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Operating Systems => Linux and UNIX => Topic started by: Friend on 22 March 2002, 15:56
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Hey ppl, im friends with cyrax-, he's actually a linux person and after reading some of the replies, yous are nice ppl here and i am sorry for any trouble that came as a result of my friends comments...
he's just messin' around, one thing is for sure, we cant bag *nix systems as they are very stable, stability is a result of having no GUI thou, windows provides jobs for us in the future when we have to fix email for ppl every 2 sec, see, if it wasnt for the GUI, there wouldn't be an industry for us to work in...
so remember pplz, even thou M$ will continue to screw most of us and the rest of the public for some years to come, without it, we would all be unemployed...lets face it, we all started with MS, even thou i hate it personally...xp really sux, ME was a fuken mistake...
anywayz, sorry again pplz...
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no need to apologise! i can tell cyrax was just joking! (maybe because i'm always having my sarcastic comments misinterpreted myself!)
on the subject of unix guis though, my linux redhat7 has a lot more GUI than what my winME does! that's because i'm frightened to change the crappy GUI on windows incase it falls on its arse again! :(
The stability of a system is based on a bunch of things. my linux system is a little bit more fast and efficient and stable et c than my windows installation but that's because i just got it and don't know what's in its guts yet! i am sure there are endless things i can fix to make it all work better...
Thanks for joining us btw Friend, look forward to yr posts (and cyrax's!)
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ho ho! do you think cyrax was just trying to prove he has friends?
seriously though, cyrax's comments seem to me to be harmless, mostly, he is just spouting shit out of his arse, like gooseberry clock. it wastes people's time reading it, but at least he is not flooding the forums and attaching a stupic big signature graphic like clock!
most if not all of what cyrax says is bullshit and i'm sure most of us know that, and those who don't won't be told no matter how many times you explain it to them, so why worry? still, you seem to have a vendetta about cyrax, just like i did about clock, so go for it ;)
Plus, top marks for using the word "cunt" in a post, i think (although i might be wrong) that you are the first person to do so! :D
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Cyrax- is on cable, im on dial up, check the IP's if you have access and see it changed when im on, his is constant...
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lmao, ripped, someone got ripped, script kiddy, hehe...
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Originally posted by Friend:
lmao, ripped, someone got ripped, script kiddy, hehe...
what are you talking about? i don't understand a word of what you just said?
i thought you were apologising?
how old are you and cyrax anyway?
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Haha. Its Cyrax trying not to sound like the preteen newbiefied, microsoft-bumming turd that he is!
HOHO!
Im going to go away and make a big post about how shit linux is and then im going to make a new account and pretend im his mate (what mate?!?!?) saying hes a linux-user (Hell he uses XP isnt that enough)...
MWAAAAH
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stability is a result of having no GUI thou
wtf? ahh oh no! WindowMaker has a GUI! It must be unstable! I've only had it on 186426 days - I hope it doesnt crash soon!
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Ahh WindowsRG - the classic badly-done flash anim.
However I completely disagree with you on linux people not liking flash - bollocks! Just cos we use linux doesnt mean we have no sense of humour - uits an OS not a cult!
For instance I recently made a rather stupid winamp flash (http://ww.switch7.net/winamp.html). Yeah yeah - now your gonan say "Winamp sucks - XMMS is so much better"
Well where did XMMS come from? The minds of people wanting to make an exact clone of the original, well-designed Windows
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WindowMaker has a GUI! It must be unstable! I've only had it on 186426 days - I hope it doesnt crash soon!
so you've had it for 510 years>?
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figures
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actually winamp sucks just as much as winamp,
on that note, does anybody know of a decent mpg123 frontend that will do all the stuff xmms does, but will kill its processes properly?
ta.......
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Originally posted by Calum:
actually winamp sucks just as much as winamp,
on that note, does anybody know of a decent mpg123 frontend that will do all the stuff xmms does, but will kill its processes properly?
ta.......
winamp sucks as much as winamp????
