Stop Microsoft
Miscellaneous => The Lounge => Topic started by: Pissed_Macman on 3 February 2003, 13:31
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I'm beginning to miss the point of posting here. What exactly are we doing to Microsoft by talking about it again and again, with only five or six people that actually read all the posts? I understand the whole "we must come together to achieve our ultimate goal" thing, but what the hell's the point of all this? I'm tired of arguing with ignorant Windows users, im tired trying not to argue with trolls, im tired of trying to decipher X11's posts, and most of all, im tired of feeling like we've all been exiled here as outcasts for not using Microsoft products. What ever happened to the good old days when the webmaster posted, calum hated me, zombie was still defining what a troll was, linux user was evil, and I was just a hopeless newb with a crummy site? Now this place is filled to the brim with thirteen-year-old "junior members" who think this is some kind of game, endless amounts of X11 posts, and just general stupidity.
:-P i think i need a vacation.
[ February 04, 2003: Message edited by: Calum: Member # 81 ]
[ February 04, 2003: Message edited by: Macman: LITERALLY a genius / bob ]
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It sint just about hurting microsoft, its about keeping morale up by letting each other know that we arent the only ones who despise the company.
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Originally posted by ThePreacher:
It sint just about hurting microsoft, its about keeping morale up by letting each other know that we arent the only ones who despise the company.
All right! I get it! Now what?
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Its because of a few reasons that this forum is loosing it.
a) people never do anything
b) people seem to live to far apart to do anything
c) people seem to not care.
Macman, I have said the same thing over and over join us we need to actualy think of somthing serious we can do about Microsoft.
Any Ideas? (Practical ones, yes geeks absolutely no suggestions of building a railgun to shoot bill or some other trekkie, star wars nut, or other lotr ttt idea, NONE).
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Im sick of you people bitching.
Can't you just hang out? Interesting things get said, and it's a good place to discuss news and related material with "friends"
I dunno, I like the forum regulars, I like to read interesting threads. So what if it's not what the MES once was, it's something a bit diffrent but not bad.
Besides, M$ has been on the way out lately.
In any case, stop bitchin, sit back, enjoy the show.
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i feel that this forum is a good way to pool knowledge and find out about current events in technology. that's always been the point for me, although i do know that a few notable forum regulators have started coming here less and less because of the fact that most of the posts and new topics here these days are utterly pointless.
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This place is nothing but a joke now. Why do you think I don't come around here very often anymore.
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that post made completely no sense. Why would you post saying that you dont post.
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From THE DEVIL'S DICTIONARY ((C)1911 Released April 15 1993) :
HYPOCRITE, n. One who, profession virtues that he does not respect
secures the advantage of seeming to be what he depises.
[ February 03, 2003: Message edited by: The Master of Reality / Bob ]
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Originally posted by The Master of Reality / Bob:
that post made completely no sense. Why would you post saying that you dont post.
[ February 03, 2003: Message edited by: The Master of Reality / Bob ]
Are you on fucking crack or what? I said that "I don't visit this place very often anymore". I didn't say "I don't post here at all" you fucking dimwit.
(EDIT)The people here who lack common sense(like MOR) are the reason why this place is such a joke. They always put words in your mouth because they are too damn young to comprehend what they read.
[ February 03, 2003: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
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this forum was moving in a good direction. the MES Faq for one, was a great idea. also, the endless debates between windoids & zealots was informative even during its most annoying displays of pure arrogance & trollish behavior.
it really seems that noone gives a fuck anymore. i certainly do not want to see this forum turn into another digital wasteland. more updating. i say more info. more help. less, "fuck off stupid lamer windoid, phear me and my 733tisT attitood." though, im not really in a position to say anything. i do the same thing. mac commando & all that. and updating is a pain in the ass, especially when you have a life, and the webmaster appears to have that ;)
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Originally posted by X11: I pop a cap in yo ass:
Its because of a few reasons that this forum is loosing it.
a) people never do anything
b) people seem to live to far apart to do anything
c) people seem to not care.
Macman, I have said the same thing over and over join us we need to actualy think of somthing serious we can do about Microsoft.
Any Ideas? (Practical ones, yes geeks absolutely no suggestions of building a railgun to shoot bill or some other trekkie, star wars nut, or other lotr ttt idea, NONE).
