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Operating Systems => Linux and UNIX => Topic started by: eaeshamdevil on 13 August 2003, 21:57
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i've had enough of it, i want to switch to a 'distro' of linux, but sadly for me, you alltalk of the operating systems themselves and why microsoft sucks, and never get around to explaining how to actually isntal and initiate the operating system, so please in a short manner explain what i need to do, i have a computer that i can experiment on, i want to use a distro of linux . please gimme links and stuff and critizize me plz but explain what i need to do and what kind of work i need to do if i want to use my new linux comp for internet surfing and music and some games, thank you for reading this and for hopefully responding
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i've had enough of it, i want to switch to a 'distro' of linux, but sadly for me, you alltalk of the operating systems themselves and why microsoft sucks, and never get around to explaining how to actually isntal and initiate the operating system
my attempt to translate that would be, "you guys dont teach me how to install an operating sytem enough, tell me again?"
sorry, i would explain it but someone else will do it better. that's what a lot of the posts are about is explaining things to people, including installing linux. which in my opinion is just as simple as windows, stick in the cd and restart.
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... so please in a short manner explain what i need to do, i have a computer that i can experiment on, i want to use a distro of linux . please gimme links and stuff and critizize me plz but explain what i need to do and what kind of work i need to do if i want to use my new linux comp for internet surfing and music and some games, thank you for reading this and for hopefully responding
personally, i dont think anybody actually needs to hold ur hand through it. just try it once, stick in a linux cd and reboot.
i'm sure someone here will go through a long explaination, but i'm in too bad of a mood. nothing personal, just a bad day.
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Here are some sites, but don't expect them to step you through every option. Installation isn't that hard, but it's not something anyone does without some reading up. Otherwise, everybody would buy a cheapy computer without an OS, and then install whichever one they liked, and MS would be out of business back in 1998-99
www.linuxquestions.org (http://www.linuxquestions.org)
www.tldp.org (http://www.tldp.org)
www.linux.org (http://www.linux.org)
www.linuxtoday.com (http://www.linuxtoday.com) (news, but still nice to read)
http://directory.google.com/Top/Computers/Software/Operating_Systems/Linux/ (http://directory.google.com/Top/Computers/Software/Operating_Systems/Linux/)
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http://www.belg88.com/faqman/index.php?op=view&t=73 (http://www.belg88.com/faqman/index.php?op=view&t=73)
it's in the f a q , says download it and put it onto a disk, i did that, and inserteted it into my cd rom drive, rebooted several times and nothing happens, as if the disk isn't even in there. i dl'd the knopix distro , to my desktop, then wrote it to a c d. it said it would boot as the distro, but no dice. please help me out i am stupid but i just need a lil' help
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sounds like a BIOS issue.
you BIOS is booting the Hard drive before the CD-Rom
during the boot sequence, you will have to manually enter into the boot-device menu (usually triggered by the F8 key) and select CD-ROM and boot from there.
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Aye. He is correct. But... Could you, uh, change your displayed name?
It's a bit, err, long.
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You also have to make sure that you are correctly burning *.iso images to a disk. www.linuxiso.org (http://www.linuxiso.org) has some HOWTOs of how to do this with some of the more popular burning utilities for Window$:
http://www.linuxiso.org/viewdoc.php/howtoburn.html (http://www.linuxiso.org/viewdoc.php/howtoburn.html)
Once you burn the CD correctly, make sure you have your BIOS set to boot from CD before Harddrive, like root@localhost said (If you have never messed around with your BIOS before, you are most likely using factory default settings which, more than likely, boot from the harddrive first. You will need to change that. Depending on your BIOS, this is usually one of the F keys ((F7 F2, etc. or the DEL key.)))
If you are using Knoppix, you have a full Linux system (a very adept one), right at your disposal. Plus, you didn't make even one change to your harddrive. Naturally, the "Live" CDs run considerabley slower than an installed system. You do, however, have the option of installing Knoppix right to the harddrive, if you so desire. I like Knoppix. To serve a desktop system, you couldn't really ask for anything more. You get a fully working Debian-based distro that gives you APT, and it is A LOT easier to get rolling than an official Debian release.