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well firstly, winamp does suck as much as winamp!
but i actually meant xmms sucks as much as winamp.
I'm always doing that, like saying that windows is nowhere near as bad as windows et cetera!
I usually catch it before somebody reads it though!
anyway, now we've cleared that up, any suggetions for a mpg123 frontend that will support dropping in in the middle of songs, and also using m3u and pls playlists? and will shut down it's processes properly?
(or does xmms do this okay now? i have an old copy you see...)
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Hey everybody,
yes... its me again and X11, "friend" isn't "cyrax" , maybe you should take your little tools back to where they came from because you are wrong you pathetic little worm. Calum, im happy you knew that i havn't been serious about all the comments i have made, they have given me and my friend some good laughs, i hope they gave you some too! X11 the only reason the IP's would have been the same is because my "friend" would have posted from the same place that i work. Get yourself straight young man. Friend was exactly right about saying that we would be all unemployed if Windows wasn't around. All large networks are based on windows, admit it. linux is great for the non user based area, including routers, proxy servers and so on. Windows 2000 is very stable although i have to admit XP is over decorated and it just seems to get slower and slower as time goes by. I have nothing against linux or unix, it can save hundreds of thousands of dollars in licensing compared to windows, but theres downsides. If your a linux administrator that means you have to monitor it 24\7 , which means that your going to be one of those weirdos who sits on the computer all day long waiting for some little man with a big head and an exploit to come along and root the system, thats not the type of person i want to be. im outta here to go an etch a a picture of tux onto the window in my case.
BYE
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ah yes,
I use XP on my laptop because it was designed for XP. if i tried to put linux on it i would have so much conflict problems i would end up taking it out to the garage and hitting it with a hammer and chisel. i use windows 2000 advanced server on my main pc and i have a linux box connected to the net and everything else connects to the linux box.
once again get your story straight little man
;)
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Huh? I have computers (Linux computers) to do my 24x7 monitoring for me. In fact they even monitor all the Windows servers. They know when the hard drives are getting full, they know when there are critical messages in the event logs. They know when the processors are maxed out. They know when a service is down. They know when there is a router problem. They know if someone is trying to hack the firewall. They page the appropriate admins to fix their little Windows problems when they occur. They graph the traffic on all the router interfaces. They know when viruses are being passed around the network, they know when John Q. Public is surfing porn. And they still find time to act as Windows NT File and Print servers.
Tools I use for the above:
http://www.netsaint.org/ (http://www.netsaint.org/)
http://www.bb4.com/ (http://www.bb4.com/)
http://www.mrtg.org/ (http://www.mrtg.org/)
http://www.snort.org/ (http://www.snort.org/)
http://www.cert.org/kb/acid/ (http://www.cert.org/kb/acid/)
http://www.samba.org/ (http://www.samba.org/)
And guess what? All for only the cost of the hardware. Maybe you could make a difference in your company by getting rid of some of those M$ servers and saving them a bundle. You might even get a promotion.
[ May 31, 2002: Message edited by: VoidMain ]
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i have nothing against linux voidman, it is just not appropriate for a network of over 1000 xp laptops, get my drift?
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Who would have a network of over 1000 XP laptops? It's approapriate for me with 2500 NT workstations and over 200 NT servers. I would imagine it would be just as appropriate for your network.
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oh and isn't it a shame that BB4 is available on NT4 and 2000 platforms.
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Why would that be a shame?
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2500 NT workstations eh? i thought you people despised windows
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oh and mrtg is available on windows too.
its a shame because you say u use all those linux tools and their sooo good they do everything for you and yet their available on windows.
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That's WHY I despise M$. Especially when it's M$ audit time. I also have around 50 Sun servers and about 200 Linux servers. The NT population is going down and the Linux population is rising. Not as fast as I would like, but it's a steady pace.
