Stop Microsoft
All Things Microsoft => Microsoft as a Company => Topic started by: psyjax on 24 September 2002, 23:22
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http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104-959112.html (http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104-959112.html)
I found this on Slashdot, thought y'all might find it good for a laugh or two.
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I especially like this (http://forums.com.com/group/zd.News.Talkback/zdnn/tb.tpt/@thread@93636@F@1@D-,D@ALL/@article@93929?EXP=ALL&VWM=hr&ROS=1&PAGETP=2100&NODEID=1104&SHOST=zdnet.com.com) reader feedback. (http://smile.gif)
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Oh my goodness. The twat speaks again. Is this man for real. I mean he stated in that speech, that M$ cannot beat Linux on price, he accepted that at the moment M$ cannot beat linux in clustering (ooohhh...big fucking suprise there Ballmer me old mate) and cannot beat it on value.
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"We will beat Linux on clusters. We can't beat them on price, but we have to add value."
You see that? They have to add value in order to beat current Linux.
Read it carefully. You can see that he is stating that currently M$ cannot efficiently distribute Bug fixes, is not really changing it's security policy and is so blind they will not even develop for a growing market of prospective customers, because they like to use other peoples products as well.
Who wants to be an MVP. Recognised by your peers not through an exam - That should be I know nothing special but I have kissed Ballmers big fat flabby one.
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What I find more interesting than anything is that I have now read through about half of the reader feedbacks and not a *single* one has been pro-M$. Every single one has slammed monkey boy and Microsoft. And most have been pro-Linux.
Now a few months ago you *never* would have seen this at most it would have been 50/50 mixed with pro-M$ drivel. I suppose it could have something to do with the /. effect but still. I am very excited about the changing in attitude and the realization that M$ is bad bad bad bad...
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I think it's because people's mindsets are changing, they have realised they don't need M$.
Lets face it M$ is becoming easier and easier to put down. And as more people convert more problems with the way M$ works are discovered. It's all a kind of knock-on effect. The pro M$ ers are keeping low, because they don't usually win a fight - except M$ is well user friendly like - now that depends on your opinion.
[ September 24, 2002: Message edited by: pkd ]
[ September 24, 2002: Message edited by: pkd ]
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Here's an example of why M$ is about to die (http://forums.com.com/group/zd.News.Talkback/zdnn/tb.tpt/@thread@93636@F@1@D-,D@ALL/@article@93706?EXP=ALL&VWM=hr&ROS=1&PAGETP=2100&NODEID=1104&SHOST=zdnet.com.com) a rapid and painful death and why open source rules (http://forums.com.com/group/zd.News.Talkback/zdnn/tb.tpt/@thread@93636@F@1@D-,D@ALL/@article@93752?EXP=ALL&VWM=hr&ROS=1&PAGETP=2100&NODEID=1104&SHOST=zdnet.com.com).
[ September 24, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]
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can i get a round for this guy?! and a one finger salute to M$'s death?
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Dear Mr. Ballmer,
You seem to have finally realized that you can't embrace/extend/extinguish Linux, and that MS can't simply bankrupt the companies who support it ( as you have Novel, Netscape, and several hundred others ). With the provisions of the GPL you can't even steal it and give it away for free just to drive the competition out of business ( as you did with Stacker, Netscape, and a host of others ). Most of MS' unethical tactics won't work against this slowly awakening giant. With your SPA/BSA insult letters and your new larcenous licensing program, you have driven many previously loyal customers away. Once I was a Microsoft booster, now I am a critic. Linux did not cause this, you did. If Linux supplants MS-Windows, it will be Microsoft's own fault.
