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Title: Japan wants to switch to open source
Post by: HPC GUY on 23 November 2002, 22:10
http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104-966700.html (http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104-966700.html)

yet another country looking for independence
Title: Japan wants to switch to open source
Post by: PsysicTV on 23 November 2002, 23:32
Well, duh. Japan's got all the l337 technology, and a _very_ wired culture, so why would they stick with a backwards, insecure OS?   :cool:
Title: Japan wants to switch to open source
Post by: lazygamer on 24 November 2002, 04:23
Yah, their probably getting tired of wind0ze crashing, everytime they put on a Hentai mpeg in WMP.   ;)

[ November 23, 2002: Message edited by: lazygamer ]

Title: Japan wants to switch to open source
Post by: Bazoukas on 24 November 2002, 04:47
Man they really going at it in the forum under the article.
Title: Japan wants to switch to open source
Post by: lazygamer on 24 November 2002, 04:54
Ya see, the FUD faggot mass market fecal cesspool zombies are fighting, then the 1337 open source special forces are pwning them in a freestyle verbal battle.

Go 1337 open source special forces!
Title: Japan wants to switch to open source
Post by: Refalm on 24 November 2002, 14:35
1337 open source? Don't insult the OpenSource community  (http://tongue.gif)
Title: Japan wants to switch to open source
Post by: slave on 25 November 2002, 01:34
Here's a comment I found particularly funny:

 
quote:
OK, so I will admit Windows security is not that great. I will also admit we recently lost data and my senior managers are pointing to my all encompassing .NET initiative as a possible cause. However, I will still defend that Windows is the single best platform in the world for delivering easy to use applications and administration as well as a really slick GUI. I will also state that IE 6 is the best browser on the planet.
Title: Japan wants to switch to open source
Post by: Doctor V on 25 November 2002, 06:07
I really hope Linux does take off in Japan.  I've never heard much about what OS the gov. uses.  But there are a few Japanese specific distro's, like Turbo and Plamo.  Some of the others, like Redhat and Mandrake support Japanese, but not 100%.  All of the businesses I have worked with use Linux servers, and about the only time windows is used in my company is when we are localizing software from American companys.  As far as home computers go, Linux is almost unheard of, but Macs are still very popular (a few Macs people in my company use macs as well).

In other news, the competition in the broadband market is insane.  Broadband actually costs less then ISDN/dialup because the phone costs are so high.

And yes, the culture is wierd, very wierd.

V
Title: Japan wants to switch to open source
Post by: lazygamer on 25 November 2002, 21:23
Doctor, according to your location, are you a US citizen vacationing in Japan right now?

The only problems I have with Japan are the pollution and overcrowding. Both of these problems Canada lacks, and if you go 200KM north of the US border, these problems become a joke.
(as 80%+ of our people live within 200KM of the border)

Netherlands is probably an awesome country, but that overcrowding thing is scary! I grew up in a town that has never reached over 85000 people, and another 85000 person town is a loooong ways away. So even though im not into nature hikes, im quite fearful of overcrowding.  (http://smile.gif)
Title: Japan wants to switch to open source
Post by: voidmain on 25 November 2002, 22:15
I grew up in a town of 700, well actually on a farm outside of town. Had 30 kids in my graduating class.  Before that I lived in a town of around 90 people. The closest big city was around 40 miles away at around 50,000 people.
Title: Japan wants to switch to open source
Post by: Calum on 25 November 2002, 22:31
i am happy, but astonished to hear that japan is considering any open source software.
Title: Japan wants to switch to open source
Post by: Doctor V on 26 November 2002, 05:33
quote:
Originally posted by lazygamer:
Doctor, according to your location, are you a US citizen vacationing in Japan right now?



Yes, but not on vacation.  I have been living here and working for about 3 years.  Actually alot of the programmers in Japan are foreign.

 
quote:

The only problems I have with Japan are the pollution and overcrowding. Both of these problems Canada lacks, and if you go 200KM north of the US border, these problems become a joke.
(as 80%+ of our people live within 200KM of the border)

Netherlands is probably an awesome country, but that overcrowding thing is scary! I grew up in a town that has never reached over 85000 people, and another 85000 person town is a loooong ways away. So even though im not into nature hikes, im quite fearful of overcrowding.   (http://smile.gif)  



Tokyo is a heckuva lot bigger than any city in the US.  The overcrowding is rediculous!  It leads to tiny apartments that cost lots of money.  Yes, Canada is a great place, I'd love to live there if it weren't so COLD!  I too am surprised that a country that is America's bitch this much would actually consider non-M$ software.