To start you off, I found this tutorial to be informative, interesting, and well organized:
http://www.linux-tutorial.info/cgi-bin/display.pl?224&0&0&0&3 (http://www.linux-tutorial.info/cgi-bin/display.pl?224&0&0&0&3)
If you want to give the Knoppix harddrive install a try, Creedon ( a guy that used to post here ) wrote a tutorial:
http://www.linuxjunior.org/cgi-bin/pet/pet.cgi?SUBMIT=Display&id=82 (http://www.linuxjunior.org/cgi-bin/pet/pet.cgi?SUBMIT=Display&id=82)
If you have other questions, especially those that are initially confusing to a newbie (like partitioning and Linux device names), feel free to ask. The "help me install" topic is just too broad. You have to break it down, piece-by-piece, and let us know what is troublesome to you. (http://smile.gif)
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thank you all for helping me , so much i appreciate it, my xp gets slower and slower by the minute.... billy bill know's wats up eh? as i speak im using nero to try burning the knoppix iso again, maybe i didn't do it right last time. also i'm gonna fuck around with bios now and tell it to boot from c d instead of booting from disk. can i partition half the HD so i can half linux running 1 side and y'nknow xp on the other. is that possible? if so please please tell me how to - and is all this bios-fucking-around-with going to be reversible?
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Originally posted by foolishpersonwhoknowsnothing:
can i partition half the HD so i can half linux running 1 side and y'nknow xp on the other. is that possible?
Knoppix doesn't need a hard drive (...well you can, but that's buggy and difficult...).
For a full (and easy) system, downlaod Redhat9.0 or Mandrake 9.1 (3cd's).
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it.......mnever ....ends..... right now im on my shitty xp computer, i put knopix on my win 98 computer in the other room, and like somebody said, it's alot slower when being read from the cd rom drive, and said it was be alot faster if a partition HD install was done. alright redhat 9.0 , can you please give me a link? thanks for your input, if i could just get a link for the dl . and by the way- are there any specific system requirements for knoppix/and/or redhat?
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ok here is the list of mirrors for Red Hat its pretty self expanitory: red hat (http://www.redhat.com/download/mirror.html)
here is for
mandrake (http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/ftp.php3#iso)
good luck, oh and if you still cant get it contact your local lug, they might have an install fest where they install it for you. lugs (http://www.linux.org/groups/index.html)
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which computer are you doing this to.
Windows Internet Explorer 4 (98)?
or XP?
98 will be alot easier to do this with than XP.
step 1. backup everything
step 2. burn the iso(s) of your choicce (I suggest mandrake 9.1)
step 3. Verify the md5's
step 4. boot the CD's
step 5. let it configure your hardware
step 6. when you get to the partitioning screen. manually partition it.
step 7. resize the windows partition (FAT32 if 98, NTFS is 2K/XP (red hat can't resize NTFS, mandrake can))
step 8. add an ext3 partition mounted at / leaving 1 gigabyte as space
step 9. add a 1 gig. swap partition
step 10. choose your bootloader
step 11. select what you wan't to install & install it
step 12. enjoy!
those are the 12 steps for setting up a dual boot.
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oh alright, im doing this on a 98 first- if it works im doing it on my xp - both computers are seriously diving in performance- are there any system requirements for mandrake 9 1 like you reccomeneded? the blackout surges burnt half of my ram to make matters worse so im gonna have a hard time burning all these iso's. and is mandrake 9 1 very user friendly like knopix?
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i looked at the mandrake link one of you guys posted,. i feel stpuid asking but do i download the i586? or ppc or what i dont understand what that means. im going to install this on a intel win 98 comp 533 mhz, could somone tell me which one i dl?
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alright this is my 3rd straight post , sorry for spamming but i need som'ore help. i went to the mandrake link which had more link's the dl places. im confused , it's not really giving me an ISO to download for mandrake, instead it's many many smaller files. can you plllllleeeeaase explain this to me !
