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Operating Systems => macOS => Topic started by: Bill_Gates on 28 November 2001, 12:04
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i like macs, i have one of the flowery ones.. purty
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yeah you are also homo. so whats that say?
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lol - you were told Bill ;)
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I know you are, but what am I?
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Originally posted by Bill_Gates:
I know you are, but what am I?
(http://tongue.gif)
Well, Bill, I'll tell ya....
We did like your $150 million!
:D
MACS RULE! OS X ROCKS! :D
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Yes, OSX. Would an OS by any other name smell as sweet? Friggin' awesome to have nix at the base of the stack.
This is the future.
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128 bit bus you say???
suprised to see pcs are still in the 32 bits
fire wire cables u say???
macs need to work on their clock speed ;(
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The old mac mice are bitches. (http://tongue.gif)
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Originally posted by hook:
macs need to work on their clock speed ;(
Well, two things: First, you can't compare mhz ratings between two unrelated chip families. Now even AMD is using this defense because their Athlons are at lower clock speeds than P4s. But we all know which chip is faster. (Hint: Starts with "A" and ends with "n".)
Same principle applies to PowerPC G3/G4, etc. Just because the fastest G4 on the market now is 867 mhz, it does NOT mean it's half the speed of the fastest P4. In audio/video applications, in fact, it's right there with the fastest P4s, and in some areas, considerably faster.
Second thing: If The Register and various rumor sites are correct, the G5 comes out in a month or two. They've tested it at speeds up to 2.4 Ghz, but the guess is that it'll be introduced at 1.2, 1.4, and 1.6 Ghz. It's going to be a 64-bit chip, and the G5 boxen are going to have 400 mhz buses, use RDRAM, next-generation FireWire (twice the speed of the current one), and USB2. These things, ladies and gentlemen, are going to RIP SHIT.
After all, it wasn't for shits and giggles that Alias|Wavefront ported Maya to OS X. Apple obviously must've had some discussions with them about their future plans and convinced them it would be VERY much worth their while . . .
These next few months promise to be quite interesting.
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Originally posted by The Webmaster:
Well, two things: First, you can't compare mhz ratings between two unrelated chip families..
well, there must be some sort of formula to figure out their relation, no?
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Second thing: If The Register and various rumor sites are correct, the G5 comes out in a month or two. They've tested it at speeds up to 2.4 Ghz, but the guess is that it'll be introduced at 1.2, 1.4, and 1.6 Ghz. It's going to be a 64-bit chip, and the G5 boxen are going to have 400 mhz buses, use RDRAM, next-generation FireWire (twice the speed of the current one), and USB2. These things, ladies and gentlemen, are going to RIP SHIT.
how much do you think these are going to cost -- sounds like it'll rip a hole in a mans' wallet.
and rdram is expensive, greatly due to the hefty royalties charged by rambus.
usb is real slow; what's usb2 about?
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MAC OS X RULES YOU ALL!
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Originally posted by Ben:
MAC OS X RULES YOU ALL!
maybe. but how many people can justify buying a whole 'nother hardware architechure for something not too far off from freebsd+xwindows?
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macs are like toys
they're good for making videos and watching them and making web pages and graphics
but they don't have much balls
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Originally posted by actual fact:
how much do you think these are going to cost -- sounds like it'll rip a hole in a mans' wallet.
They'll probably cost the same as the macs that are out right now...
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Originally posted by hook:
macs are like toys
they're good for making videos and watching them and making web pages and graphics
but they don't have much balls
Why are you alive, anyway? I've seen a few of your posts now and am wondering what your point is. If any.
I've just given some factual information that proves your little "Macs are toys" bullshit is just that -- bullshit.
Anyway, more info on the G5 is available at this URL (http://www.architosh.com/news/2001-11/2001a-1130-appleg5.phtml), for those who are interested. It gets more and more juicy.
And yes, chances are, given Apple's behavior so far, they'll introduce the new machines at the same price points as the current G4s.
Hook: you go use your little PC, OK, son? You deserve it anyway.
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Originally posted by hook:
macs are like toys
they're good for making videos and watching them and making web pages and graphics
but they don't have much balls
They are good for making videos but they don't have much balls? Ahha that is a contradiction in itself.
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We're starting to see the beginning of what I feared when I started this site: The emergence of all this stupid, bullshit infighting that occurs in the anti-M$ community. Non-Wintel users are already a pretty small group as it is, and it's moronic for us to start bickering amongst ourselves like this.
