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Operating Systems => Linux and UNIX => Topic started by: Master of Reality on 31 January 2002, 03:59
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is there much of a difference between linux mandrake and redhat?
or should i just spin aroun d a pic whichever one i happen to point at? :confused:
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Six of one, half a dozen of the other. You are going to hear a lot of people say they like Mandrake, I prefer RedHat. Try them both.
Mandrake originally was just RedHat with some customizations. It now is really it's own distro but still very similar to RedHat. I personally have not had good experiences with Mandrake (others have not had bad experiences). Of course I've had some snags in various releases of RedHat as well, none of them hard to overcome mind you.
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Does anyone have any opinions on the Front end i should use, Gnome or KDE?
I havent used linux in a long time and the one i was using was pissing me off...(I cant remember which one)
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Try them both. They both can be installed at the same time, just select which one you want to use when you log in. You can run Gnome apps in KDE and KDE apps in Gnome. I prefer KDE as the desktop and I think most of the people on this site have a similar preference. Of course there are more than just KDE and Gnome. I also like Enlightenment but that is seriously different than the "Windows" type of system.
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Hey,
is there much of a difference between linux mandrake and redhat?
or should i just spin aroun d a pic whichever one i happen to point at? :confused: [/QUOTE]
I would have to say Mandrake 8.1 personally. I had the opportunity to experience both today and find Mandrake a complete pleasure to setup and use.
Later
Centurian
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well.. i happen to have mandrake 8.1 on CD.
so that is what i shall try
:cool:
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you might wanna try blackbox as a window manager, it's simple and clean, http://blackbox.alug.org/ (http://blackbox.alug.org/) but it takes a little getting used to
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Blackbox looks like just the ticket to speed up my Laptop... Have you used it? KDE is pretty clunky for my slow laptop but it's bearable. Of course it's no slower than Winblows.
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Originally posted by VoidMain:
Blackbox looks like just the ticket to speed up my Laptop... Have you used it? KDE is pretty clunky for my slow laptop but it's bearable. Of course it's no slower than Winblows.
Good minimalistic windowmanager would of course be Windows Maker. Highly customizable and very small footprint. Blackbox is right up there with small, minimalistic and useable. Could always go twm if you really want to punish yourself though.
;)
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I am very familiar with Windowmaker and twm already (8 years ago twm was about the only Window manager that would run on Linux, at least until fvwm came out). I despise twm and Windowmaker is ok but I prefer kwm, the screen shots on Blackbox looked pretty cool. Just wondering if it was as mature as Windowmaker? It claims to be able to run KDE apps. Does it have any problems doing so?
Actually, I just installed WindowMaker on my laptop and it *is* the ticket. Now my laptop seems as snappy as my AMD 1600 (well not quite). (-; It runs KDE and GNOME apps just fine (Konqueror and Evolution being my favorite). kwm is way too clunky and slow on my laptop for some reason. Thanks for reminding me about WindowMaker! In fact after using it again I realize that I don't use most of the "features" of KDE/kwm. I might just switch my other machines over to WindowMaker, why waste all those CPU cycles unnecessarily?
The main reason I got on the KDE/kwm kick was so I could show Windows users that Linux can be very much like Windows. But why be like Windows and be bloated when you don't have to be?
[ January 31, 2002: Message edited by: VoidMain ]
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Blackbox looked pretty cool. Just wondering if it was as mature as Windowmaker? It claims to be able to run KDE apps. Does it have any problems doing so?
yea, i've run plenty of kde apps with it just fine, and i've never really used window maker before, maybe i'll check it out
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I reccomend mandrake! I bought the power pack for about
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I'm a SuSE user and literally threw away my mandrake disks right after when I tried to install it on my second pc, right after the point where it could only make 39mb free to install it on (while SuSE had no problems shrinking my wincrap partition) but right now that pc is running slackware so I can toy around a bit with it. I had a friend who had installed mandrake on his own and threw it off his pc after a week orso, I just installed SuSE this weekend on his pc and he's absolutely extatic about the ease of use of it (plus the fact that he can play rtcw at 50+ fps really did it :D )
my 2 eurocents
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See the threadMandrake Install on SCSI System (http://forum.fuckmicrosoft.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic&f=5&t=000078)
Mandrake has almost put me off Linux for good.