What exactly can we do that's not illegal besides suicide bombing? Or is that now illegal too?? The only thing I can think of is some petition, but there are already enough of those and they don't do anything anyway. If Microsoft was vulnerable to us "commonfolk", someone would already have come up with something.
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What these forums certainly lack is support from the Webmaster himself, who doesn't seem to really care anymore. Take a look at the homepage of this site for example, which hasn't been updated for I don't know how long. The only thing that is updated regularly, is the "Microsoft in the News section".
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Originally posted by Macman: LITERALLY a genius / bob:
What exactly can we do that's not illegal besides suicide bombing? Or is that now illegal too?? The only thing I can think of is some petition, but there are already enough of those and they don't do anything anyway. If Microsoft was vulnerable to us "commonfolk", someone would already have come up with something.
people have to learn the truth. but they also have to presented with an alternative. i know, everyone is saying linux!!! the only alternative. but linux is not easy. its not windows easy. online petitions are a joke. physical documents might help. pamphlets, flyers, a full-on media assault. so that everywhere people go, they are surrounded by info regarding microsofts malicious business practices, comparisons of their software to the alternatives, and where to get the alternatives. explanations of "Open Source Software" and "Free Software", explanations of the windows EULA. something physical and real. the only reason people flock to windows is because microsft has a presence everywhere. everywhere i turn, its microsoft. maybe we can reproduce that. then at least we can avoid suicide bombing their buildings ;)
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We need to purcahse the Enterprise and fly it into the Microsoft HQ.
I mean... Ahem. Just kidding.
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Nice thinking 99.
Ever heard of protest, we dress up in penguin suits (Ok mac people can make hats out of iMacs or make a G4 suit.) and then we chain ourselfs up in there lobby yelling "Join us now and share the software, you'll be free, you will be freeeeeeeeeeeeeee!" (ect)
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Originally posted by X11: I pop a cap in yo ass:
Nice thinking 99.
Ever heard of protest, we dress up in penguin suits (Ok mac people can make hats out of iMacs or make a G4 suit.) and then we chain ourselfs up in there lobby yelling "Join us now and share the software, you'll be free, you will be freeeeeeeeeeeeeee!" (ect)
The fact that I like this idea disturbs me greatly.
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how about writing a form letter with verifiable data of the severe cost savings of linux over m$ and related security issues. put in a couple of comparisons of applications and features, so the recipient gets the real truth. then send it out to all government, scholastic, corporate and media represenative. it cant be vulgar (aside from the word microsoft being part of it), it must be very well written, consise and let everyone reading know just how much money they could cut out of thier budget for extra coffee, crack, or hookers. if you get government and business to force sheeple to use linux then when they get home they will look at thier bsod and think "hmm i can legally get a disc for free to fix this permenantly".
once the sheeps start to want linux then m$ will have no choice but to find another market to try and buy.
people want linux, most business and average people want what linux provides they just have the wrong info to go by. seriously, how many people do you know that have said " man this POS windows box fucked up again, i wish microsoft or someone would just fix thier shit to work right." or " ya i just had to reformat again, wish i didnt have to do this everytime my kid touches the damn thing."
most people think that you have to have a degree in CS to even install linux let alone use it. which i know from personal experience is utter bs. if they knew half the truth then thier half a wit would get them to try it.
all we would need is a few people working on the letter, a few people working on the background data, a few people to collect the email address, and it would be kick ass to have a site setupwhere the reader could either download or order a no cost cd. hell if we could get the collective I.Q's around here to making enough money to actually send out via snail-mail the letter with a cd, well i think we could hold a nationwide m$ cd burning party.
ive seen enough on here to know there are some really fucking smart people here. more than what would be needed to pull this off.
anyways thats my nickel, you can keep the change.
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AVELLO - that was a GOOD GOOD GOOD idea!
and that's rare on these forums these days.
i'd be happy to help with this idea. i wonder where we would come up with the funds to cope with sending it out and who would donate the time to dealing with all the replies it would definitely generate.
I think we would need to ask the webmaster too for permission to sign the letter 'The Microsoft Eradication Society'.
