Stop Microsoft
Operating Systems => Linux and UNIX => Topic started by: slave on 12 August 2002, 18:56
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Microsoft is going to get laughed at on the server end with Palladium!
Click here (http://www.ofb.biz/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=152)
[ August 13, 2002: Message edited by: Ex Eleven / b0b ]
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the only way that is going to happen is with palladium, and a few ILLEGAL menuvers.
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Microsoft crushing linux on the server end?
yeah right ....
and now for the latest news:
hells temperature reached an all time low last night with just -2 degrees celcius
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Awww.. does XP User need some attention again? I haven't been here long, but it's obvious that you come here just to get your kicks out of pissing Linux fanatics off. Enjoy your Xpoo because as long as there's immature idiots like you out there, Microsoft will have their shoddy software waiting for you.
As for the server thing, it's just another M$ scheme for more money. They've never made anything secure and reliable, so why should we believe they will now?
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You can dismiss the evidence, but you'll be sorry when Microsoft uses its desktop advantage over Linux to standardize its closed protocols. Then only palladium-based systems will be able to interface with palladium-based clients.
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nah, palliudiums tco is proabably going to be too freaking high anyway. and people won't use it
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Originally posted by Windows XP User #5225982375:
You can dismiss the evidence, but you'll be sorry when Microsoft uses its desktop advantage over Linux to standardize its closed protocols. Then only palladium-based systems will be able to interface with palladium-based clients.
Okay.. And you can dismiss the evidence, but you'll be sorry when a hacker finds all of your personal info in .NET and when you find out that your freedom of choice has been compromised by Microsoft's monopoly.
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Did you even read the article?
Even if Linux is better than Windows on the server end or has a lower tco that won't matter because Microsoft is going to create a secure desktop that can only interface with palladium enabled servers. The result is that they will quickly gain just as much of a market share on the server end as they have on the desktop end (about 95%)
Linux advocates should be shaking in their boots. Bill Gates is very competitive (have you ever read the book Hard Drive? Bill Gates has thwarted every entity that has endangered Microsoft (Lotus, Digital Research, Apple, the US govt.) Linux is a threat to his company, and Bill Gates isn't going to take it lying down. He's already plotted how to destroy Linux, and it's only a matter of time before he makes his move)
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And in doing so, he will go right out of business. That would be far more anticompetitive/illegal than anything he has already done. You had better hope your daddy comes to his senses or risk losing everything....
[ August 12, 2002: Message edited by: VoidMain ]
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Im a slave!
[ August 14, 2002: Message edited by: Ex Eleven / b0b ]
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No shit, even you admit he can't win fair and square. It'll never fly. If it does it's the end of M$. So I guess maybe I should be pulling for it.
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Microsoft exists as a monopoly, or it doesn't exist at all. You do realize that, don't you? Bill Gates can't have Linux eating up his market share now can he?
I hope Microsoft does prevail because Linux is to shoddy to use and Macs are gay and expensive.
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I agree that M$ exists only as a monopoly. That's why their days are numbered. You might as well switch now XP Luser so you can get used to the brighter future.
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Originally posted by Windows XP User #5225982375:
I hope Microsoft does prevail because Linux is to shoddy to use and Macs are gay and expensive.
ok mr not so very intelligent, the meaning of the word gay:
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1. Excited with merriment; manifesting sportiveness or
delight; inspiring delight; livery; merry.
Belinda smiled, and all the world was gay. --Pope.
Gay hope is theirs by fancy fed. --Gray.
2. Brilliant in colors; splendid; fine; richly dressed.
Why is my neighbor's wife so gay? --Chaucer.
A bevy of fair women, richly gay In gems and wanton
dress! --Milton.
3. Loose; dissipated; lewd. [Colloq.]
Syn: Merry; gleeful; blithe; airy; lively; sprightly,
sportive; light-hearted; frolicsome; jolly; jovial;
joyous; joyful; glad; showy; splendid; vivacious.
Gay \Gay\, n.
An ornament [Obs.] --L'Estrange.
so you think that macs inspire delight?
lol ... dumbass
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LOL. Thats funny.
YOU MORON XPSHIT. Thats not being better, thats being a dick.
If MS wins with this, it wont be because he has better technology, it will be because of Bill's paranoid delusional thinking. It will be because FEW people will have total control of what we have in our computers.
I take it you dont read much history btw huh. Figures. Read some Thoukididis and see what am talking about.
You moron. People like you that are willing to streach their head to a higher authority BLINDLY keep our society down. People that are LAZY like you dumbass.
