Stop Microsoft
Operating Systems => Linux and UNIX => Topic started by: TU on 6 August 2002, 22:53
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anyone know where to buy them? also note to Xp sucker. reason for linux #1,900,9900 is that linux laptops are about 200-300 cheaper than windows ones. Thanks for help !
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Unfortunately it is like pulling teeth to find a Laptop manufacturer that will sell you a Laptop without Windows preinstalled. However here are a couple that look pretty good:
http://www.kachinatech.com/US/portare.html (http://www.kachinatech.com/US/portare.html)
http://www.qlilinux.com/products/laptops/index.html (http://www.qlilinux.com/products/laptops/index.html)
Sure Linux runs well on IBM Think Pad, Dell Latitude/Inspiron, etc but even as much of a Linux pusher that IBM is you can no longer buy a Think Pad without Windows (that I am aware of). The only think that you can do is order a Dell, IBM, Compaq etc (after doing your homework on compatibility) and get a refund from Microsoft for the Microsoft software. Make *sure* you do not boot the system up when you get it without booting from a non-MS floppy and wiping it out first or you will not be able to get a refund. There is information on the net on how to get your Microsoft refund, search google.
I have two Dell laptops that I use Linux exclusively on. Unfortunately Microsoft received payment for 2 copies of Windows and they would also be included in the M$ bean counter as a sale, even though Windows was never used on these laptops. It will never happen again as I will either purchase a Linux laptop, or get a refund from M$ in the future.
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hmm, ill use the correct word this time
linux laptops are great for cracking on school networks. beucase of the plumbing in linux i can do great shit on the school network, and i could do the same with a dreamcast hahahahahahaha
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Q. Does it have to be the dogs bollocks, or just any old thing.
I suggest you hunt around for an old deal, someone upgrading and getting rid of theirs, supplier getting rid of old stock. I am currently trying to install on an old laptop, unfortunately the bloat in gnome and KDE is giving me problems, only 1GB drive inside, and probs with the graphics driver and sound card, and it's got 40M of memory, and runs at 120MHz, but then it's what 7 years old so what the hell, and to top it off the harddrive is acting flaky, so It may be a throw out, but it was given to me, so like I can complain.
I too want a laptop, with Linux, and my next comp will be a laptop, but I am having to look at Macs for it at the moment, I will not buy M$ stuff again, not even for refund, it's a principle involved here.
But none of the big manufacturers seem to offer no O/S, which is a shame.
[ August 06, 2002: Message edited by: pkd ]
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Originally posted by VoidMain:
get a refund from Microsoft for the Microsoft software. Make *sure* you do not boot the system up when you get it without booting from a non-MS floppy and wiping it out first or you will not be able to get a refund
Has anyone tryed this, does m$ really give you a refund? If they do then I should get some cash, I just bought a new laptop (http://smile.gif) and the minute I came home I put mandrake 8.2 on it. XP never touched it, but it does have windowsME on it :(
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Did your laptop come with Windows ME or XP? If it came with XP and you never booted it without destroying it then you should be able to get your money back:
http://www.linuxmall.com/refund/ (http://www.linuxmall.com/refund/)
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Time for a reality check when buying any new hardware (including laptops) from any vendor.
Right now almost every hardware vendor is sitting on merchandise that they cannot move. AMD and Intel have both postponed the release of their faster CPU's so that their reseller customers can get off of their present inventories without taking a shellacking. Any vendor that won't sell you a laptop computer WITHOUT Windows on it, and give you the proper discount for no OS, is going to be a company with its head up its ass........or someone that you probably don't want to do business with anyway. Let them worry about wiping the Windows OS off of the HD if they really want your money. Getting the "credit" for not selling Windows with the hardware should be the vendor's responsibility, not yours.
During the present state of the economy, only an idiotic merchant would insist that you take Windows with the unit if you didn't want it.
I am through ranting now.
My best to all.
Sleeping Dog
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The laptop came with XPoo, but the cd NEVER touched my laptop, it may have came in contact with another computer of mine, but thats neither here nor there. So im not sure if I could get the money back...
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During the present state of the economy, only an idiotic merchant would insist that you take Windows with the unit if you didn't want it.
Well looks like fry's is a idiotic merchant [but hell who didnt already know that] I got my laptop at frys and there was no way in hell they were giving it to me without windows. I argued with the asshole salesman for 20 minutes, no deals, no discount for not taking windows as a matter of fact he wouldnt even keep the cd, I told him I didnt even want it and he basically made me take it. I looked around alot before I bought a laptop and I honestly couldnt find a better deal then what I got at frys. Intel 1.6 ghz, cd-rw/dvd 15 inch screen, 40 gig drive, 802.11b built in, infrared port, 4pin firewire, 4 usb ports, the only thing im dont like is the video card, only 16mb! But I got it for $1550 before tax, it was $1650 but a little fast talking got him to bring down the price a bit. But all in all im happy with it, its currently running mandrake 9.0 beta2 (http://smile.gif) and winderzME :( .
