to block. "Squid" is the proxy I use. But I guess that really doesn't answer your question about doing it within the browser.
Opera will allow you to refuse pop-up windows from within the browser (both Win and Linux versions). I don't think you can block images from certain domains, but you can choose not to display any images, or only cached images. Not quite what you are after, but you can do it easily in a couple of mouse clicks.
Also AOLs problem is not the browser, but the proprietary (sp) software they use to connect you. I noticed a distinct slowing down when I changed from Freeserve to AOL, using both IE and Opera. (I have a cable modem now, so everything is fast (http://smile.gif) )
Druid
[ April 07, 2002: Message edited by: Druid ]
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Yes but I have many machines and several accounts on each machine. A proxy server "can" block specific sites and it does it automatically for all machines and all accounts. Much easier than doing it at the browser level. I don't get any tagline images because I've blocked all the sites that they come from, no matter what browser I choose to use. I can't imagine ever using Opera, unless they release it as open source.
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:confused:
hello
i was wondering what browser is the best allround. to use with the least hassels.?
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Originally posted by leon:
your lucky you have mozilla i have to use crapy aol
I am sending sympathy to you with my mind.
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Originally posted by borgdrone1of2:
:confused:
hello
i was wondering what browser is the best allround. to use with the least hassels.?
Netscape 6.2 (http://www.netscape.com)
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Speaking of AOL: IE is a awesome compared to AOL. I have alot of friends who use the shitty ISP and are forced to use the even shittier browser. IE sucks, Netscape sucks ass, and AOL sucks [well you know]. The only reason I use IE is because it's intergrated with Windoze which makes it a bit more convenient. The reason I'm stuck with Windoze is because the computer belongs to my parents who don't know anything else exists. I'm upgrading my old PC and switching to Linux. I hate it when MS WIN spies on me!
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Originally posted by borgdrone1of2:
:confused:
hello
i was wondering what browser is the best allround. to use with the least hassels.?
this question gets asked a lot, and i always say 'use opera".
You should get mozilla or it's incestuous cousin netscape too, but since so many people say mozilla or netscape when this browser argument is raised, it's hardly worth me saying that. i should just say 'use opera' and leave it at that.
PS, nice handle by the way!
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Originally posted by grif_mcrenolds:
Speaking of AOL: IE is a awesome compared to AOL. I have alot of friends who use the shitty ISP and are forced to use the even shittier browser. IE sucks, Netscape sucks ass, and AOL sucks [well you know]. The only reason I use IE is because it's intergrated with Windoze which makes it a bit more convenient. The reason I'm stuck with Windoze is because the computer belongs to my parents who don't know anything else exists. I'm upgrading my old PC and switching to Linux. I hate it when MS WIN spies on me!
Why dont you use Netscape with Quick Launch
And the NEW NETSCAPE LOOKS BETTER (http://x11.150m.com/taste.html) And i hope you get good fun out of Linux.
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can any one help me? when ever i try to click on a link to go anywhere on aol (the only i have and able to get)a blank web page comes up and it wont let me get to the web page no matter how many times i try.
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Your name wouldn't happen to be Leon would it?
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my real name isnt, but my account name is.
why?
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Originally posted by leon:
my real name isnt, but my account name is.
why?
I just thought you looked familiar. You look a lot like Leon.
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how do you know what i look like? or are you just basing it on how i talk in my forums
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Sorry leon, I was just messing with you. The user name just struck me as odd and I was bored. So yer stuck with AOL huh?
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ya, we might be getting rid of it soon, but thats up to my parents.
we have netscape, but at the moment it wont let us enter it for some reason or another.
would you know why when i try to click on links to go almost anywhere a blank page comes up and no matter how many times i try it wont let me access it. its quite annoying exespecially for this site.
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dont worry about it when you were messing with me (voidman.)i wasnt accusing you of anything, i was just wondering
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Originally posted by leon:
we have netscape, but at the moment it wont let us enter it for some reason or another.
would you know why when i try to click on links to go almost anywhere a blank page comes up and no matter how many times i try it wont let me access it. its quite annoying exespecially for this site.