[ August 12, 2002: Message edited by: bazoukas ]
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Well, you may mock the guy, but he has a serious point here. If they figure how to do it right (and they very well might - what MS lacks in programming skills they make up in marketing skills), they might very well pull it off. I read some freaky horror stories on the register and similar pages about it.
Of course there are many ways in which this could backfire. But if it works, you might find your Linux/Mac (perhaps)/BSD/whatever machine incapable with all windows machines. And buisinesses WILL swich if they find out that 98% of their consumers have problems reaching them because they have a palladium OS.
And bazoukas: your right. If they win this way, it won't be because of better technology. Ok, partially right - Gates isn't paranoid and delusional. He'll win by marketing and monopoly power. But he'll win.
It may or may not be illegal, but I'd hate to let the US governement decide about that one.
So stop flamefesting with the XP troll and do something about it.
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Originally posted by DC:
It may or may not be illegal, but I'd hate to let the US governement decide about that one.
So stop flamefesting with the XP troll and do something about it.
You got a good point there!
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Originally posted by Windows XP User #5225982375:
Microsoft exists as a monopoly, or it doesn't exist at all. You do realize that, don't you? Bill Gates can't have Linux eating up his market share now can he?
You little bitchass fuck! M$ has monopoly (which will collapse in 3-4 years to come) only in terms of desktop environment. M$ has lot to do if it wants to infect majority of internet servers with its' fuckware. I believe that your demigod billie boy suffers from well developed mental disorder.
The plot goes actually like this:
G-man want's to pull palladium thru because that way he ensures that m$ won't cause any more trouble to internet users except for the likes of you XPmoron. Happy internetting after palladium because then you have glorious number of few thousand m$ "fuckyou" servers taking care of m$ worshipping needs while every other (non m$) user will enjoy free and entertaining surfing without fear that they may end up on m$ site/server while browsing the web. :D Did you get the point?
m$ wants its own sandbox to play and not share it with anyone. m$ can't have the whole internet so the only way it can survive is to create so closed, controlled and restricted system (small but still) that m$ can set boundaries for without any interference or pressure from legislative system or software business.
m$ ensnares and bewitches its dickware users into degenerating lullaby making them believe that there is nothing worth of knowing outside of m$ palladium world as it tries to do the same right know with this xPiss OS. That's the plot.. You xpIdiot are an perfect example of naive, leadable human being. You consume all the lies fed by m$ and you are happy about it. Fine.
You and many acolytes will follow m$ into oblivion (to the end of m$) and while doing that you fail to acknowlidge that more and more people are turning their backs to m$ because of this and serious malpractises in software business.
Happy surfing.. ;)
[ August 13, 2002: Message edited by: SingleMalt ]
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Here's what's gonna happen to Billy:
http://www.kimble.org/kimmovie/kimble_themovie.swf (http://www.kimble.org/kimmovie/kimble_themovie.swf)
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And you think that his global domination is a good thing.. you make me sick, we know this... and thats why im here, and the other members of this forum... But linux always pulls thru... Microsoft Pallidum has compition www.dotgnu.info (http://www.dotgnu.info) and If this happens i will personally form a terrist group and kill off Microsoft. If Microsoft get all the compition then you and us will be screwed because the US gov't are a bunch of fags. They wont do anything because democracys are currupts, as long as M$ keeep sliping a few $'s into the DOJ they will continue. Which is why they must be stoped!
Ain't nothing wrong with that. I'd just reccomend waiting 3 years after Pallidums inception, then decide your course of action. (http://smile.gif)
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um.....XP dude said that this palladium thing will destroy Linux because Palladium servers only work with Palladium clients. FYI, incase you have no already noticed this, most servers (including websites) are on Solaris or some other form of POSIX based OS/kernel. look at major websites, master servers for things like games as well as proxies for companies and you will find that all of them are Unix. if you don't believe me about the website thing, go to http://netcraft.com (http://netcraft.com) and lookup all of your favourite websites, at least 75% of them will be non-windows based and i bet my life on that.
Netcraft is on FreeBSD
Internet.com (company that owns lots of websites) is on Solaris
WindowsXPUser.com (owned by internet.com) runs on RedHat Linux
hardporn.com runs on Linux, hell i had to throw in a non technical site somewhere ;)
tomshardware.com is on FreeBSD
linuxsucks.org is on Linux
this site is on FreeBSD
PHP.net is on Linux
OReilly.com is on Linux (my favourite book publisher)
Oprah.com is on Solaris, lol i had to throw in Oprah ;)
the only sites i can think of which runs on Windows is Anandtech.com and Windows.com/Microsoft.com
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Originally posted by DC:
Well, you may mock the guy, but he has a serious point here. If they figure how to do it right (and they very well might - what MS lacks in programming skills they make up in marketing skills), they might very well pull it off. I read some freaky horror stories on the register and similar pages about it.