V
Title: Japan wants to switch to open source
Post by: lazygamer on 26 November 2002, 07:39
Cold? Ironically I've been thinking how global warming has robbed me of true Canadian experiences. Basically -40 degree cold extremes, and backyard snow reaching 5+ feet.

What is the temperature right now? Varying between -10 and 10. IMO, that's not really freezing. This year we only got down to -20, I don't believe we hit -30. No snow in sight lol!(2 months ago there was more cold and snow)

I find 10 degrees reasonably comfortable weather. I am refering to celcius though.
Title: Japan wants to switch to open source
Post by: Doctor V on 26 November 2002, 07:59
You Canadians are crazy!  10 degrees comfortable?  I think 20+ is about right.  


And its time for the America to dump the ancient measurement system and adopt the far superior metric system that the rest of the world uses.
Title: Japan wants to switch to open source
Post by: Pissed_Macman on 26 November 2002, 21:40
quote:
 OK, so I will admit Windows security is not that great. I will also admit we recently lost data and my senior managers are pointing to my all encompassing .NET initiative as a possible cause. However, I will still defend that Windows is the single best platform in the world for delivering easy to use applications and administration as well as a really slick GUI. I will also state that IE 6 is the best browser on the planet.


Sounds like Linux User himself several months ago.
Title: Japan wants to switch to open source
Post by: Kintaro on 26 November 2002, 11:18
Let him have an opinion, and ill have mine

Microsoft Windows XP is fucking shit. It is not the most easy to use platform just the easyiest to get. IE 6.0 is not the best, its just the one that goes with the most popular Operating System, and more pages try to support it.

Every time Microsoft fix a small bug they make it an x. up release (Mozilla would be 111.11 if they did Microsofts release style).

If IE was made Open Source V4 would have been 0.4

Who would use a browser that cant do transperant pngs. www.gilpinsgarage.cjb.net (http://www.gilpinsgarage.cjb.net)
Title: Japan wants to switch to open source
Post by: preacher on 26 November 2002, 13:11
Ive never lived in a small town before, but after visiting and everything being so far away and jobs being very hard to find and having nothing to do would suck. Kansas City isnt exactly a big city either, with a metropolitan area that totals at only around 2 million people, we have lots of space. Yet we have many of the conveniences of larger cities.
Title: Japan wants to switch to open source
Post by: Pissed_Macman on 27 November 2002, 12:23
quote:
China is also seen as another Asian stronghold for open-source software.  


I was just thinking how ironic it is that a communist country would like open source.
Title: Japan wants to switch to open source
Post by: Doctor V on 27 November 2002, 13:13
Actually the concept of taking power from the elite few, focusing on cooperation instead of competition, and providing the working class with the means of production are some of the basic tenants of Communism.  Communism as stated by Marx was not supposed to be a society with a strict government controlling all actions of the people, it was meant to take power from the elite and give it to the people.  This would lead to slightly less freedom for the individual but more for the masses  (one would not have the freedom to be a billionair, but there wouldn't be people starving either).  This isn't whats taught in schools, but its the truth, actually Communism as practiced by the USSR, China and Cuba is not much at all what true Communism was meant to be.  Any true communist would embrace Open Source Software (OSS).  OSS actually in a way proves that there is some truth to the arguements made by Marxists.  That people can work together and create somthing wonderful without a single corporation head controlling everything.  In schools, we are taught that Communism = an evil totalitarian government that opresses the people.  This is not true, Marxism is just a different way of doing things.  China embraces OSS because they do not want to be dependant on a single large corporation --which is just what Communism is (supposed to be at least) all about.

Disclaimer:  I am not a Communist OR a Capitalist, I know that both ways have advantages and disadvantages, and believe there is room for middle ground.
Title: Japan wants to switch to open source
Post by: lazygamer on 28 November 2002, 08:19
It's kinda funny how sooooo many things only work properly at the middle ground...