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Well as long as you didn't register your copy of XP I would suggest following the advice of that web page and try and get your money back from M$. And let us all know how you make out. If nothing else, it could make for good fodder for this board.
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hmmm, i really want to go to a gateway store, and make the guy think he was going to sell a computer, whip out the checkbook, and tell him that i will not buy the system if i have to pay for windows, and present redhat 8.0/*should be out soon*/. and then if they didn't sell it to me/*which they wouldn't*/ i would like walk out
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I didnt register it, but I remember reading a story about how certian OEM's register them before hand. Either way im going to try and get some money back, well see what happens. Does anyone know if their is a time limit for this? I've had the laptop for about a month or so, think that would this make a diffrence?
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Yo trc3
Go to the MicroPro site and check out what you could have gotten for the same money (about 1600 plus shipping and no tax if you are out of their state.)
You could have gotten the Centaur Series 15" with all the same "stuff" and a 2.2 GHz 400 FSB processor. I have dealt with MicroPro for several years and have bought several systems from those folks. They have great warranty and customer support. THEY HAVE NEVER CHARGED ME FOR A MICROSOFT OS BECAUSE I HAVE NEVER ORDERED A SYSTEM FROM THEM WITH A MICROSOFT OS ON IT. I request "No operating system." They honor my request and I am not charged for it.
I will call them tomorrow, just for spits and giggles, and see if they would do the same for a laptop. The last dozen or so systems that I have bought from them have all been desktop/server stuff.
Have fun All
Sleeping Dog
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OOPS!
Almost forgot....here is the link.
http://www.micropro.com/syscat.htm?product=Notebooks (http://www.micropro.com/syscat.htm?product=Notebooks)
Sleeping Dog
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I can't tell you, look at it as a science experiment. Write a letter that you have no intentions of using XP, you never put the CD in a machine, you have installed Linux on it from the beginning, you do not agree to any software license, your PC distributor will not give you a refund (give them the name of the place you bought it), and you want your money back. Stick the CD any other piece of material with the M$ logo (hologram) in a package with the letter and send it to Redmond.
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Hey, great link SD! You can click on the "Customize" link and remove XP from the configuration and save $94. Wonder how compatible the hardware is with Linux?
[ August 07, 2002: Message edited by: VoidMain ]
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In 1996, I sent a Windows 95 CD back to Microsoft requesting a replacement. It was broken clean-in-two. (The CD sleeve had never been opened but you could feel the pieces kinda' mushing around in there.) I sent to Redmond a photocopy of the receipt where it had been purchased and a note explaining that "It must have been broken somehow before it was opened." The truth is that my girlfriend got me sloppy drunk with the intention of taking advantage of me, and I stepped on it as I stumbled out of my office (on the way to being taken advantage of). Seeing as the CD sleeve was unopened, I requested.....and expected a replacement.
I still have not heard back from those people and that was more than six years ago. However, I expect to get my Windows 95 replacement disk from them in the mail just any day now. I was told that the guy at Microsoft who handles support and complaint calls also ships replacement product whenever he is off of the phone.
Sleep tight all.
Sleeping Dog
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I can't tell you, look at it as a science experiment. Write a letter that you have no intentions of using XP, you never put the CD in a machine, you have installed Linux on it from the beginning, you do not agree to any software license, your PC distributor will not give you a refund (give them the name of the place you bought it), and you want your money back. Stick the CD any other piece of material with the M$ logo (hologram) in a package with the letter and send it to Redmond.
Been there; done that. last January I finally needed to replace the ol' Dell OptiPlex GSa. The best system for the price and features was a Micron that came with all the Linux-friendly hard I needed, and no WinModem. However, I could get it with XP, 98SE, or Win ME
:mad: So I took it with XP as an OEM install. After getting it all connected, and covering up the "Designed for Win XP" decal with a "Powered by Mandrake Linux" sticker, I stuck my Win 95 disk in the slot before turning it on for the first time. I ditched XP right then and there, followed by the installation of Win 95, Mandrake, and eventually several other distros. I sent all the Win XPoo disks and documentation back to Redmond with a letter stating that I declined the EULA, documenting what I'd done, and requesting a refund.
Needless to say, I'm still waiting. A lawyer friend of the family said that I could probably get the refund by flying out to Seattle and filing a claim in small claims court. But that would cost quite a bit more than that refund. :mad: :mad:
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I would really be interested in buying a used laptop later for Linux. Can anyone recommend specific models which are 100% compatible,around 1Ghz, with DVD? I'd hate to buy one and then find out the network card won't work with my cable modem. :(
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Well, considering that the EULA specifically states "If you do not agree to the terms of this agreement, you should return all copies of the software to the store you bought it from for a full refund" you should get your bloody refund.
Yeah right...
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I have had good luck with most Dell laptops, however they do use WinModem/Ethernet cards in the newer ones that will not work with Linux. No problem though, I just buy LinkSys PCMCIA ethernet cards and they work like a champ.
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I dont see the need of you bying a new Laptop unless you have money to spare.
I bought a used Laptop inspiron3500. It runs a 356 celeron. It came with Win95. I installed RH 7.3 in it and it runs beautifully (both on Gnome and KDE).