Well, without more details of the problem it's a little difficult to tell. Are you referring to Netscape coming up with a blank page when you try to connect? And are you dialed up to AOL at the time? You get no error messages? In what application are you clicking on links? And in what application does the blank page come up? And have you tried calling AOL support and asking them? I mean they own Netscape, and provide free AOL support, they should at least be able to give you a little help. If you do decide to get rid of AOL, I hope you don't move to MSN as the replacement. You'll then have to insert your credit card if you want help.
[ April 09, 2002: Message edited by: VoidMain ]
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i click on links using aol and the blank page comes up in aol. usally when the blank page comes up the a message from internet explorer saying error in script and then the blank page.
but i in a hurry right now. so i will tell you the rest later
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i have a cable modem, but i have to use aol right now until my parents get their stuff off of it.
when i use netscape it stops at the opening page, where it sais netscape 6.2
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Internet Explorer is evil
HTTP://TOASTYTECH.COM/EVIL (http://HTTP://TOASTYTECH.COM/EVIL)
EVIL!!!
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quote:
Originally posted by Ctrl Alt Del 123:
XP + IE6 + Comcast =
2002-04-04 05:04:31 EST: 980 / 119
Your download speed : 980256 bps, or 980 kbps.
Browsers would show : about a 119.6 KB/sec transfer rate.
Your upload speed : 119047 bps, or 119 kbps.
Nutscrape =
2002-04-04 05:05:43 EST: 900 / 86
Your download speed : 900114 bps, or 900 kbps.
Browsers would show : about a 98.6 KB/sec transfer rate.
Your upload speed : 86276 bps, or 86 kbps.
All above statistics are averages, 3 tests each were run on both browsers.
Also, nutscrape takes 5 seconds to open. IE takes less than 1.
You appear to be smokeing something...
But windows XP prbably has the priority for netscape set lower than IE. Press ALT-CTRL-DEL. GOto taskman. then click proc's and rasie the priority of Netscape. And you most likely whernt using Quick Launch. And if Internet Explorer Crashes Explorer crashes... Then your system fucks up.
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X11, I use IE because it works for ME, I'm not smoking anything. IE just plain old works and has only crashed once due to a bad printer driver. Also, that beloved Netscape of yours is considered spyware. Don't belive me? http://www.tom-cat.com/cgi-bin/spybase/spybase.cgi?db=spybase&uid=default&sb=4&so=ascend&view_records=1&status=---&offender=---&name=Netscape&mh=10&keyword=&bool=and&view_records=Submit (http://www.tom-cat.com/cgi-bin/spybase/spybase.cgi?db=spybase&uid=default&sb=4&so=ascend&view_records=1&status=---&offender=---&name=Netscape&mh=10&keyword=&bool=and&view_records=Submit)
I've always hated nutscrape, I first used it back at version 4.1 something and I've hated ever since. IE 5 sucked too, 5.5 was no different, 6 looks the same, adds a few features, but WORKS.
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Netscape 6.2 and possibly earlier version ALSO have Brillant Digital Software secretly install aswell, and that software is VERY BAD, here is the software installing with Kazaa, http://news.com.com/2100-1023-873181.html (http://news.com.com/2100-1023-873181.html)
This is bad.
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quote:
Originally posted by Ctrl Alt Del 123:
X11, I use IE because it works for ME, I'm not smoking anything. IE just plain old works and has only crashed once due to a bad printer driver. Also, that beloved Netscape of yours is considered spyware. Don't belive me? http://www.tom-cat.com/cgi-bin/spybase/spybase.cg i?db=spybase&uid=default&sb=4&so=ascend&view_records=1&status=---&offender=---&name=Netscape&mh=10&keyword=&bool=and&view_records=Submit (http://www.tom-cat.com/cgi-bin/spybase/spybase.cgi?db=spybase&uid=default&sb=4&so=ascend&view_records=1&status=---&offender=---&name=Netscape&mh=10&keyword=&bool=and&view_records=Submit)
I've always hated nutscrape, I first used it back at version 4.1 something and I've hated ever since. IE 5 sucked too, 5.5 was no different, 6 looks the same, adds a few features, but WORKS.
