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Operating Systems => Linux and UNIX => Topic started by: kituhwa on 30 September 2003, 21:43
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This is for the Linux users, this is where you get to convert me. What do you guys like about it and what distributions do you all use?
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I dont want to convert you. How about something different, you tell me what you need in an OS, and Ill tell you if linux can do what you want.
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Originally posted by Mat:
What do you guys like about it and what distributions do you all use?
What do you like about it and what distro do you use? I dont care if you use it or not. If you want to, most of us will be happy to help you. But, I dont think anyone will convince you to.
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Well I've already been thinking about switching, I mean with all the problems that I've had with Windows in the past and I've heard so many good things about Linux I thought I might give it a try.
When I mentioned I was majoring in Multimedia and Web Design at the Art Institute of Colorado someone on this board told me that I'd "love Linux" because of that.
This past quarter sucked because I had an intro to Database Management class and we were learning about RDBMS and using PHP and MySQL. I did complete one in class assignment that turned out okay, but my final project totally sucked. The problem was I kept forgetting what to do because at school we worked on Macs and then I got home to my Windows machine and wasn't able to do the same thing because for some reason I couldn't get MySQL to install on my computer.
When I went to the PHP site they had links to places that already had all that stuff, like somebody had an Apache server with all that stuff already there but I couldn't get it download on my crappy dialup account.
Next quarter I'm taking Flash, advanced Director and advanced Photoshop. As for what I want to do with my computer.
I'm not exactly the most computer literate person that you'll meet, I usually end up figuring out how to fix stuff by accident. Nobody ever really sat down and showed me how, save for all the software training I've been getting at school.
I just need to be able to run programs like Adobe Premiere, After Effects, Photoshop, and Illustrator, and Macromedia Director, Flash, and Dreamweaver, um...probably Cold Fusion too, but I haven't taken that yet. I get so confused when I work at school and then get back home, everything on the Mac seems "backwards" and I don't mean that in a bad way it's just hard to remember and little things get on my nerves like trying to remember its "ctrl C" on a PC and "apple or (command) C" on a Mac to copy stuff.
Everybody keeps telling me Linux is great for web stuff so, if I decided to try it out what distribution do you guys think would be best based on the info I've provided?
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Originally posted by Mat:
I just need to be able to run programs like Adobe Premiere, After Effects, Photoshop, and Illustrator, and Macromedia Director, Flash, and Dreamweaver, um...probably Cold Fusion too, but I haven't taken that yet.
I dont think linux is what you need. A windows PC, or a mac would be much better for running these programs since there are no linux versions available.
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Since Mat doesn't care about language packs, I'd say Red Hat Linux 9.0 and Windows 2000 Professional dual booted is the best for Mat here.
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Originally posted by Refalm:
Since Mat doesn't care about language packs, I'd say Red Hat Linux 9.0 and Windows 2000 Professional dual booted is the best for Mat here.
I agree with this.
Wine is still not stable enough for all the programs you seem to need.
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I couldn't get MySQL to install on my computer.
In Linux that's easy (and more stable).
Linux works very well as a server system
Just pick the distro you like the most.
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Try Mandrake 9.1 or wait acouple of weeks I think 9.2 is on its way.
If you are dead set and really want Linux, Buy SuSE, but try Mandrake first!
RedHat might be a little cold towards a new user, it's been designed as the defacto corperate desktop.
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I think dual booting is the best option. A dual boot system is pretty easy to set up. That way you could run Dreamweaver and Premire in Windows and switch to Linux to do PHP and SQL.
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I used to Dual Boot untill my HD Failed, then I stayed wth linux, Dual Booting is good especialy if you have a Nice/Big HD!
I recommend to try Knoppix 3.3 is out RIght now I'm getting it soon my K3b is fyucked up lol
Knoppix is the best one to try if your a noob you can also install it ot your HD...
I also recommend Mandrake..even though mine didn't work it's good for noobs
(I am a Noob) (http://tongue.gif)
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Originally posted by KiDwithIsSuEs 00:
Knoppix is the best one to try if your a noob you can also install it ot your HD...
Knoppix is easy when you keep the system on CD.
If you install it on your HD, its' buggy and highly
unstable. Better use Debian(Knoppix is based on it.) on your HD.
[ October 01, 2003: Message edited by: insomnia ]
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RedHat 9.0 is a good choice.. but you will need windows for Flash and Photoshop... Linux has GIMP for Image Manipulation which is great but if you are taking a course specifically of photoshop, then you pretty much need photoshop then.
Theres lots of programs for HTML editing, MYSQL, Apache and such.
It shouldnt be hard to remember all the controls such as ctrl+C to copy, because Linux is much more standardized that sort of thing then windows... i cant think of any direct examples (not using windows in so long), but its things like Ctrl+C wont work everywhere and windows to copy, but it will in every program in the GUI on linux. And of course you can just highlight and hit the middle (or both butons) on the mouse to paste (http://smile.gif)
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Originally posted by insomnia:
Knoppix is easy when you keep the system on CD.