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Originally posted by cyrax-:
oh and mrtg is available on windows too.
its a shame because you say u use all those linux tools and their sooo good they do everything for you and yet their available on windows.
Why would that be a shame? Have you ever run either of them on Windows, and then run them on Linux? I can't imagine that anyone would *want* to run them on Windows but that's what makes open source so cool. It doesn't leave *anyone* out, unlike proprietary companies...
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please tell me what is wrong with windows 2000 advanced server and NT besides the fact that it costs money?
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I happen to be running 2000 Advanced Server on my laptop under VMware (don't use it as my desktop OS, just for testing/development purposes).
First let me say that 2000 is probably M$'s best OS. But it still has all of the limitations of all of the other M$ oses. It costs money. It's closed source. It's susceptible to viruses. IIS sucks. Automation of administration tasks is an extreme pain in the ass. You still have to reboot whenever you install many apps even though that was supposed to be history. Doesn't come with a compiler. Command line sucks. UNIX is MUCH easier for automation so I don't have to spend so many hours at the office.
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isn't it a shame that xmms, KDE, GNOME, Enlightenment, and so on are not available for windows? i don't think so, who cares? Also, may i just say (as an example) that "ipconfig", a DOS tool, is no longer included with win2000 or XP. Useless.
Microsoft spend all their time making sure their product is incompatible with anything except certain versions of windows. They spend little effort (seemingly) on development, and by that i mean debugging.
Also, their closed source model enables bugs to quite happily reside inside Microsoft's products for years, sometimes indefinitely. The longer life of bugs in a closed source piece of software means that there will be a much higher number of bugs present at any given time, and because of the limited number of "developers, developers, developers... et c" (if they are doing their job they are really debuggers), less work gets done.
Let's not even mention the fact that those developers are on a salary and so they have no personal stake, financially or emotionally, in how good a program works in the end.
Compare this with an environment in which as many developers are welcome on a project as want to be on it, and everybody doing the work is doing so solely because of a personal interest in their work.
Economics suggests that it is in Microsoft's interests to produce nonworking and soon to be obsolete products since those products will happily be replaced by those who paid for them once, and always at a high price. It's planned obsolescence, a well known phenomenon of a capitalist economic environment. quote:
Originally posted by cyrax-:
i have nothing against linux voidman, it is just not appropriate for a network of over 1000 xp laptops, get my drift?
your drift is going in a completely nonsensical and erratic direction. The first half of your first (31st May) recent post is alright, but then you drivel off into moronity again, seriously, all you do is talk shit, it's not even the shit that a real dumbass would say, so you are obviously making it up.
When this forum first started, we got a lot of pro windows morons but this recent rash of fake dumbasses, who are obviously just shit stirrers really get my goat. Are you all Microsoft employees or what? what's the motivation for pretending to be a dumbass online while hiding behind a stupid fake name?
PS, and re: your earliest post from today, learn about paragraphs before you bother posting, please.
[ May 31, 2002: Message edited by: Calum ]
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Ah, IPCONFIG IS included with windows 2k and XP, its there in place of winipcfg. (http://smile.gif) and windows 2000 datacenter supports 8 cpu's (http://smile.gif)
Calum, i thought you knew i was joking? relax
peace
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I Fuck dogs everyday and horces
[ May 31, 2002: Message edited by: X11 ]
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X11 why waste your time finding out what an idiot is from dictionary.com or something, that just shows how much of an idiot YOU are.
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A definition of X11, Calum, M0r, and all others i worship............
[ May 31, 2002: Message edited by: X11 ]
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Fucktard - n.
1. A fucking retard. usually someone lacking in intelligence and/or personality.
usage - "You are such a fucktard sometimes!"
2. A person who has sexual intercourse with a mentally challenged person.
3. A mentally challenged person with whom sexual intercourse is had.
4. You are probably one of the above. Add up all the mentally challenged persons with whom you have had sex to find out which. If you can't count that high, you are the tard.