Nowadays, all the significant non-M$ operating systems are UNIX-based anyway, so there's far less difference among them than there used to be. But we'll still get schmucks like this "hook" clown exhaling the residual crack smoke forced down his lungs by his peers and other evil influences . . .
Was I just naive and stupid to think that maybe we could get some remotely intelligent discussion going on in these forums? :confused:
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Originally posted by The Webmaster:
We're starting to see the beginning of what I feared when I started this site: The emergence of all this stupid, bullshit infighting that occurs in the anti-M$ community. Non-Wintel users are already a pretty small group as it is, and it's moronic for us to start bickering amongst ourselves like this.
Nowadays, all the significant non-M$ operating systems are UNIX-based anyway, so there's far less difference among them than there used to be. But we'll still get schmucks like this "hook" clown exhaling the residual crack smoke forced down his lungs by his peers and other evil influences . . .
Was I just naive and stupid to think that maybe we could get some remotely intelligent discussion going on in these forums? :confused:
Quite possibly.... with a site named like this, you want serious discussion?
There will always be a rift between Mac users and the rest... many people dislike what the Mac stands for, yet still hate Wintel with a vengance. And all us Mac users typically will defend our platform to the death (http://smile.gif)
Amorya
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And what is it that mac's stand for that ppl hate so much???
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"And what is it that mac's stand for that ppl hate so much?"
- Ben
Back in the late '70s, before there was a M$, there was Apple Computer. They did a great job portraying themselves as the champions of freedom and openness, as opposed to big, bad ol' IBM. And yet, it was all a sham. Microsoft wanted a monopoly over the personal computer, and desktop software; Apple wanted it all: an absolute monopoly over, not just the software, but also the hardware. The first Macs were locked up so tightly that you couldn't even see what was "under the hood" unless you had a special tool (available only from Apple) to open the cabinet. Techies "in the know" back then liked this no more than today's techies like M$ and its control-freak mentality. Indeed, the first Macs were referred to as: "The Biege Toaster", "The Mackintoy", or much less pleasently, as the "Maggot Box".
As they say, "first impressions are lasting impressions", and techies have very long memories indeed. Apple still leaves a bad taste in the mouths of a not insignificant number of techies to this day. Is any of this justified? Not today. Apple failed in its attempt to create a monopoly, nor are they likely to achieve one any time soon. Today, Apple is important as they are the only players that have a chance at challengeing the Redmond Beast. And they have some terrific products, OS X for sure, the iPod, and it sure was a damn shame that people wouldn't give the Cube a chance. Apple is an excellent alternative to Wintel rigs and Macro$uck.
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well ok now i c wat ya mean.
Apple should not have scraped the cube. They scraped it before i had a chance to get one and that bites.
but i am way to young to know anything about the Apple monopaly. Anyway from what i c about Apple now they no longer seem to want a monopaly. But ya monopaly's are not the greatest things regardless of who is running it. A Mac is an awsome computer and is the best alternative to microspunge ever.
Ben
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Second thing: If The Register and various rumor sites are correct, the G5 comes out in a month or two. They've tested it at speeds up to 2.4 Ghz, but the guess is that it'll be introduced at 1.2, 1.4, and 1.6 Ghz. It's going to be a 64-bit chip, and the G5 boxen are going to have 400 mhz buses, use RDRAM, next-generation FireWire (twice the speed of the current one), and USB2. These things, ladies and gentlemen, are going to RIP SHIT.
The Register and various rumor sites are full of shit. :rolleyes:
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macintosh are the devil with candy blue covers! one of their main selling gimmiks is that you can choose what color you want your weak,slow,not enough ram, yet aero dynamic PC to be!
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" posted December 03, 2001 10:37 AM
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macintosh are the devil with candy blue covers! one of their main selling gimmiks is that you can choose what color you want your weak,slow,not enough ram, yet aero dynamic PC to be!
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the real question is have you ever yoused a mac they always seem to have more ram than a pc look awsome like you said the processors blow anything a pc can throw at them away... standard ethernet fire wire , usb great graphics cards an incredible sound card that only the sound blaster audegy can top. Where are you coming from saying macs are crap????
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There is really no fair way to compare two different processers based on different archetures.
Intel archeture(which AMD uses as well) is about the worst around, but haivng that said, it is also the cheapest.
