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Operating Systems => Linux and UNIX => Topic started by: DukePuke on 30 March 2004, 00:04
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I am total lnx noob, got installed Slackware yesterday (i got rid windoze partition during mistake, but who cares, there was no important data)
So what the fuck strange system is linuxoze. I got need install additional software from internet. I got some kind of tar.gz pack, (wxWindows/GTK lib if you care) , I do
./configure (ok 1 minute and its over)
make
lol, it taking 20 minutes of compiling this shit and it still compiling.
This is fuckin funny. I want to add software to linux, and 8 MB package takes half (or even more) hours to compile and install?
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And BTW, how to shutdown computer from linux? I think holding 5 seconds "Power" button is not good.
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Building from source takes time because it takes a significant amount of processor power to turn source code into binary executables. It doesn't matter what platform you use (Linux, Windows, MacIntosh, etc.).
An 8MB source package can take a very long time to build.
Binary packages, in contrast, really only need to be copied to the hard drive.
The distinct advantages of compiling from source
are: the ability to customize the compile to your hardware, the binary will be linked directly against libraries on your hard drive (insuring maximum stability and compatibility), and you can specify compile time options.
To shutdown your linux box do one of the following
1) as root type /sbin/halt
2) as root type /sbin/shutdown -h now
3) hit CTRL-ALT-F1 to go to a text console, and then hit CTRL-ALT-Delete.
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Thanks for info (http://smile.gif) I hope your shutdown methods will work for me
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Originally posted by DukePuke:
I am total lnx noob, got installed Slackware yesterday
Bingo. Slackware = not for newbies. I learned that the hard way (though I picked up lots of great knowledge).
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hehe Actualy I hadn't knew that its for advanced users. Just got some Slackware review in some kind of Linux portal, and I read its very recommended for beginers. So i dloaded lnx, burn in CD, boot, lol no GUI, just stupid text based environment, and poor documentation. Duno, I planned to have 2 OS'es (with win2k) but I just dont knew how to use fdisk, and i messed all hdd with him, until I seen there is nothing more to do then to install that linux. Actualy its good distro, but i dont like that its dont support rpm packages
[ March 29, 2004: Message edited by: DukePuke ]
[ March 29, 2004: Message edited by: DukePuke ]
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even easier
shutdown -h now
or
shut it down from inside the GUI... oh wait, most *NIX desktops don't let you do that ::rolls eyes::
Get GenSTEP when it comes out.
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quote:
Originally posted by JimmyJames: GenSTEP Founder:
shut it down from inside the GUI... oh wait, most *NIX desktops don't let you do that ::rolls eyes::
KDE can (when KDM is being used), and Gnome can do it as well. (http://tongue.gif)
BTW DukePuke: type "startx" and watch the magic. ;)
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First things you'll need to do:
*Add a personal user:
Type: adduser (as root)
=>Slack will ask you some easy questions and make
a dir. called /home/user-name
Exit as root and log-in as your personal user.
*Pick a window manager.
=>Type: xwmconfig (as your personal user)
Start with someting easy like GNOME or KDE.
An other GNOME option is Dropline (You need an
i686 for this)
http://www.dropline.net/gnome/download.php (http://www.dropline.net/gnome/download.php)
Type startx to launch them.
*Packages:
http://www.linuxpackages.net/ (http://www.linuxpackages.net/)
Installing them:
installpkg package-name
*Auto update/installation tools:
slapt-get=> http://software.jaos.org/ (http://software.jaos.org/)
swaret=> http://www.swaret.org/ (http://www.swaret.org/)
...
PS: Slackware does support RPM, but you'll have to
build the RPM database yourself(I don't find this needed).
[ March 29, 2004: Message edited by: insomnia ]
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Slackware was my very first distro... with it's spanking new 2.0 kernel (http://smile.gif)
It's not as newbie friendly as others (Mandrake, SuSe, etc.) mostly because it's the one in behavior that is closest to a traditional unix system, but you do learn a lot... sortof like learning to drive with a standard transmission instead of an automatic. It's also pretty snappy.
