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Operating Systems => macOS => Topic started by: Mistshadow on 13 January 2004, 03:20

Title: tell me about mac os
Post by: Mistshadow on 13 January 2004, 03:20
Seriously. I haven't been near a Mac since before Windows even existed. Just for example, what kind of software is included besides just the os? I know such-and-such is included, but what is like? Where are there screnshots online? And so on.

[ January 12, 2004: Message edited by: Mistshadow ]

Title: tell me about mac os
Post by: Fett101 on 13 January 2004, 04:06
Um..

http://www.apple.com/ (http://www.apple.com/)
http://www.apple.com/macosx/ (http://www.apple.com/macosx/)
Title: tell me about mac os
Post by: Pissed_Macman on 13 January 2004, 08:01
OS X comes with tons of great Apps. iTunes, Safari, iMovie, great stuff.
Title: tell me about mac os
Post by: hm_murdock on 13 January 2004, 08:47
It's a completely different world than it used to be

(http://ecsyle.com/jimmy/media/osx.jpg)
Title: tell me about mac os
Post by: Pissed_Macman on 13 January 2004, 21:00
You honestly typed "microsuck.com" into your browser and went to the forums before you thought of going to Apple.com?
Title: tell me about mac os
Post by: Mistshadow on 13 January 2004, 21:12
Been to apple.com a dozen times or so, but thanks for being rude anyway. I want to know what the software is *like*, not just lists of what there is. How much graphics-editing software is availible for osx besides photoshop? Any as good as the gimp? Does iTunes sounds as good as xmms on Linux (best mp3 playing program I've ever heard)? Any better office/word processing apps besides M$ office? Stuff like that.

I understand some unix/bsd software works on osx, it being a bsd system. How compatible is it with the majority of 'nix programs? And what about updating? Linux updates with a click and a confirmation; how easy is it on osx?
Title: tell me about mac os
Post by: hm_murdock on 13 January 2004, 12:19
quote:
Been to apple.com a dozen times or so, but thanks for being rude anyway. I want to know what the software is *like*, not just lists of what there is.



It's great. It really is.

 
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How much graphics-editing software is availible for osx besides photoshop?


A considerable amount.

 
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Any as good as the gimp?


Yes. In fact, the Gimp is one of them... however it requires running X11. It doesn't run natively using Quartz yet... I don't think.

 
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Does iTunes sounds as good as xmms on Linux (best mp3 playing program I've ever heard)?


Yes, it does. Oh, iTunes also handles real playlists and it manages your files. It also is your portal to the iTunes Music Service.

 
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Any better office/word processing apps besides M$ office? Stuff like that.


What's wrong with MS Office for Mac? Nothing. MS's Mac products are top quality, always outshining their Windows counterparts.

 
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I understand some unix/bsd software works on osx, it being a bsd system. How compatible is it with the majority of 'nix programs?


Mac OS X runs an entire BSD subsystem through Mach, the microkernel at the heart of it all. Then, atop the BSD layers are Mac OS X. OS X is in fact NeXTStep. Mac OS X can run native Cocoa (OS X's native API), YellowBox (OpenStep), Carbon (transitional from Mac OS 8.6-9.2.2), Classic (old Mac OS apps), and is code-compatible with BSD, and most Linux apps.

But the question is... why would you want to run UNIX apps on it? They won't run using Quartz, won't use Aqua, won't act like native apps, and won't follow the UI guidelines. If you're thinking that Mac OS X is "Just Another Unix"... you're wrong.

 
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And what about updating? Linux updates with a click and a confirmation; how easy is it on osx?


Just about the same. Software Update does it for you.
Title: tell me about mac os
Post by: hm_murdock on 13 January 2004, 12:21
whoa... I just realized something. You haven't used a Mac since before Windows existed? So you haven't used a Mac since 1985?
Title: tell me about mac os
Post by: Refalm on 13 January 2004, 20:16
quote:
Jimmy don't give a shit about MS: whoa... I just realized something. You haven't used a Mac since before Windows existed? So you haven't used a Mac since 1985?