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macintosh is a HUGE supporter of education. i go to high school, i've used mac's enough to know i hate them. They're slow as hell and they can't multi task for shit
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Originally posted by Anon_person_not_bill_gates:
macintosh is a HUGE supporter of education. i go to high school, i've used mac's enough to know i hate them. They're slow as hell and they can't multi task for shit
Given that you obviously haven't benefited much from your education, I can only conclude you've derived equally little benefit from your exposure to Macs.
Most schools don't have the money to buy the latest equipment, so there's a 95% chance you were exposed to badly out-of-date Macs running old versions of the OS, with no care put into having up-to-date applications that run smoothly with each other. Of course you're going to get a bad impression.
With OS X, the UNIX multitasking beats the crap out of Windows. You bitching about the Macs you've used in high school is like me talking crap about 386's running Windows 3.1, saying they can't compete today. Completely, totally IRRELEVENT.
And incidentally, try learning basic grammar. People might actually be inclined to take you seriously, for the first time in your life.
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Originally posted by jtpenrod:
"And what is it that mac's stand for that ppl hate so much?"
- Ben
As they say, "first impressions are lasting impressions", and techies have very long memories indeed. Apple still leaves a bad taste in the mouths of a not insignificant number of techies to this day.
Funny, I think most people who have coded m68k and HLA prefer the former, and I dont see PC's anywhere in pro audio or video studios... Even Microsoft's Macintosh software is better - because the platform's graphics engine is quite better. Actually, MS Word was better than on PC back when OS 9 was still the newest OS from Apple...
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Is any of this justified? Not today. Apple failed in its attempt to create a monopoly, nor are they likely to achieve one any time soon. Today, Apple is important as they are the only players that have a chance at challengeing the Redmond Beast. And they have some terrific products, OS X for sure, the iPod, and it sure was a damn shame that people wouldn't give the Cube a chance. Apple is an excellent alternative to Wintel rigs and Macro$uck.
failed at their attempt to create a monopoly? Successful doesn't equal monopolistic. In any company's case. Monopolistic is a relative term - thats something the justice system decides.. All companies try to earn lots of freaking money.
BTW... The cube's hardware was bad, so they scrapped it.
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dude, i used to have an LC 575 (lik 6-7 years ago), i'm VERY familiar with macintosh OS,i prefer PC's. and our school is plenty up to date on macintosh's. our school is always buying new computers. some of them have OSX, most are on OS 9 (i think that's the name of it) i was also in my school's computer tech class, which had to do wih fixing/maintaining ( you guessed it!) macintosh's!
so lets look back here. i've been using macintosh's for about 7 years, i use them every day at school, i spent a year working on them for my school, that same year i also networked all the new ones in teachers rooms. so i think i know a thing or 2 about macintosh's heh.
as for multi tasking, i got 512 megs of ram on a p3 gigahert computer, i was running winamp and burning a cd and ran Everquest lmost flawlessly. i'd like to see a mac do that
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which is better also depends on what you're using your computer for. for graphcs, Yes, Macintosh's spank all over PC's, no argument there. But if you'e into online gaming you won't get too far on a macintosh.
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As far as multitasking goes, the version of Winblows that can hold a candle to Mac OS X's multitasking doesn't exist. Oh, and networking? Theres another area where Mac OS X (and former Mac OSes to boot) blow Windoze out of the water.
Online gaming? Well, maybe not Evercrack, but Mac users have been playing games online for years - much longer than PC users have (Bolo, anybody?). In any case, online games do still exist for Mac OS, with new ones coming, too (World of Warcraft, for instance, or whatever it's called).
By the way, try putting more than 512MB of ram in a computer running any non-WinNT operating system from M$ . . . heh, heh . . .
The bottom line here is that there isn't anything you can do on a Wintel machine that you can't do on a Macintosh. Often times you won't be using the same apps, but you will be getting the same functionality (minus M$'s bloatware, to boot).
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I use Linux on i386 (AMD Duron). I prefer linux to mac os for a few reasons, mostly overhead, and the ability to monkey arround in it. I do agree that the mac platform is far suppirior to the i386 one, but price and the fact that I like to build my own computers have kept me from it. In other words I don't have a problem with macs though I don't use them. Wouldn't it be awesome if the mac platform was opened up like the pc, imagin awesome hardware at reasonable prices that you could put together yourself.