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Normal PC = x86
Mandrake 9.1 needs an i586(=pentium or something like that)
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well, i can't help you much with mandrake, i'm a redhat fan. both distros seem to be a lot alike (maybe because mandrake was derived from an early redhat distro back a few years).
i assume the system requirements would be the same, but here is what's on the RH9 box (yes, i bought it...worth donating money to the company for)
CPU
cli: 200mhz
gui: 400mhz
HD
smallest install: 475MB
largets install: 5GB
Memory
cli: 64MB
gui: 128MB (i suggest 256 if you plan on using gnome or kde)
hope that helps. if you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask, people here are very helpful.
they helped me back when i started a year ago
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Originally posted by foolishpersonwhoknowsnothing:
alright this is my 3rd straight post , sorry for spamming but i need som'ore help. i went to the mandrake link which had more link's the dl places. im confused , it's not really giving me an ISO to download for mandrake, instead it's many many smaller files. can you plllllleeeeaase explain this to me !
can you give a link to the directory where all of these 'smaller' files are?
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Originally posted by foolishpersonwhoknowsnothing:
alright this is my 3rd straight post , sorry for spamming but i need som'ore help. i went to the mandrake link which had more link's the dl places. im confused , it's not really giving me an ISO to download for mandrake, instead it's many many smaller files. can you plllllleeeeaase explain this to me !
Go to: http://linuxiso.org/ (http://linuxiso.org/)
Pick Mandrake and downl. the 3 cd's.(i586)
[ August 15, 2003: Message edited by: insomnia ]
[ August 15, 2003: Message edited by: insomnia ]
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If you really want Mandrake (I, like Siplus, recommend Redhat... I tried Mandrake, didn't particularly care for it.), go to the download page ( http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/ftp.php3 (http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/ftp.php3) ) And click whatever applies, I'm assuming the second button. On the page that follows (I can't seem to link straight to it, sorry) There is a "ISO" link ("Mandrake 9.1/i586 ISO Image"), which brings you further down on the same page to a section of mirrors with ISO images. That should do it.
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oh, duh, linuxiso.org! silly me. oh, and these last few replies happened as I was typing mine, so now it looks kind of superflous... oh well
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ftp://mirrors.ptd.net/mandrake/iso/ (http://ftp://mirrors.ptd.net/mandrake/iso/)
this mirror looks good, it is on a PA server, so you should find one near you.
you will see something like this, just download the 3 cd files.
it might also be a good idea to check the size of your cds. it appears to need 700mb cds, but i don't know...maybe 650's will work too
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Originally posted by Siplus:
ftp://mirrors.ptd.net/mandrake/iso/ (http://ftp://mirrors.ptd.net/mandrake/iso/)
this mirror looks good, it is on a PA server, so you should find one near you.
you will see something like this, just download the 3 cd files.
it might also be a good idea to check the size of your cds. it appears to need 700mb cds, but i don't know...maybe 650's will work too
650 will do.
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hehe right now im using knoppix live off the cd on my xp one- I FUCKING HATE WINDOWS- KNOPPIX IS RUNNING OFF MY CRAPPY FRANKENHOOT CD DRIVE AND IT'S GOING 10 TIMES FASTER THEN MY XP COMP GOES NOW, AND MUCH FASTER THAN MY XP COMP DID WHEN I GOT IT, it's the fucking SHIT. i hope mandrake is as good, hehehe that means i got to go back to windows FUCK in order to burn the 3 disks. wow i never knew what linux was really , i only used windows and a little mac , i though that linux was a silly ass dos looking OS, but knoppix looks like a old ass mac with pretty shiny buttons and NoO lag-----thank you everybody for helping me out- especially the guy who gave the the mandrake ISO links - im gonna put it on dl and come back later see how it's going I HOPE THERE'S NO MORE FRIGGIN BLACKOUTS - so thank you everybody and i love i LOVE knoppix it is the shit - ummmm one last stupid question from me - is there any way i can play COUNTERSTRIKE - a very popular game - on knoppix or mandrake ? if so please help me out thanks
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WineX. (I haven't had much success with that program but lots of other people have, I know) http://www.transgaming.com (http://www.transgaming.com) It provides a layer of compatability (that's how it's said, right?) for Windows programs on Linux... There's also Wine, but WineX has DirectX compatibilty, for games. I think it should run something like Counter-strike just fine.