[ February 12, 2002: Message edited by: Druid ]
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In my experience, there are few things that mandrake is finicky about (VIA KT chipsets), albeit in your case, without step-by-step details, it is hard to judge.
You can always try another distro, RedHat, Elx, Lycoris (Redmond), SuSE. I have about 4 desktop and 3 server types in my cache and if one does not work, I try another one. There are some differences, but it's all linux.
I think that in your case, SuSE may work well.
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Druid, that link you put up for SCSI is not right, can you fix the link? There is a guy in another thread having trouble getting Mandrake to work on his AHA1542. I used to use RedHat with that card for sure and didn't have any trouble. Maybe that link can help him.
I also wiped out RedHat on my laptop to try Mandrake 8.1. It didn't like my Linksys PCMCIA ethernet card so I had to go back to RedHat 7.2. I've used many versions of RedHat with that card with no trouble.
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Sorry about the broken link, sorted now. It seems that Mandrake has problems with ISA PnP cards. there are solutions but I think they are beyond my ability to cure.
Also from the Mandrake forum FAQ:
How about Adaptec Drivers for SCSI?
The situation is basically unchanged. There are two major versions of Adaptec firmware on the cards. Many cards can be flashed to the newer firmware to work with our default driver, but some cannot.
So it's either a different distro, new SCSI card, or IDE hard drive and CDRom.
[ February 12, 2002: Message edited by: Druid ]
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I've never tried SuSE or debian, so I can't comment on those...
I normally work to the principle of RedHat for servers, Mandrake for desktops. With the exception of some laptops... I've found RedHat 7.2 generally fares better there than Mandrake - it does seem to be the PCMCIA support that lets Mandrake down somewhat.
For serious Internet servers (rather than Samba fileservers), I would definitely go with a flavour of BSD (I prefer FreeBSD). Even more secure than Linux and just as stable.
This whole discussion in itself just goes to illustrate why the one-OS-fits-all model that M$ subscribe to just doesn't work. All applications are different and different OS's work better in different situations... Windoze tries to do everything and just ends up performing very poorly in all situations!
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Well for what its worth I have tried Suse,, RedHat, FreeBSD, and Mandrake.
SuSe is my fav distro just because of yast (http://tongue.gif)
I am running Mandrake on my main box and RedHat on the laptop.
Fav part of SuSe is the german man pages...can't tell you how much fun that is ...it's not!
Try them all.....its all good :D
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I must make a comment (maybe my screen name gives it away)...
I've ran RedHat, Mandrake, and SuSE... all have there ups and downs...
The major selling point for me was when I tried setting up some services I'd spent weeks setting up on Solaris (Sparc and X86) then I went to Mandrake by download... Red Hat from a friend... Then finally I spent the 70$ for the professional version of SuSE with 7 cd's 1DVD and over 2300 apps that can be installed or deinstalled in a matter of minutes, and I was hooked...
Especially when I looked at Red Hat's 199$ pro version, and Mandrake's ProSuite (I could only find on line) for 149$. I started realizing why SuSE had ~80% of the Linux market in Europe... Not sure how their doing here in the states, but I'm betting things will get better after the new Linux Kernel guardian Torvalds assigned was an 18 year old former SuSE developer.
I guess we'll see, but for me I can't complain to much about SuSE.
The only thing I've noticed is that Gnome seems to be a bit more established on Mandrake and RedHat. Where SuSE seems to work best with Kde, or windowmaker (for smaller systems).
I can't bitch about stability though I've had one of my SuSE servers running on an UPS without any down time since I set the fucking thing up...(About 4 months ago)...
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What services were you having trouble with?