Stop Microsoft
Operating Systems => macOS => Topic started by: jasonlane on 17 October 2003, 00:12
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Perhaps Apple should just do the work from now on. All the M$ staff can just to the marketing.
http://www.apple.com/ (http://www.apple.com/)
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YAY!
Maybe this will convince my dad about how great Apple products are.
Too bad Canada doesn't have access to the iTMS yet... :(
Not that my dad cares, though, as he prefers to st... I mean 'illegally acquire' music.
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Laukev7: Has half Macman's posts: 'illegally acquire' music.
Or back-up his legally acquired CD's to mp3 (http://tongue.gif)
It's actually legal in my country to download music and movies from Gnutella, eDonkey, KaZaA, etc., but it's illegal to share them.
So if you're wondering why all people from the Netherlands are non-sharing leechers, you know now ;)
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So here's my screenshot of iTunes on Windoze:
iTunes for Windoze (http://members.chello.nl/hf.wees/images/iTunes.png)
Personally, I don't see where the fuss is about. It's hogs up too much of my CPU, only to play some (legal) mp3.
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Originally posted by Refalm:
So here's my screenshot of iTunes on Windoze:
iTunes for Windoze (http://members.chello.nl/hf.wees/images/iTunes.png)
Personally, I don't see where the fuss is about. It's hogs up too much of my CPU, only to play some (legal) mp3.
I don't know about the windows port. But on the Mac, it's the best freakin Mp3 player ever! It kicks the shit outta winAmp and XMMS.
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Originally posted by Refalm:
Or back-up his legally acquired CD's to mp3 (http://tongue.gif)
It's actually legal in my country to download music and movies from Gnutella, eDonkey, KaZaA, etc., but it's illegal to share them.
So if you're wondering why all people from the Netherlands are non-sharing leechers, you know now ;)
Oh, right. I forgot that that was legal in my country as well. :D
Uh, copying music without redeeming?
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Well, Im running iTunes on my win2k box. What can I say, it's excellent!
This is the best MP3/music player ever, hands down.
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Doesn't look right without a shadow, and that title bar and menu are horrid
it goes on my pc when I get on it.
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I know why iTunes is hogging my CPU, even when I'm going nothing at all.
It scans the mp3's and determines how high the volume is, so you won't get that "broken volume button" effect, and it's nice if you use headphones.
Kinda like Winamp and Noatun does, but different. I like it.
[ October 16, 2003: Message edited by: Refalm ]
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What is so great about it? It has a nice playlist layout but my god, it sure is a memory hog. It is a CPU hog when Audio Enhancements are enabled. It adds 2 services that aren't even nessicary(iTunes Helper and iPod service). IT should only turn on the iPod service if you actually have drivers for an iPod installed on your system(meaning you have an iPod). It doesn't automatically retrieve and display album art(you have to manually drag album art pics to the album art popup), It doesn't have a taskbar player and It doesn't even play video. Sure it lets you burn Audio CD's from a playlist, but WMP 9 does that as well. I think I'll stick with WMP9.
(http://www.neowin.net/forum/uploads/post-12-1066348065.jpg)
[ October 16, 2003: Message edited by: Viper ]
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The nice thing about iTunes is that if you have several thousand songs on your computer iTunes makes it really easy to find the songs you want fast. It plays audio, it burns CD's, you can even buy audio with it and burn it onto CD's. I'm not sure how well this works on your machine. But its very nice on mine :D
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and It doesn't even play video
Dude, what the hell is wrong with you ? Did not the name "iTunes" clue into you that maybe it was for playing AUDIO ?
And whats this i hear you whining about it being a CPU and memory hog ? I thought you were running a 3ghz Pentium 4 ? Isn't that enough to run itunes while you do web, email, and chat at least ?
I'm running a 700mhz G4, and it does all those things while running iTunes just fine.
[ October 16, 2003: Message edited by: mushrooomprince ]
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Originally posted by mushrooomprince:
Dude, what the hell is wrong with you ? Did not the name "iTunes" clue into you that maybe it was for playing AUDIO ?
And whats this i hear you whining about it being a CPU and memory hog ? I thought you were running a 3ghz Pentium 4 ? Isn't that enough to run itunes while you do web, email, and chat at least ?
I'm running a 700mhz G4, and it does all those things while running iTunes just fine.