Because of Microsoft's business practices our company has replaced their products throughout the business. Some people have pointed out that we are only 350 people, therefore too small to take as an example. However, companies like us are the majority of Microsoft's market. Many small companies who need computers to do business run MS-Windows because (1) it's easy, and (2) that's what comes on them from the vendor. Due to Microsoft's behavior, this is changing. Vendors are finally offering alternatives for the first time in over two decades. Companies like our own are discovering both BSD and Linux. We switched our DPC from Windows NT to FreeBSD. We switched our workstations from Windows NT to KDE/Linux. We had no problem finding Open Source applications to replace SQL ( MySQL ), IIS ( Apache ), Exchange ( Send Mail ), and MS Office ( Sun Star Office ). Was all of this free? No, absolutely not. However, it was the same functionality for a lot less money. This saved the company several hundred thousand dollars a year. This enabled us to avoid layoffs and save jobs, which means we saved PEOPLE. What's more important to your company?
It is having to make decisions like this that are actually driving companies away from MS and toward Linux. Linux is not attracting us, Microsoft is pushing us away. The problem is in Microsoft's own behavior ... and it can only be solved with soul searching, then action to change your unethical business practices, and most of all valuing your customers. Until then Microsoft will continue to lose customers, and once gone they may never return. This trend is not someone else's fault, it's a direct result of Microsoft's business practices. Therefore, it can't be fought by out-smarting someone else.
Microsoft must look in the mirror with honesty and walk away a changed beast, or no amount of vendor lock-in commingled spaghetti code can save you.
Regards,
Jon
At my workplace, we are investigating alternatives to M$. i am using StarOffice and mozilla, most of the staff is using mozilla now as well. We are looking at mac for our workstations (Architectural firm, we need autocad or something better, like Archicad). My goal now is to learn linux and get it running in place of our win2k server.
*ecsyle*
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There be a lot of "MS will" in that.
Question, why "will", why not "have"?
Posting security patches is a security risk? I've noticed the Linux community seems pleased to provide such patches as it makes a better product.
Hey that's it Stevie 'Monkeyboy' Bullmer... BETTER PRODUCT.
I'm in business and I'm not moving over to open source software for fun. It aint the price Stevie it's the BETTER PRODUCT.
Oh, did I mention that Linux/GPL/open source is a BETTER PRODUCT? I think I did. :rolleyes:
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Yay! MS is dying! My guess is that Palladium is their last chance to live, let alone have a future 8 years from now, so they are putting all their efforts into the big P.
They may be in so much trouble that Palladium just won't succeed in time. There is still the risk of them succeeding. So, if everyone interupts the Palladium launch somehow, MS is doomed.
Wow, can you believe the MS saga is playing out like an epic story about an evil empire? So the final battle will take place in 2004 no doubt. They will either win, or lose. If they look much worse in that year, we would know for sure that they lost.
BTW, when will Palladium be started?
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2 or 3 years so i am led to believe.
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Hmmm I came across this article. http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1107-942699.html (http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1107-942699.html)
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When does this happen?
Published reports have suggested as early as 2004. I'm pretty skeptical about that. I don't think Palladium will be ready for significant commercial release that soon.
Once Palladium is released, I expect it will receive a very cautious reception. Customers with the greatest need for security--financial, health care, and government organizations--will be the first to adopt it. But even then, there will be a lag. The market will wait for proof that Palladium really is trustworthy. It will also wait for all the new hardware and software that will be required for Palladium to function. If Palladium is successful, it could be a nice shot-in-the-arm for the beleaguered hardware industry.
My best bet is, we won't see significant real use of Palladium in real-world applications before about 2006, and that the whole grand strategy won't really hit until the 2008-2010 time frame.
If they need to wait until 2008 until massive implementation, they lose! Is this article accurate?
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Originally posted by lazygamer:
Yay! MS is dying! My guess is that Palladium is their last chance to live, let alone have a future 8 years from now, so they are putting all their efforts into the big P.
They may be in so much trouble that Palladium just won't succeed in time. There is still the risk of them succeeding. So, if everyone interupts the Palladium launch somehow, MS is doomed.