Of course there are many ways in which this could backfire. But if it works, you might find your Linux/Mac (perhaps)/BSD/whatever machine incapable with all windows machines. And buisinesses WILL swich if they find out that 98% of their consumers have problems reaching them because they have a palladium OS.
And bazoukas: your right. If they win this way, it won't be because of better technology. Ok, partially right - Gates isn't paranoid and delusional. He'll win by marketing and monopoly power. But he'll win.
It may or may not be illegal, but I'd hate to let the US governement decide about that one.
So stop flamefesting with the XP troll and do something about it.
maybe M$'s shennanigans might work in the US (cause the representatives of the people there are more like the bitches of the corporations) but this would definitely *not* stick in our country...
Furthermore a lot of companies are more and more looking for ways to escape M$'s upgrade stranglehold, this will only even help.
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Originally posted by Chooco:
the only sites i can think of which runs on Windows is Anandtech.com and Windows.com/Microsoft.com
i think you forgot taliban.com
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Originally posted by BadKarma:
maybe M$'s shennanigans might work in the US (cause the representatives of the people there are more like the bitches of the corporations) but this would definitely *not* stick in our country...
Err... we are now controlled by the CDA, LPF and VVD. Guess on which side they are, the masses or the corporations.
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X11
Most of the servers are running some kind of Unix, which in the way of servers is supirior of Windows. Because Unix can handle kaboodles of users at one time. Also Unix was designed to be secure. Windows was not!
Stick to the point will ya. This is about palladium, not about Win vs Unix.
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The smart admins use Unix... check the Web Server Survey
In case you didn't notice, smart admins don't always make decisions on networking. If marketing sees that 98% of their (desktop) customers want them to swich platform, then it won't be a difficult decision for them when their servers need replacing. Certainly not with MS representatives talking in to them.
Reality check: corporate decisions are rarely decided by mere product superiority. If they were, would't all corporations use Unix now? (. Maybe most of them on the server area do that, but not all. And it's much worse on the corporate desktops).
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Originally posted by DC:
Reality check: corporate decisions are rarely decided by mere product superiority. If they were, would't all corporations use Unix now? (. Maybe most of them on the server area do that, but not all. And it's much worse on the corporate desktops).
A lot of companies are looking for alternatives to M$'s new licensing scheme. About 60% of all (questioned) IT managers iirc. If so many companies are looking for alternatives for the licensing, how many would look for alternatives when this, which completely, utterly and unrevocably locks them in a really small closet with microsoft arrives? Microsoft isn't exactly known for their secure and bugfree software either....
The software industry is also relatively young, a lot of guidelines set for other industries (like car manufacturers) just don't exist for software manufactures. Let us look at the EULA's and draw a little analogy:
What if you bought a car and you got an agreement that you could use the car but not actually call it your own. And if you lost your keys three times you would have to buy a new car. However, when the brakes fail the company who produced it ofcourse dismisses all responsibility and you end up paying for whatever accident you caused, there is also no warranty ofcourse, so when it breaks you're on your own. And if you actually wanted to resell the car ... boy are you in for a ride.
Opening up the car too see what's under the hood would be a criminal offence and could get you in jail and they would reposess your car (oh wait, it wasn't your car anyway ;) ).
I think you can see my point ;)
(and this kind of stuff just won't fly here in holland, and if it does, I'd actually consider going into politics ;) )
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I don't really think our current cabinet is going to reach a full 4 years. Somehow I don't see this happening, the LPF are just too inexperienced and bound to fuck up bigtime. And if that happend and there is an election, you can kiss the LPF goodbye....
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[ August 13, 2002: Message edited by: BadKarma ]
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ex eleven, even though I strongly dislike xp luser and don't agree with his opninions it is NOT ok for you to change posts of his you don't agree with.
please restrain yourself in the future, or let someone more responsible moderate....
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I like it! That's one tactic to get rid of him that hasn't been tried. Maybe it just might work. 99.9% of the time I agree with Karma but my vote is to continue editing...
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Maybe Red Hat has already taken a hint, look at this:
LinuxWorld Expo: Red Hat preparing desktop Linux (http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/02/08/13/020813hnredlimbo.xml)
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Originally posted by Chooco:
the only sites i can think of which runs on Windows is Anandtech.com and Windows.com/Microsoft.com
Originally posted by Lt. Reliability of the Redmond Army
i think you forgot taliban.com[/qb]
actually no, according to Netcraft, taliban.com runs on Linux
http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?mode_u=off&mode_w=on&site=taliban.com (http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?mode_u=off&mode_w=on&site=taliban.com)
[ August 13, 2002: Message edited by: Chooco ]
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That's because the "good guys" own it now. When the real Taliban owned it, it ran on Windows. In case you haven't noticed it is now a spoof site.
