Stop Microsoft
All Things Microsoft => Microsoft as a Company => Topic started by: hoojchoons on 4 June 2002, 03:25
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Or so it seems. Click here (http://news.com.com/2100-1001-930153.html?tag=fd_topic) for more info...
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If the judge allowed that memo, and then followed the states' reccomendations, MS could claim she was biased. If MS could prove she was biased they could appeal again.
Since she didn't allow that memo, she was following basic guidelines that any federal judge is expected to follow.
I hate MS as much as the next person, but overall not allowing that memo could be a good thing.
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I'm not saying that she should allow the memo. I'm very concerned though about the way M$ seems to be always slipping away due to unfortunate coincidencies.
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Yeah, I feel that way too.
MS always seems to find some loophole and gets by. The DOJ has been easy on them for years.
We can only hope MS doesn't get awy esy this time.
Did you know that MS doesn't pay ANY federal Income taxes? That's right, and they are doing it legally. There is a little known loop-hole in the Income tax law in the USA, and both MS and Enron have been using it for years. Enron has since collapsed. Whenever congress tried to close that loop-hole, Enron and MS would lobby and stop them from doing so(money is a powerful argument); now it's just MS lobbying to keep the loop-hole.
[ June 03, 2002: Message edited by: Heru ]
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Originally posted by Heru:
Yeah, I feel that way too.
MS always seems to find some loophole and gets by. The DOJ has been easy on them for years.
We can only hope MS doesn't get awy esy this time.
Did you know that MS doesn't pay ANY federal Income taxes? That's right, and they are doing it legally. There is a little known loop-hole in the Income tax law in the USA, and both MS and Enron have been using it for years. Enron has since collapsed. Whenever congress tried to close that loop-hole, Enron and MS would lobby and stop them from doing so(money is a powerful argument); now it's just MS lobbying to keep the loop-hole.
[ June 03, 2002: Message edited by: Heru ]
That is an absoulute outrage!!!!!!!!!!!
Unbelievable. Simply incredible. I'm sick and tiared of hearing about all this stuff where some Multi BILLION dollar corperation can't share a little of it's profits with the rest of the country, which right now desperatly needs it. GW is diggin' into the Medicare account more than ever. The public school system right now is in shambles. I was surprised to learn that many places, even such places as Washington, there are little or no extra-curicular activities. It seems that today, rich men that give it all up, such as the doctor that funded Habitat for Humanity, or the CEO from "Newman's Own" who won't accept money from his company anymore, they are the exception, a miniscule one at that. There isn't even room for philanthropists that make billions being assholes, like Gates, and then give it away, (e.g. Carnegie); not with Gates trying to turn the whole of the tech sector into his own joke called M$.
And this thing about M$ alwasy saying, "well, we all know how much this fast-paced economy changes, we have to save some money in case we fall behind." like that gives them good reason to store all their profits away just in case a rainy-day comes for the OS giant. Well I'll be the first to say, I don't know how long it will take, but I'll be damned if I dont' see that rainy day come before I die. "No, Bill, FSF isn't a communist plot to take over the country." "Yes Bill, even some of the biggest GIANTS in the tech indusrty (ie IBM, HP) put Linux standard on their servers." "No Bill, hackers aren't a detriment to buisness/society, and they built the internet before you got your greedy paws on it, tried to change it into a thing of your own, you greedy bastard!"
And another thing I'm annoyed about. This lobbying buisness. We all know that the're not just simply lobying. There is no way you can produce some from of propaganda that says, "It's a good thing that a multi-BILLION dollar corperation sits around on it's fat ass, produces rank products, and then doesn't have to pay a cent to the Government while working class families living in poverty still do." I dont' care how much you pervert the facts, not even GOD could make that look good. These legislators are getting kickbacks. Have to be; couldn't be any other way. That's prehaps the most unerving of all.