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Thanks you for help, expecialy that you dont RTFM'ed me. Actualy I discovered that "startx" and "adduser" earlier. Actualy i use that slack now, dunno how i had done it, but I setup Internet connection for it. Actualy The biggest problem I am finding is libraries. I hate that almost every Linuxoze software requires various interplatformic-libs to additional be downloaded and installed. I find that problem expecialy with graphical/non-console progs. And then i compile those libraries, they spit errors as well (read my first post above). I hoped more inter-distro compatibility from linuxoze ;/
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quote:
Originally posted by DukePuke:
Actualy The biggest problem I am finding is libraries. I hate that almost every Linuxoze software requires various interplatformic-libs to additional be downloaded and installed. I find that problem expecialy with graphical/non-console progs.
You don't have to do this manually.
Slapt-get and Swaret do these for you.
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Originally posted by DukePuke:
And then i compile those libraries, they spit errors as well (read my first post above).
you mean this?
http://www.wxwindows.org/ (http://www.wxwindows.org/)
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Originally posted by DukePuke:
I hoped more inter-distro compatibility from linuxoze ;/
Only very bad software isn't.
If you can't find a compatible package,
you can convert them (or use sources).
PS:Give slapt-get or swaret a try.
;)
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When you have library problems, say you fell victim to "dependency hell." That's the official lingo ;)
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Originally posted by M. O'Brien:
It's also pretty snappy.
Not when your computer has 32MB RAM and your favorite desktop is KDE. :D
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Originally posted by DukePuke:
Thanks you for help, expecialy that you dont RTFM'ed me. Actualy I discovered that "startx" and "adduser" earlier. Actualy i use that slack now, dunno how i had done it, but I setup Internet connection for it. Actualy The biggest problem I am finding is libraries. I hate that almost every Linuxoze software requires various interplatformic-libs to additional be downloaded and installed. I find that problem expecialy with graphical/non-console progs. And then i compile those libraries, they spit errors as well (read my first post above). I hoped more inter-distro compatibility from linuxoze ;/
Good job on the internet setup.
Regarding library dependencies, on my RedHat install, I just told the installer to install everything for this reason.
I stopped using slackware around 1999 but I'd be suprised if it didn't come with most of the libraries you need these days... maybe you just didn't install them?
Guys, my memory is fading. Doesn't slackware have a setup program that can be run after the system is online to add binary packages that were neglected?
The slapt-get thing would be cool too, but he might as well install everything from his CDROMs before downloading new stuff.
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Originally posted by WMD:
Not when your computer has 32MB RAM and your favorite desktop is KDE. :D
Yeah, well there is that (http://smile.gif)
[ March 31, 2004: Message edited by: M. O'Brien ]
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Well actualy I installed Slackware 9.0, which comes *only* with 1 CD lol, and it included KDE and Gnome. So i believe i missed lots of shit, now i suffer of manual installing. Actualy downloaded swaret - it is sweet, now I dont need to fuck around stupid tucows or sourceforge and fight thorough those dump mirror pages just to install stupid lib.
Dunno actualy, Also i got messages while installing app that I need some kind of SDL lib, which i looked thorough swaret I have installed allready.
BTW thanks
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Originally posted by DukePuke:
Dunno actualy, Also i got messages while installing app that I need some kind of SDL lib, which i looked thorough swaret I have installed allready.
try swaret --dep
For SDL:
First install some 3D game using swaret.
This should install most SDL libs for you.
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Guys, my memory is fading. Doesn't slackware have a setup program that can be run after the system is online to add binary packages that were neglected?
pkgtool ;)
[ March 31, 2004: Message edited by: insomnia ]
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Well ok 3d game, maybe you could recomend me some kind of it? Dunno actualy , linuxoze do not owns much games
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Tux Racer
EDIT: Also UT 2004.
