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Operating Systems => macOS => Topic started by: WMD on 4 July 2004, 08:59

Title: WWDC 2004 Video
Post by: WMD on 4 July 2004, 08:59
http://stream.apple.akadns.net/ (http://stream.apple.akadns.net/)

Jobs pimping AirPort Express, the new G5s, the new Cinema Panel displays, and OSX Tiger.

Requires Quicktime, 1h 40m long.
Title: WWDC 2004 Video
Post by: cahult on 4 July 2004, 23:17
I like the new cinema displays. 30" is surely one of the biggest screens I
Title: WWDC 2004 Video
Post by: WMD on 5 July 2004, 21:38
...and it requires a special video card with 2 DVI-outs, the only one being the GF6800, which costs $500.  Plus the $3300 for the display itself.  :eek:

If you notice, Apple doesn't sell any CRT, making their cheapest display $600.  Something tells me Jobs will never learn.  :(

Still, everything there kicks major ass.  :D
Title: WWDC 2004 Video
Post by: Orethrius on 6 July 2004, 06:52
quote:
Originally posted by WMD:
Jobs pimping AirPort Express, the new G5s, the new Cinema Panel displays, and OSX Tiger.


Let me start by saying that I seriously misread that line as saying that somebody needed people to pimp AirPort, G5s, Cinema Panels, and Tiger - and were willing to pay for them.  That being said, in response to Apple offering their lowest-priced screen for $600 and phasing out CRT in favor of LCDs - this simply means that Apple, once again, is ahead of the curve. :cool:   Check out Toshiba or Samsung some time - they're starting to phase out CRTs as well.
Title: WWDC 2004 Video
Post by: Refalm on 6 July 2004, 23:09
Dual Dual DVI plug's  :eek:

This all makes me wonder: do they get enough money in to develop and market all this stuff? I mean, the only people who are going to buy a 30" display is the industry.
Title: WWDC 2004 Video
Post by: Stilly on 10 July 2004, 13:53
wow automator looks pretty damn handy.

and core image looks pretty sweet too...

tiger looks like a pretty good release, i probably wont skip this one like i did with panther
Title: WWDC 2004 Video
Post by: Refalm on 10 July 2004, 21:06
quote:
The Stiller: tiger looks like a pretty good release, i probably wont skip this one like i did with panther


I understand that you could upgrade from Mac OS 7 to 8 to 9 for free? Why do they sell their Mac OS X releases for like $ 100? Why not a free upgrade package?
Title: WWDC 2004 Video
Post by: WMD on 10 July 2004, 22:49
quote:
Originally posted by Refalm:
I understand that you could upgrade from Mac OS 7 to 8 to 9 for free?


Not that I know of.  Apple always release partial "service pack" like updates, such as 7.5.3-7.5.5, or 8.5-8.6, or 9.0-9.1-9.2.  However, they changed the versioning for OSX - it's 10.2, 10.2.1, 10.2.2....10.2.7, 10.2.8, and then 10.3 is a whole different thing.
Title: WWDC 2004 Video
Post by: hm_murdock on 11 July 2004, 02:25
Fuck Tiger.

I ditched OS X because Panther. I was liking where things were going with Jag. It was getting fast, slick, streamlined, stable.

Then Panther came along. It's flaky, sluggish, jerky, and buggy.

Oh, yeah, and I finally got sick of  hearing from Apple that my 3 year old computer is a POS and can't even run their (formerly) free apps.

Fuck Apple, fuck OS X. I spent $1200 on a computer in 2001, only for it to be marginalized the same year.

OS 9 was better. OPENSTEP was better. OS X is a bastard child that is a watered down derivative of the two.

I'm doing my part to make computing better with GenSTEP and I'll succeed by jingo.

My opinion is that OS X sucks now. I remember two years ago, everybody was like "OMG!!! MAC OS X!!! OMFG!!!"

Now everybody is back to saying "Apple is dead". Because now they are. Jobs is running Apple's computer business into the ground by intentionally snubbing the low-end out of spite (Apple started on the low end, and made their name there) and forcing bloat into the software.

OPENSTEP was an amazing OS, and it looked even better as it evolved into Rhapsody, and it looked amazing when they first unveiled OS X... but even back then people were telling them "this is slow... why is it slow?" Apple never did anything for the speed. EVER.

Apple's best days are gone. Now they're all about selling ugly ass, overpriced, underpowered, trendy computers, and their resource hog OS that hasn't seen real improvement since 10.2. They're the iPod company now. They should stop making computers before the only memory of the Macintosh is that elitist, overpriced, slow as shit box that everybody stopped using.

Viva Linux & Windows. I now run a computer of equal age, with Red Hat 9 and Windows XP and I have no speed problems. My iMac had AGP 4x video, but it was still sluggish, videos were nearly unwatchable, and trying to scroll was hopeless. Now I run a PCI vid card (a GeForce4, albiet) and have great video playback, amazing 3D, and no GUI sluggishness. What's that tell you?