Yes but at least a bunch of faggets arnt getting
my information. But yes early version of netscape stink compared to modern IE versions. You are an idioit your compareing old netscape to new IE.
Its like compareing a ford escort with a ford focus.
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Mozilla is the best browser for windows.
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Originally posted by Ctrl Alt Del 123:
Also, nutscrape takes 5 seconds to open. IE takes less than 1.[/QB]
Thats because IE is essentially loaded when you boot up. Those four seconds didn't come from nowhere. In fact, the forced integration of the browser likely makes your boot much more than four seconds longer.
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Are you people not hearing me!!!
If you turn on Quick Launch Netscape will be loaded at Startup you bunch of idiots!!! LISTEN TO ME.
Internet Explorer is nicely Integrated into Windows.
Look at your desktop, that is an open copy of IE, look at your "My Computer" Also nicely integrated.
Even your recycle bin is.
Now go see how long IE 5.0 takes in Windows 3.1 Comapred to Netscape without quicklaunch (http://smile.gif)
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Originally posted by M. O'Brien:
Thats because IE is essentially loaded when you boot up. Those four seconds didn't come from nowhere. In fact, the forced integration of the browser likely makes your boot much more than four seconds longer.
I reduced my boot time from 2 minutes down to 34 seconds by installing 98Lite and clean installing without any of the MS HTML engine and other misc. utilities (eg. MS Task Scheduler <-Urrrgh!).
Browser choice is such a heated issue. For me it mainly comes down to features. MSIE is so featureless. Opera is pretty good for features and definately excels erganomically, but Mozilla seems to be the king of functionality. I use Opera because it is so nippy and erganomic.
Opera shows pages more correctly than MSIE 6. This is a highly debated statement but I am almost entirely sure it is true. I am led to believe that when Opera doesn't show pages correctly it is because the markup is syntactically incorrect. I have no evidence to back this up, however if a page comes up wierd in Opera get w3c.org to validate the source; I expect it will turn out bad.
People ocassionally just design pages for MSIE, and often use code that only renders properly in MSIE, or worse, they use MSIE specific tags.
I don't use MSIE because I believe the Internet should not be run by companies, and certainly not by a single corporation (with dubious business practices).
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4.1 and 6.2 are now BOTH installed on my mom's computer at work, due to Communicator not having a feature that 4.1 has. And to fairly compare browsers, I used 6.2 to see what it was all about.
6.2 was nothing special. I don't see anything that great about it. 4.1 works BETTER than 6.2 really on that computer.
Back onto my main machine (XP), now that I have GoBack, I downloaded and installed Netscape 6.2. Ran defrag and restarted because "You must restart in order to use Netscape 6.2". Again, I was not that impressed to say "OH MY GOD, THIS ROCKS", it's just another browser, works good, doesn't crash, not bad. Netscape isn't so bad.
However... Netscape, without my choice, took over MY computer. It became the default program for HTML files, and now when I type "search stuff" in the toolbar in IE, I doesn't use google anymore, it uses Netscape Search!
This is BULL. I then went into GoBack and there it was, It DOES install the BDE player. Right then, I reverted my HD before it was infected with that crap. I don't want BDE on MY computer, no distributed advertising for me!
I suggest all you Netscape users to realize this BIG mistake, and go to brillantdigital.com and download the bdecleaner.exe to remove that shit.
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But netscape still looks better!!!
CLICK HERE AND SEE (http://x11.150m.com/taste.html)
And so does XIMIAN GNOME 1.4
CLICK HERE AND SEE!!! (http://x11.150m.com/gui.html)
But the best looking are HERE (http://www.geocities.com/bongrat_au)
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quote:
Originally posted by X11:
But netscape still looks better!!!
CLICK HERE AND SEE (http://x11.150m.com/taste.html)
And so does XIMIAN GNOME 1.4
CLICK HERE AND SEE!!! (http://x11.150m.com/gui.html)
But the best looking are HERE (http://www.geocities.com/bongrat_au)
check out my screenshots http://www.angelfire.com/ri2/42/images/ (http://www.angelfire.com/ri2/42/images/)
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Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...