[ April 02, 2004: Message edited by: WMD ]
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quote:
Originally posted by WMD:
KDE can (when KDM is being used), and Gnome can do it as well. (http://tongue.gif)
BTW DukePuke: type "startx" and watch the magic. ;)
Actually, every WM does it.
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really? let me fire up a default twm or fvwm config and see if it does.
nope. it doesn't.
desktops may do it... window managers don't.
don't confuse window managers with desktops! too many people do that!
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Man, problems again. during TuxRacer configure got error: Some kind of glx or whatever opengl header file is out of date! Who cares now I am messing thorough lots off sites to solve this problem. Actualy its my mistake, I had to install Mandrake 10, all 4 CD's , I believe all libraries had been placed in my komp
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quote:
Originally posted by DukePuke:
Man, problems again. during TuxRacer configure got error: Some kind of glx or whatever opengl header file is out of date! Who cares now I am messing thorough lots off sites to solve this problem. Actualy its my mistake, I had to install Mandrake 10, all 4 CD's , I believe all libraries had been placed in my komp
Use an RPM (or urpmi).
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dunno, i was directed to install some kind of mesa libraries.compiling now..
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Originally posted by DukePuke:
dunno, i was directed to install some kind of mesa libraries.compiling now..
If you have problems with it, you should use some auto-installer.
PS: what's your video-card?
[ April 02, 2004: Message edited by: insomnia ]
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its some kind integrated via chipset with 8 MB shared memory (please dont laugh much). But BTW its ok for kde and apps, mouse move pretty smooth.
Actualy about those mesa3d libs. I do "make linux", and it compiled shit 5-10 mins, but then i try to "./configure" tuxracer, it STILL prompts i have out-of-date glx.h! And prompt advices me to get those damn libs from mesa3d, man looks like its gonna be cool day
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Originally posted by DukePuke:
its some kind integrated via chipset with 8 MB shared memory (please dont laugh much). But BTW its ok for kde and apps, mouse move pretty smooth.
Actualy about those mesa3d libs. I do "make linux", and it compiled shit 5-10 mins, but then i try to "./configure" tuxracer, it STILL prompts i have out-of-date glx.h! And prompt advices me to get those damn libs from mesa3d, man looks like its gonna be cool day
I doubt if you can play many 3D games with your card.
I'm not a 'gamer' and I don't use mandrake.
Still, I'm sure urpmi should do those things for you.
A friendly Mandrake user(Refalm?) should be able to help you with urpmi.
I only compile stuff on 'Slack'.
I don't find it needed on Fedora and SuSE.
As far as I know, Mandrake should be just as easy.
Good luck. ;)
[ April 02, 2004: Message edited by: insomnia ]
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Originally posted by JimmyJames: GenSTEP Founder:
really? let me fire up a default twm or fvwm config and see if it does.
nope. it doesn't.
desktops may do it... window managers don't.
don't confuse window managers with desktops! too many people do that!
Restin didn't.
Any WM can do that.
You just didn't configure it to work like that.
PS: You whould have to change the runlevels in most distro's.
[ April 02, 2004: Message edited by: insomnia ]
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You just didn't configure it to work like that.
AHA!
Therefore, the option isn't truly valid. You have to KNOW HOW TO DO THAT, don't you? I do believe I said "default install", didn't I? I'm very well aware that you can make it do it. You can do anything in *nix through config files and scripts.
That, however, is not acceptable for an end-user desktop! I know that Slack isn't even trying to be a "friendly desktop" OS, but a geek-paradise mega-configurable, super-duper workstation or server OS.
Know what the best idea ever to happen to Linux on the desktop will be, regarding turning off your computer?
(http://jimmyjames.sytes.net/media/OS4logout.jpg)
THAT WILL BE IT. Choose "Log Out" from Workspace Manager in GenSTEP, and you'll be greeted with a lovely dialog asking if you want to log out, or turn off your computer! Choose "Shut Down" (Power Off is far too literal to give you further choices) and it will ask you if you want to turn it off or restart it!
