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All Things Microsoft => Microsoft as a Company => Topic started by: Refalm on 30 March 2003, 04:17
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This news is indirectly connected to Microsoft. However, it's important enough to place here:
The Inquirer: Firewalls set to become illegal in many American states (http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=8595).
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Arron Rouse: (...) the various states bills all require the banning the use of any technology that conceals "the existence or place of origin or destination of any communication." It doesn't take much to think that firewalls, routers, network address translators and many other pieces of standard kit all do exactly that. Unless the bills are radically changed, the Internet could effectively become useless in those states.
Freedom to tinker: Use a firewall, go to jail (http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/archives/000336.html).
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Edward W. Felten: Both bills would flatly ban the possession, sale, or use of technologies that "conceal from a communication service provider ... the existence or place of origin or destination of any communication". Your ISP is a communication service provider, so anything that concealed the origin or destination of any communication from your ISP would be illegal -- with no exceptions.
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Edward W. Felten: Most operating system products (...) would also apparently be banned, because they support connection sharing via NAT.
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Edward W. Felten: Similar bills are on the table in South Carolina, Florida, Georgia, Alaska, Tennessee, and Colorado.
Comment: Let's hope that these lawmakers put there heads out of their arses and actually start to listen to people who actually know what a modern computer does.
[ March 29, 2003: Message edited by: Refalm ]
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I'm moving to another country :(
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i'm moving to another country too. this laws are becoming very pathetic, what is going to be next ? you can't fart because is going to damage the air.
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Maybe I'm wrong.. but to me it sounds like they are trying to eliminate IP spoofing, not firewalls.
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North Pole, here I come!
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when and if this happens. im going offline permanatley.
since this would outlaw every os out right now and cost mil\lions to bussiness to convert to new os's and put every dsl company out of business , i dont think it will happen.
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Now I know that I don't live in the states but something like this will have all the big companies like Nokia, Samsung, Motorola and Sun Microsystems up in Florida sh**ing in their pants. Where's the security? Looks like theirs gonna be a hacker free for all soon!
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Sounds like proxies will also become a thing of the past. Congress should pass a law banning any state/local government from passing laws that impede on the free and unrestricted use of telecommunications technology.
That way the US wouldn't try to restrict the use of encryption, as many countries already do. They can lift the laws against wire tapping. And they can stop trying to turn the Internet into something that they can more easily control, because we all know that is their ultimate goal: to have a tap on everyone while they go unchecked.
I'll bet you anything those laws don't apply to them!
I'm going to write my congressman now. I hope you all do the same.
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http://forum.fuckmicrosoft.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=7&t=001265 (http://forum.fuckmicrosoft.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=7&t=001265)
[ March 31, 2003: Message edited by: Engineer ]
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isn't it illegal to pass such restrictive laws?
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You realize that this really eliminates the number of available IP addresses, and on top of that compromises the nations security.
IP costs are going to be raised.
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Anybody notice that when that person earlier said every OS would be illegal, that includes even Windows?
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This is complete BS. The lawmakers who don't understand technology are being blinded by science. What a piece of nonsense, I really despair at the US.
What about the telephone ? You don't identify yourself when calling someone. Caller ID only works if 1. You subscribe to it, 2. If the c**t on the other end doesn't have caller id blocking. This is a crock.
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there's 1 way to fix it. setup a coalition of hackers to make 1 huge attack at the lawmakers lol.
usualy falling victim to hackers will make them think twice about making firewalls illegal.
there's also this article here
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,1033071,00.asp (http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,1033071,00.asp)
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As of this moment, the security level of the Internet has taken a big hit. And it's not because of a new worm or some nefarious hacker collective; it's because of a set of badly conceived laws that have been passed by several states.
These measures, referred to as Super DMCA laws (see Freedom-to-Tinker's Super DMCA page) are badly designed laws promoted by the Motion Picture Association of America. Super DMCA legislation has already been passed in Colorado, Delaware, Illinois, Michigan, Oregon, Pennsylvania and Wyoming.
Now Super DMCA has claimed one of its first victims, the award-winning open-source application LaBrea, which is designed to stop the spread of worms such as Nimda across the Internet. Tom Liston, the developer of LaBrea, has stopped distribution of the program for fear of prosecution under the Illinois version of this law.