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thank you BadKarma; I was about to dissolve into a rant. XP User posts crap 90% of the time, but i STRONGLY dissagree with the censorship bit. If you want to censor content on the internet, x-11, sign up for the TCPA herd.
http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html)
http://www.anti-dmca.org/DRM-OS.html (http://www.anti-dmca.org/DRM-OS.html)
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Then just exactly what *is* the purpose of a moderator if not to censor? Seems odd they would include such a feature in the software.
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The world hates Palladium:
Out of 620 Polled (All knew what Palladium is): 57% thinks that Palladium is "a Microsoft monopoly-extension attempt" While only 3% thought that Palladium is "a way to protect sensitive information & stop viruses".
Eat shit and die M$
BTW: XP Looser: Your nick makes no sense. You claim to be XP User #5,225,982,375. Nowhere near 5 trillion copies of XP will ever be sold. So fuck you, and your anti-MS BS. Would you pay for $1000 for an M$ OS? That's what would happen if M$ had no competition.
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Uh, that would be 5 billion. (http://smile.gif) But considering there was only claims of 7 million copies sold in November, I think that 5 billion is an overstatement to say the least. Especially since there are only 6 billion people on this earth.
[ August 14, 2002: Message edited by: VoidMain ]
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A moderator should censor abusive content, not alternate opinions... It's no good blaming the programmer for making a product that could be used to censor an opinion.... Besides, that post did have something to say. Not having the post at hand makes for a difficult argument; so i guess i'll just have to make it up as i go along.
If 85% of the costumers out there use windoze on the desktop, and microsoft breaks a standard needed for purchaes, do you expect the business to just ignore 85% of the market? The best-of-both-worlds solution (having a windoz server front end for compatiblity and a *nix server for the real work) will fail when microsoft decides to become backward incompatible (again) with anything else but its next os. All microsoft has to do is copyright it's next file system + encryption model, and make software that doesn't share files or data. Any attempt at curcumvention will be prosecuted under the DMCA.
so; if Linux doesn't get it's desktop act together, microsoft will crush Linux on the server end....
but the good news is that micro$soft may have dropped the ball;
<--- snip http://www.iht.com/articles/67401.html (http://www.iht.com/articles/67401.html) ---->
"I heard from a lot of state, municipal and federal government agencies as well as schools," [Didio] said. "They were coming back to Microsoft and saying: 'Can you spell Linux? We can't afford your software.'"
<---- snip snip ---->
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Such respect I have for this forum's diehard willingness to not censor! /claps
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uhm, i didn't read the article. i have a funny feeling it will be full of nonsense.
anyways, the XP User #insert-numbers-here needs to know that Linux itself will never die. Linux has many distro's, supported by many companies. also, the chance of Linux users going to Windows is pretty rare too. Mac, BeOS, and Linux users have one thing in common: they use the OS they have because they actually fucking like it.
if you visit CNET and look on the WindowsXP reviews, only 55% gave it a thumbs up (that was the last time i checked).
need i say more? Linux will NEVER die.
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yes i noticed that taliban.com was a gag site.......was it actually owned by the taliban before though?
btw, some guy at anandtech posted the link to the website of Sadam (Iraqi leader). did anybody get that link? does anybody know it?
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http://www.fuckmicrosoft.com/news-archive.shtml (http://www.fuckmicrosoft.com/news-archive.shtml)
and its fucking talibanonline.com not taliban.com that is running microsoft and is/was owned by the taliban!!!
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Yes, it was a pro-taliban web site running on Windows. If you would have looked at the site on or before 9/11/2001 you would have seen that taliban content. It was shut down very soon after 9/11 and now is a spoof site.
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damn i wish i could have seen it :(
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Originally posted by Master of Reality / Bob:
http://www.fuckmicrosoft.com/news-archive.shtml (http://www.fuckmicrosoft.com/news-archive.shtml)
and its fucking talibanonline.com not taliban.com that is running microsoft and is/was owned by the taliban!!!
You are correct! Memory cells are in bad shape, especially with a belly full of the devil's brew...
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OK, let's look at it this way.
How long has it taken to crack 99% of Microshit's other products. I am willing to bet that a normal x86 omputer could emulate a Pallium within a month or so of Pallium's release.