"Maybe Ralph Nader isn't so loopy after all." Even I think he's a little extreame. But by comparison, noone can honestly say that this kind of M$ bullshit practice any less loopy. It's just plain wrong. Makes me sick :eek: +hurl+
[ June 11, 2002: Message edited by: iustitia ]
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Nader???? isn't that the same one that was trying to legalize cannibis, owell, i just hope that someone , anyone just burns microsoft at the stake all right, they have more fucking lives that a goddamned cat, i mean fuck, how many appeals has it been and jack shit has still yet to be done about them
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Your right, did try to leagalize hemp. I didn't say he wasn't loopy at all, just that he is less of a disgrace than the laize-faire government we have fallen into. A government that allows a company to spend it's life work putting competitors out of buisness, and then turns the other way when it's time for taxes to be collected. I'd rather have a government that would let me ruin my own life smoking cannibus than have a government that allows that scourge of a company control for whom I work and what I do, ruining my life in the proccess
[ June 11, 2002: Message edited by: iustitia ]
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legalising cannibis is a great idea! full stop.
Thankfully we've finally got a home seretary here who is willing to at least declassify it from a class B drug to class C. Putting it in the same bracket as valium and other prescription drugs; Although it's not really easy to compare when some countries still have the death penalty for possession (of marijuana) and some allow free use of amphetamines...
The only reason hemp was made illegal in the first place was because a large company wanted a monopoly but realised that their product was inferior, so they spent a lot of money spreading propaganda and setting legal precedents that made the compatitor illegal. Sound familiar? (it was DuPont plastics who realised that hemp was infinitely better than anything DuPont could come up with btw)
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it also had to do with a an asshole governemnt offical with a political agenda ...
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it always does...
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Money Speaks.
Always has and always will.
If you have a few thousand in the bank your happy, but with a few million, it's never enough - go figure.
Back to the memo. The Judge is ruling the memo out on the grounds it was never acted on, and that is fair. The states are trying to prove future intent, if one guy suggests such practise, and then the company do not act that is not future intent. This case is being fought on legal grounds, emotions are not involved.
As far as I am concerned it shows that the company mentallity has not changed, and their practices will continue. But that requires sufficient evidence, and one e-mail does not carry enough wait for such a hefty allegation.
Live with this - June 19 is just around the corner, lets hope they get it right this time.
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Why does the government harass Microsoft when all they're doing is including their own software in their own OS? Why dont they go after KDE developers for binding Konqueror to KDE? Or Apple for putting iTunes and iDVD in their OS? They're just jealous liberals who hate Bill Gates. Leave the poor man alone.
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Uh, maybe because KDE is not an operating system? Maybe becuase you don't have to install Konqueror (or KDE) to use Linux.
[EDIT] Duh!
[ June 11, 2002: Message edited by: VoidMain ]
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Microsoft ABUSE THEIR POSITION. It's fine to bundle your software, but to use your position of control on a market to the direct detriment of competitors is wrong.
I can use Konquerer under KDE, Nautilus and galeon under Gnome, and I can use Mozilla and Opera under either. MY CHOICE.
All of them work under Linux, as MY CHOICE.
To reiterate MY CHOICE. With mac, you can run IE (or others) if you want, not that I would want, but I am not opposed to having choice.
Gates has been dogged by lawsuits and allegations of borderline behavior since he went out on his own. He has been involved with lawsuits on ownership to software languages, which many still argue he had no Intellectual right, and no moral right to assert ownership over (remember BASIC).
If Bill gates hadn't tried some of the stunts he has, he would not be dogged by such as us. Bundling software is fine, but not removing customer choice, that is illegal. KDE has never, to my knowledge, tried to remove Mozilla and Opera from Mandrake Linux distribution. As far as anyone has reported mac has not tried to prevent competitors writing code for their machines, and making it less operable than their own, indeed they are supporting open source now (Unix). So if they ever have been naughty that way, they have made a u-turn.
Contrary to leaving him alone, his company was found guilty of a crime - he should go to JAIL. And I am not opposing any anti-competitive investigation into Mac, if you think there is a case I suggest you report it the Anti-trust commission.
