Stop Microsoft
Operating Systems => Linux and UNIX => Topic started by: sime on 4 November 2003, 00:48
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Bloody well is is you have 6 RH boxes and just built half a new Live Web server. Oh well, guess RH want to be the MS of Linux, I hould have seen that coming!
http://www.newsforge.com/software/03/11/03/1657205.shtml (http://www.newsforge.com/software/03/11/03/1657205.shtml)
Well shove it RH. Any suggestions as to a replacement. Needs to be rock steady, easily and reliably updatable, and be good enough to run live BIND, HTTP, SENDMAIL, MailScanner, Avirt, PHP, Perl, SSH blah, blah.
Just want some other opinions to chew on.
Currently thinking Slack, Deb, SuSE or a flavour of BSD
Later
Sime
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I would suggest slackware or Debian. I use Slackware 9.1 :D
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I just got this email. They announced last year that they would discontinue support for everything before 8 around December. However, the decision to scrap updates for RH9 at April of next year really makes me angry! I paid for the official professional version of RH 9 a couple of months ago and now I won't be able to have patches in RPM or SRPM form for it after April??
Yeah I can manually patch it, but the RPM security updates were one of the primary reasons I chose RH for my desktop OS.
And there will be no new version of RHL so I will have to do a full reinstall. Nor do I need/want Enterprise Linux.
Fine, RH doesn't want me as a customer. Goodbye RH.
[ November 03, 2003: Message edited by: M. O'Brien ]
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Will apt-get still work? If it does then you really wont have a problem with using an older version. Just upgrade to 9 by then and you will be fine. I also see though the point in discontinuing support for older os's. That cost lots of money and money is definetly not something any linux company has a lot of. They are moving more into server based and such or maybe more 1 solution. This really makes it easyer to be a user b/c it should ge rid of alot of issues like with diffrent kernels and such. Also if u still want to switch slackware is great.
Thats just my .02 cents
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No, they're discontinuing support for all versions of Red Hat, with the exception of the enterprise version. RH 9 won't be supported after April.
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Originally posted by sime:
Bloody well is is you have 6 RH boxes and just built half a new Live Web server. Oh well, guess RH want to be the MS of Linux, I hould have seen that coming!
http://www.newsforge.com/software/03/11/03/1657205.shtml (http://www.newsforge.com/software/03/11/03/1657205.shtml)
Well shove it RH. Any suggestions as to a replacement. Needs to be rock steady, easily and reliably updatable, and be good enough to run live BIND, HTTP, SENDMAIL, MailScanner, Avirt, PHP, Perl, SSH blah, blah.
Just want some other opinions to chew on.
Currently thinking Slack, Deb, SuSE or a flavour of BSD
Later
Sime
Welcome back, Sime. (http://smile.gif)
I would recommend FreeBSD. Its centralised packaging / ports system makes it easy to update. I find it less painful than the RPM system, and much less prone to package / repository conflicts. As for stability, Netcraft (http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/today/top.avg.html)
uptimes should speak for themselves (both for BSD/OS and FreeBSD). Naturally, all the apps you mentioned should run fine on FreeBSD.
[ November 03, 2003: Message edited by: Laukev7 ]
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Currently thinking Slack, Deb, SuSE
Those 3 are all nice.
I also like Gentoo.
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Try Fedora Linux. (http://fedora.redhat.com)
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Linux User #5225982375: Try Fedora Linux. (http://fedora.redhat.com)
I was just about to reply the same thing. It's not a bad thing that Red Hat discontinues Red Hat Linux, it's actually good. Freebies should switch and contribute to Fedora (Red Hat Linux wasn't really a "contribute" distro).
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Donot worry about Red Hat,or ManDrake, or SuSe or any of the other commercial linux companies. Debian and Slackware will likely never ever charge a penny for their distros. These two distros are supported by users like us and will remain that way.
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the fact that linux and a lot of the software that comes with a distro is totally independent of any company (and a lot of it is GPL, and as much again is public domain or under some similar free licence) means no one company can ever twist it to their own ends. back when linux was first becoming an option to users (10 yrs ago) there were some distros which were lazy and badly organised (like SLD), slackware arose as a direct response to SLD. because the software is free and open source, Patrick Volkerding thought he could do a better job than the SLD distro. he did, the rest is history.
At the same time, Debian came into being as a result of companies (i think eg caldera but i am not sure) selling CDs with their programs on and linux as the OS, so in effect it is a linux distro but you are forced to buy the programs too. Debian came out as a 100% free alternative to that sort of thing with a good package manager and all sorts of stuff that the FSF and what would become the OSI thought was a good idea for a linux or GNU distro.
So what i am saying is that even if all the existing distributions stop or start charging then you can count on some other people all starting their own new free distros in indignation with all the ready to use free software out there. anybody who had the time and a bit of passion for it in fact could print out the instructions for linux from scratch and build your own linux, get all the source code from sourceforge and cobble together a doable linux distro pretty quick i suspect.
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Originally posted by wild_jester / BOB:
Will apt-get still work? If it does then you really wont have a problem with using an older version. Just upgrade to 9 by then and you will be fine. I also see though the point in discontinuing support for older os's. That cost lots of money and money is definetly not something any linux company has a lot of. They are moving more into server based and such or maybe more 1 solution. This really makes it easyer to be a user b/c it should ge rid of alot of issues like with diffrent kernels and such. Also if u still want to switch slackware is great.
Thats just my .02 cents
apt for rpm support comes from freshrpms.net (a third party) and not red hat. in fact red hat has a payfer (and very inferior) service called RHN which they will no doubt discontinue.
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Thanks guys,
Got it down to Slack 9.1 (I started using Linux years ago when Slack was at version 3.2 and have always had a soft spot for it (http://smile.gif) http://www.slackware.com (http://www.slackware.com)
The second item on the list is openBSD 3.4 and like all BSD's is rock steady but probably a complete pig to configure. http://www.openbsd.org/ (http://www.openbsd.org/)
I will try both and make a decision. Thanks for all the comments. Appreciated.
Later
Sime