Many people still think that Bill Gates invented computers as we know them.

Compare:
Title: tell me about mac os
Post by: Mistshadow on 13 January 2004, 21:57
THanks, Jimmy! That's exactly the kind of stuff I wanted to know.:-D Haven't used one since I was kid in school. Now I need money!

Yeah, Refalm, it's amazing, isn't it, considering how M$ took over the market when it was originally just a poor man's computer? And it's still way behind osx & linux in quality. Great example of successful mass brainwashing.
Title: tell me about mac os
Post by: hm_murdock on 14 January 2004, 01:03
System 2 didn't support color per se. The Mac II did. System 2 looked the same as System 1, down to the monochrome appearance scheme. Mac OS didn't get a "color look" and graphics until System 7. But it did support 256 color graphics in 1987, along with 24-bit color via the Williams Color Model.
Title: tell me about mac os
Post by: mushrooomprince on 14 January 2004, 04:55
(http://www.themagicmushroom.com/sigs/macosx.jpg)
Title: tell me about mac os
Post by: Pissed_Macman on 14 January 2004, 21:08
quote:
but thanks for being rude anyway.


No problem.
Title: tell me about mac os
Post by: Claris on 15 January 2004, 04:19
quote:
Originally posted by Mistshadow:


I understand some unix/bsd software works on osx, it being a bsd system. How compatible is it with the majority of 'nix programs?


Unix programs run like a dream through an app called FinkCommander. I'm not sure what exactly it does, but I do know it's the best and easiest way to enable Unix apps on Mac.

 
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 And what about updating? Linux updates with a click and a confirmation; how easy is it on osx?


OS X has a great feature called Software Update, which automatically checks the Apple server at user-defined intervals for system updates. It easy, automatically updates any and all Apple software, from the system to iTunes to Quicktime.

and it's very hackable, skinable, etc. looky:

(http://homepage.mac.com/neonsoldierx/.Pictures/Desktop.jpg)
Title: tell me about mac os
Post by: hm_murdock on 15 January 2004, 06:15
some of you guys with the ultra custom desktops trip me out
Title: tell me about mac os
Post by: Mistshadow on 15 January 2004, 06:51
Sure as hell looks good.  (http://smile.gif)  Comfortable, with a slightly Unix-y feel.

THanks again, guys. That's the sort of thing I wanted to know. Unfortunately, the ads tend to just mention what software is included, with little description of the software, and compare it to Windows. I mean, when it comes to stability, lack of viruses, customizable, etc. you get all that with Linux. I was like "what else? what's it like to use?"
Title: tell me about mac os
Post by: Stilly on 15 January 2004, 07:01
that wraith icon is badass, where'd u get it?
Title: tell me about mac os
Post by: hm_murdock on 15 January 2004, 08:10
it's the default icon of Starcraft's Carbon patch
Title: tell me about mac os
Post by: Stilly on 15 January 2004, 21:11
thats crazy cool
Title: tell me about mac os
Post by: hm_murdock on 15 January 2004, 11:53
double post, please delete this one

[ January 15, 2004: Message edited by: Jimmy don't give a shit about MS ]

Title: tell me about mac os
Post by: hm_murdock on 16 January 2004, 00:44
UNIX-y feel?

Not really. You have to *go look for* the UNIX stuff. Your portal is Terminal ( located at /Applications/Utilities/Terminal.app). Terminal is just that... it's like xterm in *nix.

But, Mac OS X is a strange animal, it's both "a UNIX" and "not a UNIX".

Darwin, the core bits of the OS are built from the Mach kernel, using a BSD subsystem. All the utilities are from BSD code.

You never see any of the UNIX, because, honestly, it has no bearing on what you're doing. The BSD subsystem provides kernel-level drivers for hardware and devices. User-level access is provided through the NeXTStep layers that ride atop UNIX.