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How about TV advertising, newspapers, seriously Red-Hat, Mandrake, and SuSe should get into it.
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we would need to generate the funds ourselves. if we actually got incorporated then we could apply for grants if we achieved tax-exempt status then there would be more funds available. i was originally considering a business that would supply the funds. of course we would have to think tank for the best result.
i do think that if we emailed at first then we could get it rolling on the cheap. i think all we would need is a forum for tech support to start out. also if we got the ball rolling (got the letter together and a good plan of attack) and went to different linux distrobutions we could try to get funds from them. if we get 10 magor distros then they could spread out the costs between them. maybe then we could snail mail out. maybe let the distros include a page of advertisement(screenshots/features) with the mailer. we could also work with them to get maybe a cutdown version of the different version(most use similar kernals or something)so we could let the people get a good taste of the true difference out there. if not just have a sampler movie. with a web address to request a free cd of the distro of thier choice.
of course the first step is to get organized. if we get this rolling well then the news stations will pick it up.("some adventurous people on the net got tired of being the underdog.....blah blah blah") you know how it goes.
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where do i sign up?? this is a good idea, and id be more than willing and happy to help in any way i can.
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so would i! it would be good to actually take this outside of the forums for once! i can't really give much to be honest, but i will do whatever research or emailing or whatever needs done, administrative stuff.
i vote for avello to take the reins and coordinate us. i really like this idea avello, and i don't want to see it fall by the wayside!
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You see? My belly-aching did have a good outcome.
Yes avello, good idea. I'd like to help too.
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im involved with a non-profit company thats going for tax-exemption. if i try to change government policy or politics then i am disqualified from running this company. so i cant be in charge when this all comes to a head. so eventually someone will have to take over. in the meantime, what i think would be benificial is our own channel here in this forum or another, that way we could keep track of progress and work things out. we would need a couple mods to make sure flamers are taken care of. i think if we focused on on multiple areas at once we could bring all of it together. we could make a post for data verification, another for those who could work on collecting email address, another for those working on the letter. i think if we leave this open to those who want to help then we could get lots of people involved and then no-one is over worked. and i become a face a face in the crowd. so how do we go about getting some space on the forum?
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Not to OT the new direction of this thread of anything... (http://smile.gif)
My two cents. I still feel like I just got here, and I wonder what all the fuss is about. Is this place really having problems? Just a dry spell? Will it all be a ghost town in 6 months?
Ok then, if this place IS having trouble now or in the near future, I need a new home, or at least a new place to "dual boot" to from time to time. ;)
What Linux message board community is active, full of highly talented people, and tailored for the Linux newbies? Yes, I know how to use a search engine, I just respect the opinions of those who came before me...
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We could call it Operation: Black Cobra of Venomous Death or something cool like that.
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We need another name for the forums though. "forums.mes.org" or something. Fuckmicrosoft is too vulgar and shocking.
But I do agree with Avello's idea. The webmaster is a very good writer, so maybe he could write it? I'll try and talk him into it. :D
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great, we will definatley need everyones help.
and everyones help is apprieciated.
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Microsofteradication(.com/.net/.org) is availible. We are going to need a website and/or forums that don't have the word "Fuck" at the top. (http://tongue.gif)
Hosting...Quirk? I can still only do it with redirects...If we registered with register.com, we could use their built in hosting, for the web page anyway.
As for the letter, I'll get back to you all later.
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this sounds like a cool idea!!! i don't know how i could help, but if u need anything that i can help w/, i'll be glad to
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GREAT IDEA! I'd also be more than happy to contribute, should you decide to implement it. (http://smile.gif)
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ok first we need space to setup shop and a name.
my thoughts are we dont want to alienate ma and pa public, so i dont think we should use and negative inuendos in the name. also i dont think we should use microsoft in the title as well, i think it would serve the cause better to distance ourselves from m$.
maybe a name like "linux users united" or "alternative desktops" or "free your computer"
you get the idea. also ill pitch in $20 for the name registration.
we may need to incorporate at some time in the future. its not very difficult so im not worried about it at this time. its also not very expensive to do, of course fees vary depending on the state.
we may want to incorporate outside the u.s.a. but we'll cross that bridge when we get there.
so we need names everyone. ill start a new post so we can keep it striaght. ill titla the new post names for the cause.