If you install it on your HD, its' buggy and highly unstable.
Really? I've been using it for a while now and have actually had less problems with it than any other distro I've tried so far. There are still a few, though, which I guess constitute "buginess." I haven't tried Debian though, so I have no sense of comparison between the two. I guess if you're going straightforward with the aim to install linux on the HD it makes more sense to go to Debian than Knoppix, but Knoppix is still a fine distro to run in my opinion.
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Does Photoshop run in wine?
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Originally posted by Doctor V: Gentoo Lunatic:
Does Photoshop run in wine?
yes. disney uses photoshop in wine on linux for animation purposes.
and n00b use photoshop in windows to produce "art" that is in fact a photo with a couple of filters slapped on it.
Edit :D amn typos
[ October 02, 2003: Message edited by: [root@localhost /]$ ]
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I use Debian and love it. :) There are hundreds of Linux distros though and they are all slightly (to majorly) different so have a look at what each of the main ones offers I guess. Everyone here is going to recommend something different - what I love some one else will hate etc etc etc. Find something that fits you, not the other way around. :-D
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What do you guys like about it
I like the freedoms it gives me and the massive amount of choice and control I have when using "it." Not having to bend over backwards to conform to how a massive corporation thinks I "should" be doing things is nice too.
There are lots of alternatives to thos programs you listed - but some may not meet your needs. It is worth investigating though. Multimedia may be a bit weak, especially compared to Mac OS X but web design with free tools as opposed to "adobe" is quite good etc. I'm not much into it so I'm not an expert I guess... Stuff like RDBMS and code (PHP) is quite established on Linux based OS's, I do all of my programming for uni on Linux. (Or the Solaris labs which are pretty comparable...)
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I'm not exactly the most computer literate person that you'll meet, I usually end up figuring out how to fix stuff by accident. Nobody ever really sat down and showed me how, save for all the software training I've been getting at school.
If you want to play with stuff, learn how your computer works and have a system where you can change things to your hearts content Linux is ideal. You dont have to be computer literate to use it (when I started I couldn't even configure networking in Windows properly) but it helps a lot to read the documentation - there is heaps of free documentation that is high quality and caters to your every need.
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Adobe Premiere, After Effects, Photoshop, and Illustrator, and Macromedia Director, Flash, and Dreamweaver, um...probably Cold Fusion too, but I haven't taken that yet.
These programs either wont run or will require emulation which can be a bitch to set up properly. Sorry :-( . Most have alternatives though - the gimp can replace photoshop for anything but very heavy tasks, and cold fusion can be replaced by PHP, java etc. If you're learning those things then you will almost definitely need the exact same program of course - running a dual boot may be ideal as you can learn how things are done in both platforms. Setting up a dual boot lets you "try things out" and can't hurt anything but your time. (especially if you make back ups.) Try looking into Knoppix as well, it will let you trial a distribution with no risk.
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first off, why does an art institute have database classes
and why are you an artist and don't have a Mac? why in the world would you have a windows box?!?
Linux is pretty decent, but Mac OS X is where it's at for any sort of creative work. A/V work, print layout, digital photography, illustration.
All your apps run on it (if you have the last version of the apps, you can cross-upgrade.
Adobe Premiere?!?! They use that crap? Final Cut Pro is quickly becoming the standard. If not FCP, then Avid right now. Avid's not going anywhere, but they're certainly going to have to share the limelight with Final Cut. Premiere is a half-ass pretender. It's buggy, crash-prone, oh... and doesn't run on the dominant media-production platform anymore. Premiere is Windows only now. Good one Adobe, WAY TO GO YOU MORONS.
Oh well, it sucked ass anyway.
My suggestion to you would be to save up a little bit of doh, get yourself a used G4 (good ones can be had for $750 or so) and Mac OS X, cross-upgrade your apps and never look back.
Yeah, Linux is nice, but it's honestly even less well suited to the needs of an artist than is Windows
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Originally posted by Dirk Gently:
Really? I've been using it for a while now and have actually had less problems with it than any other distro I've tried so far. There are still a few, though, which I guess constitute "buginess." I haven't tried Debian though, so I have no sense of comparison between the two. I guess if you're going straightforward with the aim to install linux on the HD it makes more sense to go to Debian than Knoppix, but Knoppix is still a fine distro to run in my opinion.
Knoppix is nice. (http://smile.gif)
If you like Live CD Linux,
try this: http://www.slackware-live.org/ (http://www.slackware-live.org/)
It also explains how to make a personalised live CD from any distro.
(http://smile.gif)
[ October 03, 2003: Message edited by: insomnia ]
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how simple is it to do with non PC distros like Yellow Dog or Mandrake PPC?
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Originally posted by Jimmy the Shyster:
how simple is it to do with non PC distros like Yellow Dog or Mandrake PPC?
I don't use PPC, but I think it's the same.