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Operating Systems => Linux and UNIX => Topic started by: Chooco on 20 June 2002, 04:52
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let's take some common distros and compare:
-Mandrake (8.2 don't work for me so i'll say 8.0 because it does)
-RedHat 7.1 (there's only 1 mirror for 7.3 so it's virtualy impossible to DL within 1 year)
-Suse (whatever the latest one is)
-Lycoris (latest one)
what advantage does each one have? i've tried Mandrake and Redhat so far. Mandrake seems a lot easier to configure stuff in terms of a control panel in KDE
what do the others have?
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When I dled Linux Red Hat 7.3 there was about a hundred different mirrors (ok... maybe only 70). But there was a lot and i dled it about a week after it came out.
http://www.redhat.com/download/mirror.html (http://www.redhat.com/download/mirror.html)
http://www.linuxiso.org/distro.php?distro=7 (http://www.linuxiso.org/distro.php?distro=7)
http://www.linuxiso.org/viewmirrors.php/349/valhalla-i386-disc1.iso (http://www.linuxiso.org/viewmirrors.php/349/valhalla-i386-disc1.iso)
[ June 19, 2002: Message edited by: Master of Reality / Bob ]
[ June 19, 2002: Message edited by: Master of Reality / Bob ]
[ June 19, 2002: Message edited by: Master of Reality / Bob ]
[ June 19, 2002: Message edited by: Master of Reality / Bob ]
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if you got to redhat.com and go to download, select RedHat7.3 it brings you to this page here:
http://www.redhat.com/download/rhlinux73.html (http://www.redhat.com/download/rhlinux73.html)
and there's only 1 site listed.
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i wouldn't know about redhat.. when I downloaded it, a friend of mine hosted it on a server (imagine.. downloading redhat 7.3 alone on a full T1 line (http://smile.gif) )
Edit: I realized I broke cd #2 and had to download it again from www.linuxiso.org. (http://www.linuxiso.org.) The download was very fast. Besides, linuxiso.org has more then 1 listed.
[ June 19, 2002: Message edited by: TheQuirk ]
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I downloaded RedHat 7.3 the day it came out from http://www.linuxiso.org/ (http://www.linuxiso.org/) and had the three CDs burnded in 4 hours start to finish. Don't know what your problem is...
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hmmm, the advatages i find of redhat is that when i pluged my dad's digital camera in the usb port. and ran gtkam non root it worked. and it comes with kde 3. slackware 8.1 should kick rituouse ass, i just have to install it know.
PS. hey voidmain, you seem to know these things. why is ext3 the default on most linux distro's when XFS is under gpl. i find that messed up that sgi does a bit of kernel work and makes free there high-end filesytem.
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Originally posted by Chooco:
let's take some common distros and compare:
-Mandrake (8.2 don't work for me so i'll say 8.0 because it does)
-RedHat 7.1 (there's only 1 mirror for 7.3 so it's virtualy impossible to DL within 1 year)
-Suse (whatever the latest one is)
-Lycoris (latest one)
what advantage does each one have? i've tried Mandrake and Redhat so far. Mandrake seems a lot easier to configure stuff in terms of a control panel in KDE
what do the others have?
actually the mirrors for redhat 7.3 are pretty common if your within the U.S. but if ur in some poor @$$ country then ur screwed....i got all 3 install discs off the NOAA FTP mirror within about hour and half.....very fast DSL tweaked with Linux Redhat 7.2 helps lol.... it's really easy and fast to get it off any U.S. .edu college or one of the .gov government ftps (ps i got mine about 1 or 2 days after 7.3 was released so the ftps were pretty loaded up) i had em d/l and burned probaly about 2 hours or so start to finish burning a really deep burn but still semi fast at 4X(1X or 2X is preferred for a very strong and deep burn lol....last longer....also use Verbatim cd-rs...or TDK) l8r
[ June 20, 2002: Message edited by: RedHat SeaWolf ]
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Topic: what distros have what advantages?
Very clever! this is a good way to get around the "what's the best distro?" dilemma. Ask that and you might as well never read the replies! phrased this way though, you might get a lot of good answers!
May i say, i have tried red hat 7.0, mandrake 8.0 and 8.2, and turbolinux 6.1
turbolinux was a little bit different from the others, and i never got to play with it for long. It comes with a few different packages and is mainly aimed at businesses in Australasia, particularly Japan, China, New Zealand and Australia. It was okay, might throw you for a minute if you've been red hatting though.
mandrake. 8.0 was a bitch to set up on my laptop, just like red hat 7.0, but when working they both acted as expected. Red hat and mandrake are very similar to one another, maybe having a different "feel". Some glitches and bugs in these systems can probably be attributed to hardware. In red hat 7.0 i had to use GNOME due to mouse problems in KDE.