Wow, can you believe the MS saga is playing out like an epic story about an evil empire? So the final battle will take place in 2004 no doubt. They will either win, or lose. If they look much worse in that year, we would know for sure that they lost.
BTW, when will Palladium be started?
hmm.... Palladium is starting right now. Some new laptops already have 'fritz' chips.
Anyway, you touched on soemthing.
Perhapse Palladium is a M$'s way of holding the front. It's trying to lock in the market so that the threat of Linux as the desktop OS of the future will be lessened.
Since they can't compete, they will trap everyone they can before Linux takes over.
When this happen's I'll switch to PC and run RedHat.... or maybe wait till Project Marklar goes thrugh :D
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The very fact that MS is even talking about Linux is proof that they are scared.
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Hold on a second, if palladium is turned off by default, and relies on palladium enabled software, this means two things:
1) dipshits will not turn it on (continued insecurity)
2) dipshits will have to upgrade their $oftware. (microsoft's real intention)
But like someone mentioned, it will be about two years for this scheme to launch. That means that palladium will be an unknown vaporware until then, in the meantime, people are going to be asking questions, and frankly, there is enough time for people to realize that it is crap!
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Its half true that the frizt chips are already with us, the chips in question are the new mobile P4 processors for laptops codenamed "bianas" or somthing, they are not out till next year anyway.
Besides laptops are complete systems anyway, but also whats crucial is that for these things to work you need the new version of windows, windows Longhorn.
So we are safe for the time being.
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Here is M$'s plan.
First see to it that fritz chips are on all PCs. That is so that everyone will have fritz chips even before paladium is out. Since they have already monopolied both Intel and AMD into TCPA, they seem to be achieveing this already. The only question is wether on not non fritz chips will be available at all in the near future. Notice that fritz chips are coming out even before Paladium is ready. The windoze upgrade cycle will ensure people have them.
Now that they have everyone on fritz already, and the have the masses using XP, they start putting paladium on people's computers. Remember their EULA's folks, thats right, M$ has the right to automatically install software on any computer using XP. People may not really want Paladium, well, they will get it anyways. Notice that many people have already adopted XP. And they will stop supporting and offering non-palladium software as well.
Now Bill 'Hitler' Gates has full control of peoples computers. So next, he sees to it that only signed software will run at all on the computers of the masses. This forces developers to make only signed software, which cannot run on linux. Perhaps he could even Monopoly the chipmakers into making it so that only windows runs on their chips, who knows, by this point he can do whatever he wants.
So, who is going to stop this from happening. Seems to me that the anti M$ folks are just waiting to see what the US gov does in its current lawsuit. Somehow I don't think were going to see anything significant from them. By the time the gov adresses the paladium issue, it will be too late. People are stupid. And they will just stand around and let this happen before their very eyes without even lifting a finger.
Anyway, I am scared of this because Paladium could easily get out and become mainstream even if nobody really wants it. M$ has a reputation of using every dirty trick in the book to force their will upon people. To stop this, its going to take a major move from someone. If serious action is not taken, M$ will get its way.
V
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Are you in Yokohama Japan, or Yokohama the fast food chain that sells yummy teriyaki chicken bowls, and crispy egg rolls with yummy sweet and sour sauce?
How come we don't have "hungry" instant Graemlins?
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Originally posted by RudeCat7:
Are you in Yokohama Japan, or Yokohama the fast food chain that sells yummy teriyaki chicken bowls, and crispy egg rolls with yummy sweet and sour sauce?
How come we don't have "hungry" instant Graemlins?
So now there is a teriyaki fast food chain called Yokohama...what will they think of next. Live in Japan, born and raised in the US. Guess I should make that more clear in my profile.
V (http://tongue.gif)
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oops Novell is pissed. M$ say bankrupt and Novell say $600 million in the bank and sales growth.
http://www.infomaticsonline.co.uk/News/1135365 (http://www.infomaticsonline.co.uk/News/1135365)
Similar to above story.
let's hear ya developers developers developers ...makes you wonder if they are ever going to shut the idiot up.
