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Miscellaneous => The Lounge => Topic started by: Doctor V on 10 December 2002, 14:21
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The Arabs, particularly the palesinians have a new reason to rejoice (http://new.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/DocView.asp?did=641798). The Israli defence force is now more vulnerable to hacking, cracking, and various forms of cyberassault. Expect successful attacks to skyrocket.
V
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They waste their US aid on a company that isn't worth shit? They could do a lot more with that money...
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So that's where my fucking tax dollars are going?!? Keep that money truck rolling, right on into Redmond.
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Microsoft and the Israeli 'Defense' Force, my two favourite sets of people in the world...
EDIT - Fixed my spastik spelling of 'israili'.
[ December 10, 2002: Message edited by: Tux ]
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LMAO! Oh damn, what a bad mistake. But something I wonder, would arab crackers who grew up in a poorer, less tech immersed countries(the arab world basically) really be able to match the abilities of crackers from richer countries?
Not that you need oodles of skill to beat Windows, but I just have this thing in my mind about suposedly powerful crackers from poor countries...
Am I stereotyping here? ;)
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Originally posted by lazygamer:
LMAO! Oh damn, what a bad mistake. But something I wonder, would arab crackers who grew up in a poorer, less tech immersed countries(the arab world basically) really be able to match the abilities of crackers from richer countries?
Not that you need oodles of skill to beat Windows, but I just have this thing in my mind about suposedly powerful crackers from poor countries...
Am I stereotyping here? ;)
yes you are. with the internet available to all parties, the only things influencing the development of cracking or hacking skills are time, motivation and the ability to understand the documentation.
So long as these people know english, they can read english documentation. they probably know other languages too, which puts them at an advantage over monolinguists. people with a political motivation might be more motivated than people doing it in their spare time, and people who have more time to research and practice will learn faster. These last two are circumstantial and you can see that there's no reason why somebody of one race might be better at typing text effectively than somebody of another race, all things being equal.
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Well I was thinking more of countries that just happen to be arabic, rather then genetic race.
Of course this news doesn't bother me, I don't really like the actions of Israel(of course I don't overly come to the defense of the arabs either).
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Removed my off topic ramblings.
[ December 10, 2002: Message edited by: Tux ]
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Well I don't come to the defense because:
1)I don't know the facts. I really really feel like there is so much that I don't know, that there is no use in stating an opinion.
2)I kinda thought people woulden't appricieate this thread being hijacked, so I wanted to not leave a lead that could be turned into a debate. (http://smile.gif)
Yo Tux, I honestly am not concerned about the Terrorist thing. I thumb my nose at the American government and a "I'll say what the fuck I want bitch, I ain't scared of you." attitude.
I just felt that what I had learned on the subject is only from limited media exposure. Now it had occured to me that maybe the Arabs are more in the right, but what if the limited media info I have is painting them as the victims(and israel as the baddies) just to create more controversy? Ya know, this is the shit that crosses my mind.
I am always willing to learn and listen though...
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i do not feel the need to say i am not a terrorist. i know i am not one, and that's enough.
Killing is wrong.
Palestinians who kill are wrong.
Israelis who kill are wrong.
Arabs who kill people are wrong.
Whites, Jews, Americans, Australians, Brits who kill people are wrong.
Why do they kill? they have been bullshitted around too much and they no longer believe people who say that you can come to a peaceful conclusion. they feel (justifiably) that if they put down their guns, the enemy will come charging at them over the hill.
Who can blame them? If one side stopped fighting in a very Ghandiist way, sure they might win the UN's support, sure public opinion would probably swing their way and that side might get what they want... BUT IT MIGHT NOT. AND A LOT OF THEM WOULD GET KILLED BY THE SIDE THAT DIDN'T PUT DOWN THEIR WEAPONS.
do you see now why it's not okay to sit at your computer (or your oval office desk, or whatever position affords you the most authority in the world) thousands of miles from any warzone saying how other people are evil terrorists?
edit - sorry, i'm ranting too, but what do you expect when this topic has such a controversial title? and i didn't mean any offence to anybody personally so if you take offence, then you have a guilty conscience.
[ December 10, 2002: Message edited by: Calum ]
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Originally posted by Calum:
Killing is wrong.
Palestinians who kill are wrong.
Israelis who kill are wrong.
Arabs who kill people are wrong.
Whites, Jews, Americans, Australians, Brits who kill people are wrong.
So you're a pacifist? You think in no case killing is justified?