Mandrake 8.2, what i am using now. If i use GNOME (1,4) i get those exact same mouse problems! KDE 2.4 is okay though (still a glitch or two though, same ones, i suspect buggy hardware), XFce which i hadn't used before is excellent and glitchless. Mucho packages come free with both red hat and mandrake. XBill is notable by it's absence, in Mandrake, also, mandrake irritatingly does not install "make" by default unless you select "developer tools" during install, and does not install pine by default at all! (even though it's on the CD!) why? it's necessary! again, mucho free programs, bluefish, many text editors, media players and cd recorder frontends. several versions of emacs and vi included.
That's my thoughts on distros/features...
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slackware 8.1 has just pissed me off, gone with the tradational color.gz initrd, you have to use some odd ass fubar way of doing it. this only affects people doing nfs installs through a loopback iso or who can't boot off of a cd but have a cd drive i think
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SuSE 8.0 can be installed and configured by any monkey who can type and click, imho it's the best choice for a linux desktop (especially for bussinesses because of the plethora of supplied software)
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most of these replies are about how they got RedHat and not off the official site..
come on guys don't dump on my threat here lol. slackware couldn't detect my ethernet card :(
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the three replies before your one were about what distro has the best features, actually, now you have irrelevated your own topic! and incidentally you have also said slackware didn't work, thereby negating one of the legitimate replies. Just thought you should know! :D
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Originally posted by Chooco:
if you got to redhat.com and go to download, select RedHat7.3 it brings you to this page here:
http://www.redhat.com/download/rhlinux73.html (http://www.redhat.com/download/rhlinux73.html)
and there's only 1 site listed.
goto my link and it will show all the mirror sites for the iso. There is only one link to download directly from redhat.com
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quote:
Originally posted by Chooco:
let's take some common distros and compare:
-Mandrake (8.2 don't work for me so i'll say 8.0 because it does)
-RedHat 7.1 (there's only 1 mirror for 7.3 so it's virtualy impossible to DL within 1 year)
-Suse (whatever the latest one is)
-Lycoris (latest one)
what advantage does each one have? i've tried Mandrake and Redhat so far. Mandrake seems a lot easier to configure stuff in terms of a control panel in KDE
what do the others have?
Mandrake is a newbified Red Hat (in my opinion, of course). It is a bit more user friendly but your not as much in control.
Redhat is good for general use, most people like Red Hat. It is easy to install the RPMs, but it doesnt have a nice package manager like Slackware/Debian. RH7.3 is good becuase it comes with KDE3, which is awesome. But you can always dl it and install it on anything else.
I liked Slackware, because I was in complete control.... But i was only using it from the command-line. Slackware's installer was 'simpler' than Debians.
I only tried FreeBSD for a couple seconds on my server a litle while after starting to use Red HAt, and it confused me so I switched my server to Red HAt.
[ June 20, 2002: Message edited by: Master of Reality / Bob ]
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Well, I've been using Linux since '98. So far I've used SuSE Linux 6.3, 7.1, 7.3 and I'm now using version 8.0. I've also used RedHat Linux 6.0, 7.1 and Mandrake's versions 8.1 and 8.2.
I have to admit that I'm a SuSE and a RedHat fan but I don't like Mandrake. Although it's really based on RedHat and it has an incredibly easy installer, it doesn't let you take full control of your system. Depends really on how you see it. If one is a newbie in Linux one should try Mandrake or Lycoris Desktop LX first (even more newbie friendly). On the contrary if you're a *NIX veteran you should try Debian or Slackware. I place myself somewhere in the middle.
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slackware and redhat cannot recognize my ethernet card, so far only Mandrake 8.0, 8.2 and FreeBSD have been able to detect it.
slackware installation was super hard......really bad instructions :(
ok well which one will give me the most powerful server and includes KDE?
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has anyone got a USB cable modem / internet connection sharing working on redhat 7.3? i was using 7.2 but i couldn't get it to work, so i switched to mndrake (mind you sharing still isn't working, but at least my modem works)
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Well, go out and spend the 10 dollars on a network card. Or read the documentation about how to install/enable your network card driver on the other distros.
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Originally posted by Chooco:
ok well which one will give me the most powerful server and includes KDE?
If you are running a server, you probably don't want to have KDE on it... If you do, i suggest "Microsoft windows 2000 server".
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Originally posted by BobsYourUncle:
has anyone got a USB cable modem / internet connection sharing working on redhat 7.3? i was using 7.2 but i couldn't get it to work, so i switched to mndrake (mind you sharing still isn't working, but at least my modem works)
I got a cable modem that is hooked up to an ethernet card in my proxy server, which is sharing the internet with three other computers.
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REAL men use Debian; Stable, Secure, and apt-get - what else could anyone want?
Server apps in Debian are the most secure you can get. Installation has gotten a bad rap, if you KNOW your hardware, and do your homework, Debian is JUST AS EASY TO INSTALL AS ANY OTHER DISTRO!!! Mine was up and running, and connected to the internet in 45 minutes from partitioning, not too shabby for an idiot.
