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Operating Systems => Linux and UNIX => Topic started by: mael on 9 March 2004, 06:54
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From another forum:
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Q: Is unix more stable?
It's not 'more stable' so much as it's not as much of a target as Windows machines.
Root kits were born on Unix. And if I get a root kit installed kernel mode on your network, I own your network. Not the box, the entire domain. You can't tell the kit is there, and you can't tell how many machines a hacker has propegated the kit to. So, if I decided to take a server, and use it for FTP warez, I'd first use the root kit to take a workstation somewhere else on the domain, and when the performance, lack of disk space are noticed, and the server is formatted, you just root it again from the workstation.
True/false.. discuss...
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The question is about UNIX Stability, but then it leads on into security.
What the fuck.
Is the person who wrote this a moron?
Yes.
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You answered your own question (http://tongue.gif)
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Originally posted by Laukev7 is a virgin.:
Is the person who wrote this a moron?[QB]
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Yes.
EDIT: he works for Microsoft btw. Go figure, huh?
I'm looking for responses to feed back to him for the comment made.
[ March 08, 2004: Message edited by: shiggy ]
[ March 08, 2004: Message edited by: shiggy ]
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Originally posted by shiggy:
You answered your own question (http://tongue.gif)
EDIT: he works for Microsoft btw. Go figure, huh?
I'm looking for responses to feed back to him for the comment made.
[ March 08, 2004: Message edited by: shiggy ]
[ March 08, 2004: Message edited by: shiggy ]
Is Internet Explorer a good browser? Why doesnt everybody use Firefox?
Well because Windows contains many games on the whole it is a fun operating system. Many people avoid Linux because there games wont run on it. However you can get software like WineX.
My answer was as relevant as theres.
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WHy was this posted in the lounge and not in the Unix section?
And yes, the guy who wrote that is a moron.
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Originally posted by xeen:
WHy was this posted in the lounge and not in the Unix section?
And yes, the guy who wrote that is a moron.
Because I'm an idiot.
What did you expect me to say?
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Hmmmm, If I had moderator privs, well then I could move it to the UNIX Section.
Makes you think doesnt it?
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I hope that meant "Unix security" (http://redface.gif)
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Root kits were born on Unix. And if I get a root kit installed kernel mode on your network, I own your network. Not the box, the entire domain.
I doubt it.
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I do believe Unix-based OSes are more stable I have been using linux for almost a year and have had very minor problems. Simple mistakes that anyone could have made.
However, compared to Windows the problems that I had were not always user designated problems. More along the line of programming. Windows 95 I actually found to be very stable. Windows 98 seemed to crash all the time with the blue screen of death, frustrating. Windows XP I have found has stolen a lot of ideals to increase stability from Unix-based systems. I'm not so sure if this started on Unix-Based systems, but the fact of when a program crashes and the whole operating system stays together. For instance a program crashes in XP it asks if you want to force it to stop running. In Gnome this is the same thing. Microsoft has gone around stealing ideals for along time... I guess it's not really stealing since linux is more open source and lieniant. However, you take an ideal to better your operating system from Microsoft and they will make sure it never even gets to the starting line. Don't get me wrong Windows XP crashes, too, it's not the users fault that he's typing in Word and his computer dies.
This frustration from crashing lead me to try Linux and it's working great I have not one complaint. If a Windows user is a little uneasy about switching you should do them a favor and get them one of the many Linux Live that run straight from a CD. No installation no harddrive needed.
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So what if there are root kits that let you take hold of a *nix network? Nice little Trojan can take over a Microsoft network too. BFD. You do what you can to protect yourself, short of denying yourself network resources. There are so many things wrong with Windows, why does everybody always focus on security? Windows security isn't even an issue: the fact that Windows was poorly written with too much backwards compatibility is the larger concept that causes the insecurity. Solve the main problems and the little problems slow down to a trickle.
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Anyone have any articles about rootkits and running them at kernel mode-- or how to protect against a rootkit being run on the kernel mode?
Thanks for the responses, but I'm looking to use some evidance that he is wrong, and to learn more about it for myself. I've done a search on Google and didn't find much.
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Well here is the deal. A properly updated Unix box is near impossible to get a root kit installed on. Root kits are usually found on boxes that are updated rarely and have old unpatched vulnerabilities.
Even so, a Unix box with a root kit installed is still more stable than a non-compromised Windows box with uptimes sometimes in the years.