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if someone killed my father, does that give me the right to kill them?? i might want to, but it doesnt make it right.
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Originally posted by Calum:
Killing is wrong.
That depends. It might not be. And still, to say that something is *wrong* is really black and white. Is me yelling at someone in the heat of a moment wrong? Yes. Is it understandable? Yes. Same with killing, only on a different scale. Learn to see in greyshade. quote:
Palestinians who kill are wrong.
Not by definition. If Israeli soldiers drive bulldozers in their homes while their families are inside, I would not only understand it, I wouldn't even call it wrong. Just sad that it has to come so far.
Now, Palisitinians killing innocent civilians lies somewhere near the border of "wrong but understandable" and "wrong and just plain evil". Probably the first one.
This stuff is really difficult. Blaming a bomber may be called bad and evil, and usually it is, but people can do strange things if their family is killed before their eyes with *no-one* standing up for them. Not even the UN.
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it is hard to see in grey. i understand the killing of another person if that person had driven a bulldozer into my home, killing my family. it sucks, the whole thing is wrong, but i understand. the fact that someone would do it in the first place is wrong. says a lot about the world we live in.
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So you're a pacifist? You think in no case killing is justified?
I fear pacifism. Pacifism, a BAD move. (http://tongue.gif)
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Off course pacifism is a bad move - look at Gandhi and where picking up salt got him! Oh thats right freedom from british colonialism... ;)
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Originally posted by Faust:
Off course pacifism is a bad move - look at Gandhi and where picking up salt got him! Oh thats right freedom from british colonialism... ;)
Although ghandi was cool it was more the work of america that lead to the colonies being given up.
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Some of the colonies of course Tux - us Australians have to still bow to the freakin British. :(
Although now of course we are bowing more to the Americans :( :( :(
I admit my knowledge of world history is slightly shaky (I do after all have a public school education) but surely the popularity of Ghandis actions had at least a small impact on the way politics played out? After all if the close enough to accidental killing of and Archduke by a couple of anarchists could (eventually) lead to WW2 then small actions can have a large impact..?
So far this forum has been great for stuff like this! I swear they let too many right wing nuts post at www.michaelmoore.com (http://www.michaelmoore.com)... and the last forum my friend set up got way too much hate mail so he dropped it. The bigest dickhead in the world ever has to be The Jackal... check out his posts at http://www.kierans.cjb.net/ (http://www.kierans.cjb.net/)
Also have a look at www.rootingoutevil.org (http://www.rootingoutevil.org)
[ December 11, 2002: Message edited by: Faust ]
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BTW this topics subject line does seem to be a bad generalisation.
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Originally posted by Faust:
Some of the colonies of course Tux - us Australians have to still bow to the freakin British. :(
Although now of course we are bowing more to the Americans :( :( :(
I admit my knowledge of world history is slightly shaky (I do after all have a public school education) but surely the popularity of Ghandis actions had at least a small impact on the way politics played out? After all if the close enough to accidental killing of and Archduke by a couple of anarchists could (eventually) lead to WW2 then small actions can have a large impact..?
So far this forum has been great for stuff like this! I swear they let too many right wing nuts post at www.michaelmoore.com (http://www.michaelmoore.com)... and the last forum my friend set up got way too much hate mail so he dropped it. The bigest dickhead in the world ever has to be The Jackal... check out his posts at http://www.kierans.cjb.net/ (http://www.kierans.cjb.net/)
Also have a look at www.rootingoutevil.org (http://www.rootingoutevil.org)
[ December 11, 2002: Message edited by: Faust ]
No, Ghandi did indeed have a big effect. I was just saying that the yanks whispering (well shouting) in our ear had a very very big effect.
I don't advocate the empire/monarchy either it has caused much bloodshed, but I suppose it helped some.
I havn't been on Mr Moore's forum yet, but it sounds like a damn good idea.... Checking it out now.
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Thanks Tux... not that im saying Brits are bad, nor Americans, I just wish my country didnt do so many kowtows all over the place... :(
I would like to see the UK, but the exchange rate would kill me... One thing though (not that Im a sporting person) but man you guys suck at cricket :D
And Mikes site is good... just that it attracts a lot of annoying the second amendment is the only amendment kind of ppl. ;)
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Pacifism works in certain situations. I would love to hear about situations where Ghandi-like tactics worked. Didn't Ghandi just do non-violent defiance? Even then, that is only for certain cirumstances. PERSONAL pacifism is rarely a good move.