And all of this is handled in GUI! :-p
BTW... what the Hell is "Linuxoze"
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Variety is a wonderfull thing.
;)
[ April 02, 2004: Message edited by: insomnia ]
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Perhaps... but too much variety I feel, stands in the way of progress.
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quote:
Originally posted by DukePuke:
dunno, i was directed to install some kind of mesa libraries.compiling now..
You do realise you don't have to install everything from source?
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What? If i need mesa3d libraries, of course i compile and install it. Logic
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there is RPM and apt, as well. while not the most technologically elegant things, they're flawless in execution, and very seldom fail. download, and then use a command like
rpm -i nameofpackage.rpm
and it does the rest. I've never used apt, so I've no idea what to say about it... but in my experience, RPM is very reliable. Moreso than compiling everything from scratch!
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I have slack and it has problems with rpms, but looks like I just compiled/installed successfuly, but looks like instalation hasnt affected my glx.h file.
Maybe someone know exact path of linuxoze opengl folder, where those headers is stored? Actualy I could use search f-ion, but its very complicated, and almost hangs up my komp then searching all hdd at once
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first off, it would help if we knew what "linuxoze" was.
Why do you keep calling it that? It is LINUX not "Linuxoze"
So... why do you call it that?
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^ I'd like to know the same thing.
I'm guessing it's a combination of "Linux" and "Windoze." (http://redface.gif)
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sounds like he's panning it. he referred to Outlook as "Outlookoze"
perhaps he thinks that it's proper to append "oze" to software you're not fond of?
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Originally posted by DukePuke:
I have slack and it has problems with rpms, but looks like I just compiled/installed successfuly, but looks like instalation hasnt affected my glx.h file.
Maybe someone know exact path of linuxoze opengl folder, where those headers is stored? Actualy I could use search f-ion, but its very complicated, and almost hangs up my komp then searching all hdd at once
Duke,
StartX, open a terminal, and type
And what onboard graphics chipset do you have? Is it ATI based, Intel i810, Geforce4MX?
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Originally posted by JimmyJames: GenSTEP Founder:
first off, it would help if we knew what "linuxoze" was.
Why do you keep calling it that? It is LINUX not "Linuxoze"
So... why do you call it that?
Attempted l33t H4x0r sp33k maybe?
I dunno.. It's kindof grating though.
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Actualy my graph chipset is written in first line in this disscusion page. (see above). And that command "glxinfo" just dumps Supported opengl strings / extensions, usefull but not what I seeked for (http://smile.gif)
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quote:
Originally posted by DukePuke:
I have slack and it has problems with rpms, but looks like I just compiled/installed successfuly, but looks like instalation hasnt affected my glx.h file.
Maybe someone know exact path of linuxoze opengl folder, where those headers is stored? Actualy I could use search f-ion, but its very complicated, and almost hangs up my komp then searching all hdd at once
Slack uses ".tgz".
Get your packages here:
http://www.linuxpackages.net/ (http://www.linuxpackages.net/)
installpkg blablabla.tgz
You can also do this with Swaret.
For help visit their forum (or just ask it here):
If you want an easier desktop(and have an i686 = pentium II or later), try Dropline.
Installing Dropline:
*Download http://www.dropline.net/gnome/dropline-installer-2.4.3-i686-1dl.tgz (http://www.dropline.net/gnome/dropline-installer-2.4.3-i686-1dl.tgz)
*cd to it's download location.
*As root, type:
# installpkg dropline-installer-2.4.3-i686-1dl.tgz
# dropline-installer
The installer will do everything for you.
Your GNOME desk should know look like this:
http://www.dropline.net/gnome/optical/dropline-9.png (http://www.dropline.net/gnome/optical/dropline-9.png)
All GNOME packages are now optimized for i686.
(makes it faster)
In the menu, click on "update" to keep everything updatet.
Have fun.
[ April 04, 2004: Message edited by: insomnia ]