P.S. Yeah, I just discovered the wonderful CD that is Knoppix, too, I am equally happy with it :D
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btw, looking at the different ISOs, the one that says "PPC" is PowerPC. it's for those of us lucky enough to have Apple computers! ;)
Good luck with Linux, and welcome to an MS-free world!
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Originally posted by foolishpersonwhoknowsnothing:
- ummmm one last stupid question from me - is there any way i can play COUNTERSTRIKE - a very popular game - on knoppix or mandrake ? if so please help me out thanks
since this came up, i figured i'd put my post in here that has gotten 0 replies so far...
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finally have winex working on my laptop! i tried playing several games that were installed on my windows directory, such has Warcraft3, stronghold: crusaders, everquest, half-life, and Quake3 team arena.
and there are problems with each, some do not even work. i find it strange, that if there is a problem, it is different from game to game.
ok, so step by step what i'm doing, is:
1) opening gnome-terminal
2) su -
3) enter password
4) cd to the directory of the game (hda1 is mounted on /c)
5) winex3 [gamename.exe]
seems simple enough, but here's the problem:
with Warcraft3:
there is a terminal right in the middle of the screen that is impossible to move. the game is running, everything works well, except i can't see the middle of the screen. that doens't make for a very playable game
with Stronghold crusader:
not that big of deal. i didn't even check to see on the transgaming site if they have support for it. i'm just missing the mouse cursor. i can get by, so i'm really not too concerned about it. i'm just thinking that it may give a clue to someone more knowledgeable or something...
with QuakeIII:
this happens a lot in windows even if i have it set in the wrong resolution. the screen is just kind of a blured, disfigured, snowy, whatever. it runs, but not playable
with Half-life:
doesn't even start.
everquest, eh, i had to be online and i wasn't at the time, so i'm not going to worry about it for now.
with all of that said, my laptop is a 1.5ghz celeron, it has ATI Mobile radeon video card, 256mb ram.
i'm running RH9
please help me if you can!!!
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[ August 16, 2003: Message edited by: Siplus ]
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i'd download the latest wine (from winehq.org) and install it. halflife runs just fine with that. i'd make sure to set ur video mode to opengl though (dont forget to get ur linux video drivers for good speed).
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while i am on my x p computer running big brother bill's window's xp-i have more problems
-----i downloaded mandrake 9.1 ISO - # 1 and # 2
i burnt both of them with NERO (mind you i burnt knoppix with nero 2 days ago and it worked fine_
i tried to insert the mandrake install (1) disk into my windows 98 computer while it boots
the screen pops up where it asks you what you want to do like it's supposed to, BUT then it asks where is the install disk and says that it can't find it in the c d rom drive!
please help and thx for reading
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Originally posted by Stryker:
i'd download the latest wine (from winehq.org) and install it. halflife runs just fine with that. i'd make sure to set ur video mode to opengl though (dont forget to get ur linux video drivers for good speed).
are you talking about setting the in-game video to opengl, or is winex configurable itself?
if it is, where do i change this at?