THe onl problem I had was with the Sound card. But that is fixable by a)downloading a patch or b)Changing the IRQ setting.
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Hello all, i am thinking about bidding for this:
(http://ebay2.ipixmedia.com/abc/M28/_EBAY_cb29d826de8bcef397f4a6fa0b4d4f46/i-1_B.JPG)
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YOU ARE BIDDING FOR MY DAUGHTERS COLLEGE LAPTOP.IT IS A CITYNOTE GREEN 751.(I THINK ITS BASED ON A DELL, BUT NOT SURE.) WWW.CITYNOTE.NET. (http://WWW.CITYNOTE.NET.) IT HAS A INTEL PENTIUM 75 MHZ PROSSESOR. 540MB HARD DISC.COLOUR SCREEN. SOUND & GRAPHICS.INTERNAL FLOPPY DRIVE.DOCKING PORT.RS PORT.CRT PORT.PRINTER PORT EXTERNAL KEYBOARD PORT. EXTRA MEMORY SLOTS. LOADED WITH WINDOWS 3.11 FOR WORKGROUPS AND MICROSOFT OFFICE FOR DEMO PURPOSES, BUYER RESPONSIBLE FOR LICENCE.IT HAS ALL PORT COVERS, AND BATTERY HOLDS A REASONABLE CHARGE, IT HAS BEEN WELL LOOKED AFTER AND IN EXELENT CONDITION. VERY MODERN LOOKING AND COMES WITH ORIGINAL CARRY CASE AND MAINS CHARGER..... NOW THE DOWN SIDE BITS...THE DC TERMINAL HAS BEEN REPAIRED AND ITS BEEN PUT BACK A BIT SCEW WIF, BUT THIS DOES NOT EFFECT PERFORMANCE JUST COSMETIC, AND THE ON OFF BUTTON SOMETIMES STICKS IN WHEN SWITCHING OFF, A COUPLE OF PRESSES ARE NEEDED SOMETIMES. AND THE DOCKING STATION COVER HAS LOST PART OF ITS HINGE, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO E/MAIL ME WITH ANY QUESTIONS, AND I WILL DO MY BEST TO ANSWER THEM. HAPPY BIDDING. On 12-Nov-02 at 08:55:56 GMT, seller added the following information:
THE ON OFF BUTTON HAS NOW BEEN FIXED AND IS WORKING PERFECTLY.
Any thoughts? basically i'm asking for links to some sort of database that will tell me how compatible the sound/video cards are and so on, with linux. it is a pentium so i know that mandrake 9.0 will be able to be installed on it. Also, i can set up a dual boot with windows 3.11 (!)
thanks, chaps.
edit - well this page (http://lugs.linux.nu/c4lug/medlemmar/johan_kjellman.html) and this page (http://lugs.linux.nu/c4lug/medlemmar/roland_johnsson.html) are the only ones i can really see on google about this laptop, well actually this one's not quite the same, and they at least suggest that red hat 5 will run on it graphically...
[ November 15, 2002: Message edited by: [calum@localhost]$ ]
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also, any advice on these too?
first one: (http://ebay3.ipixmedia.com/abc/M28/_EBAY_5ee34a750caf8fe6c50eb7137466b1c0/i-1.JPG)
the description for this one says: quote:
Description
Pentium Laptop
Power Supply Included
hmm...
and another: (http://ebay3.ipixmedia.com/abc/M28/_EBAY_5815de43c8747ba36e670aac2e1887d6/i-1_B.JPG)
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Digital HiNote VP Pentium Colour Laptop with CD & Floppy Multimedia (Lot 94)
Colour, Intel Pentium 200 MMX, 16Mb Base Ram, Touch pad Mouse, CD Rom Drive & Floppy Disk Drive, Screen complete no cracks, faint line on right side of screen
Laptop
* External VGA
* External Keyboard or Mouse
* Communications Port For Modem etc.
* Printer Port
* 1 x PCMCIA
* 1 Infra Red, 1 USB
* External Sound Ports
* Trackball Mouse
* Docking Support
Parts missing
* Battery & Battery slot Cover
* Hard Disk & Caddy
* Memory Slot Cover
* Mains Adapter - 19v, 2.4amp
Overall Worth Rebuilding If You Have Spare Time
Basic tests run and past on all. Power on test OK.
This one i should be able to look up myself, but as always, if anybody knows of any quirks...
Of course there are a lot more of this sort of thing on eBay, does anybody know a good way to check how compatible a particular laptop is with linux other than just typing the model into google with the word 'linux' appended?
Thanks...
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cool.... i was gonna post something about finding Linux Laptops...
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please do! these are all windows 3 or windows 95 laptops to my knowledge, so i think i have to BUY ONE before i know if it's a 'linux laptop' unfortunately...
hey, what's the difference between windows 3.11 and windows 95?
the difference is 91.89...
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Did you look them up on linux-laptop.net (http://www.linux-laptop.net/)?
[ November 15, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]
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nope! but i will now, thanks!