If you know anything at all about NeXTStep or OpenStep, or Rhapsody, then you can bank on it that OS X is 99% the same.

The parts that make it OS X, though, are all high-level Objective-C classes and frameworks that ride atop Darwin. All of those parts could easily run on any OS. Be it Linux, NT, Be OS, or even Mac OS 9.2.2.

Native OS X apps use one of two APIs, Cocoa, which is an updated version of YellowBox (the NeXTStep/OpenStep API), and Carbon, which is an overhaul of the classic Mac OS API. Carbon can run natively on both OS 9 and OS X.

UNIX apps are much lower level, and are kinda primitive in comparison. UNIX apps cannot access Quartz (the display layer) or use Aqua (the UI and appearance). OS X doesn't include X11. It can be installed from Disc 3 of the OS X 10.3 CD, or downloaded from Apple, but I think it only runs on 10.3 now.

[ January 15, 2004: Message edited by: Jimmy don't give a shit about MS ]

Title: tell me about mac os
Post by: idlepython3 on 16 January 2004, 02:07
i'm a mac virgin myself, and those pics just make me envy you mac owners.  only time i've used osx was once at a compusa, it was a mac dual g4 with that widescreen display they have.  damn i wish m$ hadn't put me in their pocket already or else i'd go out and buy one right now.
Title: tell me about mac os
Post by: hm_murdock on 16 January 2004, 03:46
sell your peecees!
Title: tell me about mac os
Post by: WMD on 16 January 2004, 06:37
Hmmm...from looking at the screenshots here, I see some of KDE and XFCE for Linux.  Who copied off of who?  :D  (read: i really don't know, when did the OSX look first show on Mac?)
Title: tell me about mac os
Post by: hm_murdock on 16 January 2004, 14:12
1984.

The Mac OS X UI evolved mainly from the classic Mac OS.

You're gonna see all kinds of stuff.

But as for accurate, look at my screenie. It's in a nearly default state. The Dock at the bottom is an evolution of the NeXTStep Dock. The desktop is provided by the Finder, and it works pretty much the same way it has since 1984.

(http://jimmyjames.sytes.net/media/xagain.jpg)

That shows a Finder window in Column view.

(http://jimmyjames.sytes.net/media/stillxagain.jpg)

And that's a Finder window in Tree view. There's of course the good 'ol fashioned icon view as well. Finder is VERY different from other desktops, in that it's laid out so drastically differently.

The list of folders over on the left is the Sidebar. You can drop icons over there. Folders, Apps, documents. anything. It holds them kinda like a dock. Click on a folder and it opens in the current window. Drop something on a folder in the sidebar and the object you're dropping is copied or moved to the folder, based on what you want to do. Drop a document on an app icon and it opens in the app.

The sidebar can be closed up, and even turned completely off, along with the toolbar, by clicking that little widget in the top right of the window. Without the toolbar, Finder windows lose the brushed look. I kinda like it though.
Title: tell me about mac os
Post by: Stilly on 17 January 2004, 04:53
kinda off topic but thats all the new finder is? allt hey did was move the files that were at the top of the window to the side and made it all ugly
Title: tell me about mac os
Post by: hm_murdock on 17 January 2004, 13:14
yeah. that's all they did. add the sidebar and made it brushed metal. they made some under-the-hood changes.

what should they have done?
Title: tell me about mac os
Post by: Stilly on 17 January 2004, 13:20
I dont know, but they made a fairly big deal of it and I was afraid it might be too different
Title: tell me about mac os
Post by: hm_murdock on 19 January 2004, 01:22
seeing as it's the second MAJOR change to  the Finder since it was created... it's pretty big. lol

The Finder didn't change much at all between the original and Mac OS 9.2.2.