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Originally posted by foolishpersonwhoknowsnothing:
while i am on my x p computer running big brother bill's window's xp-i have more problems
-----i downloaded mandrake 9.1 ISO - # 1 and # 2
i burnt both of them with NERO (mind you i burnt knoppix with nero 2 days ago and it worked fine_
i tried to insert the mandrake install (1) disk into my windows 98 computer while it boots
the screen pops up where it asks you what you want to do like it's supposed to, BUT then it asks where is the install disk and says that it can't find it in the c d rom drive!
please help and thx for reading
hmm...i had this problem with slackware8 when i first tried to install it.
i never really figured out how to fix it, i just got slack9 when it came out.
hope someone else can help
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if you want and you have a fast broadband connection you can try a network install (I did cause I let a friend borrow my cd burner and still have not gotten it back yet, selling them for $10 on ebay so i don't really care). Please correct me if I mess up or if you have any extra comments.
first go here (http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/ftp.php3#586)
and pick a mirror near you. i picked ftp.uwsg.indiana.edu cause it is pretty close to me. anyways go into the directory dosutils and download rawrite.exe into C:\ and also get network.img into C:\ too. put in a floppy, double click on rawrite.exe it will ask for a path i think, just type network.img
now reboot (make sure bios boots from floppy), and follow the instructions. now for me I put down for ftp site name ftp.uwsg.indiana.edu and for directory i put /linux/mandrake/9.1/i586 worked like a charm. hope you have success with it. I am typing this from mandrake 9.1 right now. I have a red hat box with 64 mb ram and it really needs 128 for the graphical environment, I have 128 on this laptop and it runs great, in my opinion it's much faster than win2k. and I love not crashing.
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Quake 3 runs natively with a patch and half life runs just dandy (Inquisitor Faust (LHL) is ranked 356 / 370 on my local dedicated cs server, yay! (http://smile.gif) ). I've also heard that Warcraft 3 runs fine, but why would you want to play that? ???
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Siplus:
To run Quake 3 grab and install the latest Linux patch. Install that and you should get a new executable that runs natively in Linux.
To run halflife, you should be *in* the halflife directory and start it with "wine -winver win98 -- hl.exe -opengl -noipx" or similar. You'll have to wait a bit when you join while it detects that your wavein doesnt work. (microphone.)
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Just sshd to my box. Heres my "halflife" script:
#!/bin/bash
# The cd is necessary to find custom games
cd /mnt/windows/Program\ Files/games/half_life
wine -- hl.exe --console -gl -w 1024 -noipx -windowed# 1>/dev/null
[ August 16, 2003: Message edited by: Faust ]
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Some books I have.
I wrote most of this out before carefully reading this thread. After you figure out how to install Linux you might need to configure some things. They discuss things like this at
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/index.php (http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/index.php)
I have some more ideas I'll post later.
When I was looking for a good Linux book in the book store I decided to get this one since it explains a lot of things step by step in detail. I always avoided getting any book that say "for dummies" in the title, but I made an exception with this one.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0764507443/qid=1061088123/sr=1-3/ref=sr_1_3/102-8167960-133936 2?v=glance&s=books (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0764507443/qid=1061088123/sr=1-3/ref=sr_1_3/102-8167960-1339362?v=glance&s=books)
I have the 1985 version of Mark Sobell's book (A Practical Guide to Unix System V) and found it provided me with a lot of insight into Unix and Linux. I took a class about 15 years ago where 90% of the time we learned Unix and worked on projects in Unix. The class I took was a 400 level chemistry course (Computer Applications to the Chemical and Biological Sciences). I later took some computer science courses and mainly used Ada, but never used Unix. We even learned Lisp and Prolog in one class. Lisp and Prolog are pretty strange. Learning about trees and graphs in computer science courses helped explain the Unix/Linux directory system. The basics of trees and graphs are simple. Reading my Unix book makes me think dynamic memory allocation and linked lists are being used with the Unix and Linux directory tree structure. Unix and Linux even use links to files (read these books to find out what I'm talking about). Learning MS-DOS helps, too. BTW, when I took Unix about 15 years ago there was no graphical user interface (GUI). We just used the command line. In Linux, KDE and GNOME are standard GUI's.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/external-search/102-8167960-1339362?tag=starshopc om-books-20&keyword=Mark%20G%20Sobell%20Unix%20System%20V&mode=books (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/external-search/102-8167960-1339362?tag=starshopcom-books-20&keyword=Mark%20G%20Sobell%20Unix%20System%20V&mode=books)
Note the book that is selling for $1.95. Its well worth the money.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0805389156/qid=1061092882/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_2/102-8167960-1339362?v=glance&s=books (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0805389156/qid=1061092882/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_2/102-8167960-1339362?v=glance&s=books)
I also have The Complete Linux Handbook.
