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Operating Systems => Linux and UNIX => Topic started by: CaptainCool on 3 September 2002, 21:05
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Is there any web sites out there that can help me out with the program Screem?
I want to create my own web site but I got's no idea how to use Screem.
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Do you, um, know HTML? Just search google for "HTML tutorials."
http://www.davesite.com/webstation/html/ (http://www.davesite.com/webstation/html/) is one.
What screem does is basiclly puts the mark up for you (instead of typing in
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I messed with some HTML code awhile ago and it seemed kinda easy.
Ill check those sites out.
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Yes, it's very easy. You could learn it in two or three hours, in fact. Eventually you'll just write your websites with Vim and make graphics with The Gimp.
Or you could settle for that joke-of-an-html-wysiwyg-editor Mozilla provides you with if you plan on making one of those "l33t DBZ sites" on geocities.
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Writing with Vim and Gimp sounds cool.
This Linux stuff is awsome.
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I've looked a little bit, but I still don't know what program to use for creating webpages, in the WYSIWYG style.
In SuSe that is... :(
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ok, get mozilla, install it, then open a 'Run...' box and type 'mozilla' inside it, and enter (without the quotes) as you will probably gather, mozilla is now running.
just go to View > Composer, or i think you can just type Alt-4 it's something like that anyway. You want to be using mozilla composer anyway.
Another free wysiwyg editor is included in OpenOffice.org you can download it from www.openoffice.org (http://www.openoffice.org) strangely enough, and it saves as html.
neither program is perfect, so visit this page as soon as possible and (http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/#tutorials) learn all the stuff in Dave Raggett's tutorials. Once you have done this, you can then create a document in mozilla or openoffice, then close all that stuff, reopen the html document in emacs and use your newly gained knowledge to remove all the awful code that will be littered through yer pages.
good luck! enjoy! :D
[ September 03, 2002: Message edited by: Calum ]
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Bluefish (http://bluefish.openoffice.nl/) might be what you want. Its not a staight WYSIWIG though.
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i would recommend against using bluefish or quanta.
until you have used the wysiwygs, openoffice and mozilla that is, you will not know enough about how to write html for bluefish or quanta to be of any use. and once you do know how to write html, you will probably prefer a straight editor like emacs for example.
I used both bluefish and quanta and had problems with it 'optimising my code' or in one case erasing half a page completely. (it was the 'genesis' page at polytheism.cjb.net) You never feel like you can write it as good again, i think, after an unwanted data loss... so steer clear is what i say.
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I agree but I though it might be good for his situation. I don't like WYSIWIG's much.
He could actually give Coffecups thingy a try...
[ September 03, 2002: Message edited by: Tux ]
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Originally posted by Calum:
you will probably prefer a straight editor like emacs for example.
He meant "vim"
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Originally posted by TheQuirk:
He meant "vim"
he means emacs. really. ;)
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Originally posted by Calum:
he means emacs. really. ;)
i prefer pico.
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I mean "vim". This debate is much like the religeous or political debates. People who prefer "emacs" tend mostly to be liberals. Now "pico" would probably be the green party. (http://smile.gif)
[ September 03, 2002: Message edited by: VoidMain ]
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Originally posted by VoidMain:
I mean "vim". This debate is much like the religeous or political debates. People who prefer "emacs" tend mostly to be liberals. Now "pico" would probably be the green party. (http://smile.gif)
[ September 03, 2002: Message edited by: VoidMain ]
VIM and Emacs. Ugggghh I need to learn how to use these.
BTW how is the arm going VoidMan? Nice to see you back man.
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Going pretty good, but I re-broke the old shoulder this weekend. My nephew got a cool new mountain bike and I thought I would be cool and try and ride it with my one remaining good hand. I made it about 2 feet and hit the brake causing me to reach up with my left hand in reaction to grab the handlebar and crack, pain, embarrassment... That mixed in with a good case of the flu made for a very fun weekend. But other than that I am fine. (http://smile.gif)
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O.k. I'll try Mozilla for that....I thought I knew how cool Mozilla was, but this puts it over the top! (http://smile.gif)
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VoidMain, are you a Bob? You sound a lot like one.