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What more value could Microsoft poosibly add? More spyway or more more DMCA crap? Maybe both will add more "value".
And yes Monkeyboy (Steve Ballmer), your developers suck!
The only survival change Microsoft has, is doing less spyware, less DMCA, less bugs and more listening to customers.
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Well, M$ only shows 45% of their code in their "shared source" program. That's because the other 55% is spyware/bugware/DRM and back doors. I have a feeling the percentages that people will ever see in the future (if at all) will be even less.
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Just what is being shared in their shared source program anyways? Windows XP source in general?
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Now Bill 'Hitler' Gates has full control of peoples computers. So next, he sees to it that only signed software will run at all on the computers of the masses. This forces developers to make only signed software, which cannot run on linux. Perhaps he could even Monopoly the chipmakers into making it so that only windows runs on their chips, who knows, by this point he can do whatever he wants.
Sounds scary, so the question is not whether Palladium is dangerous, but how do we mobilize the troops? The best thing I can see for now is getting an anti-palladium site into a very high position on alot of search engines. Not sure if it would add it automatically or not. Search engines are susposed to automatically add content, or so I've heard. Perhaps something in the site that fools search engines into thinking it's a pro palladium site or a general palladium info site? Then someone types in Palladium or Palladium FAQ etc.
While you might think that the search engines are in bed with Microsoft, I think the search engines have to be one of the most moraless, neutral, libraries of corruption I've ever seen. If people truly had jurisdiction over what gets on there... I would know. ;)
What I want to know is, if Microsoft goes bankrupt, will Fritz be a technology that fails to go anywhere(but still stays in chips perhaps) because open source has taken over the market? If MS does go bankrupt and fritz just happens to be everywhere, then perhaps the fritz threat is essential to not getting blacklisted by people? Any source that is closed in an OS could hide a Fritz. Hmmm could usher in an era where paranoia of Fritz makes closed source OS's obsolete?
What if someone had XP, and some Fritz tech at the same time, will MS really bother implementing Fritz stuff into an XP service pack(or phoning home and secretly installing it), or will they just wait until Longhorn? I would hope they'd wait until Longhorn, XP is not so bad if you have a pirated version(so i've found).
Ok suppose we go back to an earlier windoze, would MS have dormant Fritz installing backdoors in those too?
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(http://zdnet.com.com/i/ne/p/092402ballmer.jpg)
i nearly ranted this
but it is a circle jerk
ballmer needs to realise that the internet is not a place
and that an operating system is not an ideal
and that we are not an army
and that he is not a general
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he is a jackass
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I think that Microsoft will make palidium, have a very vitorious battle to figt the other Operating Systems, and then Microsoft will be shut down by the DOJ. Of cource, this is a prediction.
Maybe Microsoft will get shut down for fruad or somthing. My philosphy is too do things when you can, and as soon as you can. If you have an idea, do it... You may not be here tommorow.
I will crush Microsoft myself, i get enough money when im 18 (result of legal stuff) too goto the USA, where i will gather a live MES. Where we will be phisically connected, not over the net.
I think my plan would be too form a group inside Microsoft. From inside Microsoft i would get co-workers and convert them too Anti-Microsoft.
Because i did convert my school to Anti-Microsoft (Simpily by dumping anonymus Anti-Microsoft documents around the place), so i can convert a office of idiots. (If you want too learn how clever the Microsoft Employee's are, then see Windows XP :D
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Originally posted by Ex Eleven / b0b:
I think that Microsoft will make palidium, have a very vitorious battle to figt the other Operating Systems, and then Microsoft will be shut down by the DOJ. Of cource, this is a prediction.