I can't say enough about apt-get; it's just in a class by itself. Upgrades are a snap, and they just DON'T FAIL; no dependancy issues, no incompatabilities to piss you off. If you do an apt-get dist-upgrade once a week, your system is always as current as it can be. When Debian does a new release (like "Potato" to "Woody") apt-get dist-upgrade upgrades you to the new release; there's Debian users who have never re-installed, distribution upgrades CAN be done automaticly, and re-installing isn't needed.
The downside is that Debian apps ae not cutting edge; you CAN compile and configure anything if you want to, but Debian won't include anything that they feel isn't stable enough to not cause problems; personally, I prefer stable.
Debian is the most reliable distribution available, and if you use it, you wll learn Linux at the most basic level; you'll be completely at ease with your equipment.
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what do real women use?
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Originally posted by Calum:
what do real women use?
http://www2.megamars.org/linuxchicks/page_01.htm (http://www2.megamars.org/linuxchicks/page_01.htm)
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Originally posted by VoidMain:
http://www2.megamars.org/linuxchicks/page_01.htm (http://www2.megamars.org/linuxchicks/page_01.htm)
YEAHHHHHH!!!!! AND THEY ALL USE DEBIAN!!! (I can tell!)
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Everyone's talking about cable modems having trouble with some Linux stuff. What about ADSL modems? I was thinking of trying Redhat because KMFMS.com recomended it. (http://smile.gif)
I honestly don't know much about this stuff. I don't have an external ADSL modem, it's in my computer in a PCI slot, so I assume it's internal.
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we have adsl service running in redhat 7.3 and it configured rgiht up for the static routeable ip...internal modems i hate b/c they're generally slower, only 1 systems can run on it unless u use it on a unix/linux router/server system....also depends on if its static or dynamic ip and if static wether its DHCP or routeable ip....a lot of variables in it lol....umm about mostly everyone talkin about gettin redhat not off the official site...well the official site gives links to all their mirrors that redhat works with...such as the nasa and noaa.gov mirrors....try the noaa.gov mirror for USA.....one of the fastest ones i found
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Actually after looking at Mandrake, im not so sure of Redhat. I know Redhat is great, but Mandrake claims to be EXTRA user friendly. Is this true?
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well the more easiness, the less customisability. Having said that, it's all relative, mandrake's super customisable compared with (windows)...
Remember to install more than you think you need. When i installed mandrake, it didn't install 'pine' by default, also it does not install 'make' by default unless you select 'developer tools'. Also, remember to install all the desktop environments if that's yr bag. KDE2.4 is the default, but getting to use XFce, blackbox, windowmaker and so on is priceless and shouldn't be missed...
Another snag about mandrake. You don't get xbill on the mandrake CDs! so you'll have to download it for yrself... :D
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When your a newbie, lack of customizability is not a problem. My main problem is all these obscure programs you just named, well I'll snag them anyways. (http://smile.gif)
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How about Lycoris Desktop/LX?
If I finally have enough HD space, I'll install it.
Here's a review of the distro:
http://www.pcw.co.uk/Products/Software/1132044 (http://www.pcw.co.uk/Products/Software/1132044)
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Oh goody, another fighter for teh n00b Linux distro.
Ok Mandrake VS Lycoris?
Let's make this easier, the categories are:
Hardware compatibility
Direct software compatibility(running some non-Linux shit without an emulator)
Emulated Windows/DOS software compatibility
Non-gaming performance(Such as websurfing and the neat Windows-ish GUI not moving slow like the Windows GUI)
Direct Linux gaming performance(not using an emulator, which distro gets higher framerates on games. Half-life Linux is one such example)
Emulated Windows/DOS performance(What one runs emulators better?)
ADSL modem compatibility(Does either one have problems?)
User friendlyness(Which one is more user friendly)
Customizability
Ease of Install
Mid range system performance(433 celeron is a mid-range system. Not modern enough for stuff like RTCW, not old enough to be a joke power wise)
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A friend has Desktop/LX installed...
He doesn't even know the difference between a modem and an ethernetcard and still, he can install it.
He has problems with his ADSL account, because Desktop/LX doesn't create the right script needed for ADSL. On the Lycoris (http://www.lycoris.org/) website, there is a tutorial about the ADSL things.
I send him an e-mail with explanation and so on, but I don't think he even knows what the command prompt is.
I think Mandrake will create the right script for ADSL, because I read something about that on the Lycoris forum (http://www.lycoris.org/forum.php).
[ June 24, 2002: Message edited by: Refalm ]
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Hmmm well... Mandrake may be better then. Yet still, there's a "script tutorial". Anything else that one OS has over the other?
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How do I decide? Well let's check the websites. Mandrake seems n00b friendly and Lycoris seems REALLY windows-ish(minus all the stupid stuff about windows). What wins out? Well I have enough confidence in being a higher tier of Linux n00bishness so Mandrake it is.
Now then, to backup these harddrives...