VIM is what ya want to use. VIM is the good shit. Use The Gimp for graphics that you might want on yer site.
The Bob Hub (http://www.bobhub.tk), The Abyss (http://www.the-abyss.tk), The Microsoft Eradication Society Chatroom (http://www.meschat.tk), and that crappy MES clan site (http://www.mesclan.tk), were all made completely in VIM.
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Originally posted by VoidMain:
Going pretty good, but I re-broke the old shoulder this weekend. My nephew got a cool new mountain bike and I thought I would be cool and try and ride it with my one remaining good hand. I made it about 2 feet and hit the brake causing me to reach up with my left hand in reaction to grab the handlebar and crack, pain, embarrassment... That mixed in with a good case of the flu made for a very fun weekend. But other than that I am fine. (http://smile.gif)
LOLOL. I dont wanna sound mean, but man you are a mess now.
:eek:
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Originally posted by Master of Reality / Bob:
VoidMain, are you a Bob? You sound a lot like one.
No way man, you guys have terrorists in your group! (http://smile.gif) BTW, I guess those guys in that other thread didn't take my terrorist comment as a joke...
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Originally posted by bazoukas:
LOLOL. I dont wanna sound mean, but man you are a mess now.
Actually, today I feel surprisingly good. Yesterday was another story altogether!
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Originally posted by Master of Reality / Bob:
VoidMain, are you a Bob? You sound a lot like one.
VIM is what ya want to use. VIM is the good shit. Use The Gimp for graphics that you might want on yer site.
The Bob Hub (http://www.bobhub.tk), The Abyss (http://www.the-abyss.tk), The Microsoft Eradication Society Chatroom (http://www.meschat.tk), and that crappy MES clan site (http://www.mesclan.tk), were all made completely in VIM.
When I get time I will re-vamp the clan-site for you.
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Originally posted by VoidMain:
[QB]I mean "vim". This debate is much like the religeous or political debates. People who prefer "emacs" tend mostly to be liberals. Now "pico" would probably be the green party. (http://smile.gif)
QB]
haw haw haw haw haw!!!!
how funny! political persuasion as revealed by choice of text editor! :D :D :D
i used to prefer pico becuase it's the only non-gui text editor i have found that does not require any training to use. I then did the tutorial in emacs, which took me a few days, and now i see that it is full of features so that i will be forever finding out new things for it. i like emacs a lot now. however, i have not used vi or vim yet. so i cannot comment really.
Any good suggestions on why i should switch to vim? and if so, any good links to a vim tutorial or two?
VoidMain: very sorry to hear of your travails! this is the first i heard of it! let me offer my condolences on becoming such an invalid! hope you get weller sooner! :D
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Emacs is a good operating system, but it lacks a good editor
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where was that quoted from?
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No idea. It's just a popular quote.
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Originally posted by Calum:
haw haw haw haw haw!!!!
how funny! political persuasion as revealed by choice of text editor! :D :D :D
Good, you took it for the joke that it was. I was going out on a limb with that one. (http://smile.gif)
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i used to prefer pico becuase it's the only non-gui text editor i have found that does not require any training to use. I then did the tutorial in emacs, which took me a few days, and now i see that it is full of features so that i will be forever finding out new things for it. i like emacs a lot now. however, i have not used vi or vim yet. so i cannot comment really.
That's a normal transgression. I started with vi in UNIX because it was the only real editor included with the OS. Being new to UNIX I found the editor very cryptic and difficult to use so I searched around and downloaded an easier (but less powerful) editor called "joe". "joe" is much like "pico" in many ways, but pico comes with "pine" so it was probably the choice.