KDE 3.0 Looks good.
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Originally posted by X11:
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...
KDE 3.0 Looks good.
Ya I hear it's nice. I was running 2.2.2 on my linux partition.
How about some screens ?
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Originally posted by Master of Reality:
check out my screenshots http://www.angelfire.com/ri2/42/images/ (http://www.angelfire.com/ri2/42/images/)
Hey Jason... I almost posted some screen shots and then I realized my name was plastered all over my shells. Might want to think about that, but then maybe you don't care. I like that new background. Where did you get it?
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On my windows desktop it has my name in the address
bar. But i decided to cover it with Gimp :^)
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Originally posted by Ctrl Alt Del 123:
Netscape 6.2 and possibly earlier version ALSO have Brillant Digital Software secretly install aswell, and that software is VERY BAD, here is the software installing with Kazaa, http://news.com.com/2100-1023-873181.html (http://news.com.com/2100-1023-873181.html)
This is bad.
You might want to check the date at the top of that article you linked to (http://smile.gif)
Druid
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Hmmm... are you sure it's an April fools joke? It links to other related articles written before and after April 1st.
Heck now I'm confused...
Either way, use Mozilla, it's basically what Netscape 6 should have been, and it's guaranteed to be a 100% spyware free.
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Originally posted by psyjax:
Hmmm... are you sure it's an April fools joke? It links to other related articles written before and after April 1st.
Heck now I'm confused...
Either way, use Mozilla, it's basically what Netscape 6 should have been, and it's guaranteed to be a 100% spyware free.
Mmmmm i've just installed it
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Browser choice is such a heated issue. For me it mainly comes down to features. MSIE is so featureless. Opera is pretty good for features and definately excels erganomically, but Mozilla seems to be the king of functionality. I use Opera because it is so nippy and erganomic.
MxCl, i agree totally. I recommend you try lynx as well, it cuts out all the pictures, so you get an ultra fast web experience, more extreme than opera.
You're still running windows though, eh? not sure how lynx is on windows, i like it for linux, and also for mac, but the mac version ain't as good as the linux version. Maybe it's pants for windows too? well it's small and it's free, try it out, and see how you like it.
and CtrlAltDel123, why doesn't yr mum use mozilla at work instead of those huge netscapes? or is she using all the emailing and diary stuff as well? mozilla just seems much better than netscape to me!
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I love lynx, but i just disable images in Arachne (http://www.arachne.cz) for fast surfing, Arachne is faster than Opera and runs on the fastest Operating System "DOS"
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Originally posted by Ctrl Alt Del 123:
However... Netscape, without my choice, took over MY computer.
I'd like to see a program do that without a programmer that has both kernel code and his own software code. Internet Explorer has already taken over you computer, before you installed it.
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It became the default program for HTML files, and now when I type "search stuff" in the toolbar in IE, I doesn't use google anymore, it uses Netscape Search!
:D
I can see it in front of me, how netscape search ruins your day because it has taken over the IE search thingy. But, how funny this might be, i agree with you, netscape shouln't just take shit over like IE. But, if you want netscape not to be your default HTML browser, you shoud've said in the netscape setup, or adjust that in you preferences. Look further than your nose is tall.
[ April 17, 2002: Message edited by: -=f00bar=- ]
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I just got IE running in wine, without windows (http://smile.gif)
IE 3.0 for Win 3.1
I cant get it to use Linux TCP/IP, can anyone help there :confused:
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Druid, I HAVE Kazaa and IT DOES install the BDE player. The atricle is true, and yes, the software does do that. Ignore the date.
Calum, my mom has to use whatever her boss will let her use. My moms boss is VERY computer illiterate.
-=f00bar=-, I by MY choice installed Nutscrape, therefore it should atleast ask me if I want it to take over my PC. With IE I have no choice.
Also, during the setup of Nutscrape, there was no custom install, unless I was to download the full installer, which I learned later.
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Originally posted by Calum:
MxCl, i agree totally. I recommend you try lynx as well, it cuts out all the pictures, so you get an ultra fast web experience, more extreme than opera.