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yeah, it was a bit more interesting 6 or so months ago, but big deal. that was summer time. alot of people had alot more time then. just wait untill summer comes around agian. i know school got rid of alot of my excess time
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Originally posted by The Muffin Man:
We need another name for the forums though. "forums.mes.org" or something. Fuckmicrosoft is too vulgar and shocking.
But I do agree with Avello's idea. The webmaster is a very good writer, so maybe he could write it? I'll try and talk him into it. :D
Yeah good point, then i could check the forums at school and such.
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Im sick of you people bitching.
Can't you just hang out? Interesting things get said, and it's a good place to discuss news and related material with "friends"
I dunno, I like the forum regulars, I like to read interesting threads. So what if it's not what the MES once was, it's something a bit diffrent but not bad.
This is true indeed. I've been coming here for quite awhile now, and things have changed, on the forums as well as in the world at large.
When I signed on, there was no Lindows, no Linux-ready PCs being marketed (not by Wal-Mart, where most of the atechnological public can actually get a look at a Linux system) no Lycoris, no ELX: Red Hat was still a server distro whose developers had no intention of doing a desktop distro that was "Linux-virgin" user-friendly. There was no partnership between Red Hat and Big Blue. For better or worse, the Linux community was all on its own without the major corporation backing that most IT managers and other corporate pencil-pushers need to feel secure with adopting Linux. There was no mention of Linux on the financial television networks that attract the attention of businessmen and managers. There was just the lone-wolf Mandrake that attempted to be the user's Linux. Also, there was no Microsoft Windows Product Activation, no License 6, no "phone-home" Windows Media Player. It was the lone cry in the wilderness indeed that criticized the mighty Microsoft. At this time, all the press was giving accolades to "Whistler" (soon to be Windows XP), all saying how this was going to be the best Windows ever, and be a bigger event than the release of Win 95. There was no voice to the contrary. There were no governments debating on whether or not to go Linux and support Open Source. There was just this little web site with me and a couple score other members. Hell, I remember when the Webmaster could actually personally answer our E-Mails!
A lot has changed since then. Perhaps we had some little part in it, but attitudes towards, and perceptions of M$ have definitely changed since then. If this site seems to be getting somewhat "lame", take it as a sign of success. We're winning.
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Their fundamental design flaws are completely concealed by their superficial design flaws.
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well include me in as i said before.
i agree we need some sort of discussion area somewhere though. i would be happy to put a 'hidden' forum on my board at polytheismforum.cjb.net (where only the users who are part of a particular group can view that forum) which would keep it all nice and troll free, you would then need to send me an email asking to be added to that group.
I suspect somebody else will come up with another idea though (probably thequirk). The feature i mention above is a standard phpBB feature btw, (as well as a standard *nix feature) so it would be easy to implement if we end up using a phpBB somewhere to coordinate our efforts.
That's the next step. a little corner of the internet where those who want to be involved in the active part of microsoft eradication can use for in house discussion and so on. we can easily keep everybody else updated by posting here with updates regularly and letting people know they are welcome to join us.
just my blabbering, but there you go.
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also ill pitch in $20 for the name registration.
at 975register.com (http://www.975register.com) registration is only $9.75.
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Can't we put the backup forum into use for this?
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Originally posted by ecsyle_one:
at 975register.com (http://www.975register.com) registration is only $9.75.
975register is NOT an InterNIC registrar, in other words, I would not trust them.
I would recommend http://www.aitdomains.com/ (http://www.aitdomains.com/)
They only charge $8.50, and are accredited.
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Originally posted by The Muffin Man:
975register is NOT an InterNIC registrar, in other words, I would not trust them.
I would recommend http://www.aitdomains.com/ (http://www.aitdomains.com/)
They only charge $8.50, and are accredited.
forgive me for being a noob. but what is "InterNIC"? and why is it important. something id like to know, considering i have a domain registered with them.
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InterNIC controls domain registration, distributes Whois lookups, and handles registar disputes.
FYI: NIC stands for Network Information Center.
If you registered a domain with those people, and all is well, then that is fine. If you are ever considering a new registrar, I recommend checking to see if they are in the InterNIC's registrar list: http://www.internic.net/alpha.html (http://www.internic.net/alpha.html)
[ February 05, 2003: Message edited by: The Muffin Man ]
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thanks dude. good info.