Quartz sucks shit.

Just forget Apple.

[ July 10, 2004: Message edited by: JimmyJames: GenSTEP Founder ]

Title: WWDC 2004 Video
Post by: Stilly on 11 July 2004, 02:36
quote:
Originally posted by Refalm:


I understand that you could upgrade from Mac OS 7 to 8 to 9 for free? Why do they sell their Mac OS X releases for like $ 100? Why not a free upgrade package?


because they can get away with charging that much  :(  

but you can always get it free if you look hard enough
Title: WWDC 2004 Video
Post by: hm_murdock on 11 July 2004, 02:49
they seem to have strange ideas... instead of trying to increase profits by opening up to more people, and getting more customers, they're only interested in milking existing customers, not caring if they lose them. When enough people are gone, they come out with some new thing, charge an assload for it, and get some more quick cash.

They seem very desperate in their business practices.
Title: WWDC 2004 Video
Post by: WMD on 11 July 2004, 21:08
quote:
Originally posted by JimmyJames: GenSTEP Founder:
I ditched OS X because Panther. I was liking where things were going with Jag. It was getting fast, slick, streamlined, stable.

Then Panther came along. It's flaky, sluggish, jerky, and buggy.


Why not stick with Jaguar?
Title: WWDC 2004 Video
Post by: Paladin9 on 12 July 2004, 00:51
quote:
Originally posted by The Stiller:
because they can get away with charging that much   :(  

but you can always get it free if you look hard enough


Charging too much?  $100 sounds a lot better than $400 for the full version of xp pro.
Title: WWDC 2004 Video
Post by: M51DPS on 12 July 2004, 03:09
quote:
Originally posted by The Stiller:
wow automator looks pretty damn handy.


I remember I saw some interesting comments about Automator on slashdot and what happens when you combine the privacy settings with Safari.

The new privacy feature makes it so that while it's turned on and you're surfing, Safari doesn't save anything to cache, doesn't save cookies, and doesn't save history, making your session completely secure.

One of the demonstrations with Automator was making it download all images on a given page over a certain size, making it perfect for easily downloading photo galleries.

What I'm wonder is if Steve is trying to make it easier for us to get porn.
Title: WWDC 2004 Video
Post by: Stilly on 12 July 2004, 04:25
quote:
Originally posted by Paladin9:


Charging too much?  $100 sounds a lot better than $400 for the full version of xp pro.

it really depends on when you start using osx

i haven't spent anything since i got jag on a pbook

but there are people that started with 10.0(not sure what it used to cost) then spent 130 for jag and then 130 for panther and now 130 for tiger

thats a lot of money, even spread over a few years
Title: WWDC 2004 Video
Post by: hm_murdock on 12 July 2004, 05:05
quote:
Charging too much? $100 sounds a lot better than $400 for the full version of xp pro.


You mean the $279 street price that you find nearly everywhere?
Title: WWDC 2004 Video
Post by: Paladin9 on 14 July 2004, 05:25
Um... let me clear things up.  OS 10.0 cost me $129 when it first came out.  The UPGRADE to 10.1 was free.  You just had to have one of those thingy's that is proof you bought OSX (OSX comes with like 3).  Otherwise you had to buy the full version of 10.1 for $129.  10.2 cost $129 no matter what and same for 10.3.  I am not sure what they will do with 10.4.
Title: WWDC 2004 Video
Post by: Stilly on 14 July 2004, 05:53
well why would they decide to randomly switch around their price structure just for this one?
Title: WWDC 2004 Video
Post by: Paladin9 on 14 July 2004, 06:18
quote:
Originally posted by the stiller:
well why would they decide to randomly switch around their price structure just for this one?


Well, this one will probably cost $129 again.
Title: WWDC 2004 Video
Post by: Kay4u on 19 July 2004, 23:20
Hay Guys, look at this:

WWDC 2004 Keynote (http://a772.g.akamai.net/7/2047/1141/300_04/neo.qtv.apple.com/secure/jun/wwdc_2004/wwdc_300.mov)

When you go to it do you get an "Access Denied" Message?
Title: WWDC 2004 Video
Post by: Kay4u on 19 July 2004, 23:25
quote:
Now they're all about selling ugly ass, overpriced, underpowered, trendy computers


JimmyJames, Look at this video, it might explain something to you:

MHz Myth (http://movies.differentdistrict.com/play.php?id=943_0_28_0_M57)
Title: WWDC 2004 Video
Post by: xyle_one on 20 July 2004, 00:26
quote:
Originally posted by Kay4u:


JimmyJames, Look at this video, it might explain something to you:

MHz Myth (http://movies.differentdistrict.com/play.php?id=943_0_28_0_M57)

You are trying to educate jimmyjames on something he probably knows more about then you do. thats some funny shit.