Oh yeah, it runs fine in conjunction with web browsing, chatting and E-Mail. However, I prefer using something lighter on memory and CPU cycles because I opt to listen to real music when I play games(instead of the game music). Every Megabyte free and every CPU cycle free counts when you play new, graphicly intense games. Granted, iTunes isn't a CPU hog unless you enable it's crappy audio enhancements(enhancements that aren't even really all that noticable) but regardless it loves to guzzle the Ram(just to play music mind you). The real kicker is WMP 9 uses 5-6x memory when it is playing audio. WMP uses over 4x less memory to play a 650MB video than it takes iTunes to play a 4MB music file.
The damn iTunes doesn't even have a taskbar player, it isn't skinnable, it is bigger and clunkier than WMP in full mode(WMP9's size can be reduced via a skin or minimize it to the taskbar player). Oh yeah, that WMP memory usage was with a playlist of 170 songs loaded and a visualization running. The iTunes memory usage I posted was with a playlist that only had 1 song and no visualizations were running.
And to think, some of you claim that WMP 9 is bloated and is a resource hog. Why don't you same people bitch when another app is alot worse with resource usage and does less than the player that you bitch about. Oh, I know why...because you are in love with Apple...they can't do wrong. They can't possibly be bad at writing code for their apps. :rolleyes:
WMP 9 uses less resources than iTunes and it does more than iTunes can do.
Anyways, Shut the fuck up unless you have something useful to say to me. (http://smile.gif)
[ October 16, 2003: Message edited by: Viper ]
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i play games all the time running iTunes in the background, though I'm not using the windows version
I'm sure it will much better anyway
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well in windows it may hog memory, buts a damn site better music app when it comes to sorting playlists and such. I don't see the hit cuz I got a ton of RAM. In anycase OSX manages the memory better than windows.
AS far as not playing video, thats the schizophrenic plague alot of windows apps have. They try to be all in one swiss army knives, instead of doing one thing well.
Meh... I still like it better than WMP.
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I use the Mac version of iTunes at school occasionally, but I never really had the chance of using it to it full potential. I wouldn't want to disturb the students, see. (http://smile.gif)
I am using the Windows version right now. I love it!
[ October 16, 2003: Message edited by: Laukev7: Has half Macman's posts ]
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True it is a CPU Hog so I went into services and DIsabled the Ipod thing :D
I love it and it fixes auto volume adjustment so all qualityswill be same volume... It's GREAT and looks nice! (I also like that quiktime can stream downloadable media) I give iTunes a 5/5
Best Windows Prog. Made! on the list right before AIM... (http://tongue.gif)
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Originally posted by KiDwithIsSuEs 00:
True it is a CPU Hog so I went into services and DIsabled the Ipod thing.
I did that right as soon as I saw there was an iPod service. I still don't thik that it should install an iPod service and the iTunes helper(goes with the iPod service) by default. It should only install the service if you have iPod drivers installed on your computer.
1 thing I noticed about it. Apple did a good job with the scroll bar(s). IT works exactly how it does in OSX. If you notice, when you move the scrollbar it isn't a solid image that moves with the scrollbar. When you move the scrollbar it is like a looking glass moving(it is hard to explain really, pay attention when you move a scrollbar and you'll see what I mean).
[ October 16, 2003: Message edited by: Viper ]
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Doh! My CPU's Hyperthreading got disabled and the onboard sound got enabled somehow(even though I'm using the an Audigy 2)! I wonder how that happened? :confused : . It must've happened when I flashed my BIOS yesterday even though I didn't clear the CMOS. I just enabled HT and disabled the onboard sound and now the CPU usage is staying low. Now if I could figure out a way to make this bastard use less Ram.
I'll say that I like the iTunes visualizations.
[ October 17, 2003: Message edited by: Viper ]
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HT or no, it is a bit of a hog...
I wonder why it uses so much system resources...
oh well. I like it 'cos now I can stream my iTunes playlist to ALL my machines
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I take that back, it's done scanning and it takes 80% of my 450 MHz CPU. I'm sorry Mac fans, but a media player is supposed to take a heck of a lot less CPU percentage.
Winamp adn Noatun and have the same features as iTunes (sound fx/enhancements, volume control, playlists, visualisations, searching for a particular media file) and take 10% of my CPU at maximum.
