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Operating Systems => Linux and UNIX => Topic started by: slave on 21 January 2003, 22:07
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I came across a project on sourceforge called slicKer, which aims to replace Kicker. I thought it looked pretty good; more innovative and quite pretty. It's still in the pre-alpha stage, but there are some nice mock-up screenshots showing interaction with little tabs on the bottom of the screen called "kards." Here are some links:
http://slicker.sourceforge.net/ (http://slicker.sourceforge.net/) <-- main page
http://slicker.sourceforge.net/screen.htm (http://slicker.sourceforge.net/screen.htm) <-- screenshots
http://slicker.sourceforge.net/menu.htm (http://slicker.sourceforge.net/menu.htm) <-- flash demonstration
http://slicker.sourceforge.net/compare.htm (http://slicker.sourceforge.net/compare.htm) <-- gui comparision
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Sorry, I dont like gnome. Im a KDE nut. It just seems smoother and looks better in my opinion.
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Originally posted by Linux User #5225982375:
I came across a project on sourceforge called slicKer, which aims to replace Kicker. I thought it looked pretty good; more innovative and quite pretty. It's still in the pre-alpha stage, but there are some nice mock-up screenshots showing interaction with little tabs on the bottom of the screen called "kards." Here are some links:
http://slicker.sourceforge.net/ (http://slicker.sourceforge.net/) <-- main page
http://slicker.sourceforge.net/screen.htm (http://slicker.sourceforge.net/screen.htm) <-- screenshots
http://slicker.sourceforge.net/menu.htm (http://slicker.sourceforge.net/menu.htm) <-- flash demonstration
http://slicker.sourceforge.net/compare.htm (http://slicker.sourceforge.net/compare.htm) <-- gui comparision
You know, I actually like that Desktop. That is the first Linux GUI that I have seen that is worth looking at. I wonder why people pick on my BIASED thoughts.
[ January 24, 2003: Message edited by: X11: Doing YA MUM ]
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it looks... slick! i dig it.
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Originally posted by Zombie9920:
You know, I actually like that WM. That is the first Linux GUI that I have seen that is worth looking at.
....its just KDE.
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Uh, Gnome is slow and buggy. If it was so great, more people would use it.
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Finally, someone takes up the task to make Linux look pretty. I'm happy. (http://smile.gif)
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Originally posted by TheQuirk:
Uh, Gnome is slow and buggy. If it was so great, more people would use it.
Frankly I find KDE to be more bloated and buggy than GNOME these days. The last time I used KDE the menus didn't fade properly, Konqueror refused to adhere to my AA settings, selecting text in Konqueror was slow, clicking a link and then clicking off of it left an ugly artifact on the screen, and so on. I also find the control center way too confusing. Major case of featuritis. I also think GNOME 2 is slightly faster than KDE. Red Hat has really improved it from 1.4.
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great link, definately a looker!
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Originally posted by Linux User #5225982375:
Frankly I find KDE to be more bloated and buggy than GNOME these days. The last time I used KDE the menus didn't fade properly, Konqueror refused to adhere to my AA settings, selecting text in Konqueror was slow, clicking a link and then clicking off of it left an ugly artifact on the screen, and so on. I also find the control center way too confusing. Major case of featuritis. I also think GNOME 2 is slightly faster than KDE. Red Hat has really improved it from 1.4.
I'm comparing Gnome 1.4 to KDE 3.0 (this is what my distro shipped with). From my experience, Gnome stinks /=.
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umm, redhat fucked kde up on version 8.0. and the flag's in the control center of kde, redhat should not have done that. as for a liquid look in kde, check out mosfets work at www.mosfet.org (http://www.mosfet.org) and yes, kde3 is way better then gnome2. everything in kde is more tightly intergrated then gnome will be
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I agree that 1.4 stunk. 2.0 is much better. As far as KDE being screwed up in Red Hat 8.0 it can always be changed if you don't like it, or even just remove KDE and install from kde.org. I mean c'mon, that's what open source is all about. The power to change. All distros customize it in some ways so I don't know what the big fuss is all about over Red Hat (I fussed a little in the beginning but I realize the error of my ways and have since repented). I was a big fan of KDE 3.0 as it is an excellent environment. I've been really happy with Gnome 2 and Bluecurve. But then GUIs in general aren't my thing. To me a GUI is nothing more than a place to hang a few bash terminals. (http://smile.gif)
[ January 22, 2003: Message edited by: void main ]
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you are thinking in a gnome user's way. gtk's menus are a mess. kde on the other hand, has nice menus that remember were i have been so i don't have to go all over the file system when i want to save a file. i just click the pull down menu and click it. and the K menu being a mess, edit it yourself and make it better. and if you are going to ask about trivial featrues, how do i get gnome to change desktop's every minute, how do i get it to zoom icons, how do i get highly intergrated features. if im not incorrect, if they add something to libkde, all kde programs can benifit, like the cups module and the scanner module. however, gnome does keep getting better, and it didn't have the licening issue that kde used to. and it is a damn good example of how software should evolve. instead of getting slower, they made it better and speed this shit up
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everyone knows enlightenment looks the best.
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Now which is easier to write programs for? KDE 3.x(Qt) or GNOME 2.x (GTK2) ?
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Note that all the links should be changed from .html to .php e.g. http://slicker.sourceforge.net/compare.php (http://http:/http://slicker.sourceforge.net/compare.php).
SlicKer looks very promising. The default Kicker is too generic ad windows-like for my tastes. However SlicKer reminds me too much of windowsXp. I welcome the new Kards though as they move from the desktop metaphor.
As for GTK+ vs. Qt for programming, I'd like to hear some opinions. GTK+ seems to be used more than Qt. Generally I find GTK+ apps more responsive than Qt ones.
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As for GTK+ vs. Qt for programming, I'd like to hear some opinions. GTK+ seems to be used more than Qt. Generally I find GTK+ apps more responsive than Qt ones.
Qt is OK, however my preference for programming graphical apps isFOX (http://www.fox-toolkit.org/fox.html). Qt uses what they call the "signals 'n' slots" implementation. What this basically comes down to is a series of call-backs involving a special connector object that holds an array of function pointers. When you click on a Qt widget, the program cycles through all these pointers, looking for the one that matches the signature of the particular "slot" or event handler you need to call. Thus, once the code is written, the die is cast, and there's no way to alter what widget calls which event handler at run time. Not only that, but the Qt implementation requires an additional compilation step,using Qt's "moc" program to remove all the non-C++ declarations before your C++ compiler can do its job. In that regard, Qt is much like Borland's C++Builder. Secondly, any widgets that need to change state in response to user input must be hard-coded.
FOX, OTOH, requires no special declarations, and no special FOX-only compiler. The FOX "Targets 'n' Messages" implementation can be changed at run-time, so your widgets can call a variety of event handlers. State updating is handled automatically as FOX widgets can send messages both ways: to the main app to notify about state changes, and to query the app about any state changes that may need to be made. This results in faster code, smaller executables, and very little hard-coding required to force a widget from one state to another. FOX isn't as easy to use as there's no GUI designer like Qt Designer, so all coding has to be done by the developer. So you invest in some good pencils, and a pad of quad paper, NBD. Since giving FOX a go, I haven't touched Qt Designer or KDevelop at all.
Besides, FOX apps are just plain better-looking. :D
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