Well,I think you overestimate the DOJ. For one, both M$ and the pigopolist RIAA and MPAA have enough money in the pockets or the politicians and have so many lobbists working for them to impact the DOJs decision in a major way. Furthermore, given the slow pace with which the DOJ reacts to these types of issues, hearings would not likely begin until after the Palladium release -notice pc with fritz already on the market, and longhorn underway- and by the time all trials, appeals, sentencing, and sentancing appeals have been concluded, it will be almost too late to save the industry.
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Maybe Microsoft will get shut down for fruad or somthing. My philosphy is too do things when you can, and as soon as you can. If you have an idea, do it... You may not be here tommorow.
I will crush Microsoft myself, i get enough money when im 18 (result of legal stuff) too goto the USA, where i will gather a live MES. Where we will be phisically connected, not over the net.
I think my plan would be too form a group inside Microsoft. From inside Microsoft i would get co-workers and convert them too Anti-Microsoft.
Because i did convert my school to Anti-Microsoft (Simpily by dumping anonymus Anti-Microsoft documents around the place), so i can convert a office of idiots. (If you want too learn how clever the Microsoft Employee's are, then see Windows XP :D
I like this attitude. People need to take real action to stop this. Waiting around for the DOJ or just posting anti-TCPA material on webboards is not enough. Getting people informed and getting them to switch to linux when possible are steps in the right direction. Now, take that XP off your system. M$ probably makes money off of the spyware that is included with it.
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if there was a group put together to spread information about palladium/tcpa/etc..., i would join in a heart beat. It isnt enough that i 'tell' people about the horrors, i need something physical to show them. Even a web page is shunned as bullshit. We need written material to give to people. I have reached a few people though, some are looking at new os's, the rest at least changed to a real browser(opera/mozilla).
ecsyle one.
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what type of written material do you suggest? Surely a website is considered to be written.
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yes, a website is written material, but not many people consider it a valid source for information. If there was some physical document to place around places like CompUSA, best buy, and others, i think the message would be spread to a larger audience. there are not alot of people like me who look for news/information online. Some people, like most of my freinds for example, still look at local news, newspapers, magazines(newsweek, time.....)for their info. i dont think websites really catch 'new' people, i found this site because i got pissed off at windows and typed 'fuck microsoft' into a search engine, most people wouldnt do that(though, alot do, look at the amount of registered users on this forum). I just think that to educate the masses, we need to aim for the masses. Not just at the people who already hate and fear microsoft.if i am talking out of my ass, please let me know, it has been a long ass night (http://smile.gif)
ecsyle_one
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fritz chipas are among us:
http://www.eetimes.com/sys/news/OEG20020424S0013 (http://www.eetimes.com/sys/news/OEG20020424S0013)
IBM Corp. said the ThinkPad T30 high-end notebook computer it rolled out Wednesday (April 24) is the first system to use a new class of hardware security chips defined by an ad hoc industry consortium. Some models of the T30 will include an Atmel Corp. processor that complies with the Trusted Computing Platform Alliance (TCPA) specification version 1.1, IBM said.
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Ballmer is a non-technical dipshit. A jock, through and through.
But at least now they are admitting Linux is a threat. But its already too late. Remember Commodore? yep.
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I have the power, i guess we all do... im on of a few geeks who have the social confidence too convince people against Microsoft. Ands its easy, if sombody badmouths linux, you show it too them.
Clean and simple.
As for my other abilitys, i have know 14 goons very well, that dont know how to friggin switch computers on. We are all going too go down there, hold off the lobbys, and me and 3 others are going too pull out hand made swords (i have made 1, picturs soon) and do a massicare. Or my other plan of great wisdom.
Maybe just drive a combie van with 300 litres of nitroglyceryn after everyone there hates Microsoft and the only people in the buildings are the bored of directors. Then i blow the motherfuckin RedMond city off the motherfucken face of the mothernaturefucken earth!!!
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ouch.. sucks to be in the building when that happens.
ecsyle
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"bored of directors". That's one of the funniest ones I've seen yet!!! Good one X!