http://www.linuxformat.co.uk/ (http://www.linuxformat.co.uk/)
[ August 16, 2003: Message edited by: Great_Satan ]
[ August 16, 2003: Message edited by: Great_Satan ]
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Instead of going with a dual boot system you might want to try:
http://www.technoyard.com/hardware/miscellaneous/Trios/page_1.html (http://www.technoyard.com/hardware/miscellaneous/Trios/page_1.html)
http://www.romtecusa.com/trios/product/rom_t2_main.htm (http://www.romtecusa.com/trios/product/rom_t2_main.htm)
Also see
http://forum.microsuck.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=5&t=002072 (http://forum.microsuck.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=5&t=002072)
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Originally posted by foolishpersonwhoknowsnothing:
while i am on my x p computer running big brother bill's window's xp-i have more problems
-----i downloaded mandrake 9.1 ISO - # 1 and # 2
i burnt both of them with NERO (mind you i burnt knoppix with nero 2 days ago and it worked fine_
i tried to insert the mandrake install (1) disk into my windows 98 computer while it boots
the screen pops up where it asks you what you want to do like it's supposed to, BUT then it asks where is the install disk and says that it can't find it in the c d rom drive!
please help and thx for reading
Sounds like a bios problem (Prob. an error in the IDE-code).
*RETRY it a few times. (i had to reboot more than 10 times for Mandrake 9.0, after that it all worked fine...)
*Try an installation from bootdisks with extra PCMCIA support. These images can mostly be found on your first cd. You can use both DOS/windows and Linux for this. In DOS, you can find most in a dir. called dosutils (use rawrite).
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That trios hdd selector thing looks expensive and useless. Why bother when there are better cheaper and easier solutions?
And just to clarify Siplus, half life (not wine) should be told to run in open gl, as wine supports open gl programs better than direct x ones.
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the screen pops up where it asks you what you want to do like it's supposed to, BUT then it asks where is the install disk and says that it can't find it in the c d rom drive!
Corrupt cd's maybe? Try checking the md5 sums of the cds (which I er... do not how to do) and then burn em off real slowly before finalizing them.
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thx for your reply but the install disk works on my x p computer but not my 98 computer
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OK my bad. Sounds like either the cdrom or BIOS, sorry I can't help more. :( Tried using a different cdrom on the 98 box?
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If I recall correctly, if you insert the Mandrake CD1 into the CD-ROM drive under Windows, there's a Windows program that creates a boot floppy disk that goes straight to your CD.
You might want to give that a shot. (of course, you'll need to change the BIOS back to booting from the floppy)
I also recommend downloading CD3, as it has several things you might need.
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I have the 1985 version of Mark Sobell's book (A Practical Guide to Unix System V) and found it provided me with a lot of insight into Unix and Linux.
*THAT* is an excellent book (I have the fifth edition), and I highly reccommend that book to anyone interested in "getting under the hood" regarding Linux/UNIX systems. The Shell scripting sections are written excellently. You can find it on any of those "used book" sites for about $10 - $15 (US). That book is one of the reccomended text readings at a great deal of American Universities that have an emphasis on M/CIS and Computer Science (Maryland, Rutgers, Cal, Washington, and USC, to name a few)
"Foolish"..:
Are you, by any chance, using one of those PCs that keep a hard drive cached version of your BIOS (Compaq was notorious for this BS)? If so, you just need to keep resetting them (BIOS) upon every boot. A lot of OEM vendors like to keep a cache of your BIOS on an 8MB partition on your harddrive to allot for a "system restore", permitting the case where you actually decide to try something different with *your* computer to reset to "default(m)s", barring an error. If this is the case, you just need to hit your F(x) key (where x = an integer between 1 -12.. or Del) and manually reset your BIOS upon every boot. Yeah, it is a pain in the ass, but you have two options:
1) Do the affore mentioned everytime, until you get Linux straight, and have LILO installed, or
2) 'Flash' your BIOS to a generic version that doesn't have the "idiot-proofing."