Now since "vi" was included with all of the UNIX machines I did need to learn more about it as it was a pain to have to install a 3rd party editor just to administer my systems. To my surprise after going through some tutorials I found "vi" to be *extremely* powerful and what made it seem cryptic at first actually became clear, intuitive, efficient, and just plain made total sense (much like my experience with UNIX in general).
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Any good suggestions on why i should switch to vim? and if so, any good links to a vim tutorial or two?
Well, if you are happy with emacs and it is serving it's purpose then I would suggest pressing on. Reasons for switching probably wouldn't be significant for you. On the other hand you would be one of few if you learned both in depth. I can say that if you learn vi/vim you can walk up to *any* *NIX based system and have a familiar editor at your fingertips. You may or may not have emacs available depending on whether the admin installed it. The default editor on all UNIX/Linux systems that I have ever touched default to "vi" for things like editing the crontab, mail, etc. And the last reason is you will end up with your name in the same column as mine on the preferred editor list. (http://smile.gif)
As far as vim tutorials there are many. The vim website probably has a list of links. O'Reilly even has books on the subject, and I used to carry around their pocket reference. But there was one unique tutorial that I ran accross that I thought was a good and fun primer. It certaintly doesn't come close to scratching the surface of the power within vi/vim but it's fun/funny:
http://metacosm.dhs.org/tutorial.html (http://metacosm.dhs.org/tutorial.html)
And a screenshot of a sample session and it's syntax highlighting capability:
http://metacosm.dhs.org/screenshots/vim.png (http://metacosm.dhs.org/screenshots/vim.png)
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VoidMain: very sorry to hear of your travails! this is the first i heard of it! let me offer my condolences on becoming such an invalid! hope you get weller sooner! :D
Thanks man! I would like nothing more than to be trying to master that trick that kicked my ass, but it'll be a few months before I'm ready for that...
[ September 04, 2002: Message edited by: VoidMain ]
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thanks for all the helpful comments!
yes i would like to learn both, as you say, vi is default (or only) editor on Unix (and BSD as well?) so it makes sense. also: quote:
That's a normal transgression. I started with vi in UNIX because it was the only real editor included with the OS. Being new to UNIX I found the editor very cryptic and difficult to use so I searched around and downloaded an easier (but less powerful) editor called "joe". "joe" is much like "pico" in many ways, but pico comes with "pine" so it was probably the choice.
Now since "vi" was included with all of the UNIX machines I did need to learn more about it as it was a pain to have to install a 3rd party editor just to administer my systems. To my surprise after going through some tutorials I found "vi" to be *extremely* powerful and what made it seem cryptic at first actually became clear, intuitive, efficient, and just plain made total sense (much like my experience with UNIX in general).
yes indeedy! now my reasons for digging in with emacs first was more political than that. you see while vi has hostorically been included with all unices, emacs comes from the free software foundation, of which i am a staunch supporter. Vi is proprietary, Emacs is free software, simple. Of course, i think Vi and Vim are completely free now too (or are they free clones of vi and vim?) but that was my reasoning.
Basically a GNU system will likely have emacs on it, so no problem, but many unices are not GNU systems of course, so it makes sense to learn both. plus, if i don't learn both, how will i know which i prefer? :D
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vim actually stands for "Vi IMproved". It has all of the basic functionality as "vi" plus a LOT more. So if you know vi you can use vim just the same. It's good to know the differences between vim and vi and I use vi keys even though vim extends the keys (e.g. I use the h,j,k,l keys for cursor movement even though vim also allows you to use arrow keys).
And vim is open source charity ware "GPL Compatible". vi is the defacto UNIX standard even though it is propietary. And vim (like emacs) is included with all Linux distros that I am aware of. And I personally haven't installed emacs when I install Linux for quite some time. It just takes up a lot of space on my system for no reason since I don't use it. And yes, I made the transition to emacs before moving on to vim. But that has been a good 6 or 8 years ago now. The vim web site really is a very professional site and has a lot of quality information:
http://www.vim.org/ (http://www.vim.org/)