Why would a program that stops harmful worms from spreading run afoul of a law that is on the surface intended to stop cable theft? Because, like the less-damaging federal DMCA law, Super DMCA is overly broad and lacks common sense (see Peter Coffee's column on these laws).
One of the common aspects of these laws is that they make illegal any device or program that can "conceal or to assist another to conceal from any communication service provider or from any lawful authority the existence or place of origin or destination of any communication." Aside from LaBrea, this makes a whole set of common IT programs and hardware illegal, from firewalls to VPNs to privacy applications.
So if you live in one of these states, you are now breaking the law if you run a firewall. And if you're an IT admin that has all of your internal systems running on NAT, you could face as much as five years in prison and up to a quarter-million-dollar fine.
Tom Liston's LaBrea, which I named the most useful application of 2001 and which was also a finalist in eWEEK and PC Magazine's 2002 I3 Awards, clearly violates the letter if not the spirit of these laws.
Some would say that Liston probably wouldn't face any legal action, but under the federal DMCA, several companies and individuals have faced legal consequences for actions that had nothing to do with the original intent of the law. Russian programmer Dmitry Sklyarov was even jailed for a time under the DMCA.
this could also mean no more computers in schools or libraries. without a proxy or router to separate 1 IP into hundreds, each school would have to subscribe several hundred times to the internet company and the bill would be too high for any school to possibly afford.
good bye education system :rolleyes:
[ May 06, 2003: Message edited by: ShawnD1 ]
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According to US lawmakers the only bad law is the law you can't charge anyone with. :D
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Thank God I don't live in the States.
What are the trying to do live un open door for every hacker to get inside every PC and every server that is online in USA.
If nobody uses firewall i believe the number of hackers will be soon increased(tripled) because it will be much easier and nobody using a PC will be safe.
Our only hope that home users decide that linux and Mac are the best choices for safe web exploring although it will be easier than it is now to hack both.
The security is everythink we should stop them form their Spy techniques.
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How will they know if someone is using a firewall anyway?
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heh i can see it now people being arrested for smuggleing in firewall cds........
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The news about the bills was brought to our attention by Edward Felten, more famous for having a go at a different Bill. The states in question are Texas, Massachusetts, South Carolina, Florida, Georgia, Alaska, Tennessee and Colorado. The proposed legislation is intended to extend the much loathed Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA).
That's OK by me, as I don't live in any of those states. And when they pass these extremely dumb-assed laws, and their entire IT industries move out, perhaps, some may choose to relocate to my home state. Make it a helluva lot more convenient for me as I wouldn't have to move out of state for one of those jobs. (http://tongue.gif)
On the down side, when their economies completely collapse, they will need more Federal assistance from my tax dollars. :mad: :mad: :mad:
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[ May 06, 2003: Message edited by: jtpenrod ]
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Sucks to live in texas :( .
Anyways, what is the effect on thin clients? Say a set of thin X-terminals off of a linux server? Would those be counted as a computer? Maybe they should make gaming thin clients for this purpose. GeforceFXs with 4gb ramdrives :D . I can dream, can't I?
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Thank god I live in Minnesota!
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This would make remailers illegal too. Ooops no anonymous email anymore. Sorry whistle-blowers, you are screwed.
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Originally posted by MisteR2:
Sucks to live in texas :( .
Anyways, what is the effect on thin clients? Say a set of thin X-terminals off of a linux server? Would those be counted as a computer? Maybe they should make gaming thin clients for this purpose. GeforceFXs with 4gb ramdrives :D . I can dream, can't I?
a linux server?????? THAT'S ILLEGAL!!!!!!! you can keep your thin clients, but you'd have to have them dial in (or whatever) to a computer offshore, and the very act of connecting would be illegal too, if i understand this correctly.
also:
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Hibbeboy:
c**t
don't you mean cunt?
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HibbeeBoy: c**t
Please don't say "c**t". I believe it's a bad word. You should type "cunt" instead!
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Alright, Bill Gates is a cunt :rolleyes:
I try not to swear but sometimes, it just makes sense.
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Is this a politically correct forum?