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Operating Systems => Linux and UNIX => Topic started by: kshuff on 9 November 2002, 07:43
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Just wondering, new here and all I see is this linux crap. Guess it's better than windoze.
-ks
Posted from Silicon Graphics R10k Indigo2 High Impact
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I'm getting a low-end sparc, does that count?
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Our graphics processing requirements are not very hardware intensive (see our Gimp competition) therefore all we use is what we got....
....crappy hardware, and crappy OS /*sarcasm*/
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I cant think of anyone who uses "true" Unix. BSD is a variant, as is HP-UX, Solaris, and Linux. I believe AT&T owns the rights to Unix. Here is a pic of an old Unix pc.
http://unixpc.taronga.com/ (http://unixpc.taronga.com/)
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I have used Irix on SGI. But I have much more extensive experience with Solaris, AIX, HP-UX, and SCO. I prefer Linux where possible because it is open, it runs on lots of hardware, and it's just as good or better than any of the other "UNIX (tm) based systems" for the majority of my needs.
And "The Open Group" is the trademark holder of UNIX. BSD and ATT UNIX is actually not on their certified list believe it or not.
[ November 08, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]
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Originally posted by Ex Eleven / b0b 2.1:
So who has the actual UNIX source?
That's not the appropriate question. All of the UNIX based operating systems on "The Open Group" certified list all are developed by each company. Many of the UNIX based OSs were derived from the original ATT UNIX, but I am pretty sure none of the original code would be used today. You need to think of UNIX as a set of standards, not as an operating system. Several operating systems have adhered to those standards and got certified which means they can call their OS a "UNIX based operating system". Now if someone were to put forth the effort (and money) they could probably get a Linux distro certified, but why?
Certification:
http://www.opengroup.org/certification/ (http://www.opengroup.org/certification/)
[ November 09, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]
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Void man is right, however AT&T did used to own the unix name, but they sold it to Novell, who then sold it to X/Open Group.
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I ran Solaris 8 for a little while before I started using SuSE Linux. I didn't take to it to well. Hard to configure, limited hardware support, and Sun provided no support for x86 machines.
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Originally posted by Dr. Preacher Ph D.:
Void man is right, however AT&T did used to own the unix name, but they sold it to Novell, who then sold it to X/Open Group.
And I happen to have a lot of experience with ATT UNIX before and after the name was sold to Novell and to TOG. It's funny ATT UNIX doesn't appear on the list. I guess because they sold it they no longer have the right to use the name. But as I've said before, even though I am legally wrong I consider them all to be UNIX, even Linux.
I also noticed that only specific versions of the vendor OSs are certified as UNIX. For instance, only v6.5 of SGI IRIX running on SGI MIPS R4000, R5000, R8000, and R10000 family of processors are certified. I guess that means any other version of IRIX on any other processor can not be considered a "UNIX based operating system".
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Originally posted by ThePreacher:
I cant think of anyone who uses "true" Unix. BSD is a variant, as is HP-UX, Solaris, and Linux. I believe AT&T owns the rights to Unix. Here is a pic of an old Unix pc.
http://unixpc.taronga.com/ (http://unixpc.taronga.com/)
eg fucking zactly.
there's no such thing as unix if linux is not it, if SunOS is not it and if FreeBSD is not it.
All users of unix got the code too, and were required to change it to get it to run on their machines. Those changes (such as were made by Berkeley, and later by Sun et c) of course mean that BSDs and Sun OSs are not unix, so therefore nothing is unix. not even unix, which was never comercially released, so how could anybody here be using it? i personally don't have a PDP10 kicking about to run it on anyway.
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Wow, was not my intention to create such a stir, just expressing my opinion. I've tried linux in the past and was not very impressed. Sorry if it offends anyone. I don't profess to know all the in's and out's as I don't do this for a living, I'm only a hobbyist. I do have experience on many unix flavors and found IRIX to be about the easiest to work with, at least for me. I started out with an old DEC PDP running 6th Edition, migrated to a VAX and MicroVAX, then the DECstation and VAXstations, all running Ultrix, but I did play around with RSTS/E and RSX a bit on the PDP's. Experimented a little with NetBSD on the DEC hardware, then migrated to the SGI's and IRIX. Currently have six systems in the collection along with two SUN SparcStation 5's running Solaris 8 at the moment. Pic's available upon request (http://smile.gif)
On a side note, I have two IBM systems available that I will probably never use and would like to get out of the basement due to space considerations. They are and IBM System/36 Baby and an AS/400 Advanced 9402/3xx. Both work fine, no problems, just don't have the time to do anything with them. The System/36 I have all the original documentation, manuals, and software for, the AS/400 has only what's on the disks. If anyone's interested, drop me a line by email. I'd hate for these to end up in a dumpster.
-ks
Posted from Silicon Graphics R10k Indigo2 High Impact
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"my work" (just the company i am on the payroll of.. i dont actually work) runs SCO OpenServer with TOMACS on it. I havent actually just gotten to use the SCO Openserver, just TOMACS, but they are changing to an OS specifically built for their business.
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I am running on an Amstrad 128k. The screen is green, i took out Locomotive Basic and am running on pure Unix.