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rightyho boys and girls, i've set up a little forum at http://openopen.cjb.net/ (http://openopen.cjb.net/) so that all the openopen stuff can go there and not get lost in the melee of the lounge, okay?
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Great forum Calum. Me, The Quirk or Void Main should host it though, Lycos UK is too damn slow...
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void main doesn't come here anymore and as far as i know nobody else has volunteered any of their services to it. i am happy to run it and give me a short while and i will put it up on my superfast webspace at www.polytheism.org.uk (http://www.polytheism.org.uk)
Just give me half an hour to sort it all out... wait the now...
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look. my ISP are a bunch of fucking cunts. if somebody else wants to do this fucking forum then go for it and let me know so i can point my paltry free url at it. i only set this up because no other bugger had done it and now i have failed so tough.
i will try again if my ISP answers my emails before anybody else gets their ass in gear.
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thank you calum.
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no need to thank me! i just spent all day failing to get a forum set up!
i wish i had a server of my own, depending on other people really sucks.
so is anybody else setting up a forum? i really think we need a forum where only registered members can post and where all but the 'general' section are hidden from all except those in the 'private' group. this way anybody who wants in muct ask those who are already in and we can talk in a relaxed fashion knowing we won't be being overheard or pressured by anybody.
also it will mean none of our stuff gets buried anywhere in the lounge here.
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Someone could set up a free Bravenet forum, although those are incredibly crappy and we probably should only do that as a last resort. If we did that I could host it, but as far as "real" forums go, I have no idea how to set them up.
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I tried to install phpBB2 on Lycos as well and failed tragically. :( I guess we shouldn't be depending on free services. I was thinking of upgrading my netfirms account and use phpBB2 there, but I really doubt if it's worth it. Hell, I'd even use my iBook as a server if I weren't on dialup!! :mad:
So, anyone with a bit of bandwidth to spare for the cause?! :confused:
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Again, can't we put the back up forums into use for this? Or is that controlled by Quirk?
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I guess someone should ask TheQuirk about that.
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Explain something to me...
Is this operation gearing up to be an AOL style mail-spamming CD operation :D
Cuz ya know... if it works for AOL, it just may work for Linux.
Especially if you time it with the release of a costly service Pack from M$, that way getting a CD in the mail that says Free OS! Then you are more likely to consider giving it a try.
The CD's should be hybrid. That is be windows readable in order to contain Documentation and Quick Star linux Guide. A manual etc. It should also be geard tword the concept of dual booting since most people will only want to get their feet wet. You tell them that they can install this OS side by side with windows, give them an easy installer and you are done.
I like this idea very much.
How do you fund a CD mailing operation? We need a website with a payPal account, we request at Linux forums for donations. We pay some manufacturer for CD's and the mailing operation itself can be done Grass Roots from a P.O. Box.
To get Mail adressess we could either purchase them from one of those big firms. But that's expensive.... hmmm... well there is a stumper.
How do you get potential adresses?
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How do you fund a CD mailing operation? We need a website with a payPal account, we request at Linux forums for donations. We pay some manufacturer for CD's and the mailing operation itself can be done Grass Roots from a P.O. Box.
I have production OK...but costs would have to be dealt with. I think e-mail first, then they reply with interest. Only then would we send a CD.
There is also the issue of wether to screen-print or not. It would cost $$$...
Maybe we could charge a nominal shipping fee?
[ February 06, 2003: Message edited by: The Muffin Man ]
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great ideas guys!!
im thinking we could contact the magor distros once it gets to that point. they may see the benifit.
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i have a lot of webspace at iPoweweb.com. here is the link for what my service provides (http://www.ipowerweb.com/products/index.html), let me know if it is decent..
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that's certainly adequate.
phpBB requires a database (you have MySQL) and PHP (which i see you have).
Lycos provides those services for free, but with very narrow bandwidth and frequent downtime.
However i am happy to announce that my OpenOpen forums are now fully functional.