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saquarrier - Well, when I get an iBook at the beginning of next semester I'm looking forward to seeing how well that baby performs with just Darwin installed on it. I'm planning on spending the first week or so toying around with just the Darwin layer so I know if I want to use the full Mac OS X or just the open-source part. I'll probably end up dual-booting OS X (+ OS 9) and Darwin, since I'm not sure if it's possible to access the prompt directly under a Mac OS X installation (as in, access it without having the GUI loaded into memory at all).
Anyway, conflicting rumors tell of a soon-to-be-released G5 on the one hand and the cancellation of the PPC line altogether on the other (although the latter hasn't been brought up as recently). It would certainly be technically feasible to run Mac OS X (minus "Classic") on IA32, but how likely that is to come to pass is certainly an open question.
BTW, my old system was the same as yours (Linux on an AMD Duron) until my Socket-A board burned out and I had to revert to borrow an older machine of my brother's that has Winblows '98 on it; I've been too lazy to get this board up and running with Linux due to some driver problems, although I haven't yet tried the 2.4 kernel.
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Apple is going to make an official announcment on the G5 on jannuary the 7th
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Originally posted by Ben:
Apple is going to make an official announcment on the G5 on jannuary the 7th
Actually, that's not such a safe bet. It MAY happen at MacWorld San Francisco next month, but there's just as much reason to believe they'll just boost the G4s up even more, and buy themselves another six months for MacWorld New York in July (or maybe some event in the middle.
G5s would definitely be nice, but I get the feeling they're not quite done yet milking the G4.
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The danger in rumors about new processors or models is the way it harms Apple in the long run. Some jerk posts a rumor to increase traffic to his site; the rumor starts to get traction, and more people spread it; pretty soon it's being touted as reliable information but without any sources to back it up; now that it's not considered a rumor, people start holding off on purchases to wait for the new machine; and when Apple doesn't produce a new machine, they've already lost sales and lose more because people are disappointed.
So I would urge you to not pay one bit of attention to unfounded G5 or new iMac rumors (or whatever else is making the rounds in preperation for the next convention).
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intel architectures are quite rubbish.
i saw the inside of a p4 pc, and the fan for it actually covers about 25% of the back cover!
AMD processors are actually quite efficient compared to intels, but not as much as the mac ones.
the G4s are insanely efficient for it's MHz rating (which are misleading when looking at alongside P4s.)
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y'all are ca-razy...this is sooo entertaining...
I'm not a techie but I like to know what my machine is/does and I like to tinker. If this is going to be a platform argument, let me put in my 2
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Finaly a man after my own heart. Brings a tear to my eye!
oh ya that Anon_person_not_bill_gates
Made me laugh my ass off when I read his post. I like PC's a whole lot better than an LC 520 whatever. LOL... imagine this:
Hey man I used a IIsi I know what macs are like! I like my 1Ghz AMD way better!!
AHHAHAHAHAHAH
what a maroon. You can't make a judgement like that especially when the computers at school are bound to be rather unloved machines stuck in the corner. And I seriously doubt a single one is running OSX.
[ February 19, 2002: Message edited by: psyjax ]
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I know this is the MacOS forum, but grow up all of you!
Why is it that MacOS people
* never get tired of trading petty insults?
* actually that's the only thing, but it pisses me off so much i had to make it 2 points.
Why not have some constructive talk about something to do with Macs instead of all this "so and so is a maroon" business?
As webmaster says much earlier in this thread, Mac purists do tend to have this instant loathing for everything else, and i say, if this is so no wonder people are so ready to have an argument with them!
Macs are great! okay? let mejust say that i think Macs and MacOS are very good! That's why it's all the more irritating to see you all trading insults like 5 year olds! I bet it's doubly frustrating for sensible people who actually do want to think and speak for themselves instead of just joining in in the general mud slinging arena.
It gives you a bad name, so i say, stop being so insulting, you bunch of fucktards! (http://tongue.gif)
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I agree with you Calum, but I think you would agree that the Anon_bill gates guy was a bit out of line and full of it.
Plus this thread has been dead for a while and I doubt billy boy is actually reading it (http://smile.gif)
Also, you can't expect constructive critisism on any of these forums when someone comes in and is talking out of their ass. I have seen it in some cases on nearly all of them.
Overall however, I don't think being touchy is a feture of Mac users, I think every person who is particularly fond of their software and the like is likely to fly off the handle when someone Bashes unjustly. I think that Mac's get this undeserved Bashing a whole lot more often than other systems.
Perhaps that would be a constructive issue:
Why is there so much Mac bashing out there?