You're still running windows though, eh? not sure how lynx is on windows
Lynx is on Windows and dos try
THIS LINK (http://www.fdisk.com/doslynx) But i reccomend that everyone on earth uses Linux
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Originally posted by Calum:
You're still running windows though, eh?
Yeah, but not for long. I've been itching to try the alternatives for a while. Got my exams to worry about first and then I think I'm going Suse. I love trying out new software, I'm not sure why it's taken me so long to switch OS.
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MxCl,
yep, but i would recommend dual booting, unless yr short on disk space, and even then, maybe you'd consider dual booting with maybe a win95 or something. You never know when you'll have problems in yr new OS with something you could usually do in yr old one. This problem rears it's ugly head most often when using proprietary software in laptops though!!! :mad:
I found out about a website where you can go and look at an online catalogue of stuff they have downloaded with their broadband connection, then you order what you want, they burn you the CDs, and you send them cost price (usually a couple of quid per CD et c.) They are in England, which suits, and they have all the latest linux distros, and BSD and i think a whole bunch of free applications too. I didn't post the link before because so many of these people won't have
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Originally posted by X11:
But netscape still looks better!!!
CLICK HERE AND SEE (http://x11.150m.com/taste.html)
And so does XIMIAN GNOME 1.4
CLICK HERE AND SEE!!! (http://x11.150m.com/gui.html)
But the best looking are HERE (http://www.geocities.com/bongrat_au)
i think mozilla looks better!
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Originally posted by Calum:
I would recommend dual booting, unless yr short on disk space, and even then, maybe you'd consider dual booting with maybe a win95 or something.
Yeah, I plan on keeping a 98Lite 98SE on there, probably, and mainly so I can play all those DirectX games (I couldn't live without Diablo II ;) ).
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I found out about a website where you can go and look at an online catalogue of stuff they have downloaded with their broadband connection, then you order what you want, they burn you the CDs, and you send them cost price.[snip] I'll dig it out and post it in a new topic for people.....
Great! That would be a fantastic link, thanks.
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Good luck with the exams!
Cheers. Hopefully they'll go fine, I just don't want a new OS to play with when I should be revising, so I'll treat myself to it after. (http://smile.gif)
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Originally posted by Master of Reality:
i think mozilla looks better!
Good then
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red hat installs in about 5 minutes
hmm and winblows takes more than a half hour
how's that for a random number comparison?!
as for features and functionality, i like to keep all of the options available --that is to say i use red hat, mandrake, win98, win2000, ie, mozilla, netscape, opera....... you get the idea... this way you are never stuck without the ability to do something.
the exception: never use spyware... disable all of your ie marketing exploitations and just don't use it unless you absolutely have to (http://tongue.gif)
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Yes and red-hat has so much more.
Soulution: Use Red-Hat
(http://www.redhat.com/img/homepg_rh_logo.gif)
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I just like to say that I also like Mozilla Best, even much better than I.E. - Opera no no no to many sites can not display correctly, to me that is shit, that they can not follow the standard of Mozilla - Netscape 6.2 & I.E. that is BAD.
Here we are using mixed Red Hat 7.2 and Mandrake 8.1
with OpenOffice641 - Great ! No complaints..
In our company it is a bad word to mention Windoze or Big Gates.
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Wow! Are you realy from China?
Maybe I'll move there and work for your company considering their particular outlook on things :D
Welcome to the forum!
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i have had problems with konqueror 3, the buttons dont show up for some websites, such as on this site the "add reply" button and "edit post" buttons dont seem to be there (the button at which is below where i am writing right now)
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otto, are you the same awtoc i see in the linuxquestions.org forums?
if so, then a double welcome! and welcome anyway of course! :D
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Originally posted by Master of Reality:
i have had problems with konqueror 3, the buttons dont show up for some websites, such as on this site the "add reply" button and "edit post" buttons dont seem to be there (the button at which is below where i am writing right now)
Huh? I've never seen this problem with Konq 2 or 3 which is all I have used for the last year. There are rare occasions that I need to pull out old mozilla but very rare after going to Konq 3.