I hate BG for what he has done, as a person I don't know him, and from reports on the guy I would probably poke him right in the eye, or just walk away from him. (http://tongue.gif)
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The only reason hemp was made illegal in the first place was because a large company wanted a monopoly but realised that their product was inferior, so they spent a lot of money spreading propaganda and setting legal precedents that made the compatitor illegal. Sound familiar? (it was DuPont plastics who realised that hemp was infinitely better than anything DuPont could come up with btw)
Right idea, wrong company. Actually, it was Hearst who did that. The main problem with hemp was that you couldn't make a high quality paper with it. Then in 1936, someone discovered how to turn hemp into paper. The Hearst chain of newspapers had some significant timber holdings in the Northwest, naturally as it went well with their main business. The Marijuana Tax Act passed in 1937, coincidence? ;)
That was the real tragedy since hemp paper could have saved millions of acres of virgin forest.
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it still could, at any time if people got over their stigma and legalised it. It's 30 times more efficient to make paper out of hemp than out of wood, and it's 4 times more efficient than cotton to make clothes out of. Plus hundreds of other uses, including medicinal extracts and so on...
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Originally posted by Windows XP User #5225982375:
Leave the poor man alone.
P O O R ? ? ?
P O O R ? ? ?
WHAT THE HELL
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i think that eventually microsoft will lose
i think that eventually marijuana will win
BUT I WANT IT NOW NOW NOW NOW!!!
[ June 12, 2002: Message edited by: sporkme ]
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Why does the government harass Microsoft when all they're doing is including their own software in their own OS? Why dont they go after KDE developers for binding Konqueror to KDE? Or Apple for putting iTunes and iDVD in their OS? They're just jealous liberals who hate Bill Gates. Leave the poor man alone.
Based on this guy's name, and based on his comments which seem designed specifically to make non-Microserfs very angry, I personally have decided that this guy is not really a Window$ user and is just trying to stir outrage against Window$.
That said, I'm still going to have fun answering his "question".
The software Microsloth includes in Window$ is not free. Microsloth increases the price of Window$ to reflect the cost of the included software. The end result is that the user has purchased both Window$ and Internet Exploder, and paid for both, but the user cannot choose to buy only Window$. The bundling does nothing but limit the user's choices.
Firstly, the Konqueror package is usually shipped/downloaded along with the KDE package, but the user can choose not download Konqueror and still get a fully-functional copy of KDE. Firstly, KDE and all the packages that normally come bundled with it are free. Thirdly, KDE is not an Operating system, but what I've said about KDE applies on a larger scale to RedHat and, say, X.
I won't defend Apple because I don't know anything about what they're doing. A knowledgable Apple user may be able to better answer that part of your question.
I am amused at the way you use "liberals" as a derogatory comment. No further comment.
Describing Bill Gates as a "poor man" is also amusing to me, and further convinces me that you are only pretending to be a Window$ user.
I'm rather new to this board. I mangle the names of Microsloth and it's products only because I'm worried that there may be some legal reason. Does anyone know if it's OK to use the real names? Mangling the names only makes us look childish.
[ June 13, 2002: Message edited by: tratan ]
I had to edit this a few times to fix the quote-tags.
[ June 13, 2002: Message edited by: tratan ]
Ok, I think I got the tags right this time.
[ June 13, 2002: Message edited by: tratan ]
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Originally posted by jtpenrod:
Right idea, wrong company. Actually, it was Hearst who did that. The main problem with hemp was that you couldn't make a high quality paper with it. Then in 1936, someone discovered how to turn hemp into paper. The Hearst chain of newspapers had some significant timber holdings in the Northwest, naturally as it went well with their main business. The Marijuana Tax Act passed in 1937, coincidence? ;)
That was the real tragedy since hemp paper could have saved millions of acres of virgin forest.
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Its obvious to me now that Nader doesn't want a nation to get stoned. This is just an example of a company that was throwing its weight around in government, a practice which Ralph Nader is totally against. That's the only reason he cares. I will hear no more arguments that he only gets votes from guys that want to get stoned!
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