When I play UT 2003, I want some Slipknot and Cradle Of Filth in the background (agressive music makes me play better). Image doing that with iTunes in the background. I'd only have 20% of my CPU for the game. Fuck that.
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I have an Athlon 1800. It works fine on my computer. I noticed that for some reason, the CPU usage varies for each song. I converted a MIDI file to AAC, and noticed that the MIDI file consumes 15-20% CPU, whereas the AAC only takes 02%.
Try converting your mp3 files to AAC and comparing the CPU usage, just for kicks.
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my roommate, and everybody I've introduced to it so far are hooked. they all LOVE the ability to share playlists over networks without having to d/l the files.
IT IS A STROKE OF GENIUS AND THE END FOR THE RIAA WILL COME SOON. IF IT DOES NOT I WILL HAVE TO DESTROY THEM ON MY OWN AND YOU ALL WILL BE THERE AT MY SIDE!
COME! FIGHT FOR THE EMPIRE ON THE SIDE OF RIGHT!
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I just talked to my brother at Ohio State University. Apparantly tons of people with windows are getting it and sharing has increased like crazy (although it can't share over the college's entire network, only the dorm's subnet). It's also the RIAA's worst nightmare, 1000 people packed together in a dorm, sharing music over the network, abe to easily find each other and get whatever songs they want.
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iTunes doesn't share.
it streams across the network. no files ever move. the only thing those shitsucking hollywood asslickers can fucking bitch about is that people aren't paying their webcasting fee.
FUCK YOU, YOU MOTHERFUCKING GODFORSAKEN RECORD INDUSTRY SODOMITES. I HOPE YOU ALL BURN UP SLOWLY SO THAT PEOPLE CAN TEAR YOUR CHARRED CORPSES APART BY DRAGGING THEM DOWN THE STREETS TRIUMPHANTLY BEHIND THEIR CARS. DIE YOU WORTHLESS BASTARDS DIE. DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE. IF YOU DON'T THEN I WILL KILL YOU MYSELF.
IT WILL BE A GREAT DAY FOR MANKIND WHEN YOU ALL FUCK OFF AND DIE OF INFECTIONS YOU RECEIVE FROM EATING YOUR OWN SHIT.
If you share this view, join me, and your hate will make you powerful. Welcome to the Dark Side of the Force.
but no, iTunes doesn't share files.
[ October 18, 2003: Message edited by: Darth Jimmy James ]
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jimmy. Your not entireley correct. The Mac users can take advantage of this "sharing" with an app called iLeech. You connect to any iTunes, and download songs. Over a network it would be really fast. And it can autodetect with rendezvous. But the best part is people don't even know. Unlike P2P where people purposefully share stuff, here you are doing it almost invisibly. The only way to tell is that you count as 2 users if your connected with itunes and iLeech. So if they go into some network monitor, and see that the same IP is connected to them twice throug the same port, then they could figure it out. Although highly unlikely that they will be looking so hard.
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wow
interesting
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Its good after you disable that store button , the ipod service, the itunes helpper service, and taken off those dumb radio buttons and make it fit for you, I like it, Vever nice GUI to it also
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No, I meant that people go share each others music, try them out, and can easily find the other person so that they can transfer the music files for the songs. I realize how the system works.
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I liked the statement: "Hell Froze Over" ;
[ October 19, 2003: Message edited by: raptor ]
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iLeech! LMAO. great name. Anyway, I tried it on 2000... it's pretty and all, but they're right, it DOES take up a lot of resources (relatively that is), and what's with those services?? kinda stupid to be turned on by default. I have to say, though, I'd rather use this than windows media player... I'm avoiding that like the plague, even more so as time goes on.
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Originally posted by Dirk Gently:
kinda stupid to be turned on by default. I have to say, though
This is a long set Apple policy and it makes 100% amount of sense to me.
"turn all the stuff on by defualt that may commonly be used, then if the advanced people don't want it, they can turn it off" this way you don't force dumb people to learn how to do stuff, you just force advanced people to have to optimise by turning off features.
I love this policy from Apple, it makes everything so incredicly simple.