In OS X it got reworked, obviously. And then it got these changes made to it.
Title: tell me about mac os
Post by: psyjax on 24 January 2004, 04:00
quote:
Originally posted by The Stiller:
I dont know, but they made a fairly big deal of it and I was afraid it might be too different


I must say stiller, it does make a big diffrence to workflow. At first I didn't like it. I thought it was a bit bulky, and brushed metal allways anoyed me, but once I started using the new fetures I quickly saw the advantage of the changes.

Before you would go digging alot in OSX to find what you wanted. If your a file horder like me, this can be a trying endevor. Now the finder has all the stuff you use all the time one click away.

You can change the finder back to it's normal look by clicking the losenge shaped button on the top-right.

Also, the built in search function is incredibly responsive, even on my G4 400 laptop. It was definetly a good move.

BTW Jimmy, those are some spectacular posts you made before! Good work!
Title: tell me about mac os
Post by: Stilly on 24 January 2004, 05:57
sounds like expose, it doesn't seem that useful until you use it
Title: tell me about mac os
Post by: solarflare on 25 January 2004, 01:58
quote:
Originally posted by Mistshadow:
Seriously. I haven't been near a Mac since before Windows even existed. Just for example, what kind of software is included besides just the os? I know such-and-such is included, but what is like? Where are there screnshots online? And so on.

[ January 12, 2004: Message edited by: Mistshadow ]


I would advise going into a shop thats sells macs and try one out!

But don't be brainwashed by the pc weanies working in the store to buy a pc!
Title: tell me about mac os
Post by: Pissed_Macman on 25 January 2004, 04:23
"They are going to stop making Macs in seven years, so I suggest you look at our line of PCs."

Dumbasses.
Title: tell me about mac os
Post by: solarflare on 25 January 2004, 22:01
quote:
Originally posted by Makman:
"They are going to stop making Macs in seven years, so I suggest you look at our line of PCs."

Dumbasses.



BOLLOCKS!!!

FUCKOFF PC WANKER!

GET A LIFE YOU FUCKIN SHEEP AND WAKE UP AND SMALL THE COFFEE - EVEN MICROSOFT WAS QUOTED THE OTHER DAY SAYING 'MAC ARE GOING TO HAVE A NEW RENNAISANCE'

MEANING (FOR THOSE SHIT EATING PC USERS OUT THERE): Apple's market share IS increasing!

NOW FUCKOFF LOSER AND BUY A MAC.
Title: tell me about mac os
Post by: Claris on 25 January 2004, 23:31
quote:
Originally posted by solarflare:



BOLLOCKS!!!

FUCKOFF PC WANKER!

GET A LIFE YOU FUCKIN SHEEP AND WAKE UP AND SMALL THE COFFEE - EVEN MICROSOFT WAS QUOTED THE OTHER DAY SAYING 'MAC ARE GOING TO HAVE A NEW RENNAISANCE'

MEANING (FOR THOSE SHIT EATING PC USERS OUT THERE): Apple's market share IS increasing!

NOW FUCKOFF LOSER AND BUY A MAC.


I believe he was joking.
Title: tell me about mac os
Post by: Pissed_Macman on 26 January 2004, 00:23
quote:
Originally posted by solarflare:



BOLLOCKS!!!

FUCKOFF PC WANKER!

GET A LIFE YOU FUCKIN SHEEP AND WAKE UP AND SMALL THE COFFEE - EVEN MICROSOFT WAS QUOTED THE OTHER DAY SAYING 'MAC ARE GOING TO HAVE A NEW RENNAISANCE'

MEANING (FOR THOSE SHIT EATING PC USERS OUT THERE): Apple's market share IS increasing!

NOW FUCKOFF LOSER AND BUY A MAC.


Woah, did you notice the quotes around that? And did you also notice my name? There was a thread a while back where a store manager told someone they are going to stop making Macs in 7 years. I was only referring to that. Jeesh.
Title: tell me about mac os
Post by: TheQuirk on 26 January 2004, 00:32
HEY! He didn't ask for your opinion, you PC wanker!