Go and visit them at www.polytheism.org.uk/openopen/ (http://www.polytheism.org.uk/openopen/) or use www.openopen.cjb.net (http://www.openopen.cjb.net)
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Originally posted by Calum: Member # 81:
that's certainly adequate.
phpBB requires a database (you have MySQL) and PHP (which i see you have).
Lycos provides those services for free, but with very narrow bandwidth and frequent downtime.
However i am happy to announce that my OpenOpen forums are now fully functional.
Go and visit them at www.polytheism.org.uk/openopen/ (http://www.polytheism.org.uk/openopen/) or use www.openopen.cjb.net (http://www.openopen.cjb.net)
right on. i was hoping to run a small forum for my artForms project. a small community of artists (Fine arts & Digital arts) to gather and show their work. very off topic.... (http://smile.gif)
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I think CD Spamming is the best choice. People are lazy, you gotta really give the stuff away to get them to even consider trying it. Cuz if you say "Send away for a free OS CD!" they won't. They are lazy.
They get a free OS cd in the mail, it's a boring saturday afternoon and their windoze box is on the friz cuz of the latest virus attack, they decide to give it a shot.
Bingo! instant convert.
The guidions can do it with Bibles, surely we can do it with CDs!
This is an option that must be explored.
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hey psyhax take it here http://openopen.cjb.net/ (http://openopen.cjb.net/)
so we can discuss it.
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Hehe, I clicked that I am under 13 by accident, now it won't let me register using my e-mail. Go figure?
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eh? does that mean you can't register at all? it's late but i'll try and fix that if you give me more details...
i just wanted to set up the seperate forums so we wouldn't get the openopen stuff lost on this board (example i didn't see your previous post until just now).
interestingly 13 people have signed up on the openopen board but only 4 of us want to see the private discussion forums!
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can you do openopen.polytheism.org.uk?
If you do we can then buy openopen.org and cname it to a openopen.polytheism.org.uk.
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well one of our bunch already bought openopen.org and openopen.co.uk (i think it was zooloo) and i think that openopen.co.uk should point to our forums and we could put a publicly viewable flashy website on openopen.org. I don't actually know how to set up that openopen.polytheism.org.uk thing though, sadly...
but this sort of discussion should be going on at www.polytheism.org.uk/openopen/ (http://www.polytheism.org.uk/openopen/) and not here! ;)
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Calum, it says that my e-mail is already in use by another user. Namely the 13 year old me :D
Anyway, is there a way you can delete this faulty account so that I can register a proper one?
I only have one good e-mail, I suppose I could register at my yahoo account, but I like the name psyjax, and don't wanna lose it :(
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okay, it's done.
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Originally posted by The Muffin Man:
Microsofteradication(.com/.net/.org) is availible. We are going to need a website and/or forums that don't have the word "Fuck" at the top. (http://tongue.gif)
Hosting...Quirk? I can still only do it with redirects...If we registered with register.com, we could use their built in hosting, for the web page anyway.
As for the letter, I'll get back to you all later.
I have hosting covered (I knew getting the reselling acocunt a few weeks ago wasn't a bad idea!).
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OK, whoever got those domains email me (gleb at belg88.com) or instant message me ("The Quirk 123" on AOL instant messenger) and I'll give you all the information (including name servers and the like).
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hey quirk take it here http://openopen.cjb.net/ (http://openopen.cjb.net/)
so we can discuss it.
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just a little bump for those that may have missed it.
a few of us are now over at www.openopen.cjb.net (http://www.openopen.cjb.net) coordinating a kind of loose organisation aimed at actively encouraging schools, businesses and home users to use open source software instead of proprietary software for a number of reasons.
We are in the process of setting up websites at
www.openopen.org (http://www.openopen.org) (zooloo is in charge of this)
and
www.promote-open-source.org (http://www.promote-opensource.org) (panos is in charge of this)
but we're not up to the point where we feel we are ready to 'come out' yet. If you feel you can write some pages for the sites, or add anything, or are just interested in how the nuts and bolts of it are coming along, do come along to openopen.cjb.net (you can click the link in my signature if typing the url is too much like work) for a quick visit.
[ March 05, 2003: Message edited by: Calum: Member # 81 ]
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nobody gives a shit?
well i suppose all the people who want to be involved already are.
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Does void main know about this? Seems like something he'd be interested in.
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he does now...