Either that, or i just had the best doobie in my life.
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Hey, I saw a commodore 128 for $7.00, can I install real Unix on that? Will that count as real hardware?
*meow*
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yes you can... and yes it will.
Lunix is what the OS for the commodore is called. search google for it.
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There is also TinyX. Its a trimed down version of X11.
web pagehttp://www.handhelds.org (http://www.handhelds.org)
http://www.rule-project.org (http://www.rule-project.org)
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ummm, hello, bsd on a k6-III is real unix on real hardware. i can see the soure to bsd and touch the system/*not a good idea though*/ unlike windows, were i can "touch" the bsd or linux based system, i can only see windows in action, not "touch" it or anything, makes you think that you are hallucinating when using windows too much, its like there, buts its really not
[ November 10, 2002: Message edited by: choasforages ]
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chaosforages, just because you get source code doesn't mean it's unix. the majority of available systems allow you to have at least some of the source code. BSD is not real unix, as it was not developed by american telegraph and telephone company. And real hardware would be anything you could get that unix to run on, but since you'd probably have to change the code and recompile in order to get it to run, maybe it would no longer be unix. i agree with void main. unix is unix, and it isn't as well.
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Originally posted by -ks:
Wow, was not my intention to create such a stir, just expressing my opinion. I've tried linux in the past and was not very impressed. Sorry if it offends anyone. I don't profess to know all the in's and out's as I don't do this for a living, I'm only a hobbyist. I do have experience on many unix flavors and found IRIX to be about the easiest to work with, at least for me. I started out with an old DEC PDP running 6th Edition, migrated to a VAX and MicroVAX, then the DECstation and VAXstations, all running Ultrix, but I did play around with RSTS/E and RSX a bit on the PDP's. Experimented a little with NetBSD on the DEC hardware, then migrated to the SGI's and IRIX. Currently have six systems in the collection along with two SUN SparcStation 5's running Solaris 8 at the moment. Pic's available upon request (http://smile.gif)
On a side note, I have two IBM systems available that I will probably never use and would like to get out of the basement due to space considerations. They are and IBM System/36 Baby and an AS/400 Advanced 9402/3xx. Both work fine, no problems, just don't have the time to do anything with them. The System/36 I have all the original documentation, manuals, and software for, the AS/400 has only what's on the disks. If anyone's interested, drop me a line by email. I'd hate for these to end up in a dumpster.
-ks
Posted from Silicon Graphics R10k Indigo2 High Impact
That's an impressive lot of stuff you've got to use! i have very little experience of different systems and machines! maybe you don't like linux so much because of it's continuous work-in-progressness. It is something that sometimes irks me a bit too, that everything is always version 0.8.5beta and so on. very little projects want to claim they are ever finished. Still, this is a *good* thing. Open source linux projects are usually *nix/Xwindows projects which mean that any *nix system with X installed can run them. really, for most users, i can't see that there'd be much difference between SunOS running X, Solaris running X, Red Hat running X, Mandrake running X, BSD running X and so on. All the differences of course are in the administration, and even that is very similar from unix to unix, considering how different they really are!
As you say, it's just opinions, and i would love to have more experience of other systems so i could fill out my own opinion.
As for those two machines, what OSs can they run? DOS and CP/M? I haven't got a clue about either machine i am afraid. Not sure i would be able to take delivery all the way from Earth either...
PS and as for pictures, please do post them in the Shameless screenshots thread (http://forum.fuckmicrosoft.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=7&t=000285&p=8), i'd love to see them. There is a thread somewhere where people were posting pictures of their computer setup but i can't find it now, i thought it was in the lounge section... i might start a new one, unless somebody else does first...
[ November 12, 2002: Message edited by: [calum@localhost]$ ]
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That's an impressive lot of stuff you've got to use! i have very little experience of different systems and machines! maybe you don't like linux so much because of it's continuous work-in-progressness. It is something that sometimes irks me a bit too, that everything is always version 0.8.5beta and so on. very little projects want to claim they are ever finished. Still, this is a *good* thing. Open source linux projects are usually *nix/Xwindows projects which mean that any *nix system with X installed can run them. really, for most users, i can't see that there'd be much difference between SunOS running X, Solaris running X, Red Hat running X, Mandrake running X, BSD running X and so on. All the differences of course are in the administration, and even that is very similar from unix to unix, considering how different they really are!
As you say, it's just opinions, and i would love to have more experience of other systems so i could fill out my own opinion.
As for those two machines, what OSs can they run? DOS and CP/M? I haven't got a clue about either machine i am afraid. Not sure i would be able to take delivery all the way from Earth either...
PS and as for pictures, please do post them in the Shameless screenshots thread (http://forum.fuckmicrosoft.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=7&t=000285&p=8), i'd love to see them. There is a thread somewhere where people were posting pictures of their computer setup but i can't find it now, i thought it was in the lounge section... i might start a new one, unless somebody else does first...
Thanks, if I ever get around to updating my homepage I'll have a section there, but will try to get some stuff on the thread in the mean time
-ks
Posted from Silicon Graphics 320 Visual Workstation