[ October 20, 2003: Message edited by: jeffberg: Mac Capitalist ]
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However, if Microsoft does the same thing some people scream that the software is bloated. They scream that MS is adding stuff that hogs memory and is useless to alot of people. Those same people also scream that Microsoft is trying to control your computer. Advanced users can disable extra services installed by microsoft software the same way that they can disable the iPod service. That doesn't matter though because it is just so unspeakably wrong for MS to enable extra stuff by default.
How is enabling an iPod service by default any different? It isn't like everybody who uses iTunes owns an iPod.
[ October 20, 2003: Message edited by: Viper ]
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Enabling services is one thing, preventing you from removing them all together is another!
I still can't figure out how to get Outlook Express outta my system.
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Eh, fair enough about making things simple for the user... I think I see what Viper is saying though. All depends on who you're aiming the product at I guess.
Outlook Express, really? What windows version? I was messing with a 2000 installation not too long ago, and remembered people saying it was very difficult to remove outlook express, IE, WAB, etc, so I was expecting some resistance, but I removed them all (and a lot more) with no trouble (or extra programs) at all. What's with that? Is it more difficult for different Windows versions?
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Originally posted by psyjax: plain 'ol psyjax:
Enabling services is one thing, preventing you from removing them all together is another!
I still can't figure out how to get Outlook Express outta my system.
It isn't hard to remove Outlook express. I removed it a long time ago because I use Outlook 2003.
BTW, there is a difference between Outlook Express and the iTunes services. Outlook express only uses memory when you are running it. When it isn't being used it does no harm to resources.
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How do you remove it?
I went to Add/Remove, got rid of it. But it's still in my system. It pops up now and then when I click on an e-mail adress in certain programs.
EDIT: Just noticed Dirk's post. Im on 2000
[ October 21, 2003: Message edited by: psyjax: plain 'ol psyjax ]
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Originally posted by psyjax: plain 'ol psyjax:
How do you remove it?
I went to Add/Remove, got rid of it. But it's still in my system. It pops up now andhttp://forum.microsuck.com/ubb/icons/icon4.gif
http://forum.microsuck.com/ubb/icons/icon4.gif (http://forum.microsuck.com/ubb/icons/icon4.gif) then when I click on an e-mail adress in certain programs.
It's not actually uninstalled. It's only the icons and the shortcuts that are removed.
You'll need a third party tool like IEradicator or an app from LitePC (http://www.litepc.com/) to get rid of Outleak.
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I got rid of Outlook Express like this.
First go to Add/Remove programs and got rid of it's icons. Next, go to start---->run and type "regedit" without the quotes and hit enter. Now, highlight My Computer(left click on it) then go to Edit---->Find. In find type Outlook Express and click Find Next. When it finds the first entry simply press delete to delete it. Now press F3 and it will find the next entry, delete it as well. Press F3 again and you know what to do. Continue doing that until you have deleted every entry in the registry.
You will want to repeat the process from the beginning but this time search for msoe instead of Outlook Express. Do it again 1 last time...this time search for msimn.
After you clean the registry go to C:\Prgram Files--->highlight the Outlook Express folder----->Hold Shift and press Delete (Of course it won't be C:\ if you installed Windows to a different drive/partation).
Now it should be gone.
[ October 22, 2003: Message edited by: Viper ]
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WOW! So simple! :eek:
I didn't realize the solution was so obvious! How could I be so blind! :rolleyes:
Nothing like Apple's ever so sneaky strategy of letting you delete the program by simply dragging it to the trash. Noooo, M$ is so much more straignt forward.
Ummm... sarcasam aside, thanks a bunch! :D
I have been trying to get rid of outlook.
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In Windows, He who controls the registry has the power(full control of the system).
Of course there is alot more to controlling the registry than deleting entries. ;P
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Ehhh... from your instructions, though, won't the program still be there? heh i didn't even think it would be listed in the Add/Remove programs list so I just deleted all the shortcuts and registry data manually, and deleted the program the shortcuts pointed to. No big deal. Same goes for internet explorer or the address book. I tried IEradicator *after* i had had my try at deleting IE and it didn't do anything i hadn't already done. (I figured it would get rid of the mentions of IE when using explorer.exe with web pages, but no). Meh, it's all off topic anyway.
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No it won't still be there. Notice the final step in my instructions(Delete the Outlook Express folder).
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Oh yeah, sorry, missed that for some reason.