If I were you, I'd just stick to number 1) until you got it down. You can always get Linux installed, use (Linux) fdisk, make a partition, back up the Windows drive (onto a directory on the Linux partition, or a separate FAT32 partition), and if you have a boot problem, reinstall Windows. You have Knoppix already (which is more like a recovery tool than it is an operating system) you will be fully equipped to do anything that I am suggesting.
You are using XP, correct?
XP "got smart" on us. I have tried every method to get a peaceful coexistence between Red Hat and XP on my laptop, and nothing worked (installing LILO and Grub in the MBR, and both in the Linux partition.) Bootpart (http://forum.microsuck.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=5&t=002076) did work, however. Bootpart is easy to use, and free. If you need them, I will provide you with images to help you through the setup.
If I were you, I'd try out the Knoppix harddrive installation. It uses Debian/Sid (unstable), but once you load up your sources (/etc/apt/sources.list) file, you can run a program similar to Apple's OS X software installer. Keep posting, or PM someone if you need more help. That is why this place is here. We all hate Microsoft, we have that much in common, and we will assist anyone who is willing to escape. (http://smile.gif)
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Originally posted by foolishpersonwhoknowsnothing:
thank you all for helping me , so much i appreciate it, my xp gets slower and slower by the minute.... billy bill know's wats up eh? as i speak im using nero to try burning the knoppix iso again, maybe i didn't do it right last time. also i'm gonna fuck around with bios now and tell it to boot from c d instead of booting from disk. can i partition half the HD so i can half linux running 1 side and y'nknow xp on the other. is that possible? if so please please tell me how to - and is all this bios-fucking-around-with going to be reversible?
wait wait wait!!!!!!
just follow these instructions and see how you get on:
http://linuxiso.org/viewdoc.php/howtoburn.html (http://linuxiso.org/viewdoc.php/howtoburn.html)
i knew nothing about burning isos and would have wasted a lot of CDs if not for that page.
I suggest trying red hat or mandrake or slackware or as you say get knoppix also, just stick the CD in and reboot. It will ask you a lot of questions so perhaps find a nice easy looking and up to date "what to expect when installing mandrake/redhat etc" type of document and print it out first, eh?
here's another link of the general info type:
http://linuxiso.org/viewdoc.php/introtolinux.html (http://linuxiso.org/viewdoc.php/introtolinux.html)
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gak!
i'm really playing catchup here! sorry about my previous post if it was unnecessary, but what emh says here: quote:
Originally posted by emh:
If I recall correctly, if you insert the Mandrake CD1 into the CD-ROM drive under Windows, there's a Windows program that creates a boot floppy disk that goes straight to your CD.
You might want to give that a shot. (of course, you'll need to change the BIOS back to booting from the floppy)
I also recommend downloading CD3, as it has several things you might need.
is totally true, although i haven't tried it in XP. just boot to XP, stick the mandrake CD in the drive, put a blank floppy in as well and you should see a button offering to make a mandrake bootdisk. make one, then reboot (leaving the floppy and the CD in the drive) and it should go fine. If it doesn't, the next step is to enter the CMOS setup of your machine. this involves rebooting and then quickly checking to see what key you need to press to enter setup. it will be tab, or f2 or f10 or space or something. it'll tell you for an instant and then it'll boot up as normally. you need to catch it before it does that by pressing whatever key it is manically till you get the CMOS setup screen. now LEAVE everything set the way it already is, except make it so the machine boots from the floppy first, the cd drive second and the hard drive third. This is the corerect order for ANY computer in my opinion. reboot and bob is now your uncle, while fanny is indeed your aunt.
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aha, here we go:
Installing Linux is blindingly easy (http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=6162).