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no it can't. do some reading. (will the shameless promotions never cease???) ~ T C P A () ; (http://www.angelfire.com/realm/beltorak/ttcpad)
but put basically, the ecryption / decryption engine as well as the key will be part of the silicon on the cpu. The only foreseeable hack would be to break the encryption it uses, and if they choose a sufficiently strong one (~256 byte key (PGP uses 1024)) it becomes infeasable to crack for everyday use.
you might get lucky.
once.
-t.
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ummmm, dude, come on, our first president grew dope for gods sake, and he a saying that siad grow the wonderful hemp plant. then when a major corperation is threated by the stuff, the governemnt banns marijauna, what makes you think that these same bastards won't ban freesoftware cuase ms is threatend. our government is beyond hope. what are the sallerys like in canada, and how much is housing, like apartments, or cheap homes.
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that's where i can help you. only 2 provinces in canada actually make money, Alberta and Ontario. you're welcome in Alberta if you want (http://smile.gif)
jobs in alberta: LOTS
housing: middle i guess, a nice house in the suburbs costs like $200,000 (about $140,000 US)
salaries are sort of crappy here in Canada but a lot of stuff is cheap such as doctors and stuff like that. you can pickup perscription drugs for less than a 5 bucks, insurance covers the rest ;)
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what about laws, am i allowed to own a gun in canada/*one of the things the us got right in the first place, but are screwing up right now*/, what about linux jobs, i don't want to support windows systems. also what about the langauge, i only speek english and a bit of broken german, do you have to know french up there?
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a house out of the city in canada or in a small town costs about $80,000 - $110,000. Of course you can have guns in canada, only handguns need to be registered (for now). Rifles were supposed to be registered in jan 2000 or somethin but nobody registered by december so the government backed down and said that jan 2003 they will need to be registered, but no one is gonna register because they know that jean chretian is evil and wants to take away guns (he's probly afraid of being assasinated because no one likes him). Chicks can walk around topless in ontario, the most likely place to see topless chicks is the beaches though. Of course there is always the nude beach in toronto. Then there is the canadian tv, i got regular cable and there is two porn movies on right now (both canadian channels of course).
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Dude, you'll love Canada. For one thing, Canada has alot more untouched wilderness then America. The other thing is that Canada has 1/10th the people. Mind you, at least 80% of the population lives within 200km of the border, but that's still reasonable.
You also get a priminister who had a cream pie thrown at his face during an apperance(seriously).
As for substance abuse, marijuanna is somewhat tolerated (not legal yet) by the piggys(RCMP). You can also get the best marijuanna in the world for good prices, of course you have to be in British Columbia for that. (http://smile.gif)
Then there's beer, of course I hate beer so that doesn't matter to me.
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My son and I were out all day today "touching" wilderness on our dirt bikes. I bet there's plenty of good riding up there. Might have to make a trip north...
[ August 19, 2002: Message edited by: VoidMain ]
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yeah, cuase as soon as i am 18 or can afford it, i want to move away from the land of the dmca, senator hollings, hilary rosen, president bush, and all the other bad parts of our government.
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few things about Canada
-the socialist government is unstopable, socialism is getting stronger and stronger it seems....
-you can not buy guns without registering them BUT you can bring guns here without registering them. you cannot buy bullets without a firearms license BUT if you get a native indian to buy them for you, that is the loophole (along with cheap indian prices, no tax). to buy a handgun you must have a special license (sort of understandable since you can conseal them easily)
-you only need to know french if you live in Quebec (a have not province)
yes you can get good Unix/Linux jobs here
here is what monster.ca found for the word 'Unix' in Alberta http://jobsearch.monster.ca/jobsearch.asp?brd=1&cy=CA&lid=225&q=unix (http://jobsearch.monster.ca/jobsearch.asp?brd=1&cy=CA&lid=225&q=unix)
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i did a search for C++ in Alberta, look at the last job listed, smile (http://smile.gif)
http://jobsearch.monster.ca/jobsearch.asp?brd=1&cy=CA&lid=225&q=C%2B%2B (http://jobsearch.monster.ca/jobsearch.asp?brd=1&cy=CA&lid=225&q=C%2B%2B)
[ August 19, 2002: Message edited by: Chooco ]
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Originally posted by lazygamer:
You can also get the best marijuanna in the world for good prices, of course you have to be in British Columbia for that. (http://smile.gif)
I seriously doubt that :rolleyes:
(best MJ in the world that is)
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to be exact... Lazygamer lives in Vancouver. Join Bob!!!
[ August 19, 2002: Message edited by: Master of Reality / Bob ]