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Whoa rootingoutevil.org pwns! What a great idea. Problem is, I doubt anything will come of it. :(
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I do agree lazygamer... violence is sometimes the only means to achieve an end eg someone is threatening you with a knife = shoot with gun. But violence is of course also used in many disghusting ways - eg suicide bombings and israeli advances. What non violence can achieve is popular support - and when your supporters find your cause popular enough to be violent or threaten violence on your behalf then you can hold that over you opponent. Plus crippling politicians incomes by cutting off their trade can achieve almost anything. (http://smile.gif) Both violence and non violence can achieve an end but I think we all agree that violence should be a last resort. On a similar matter yes I am in favour of Saddam getting a bullet right between the eyes... but preferably this time it can be achieved with less bloodshed and some REAL support for any rebel factions in Iraq. In this case I would agree that violence is justified but not re:Israel or Palestine.
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Well I was thinking more of countries that just happen to be arabic, rather then genetic race.
Being Arabic is genetic, just like being Asian or Anglo I thought. Ever seen two Anglos have an Arabic kiddie?
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Whoa rootingoutevil.org pwns! What a great idea. Problem is, I doubt anything will come of it.
pwns? Ive heard owns before but whats the siginificance of the p in pwns? BTW i found out why fuck is spelt fsck in 1337... because its a UNIX command right? File System ChecK?
Something may come of it. Votes are all most politicians care about and from 4AM in the morning yesterday to 11PM tonight they had racked up an extra 400 signatures... even Bush would have to admit that 400 signatures in that space of time is a lot for a site, especially considering that the only way ppl will hear about it is through word of mouth/email/forum/im.
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This little thingy on the side of the article page caught my attention.
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Jacob Frenkel
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specially not since it's not legal tender in scotland, denmark, wales, northern ireland or england, but they're not nearly as european as israel, eh?
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Originally posted by Calum:
specially not since it's not legal tender in scotland, denmark, wales, northern ireland or england, but they're not nearly as european as israel, eh?
Whats with Israle playing in the UEFA cup eh, they can't even play football...
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(psst! and they're not even europeans, bu we don't talk about that do we?)
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The reason for Israel playing in the UEFA cup is they are afraid of their neighbours. So they play in european football championships, which I find very curious since they do not play in Israel but in Cyprus or Italy.
No, Israel was yet another mistake by England (please note, not Britain, can
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I always thought the Euro was a good idea, all except for the name. They should have come up with some cool-sounding acronym or something, like ILT (Internation Legal Tender). They should have hired someone from CFPWLTULOAFEC (Club For People Who Like To Use Lots Of Acronyms For Everything Club) to come up with a name. Or how about the nonsense name like "the Nergleperker" or "the NobbleKobble". Or maybe even a French word that no one knows like "the Merde". Instead of saying, "I only have two Euros, sorry," you would say, "I only have two Merdes, sorry."
If we want to form a more complete world government someday then Europe shouldn't single itself out like that.
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er if they are hald white and half arab, wouldn't that mean that %50 of the children will be white and %50 be arab? or did i misinterprate my highschool biology class
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Originally posted by choasforages:
er if they are hald white and half arab, wouldn't that mean that %50 of the children will be white and %50 be arab? or did i misinterprate my highschool biology class
Maybe they will look like Michael Jackson? :D :D :D
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Originally posted by cahult:
The reason for Israel playing in the UEFA cup is they are afraid of their neighbours. So they play in european football championships, which I find very curious since they do not play in Israel but in Cyprus or Italy.
No, Israel was yet another mistake by England (please note, not Britain, can
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This is a rough presentation of the history of the Middle East:
At the beginning of the 1900
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You also need to realize that at that current point in history, many were in favor for the creation of Israel, a Jewish Homeland, out of sympathy for what happened during WWII.
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Ah, so that's how the story begun!
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Originally posted by LorKorub / BOB:
You also need to realize that at that current point in history, many were in favor for the creation of Israel, a Jewish Homeland, out of sympathy for what happened during WWII.
Oh yes, the jews will never let the world forget what happened in WW2. That was a horrible thing but what has happened in the region since 1948 is just a continuation of the concentration camps, but on a larger and milder scale.
It seems to me jews are like the monkeys in that saying "Monkey see, monkey do". By this I mean that they are copying what the nazis did. The palestinian suicide bombers didn
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that's a very racist thing to say. It would be like me saying that americans are all gun happy, environmental polluting, welfare cutting assclowns who can't read or talk properly just because those in control of their country are.
I am sure that there are many jews who do not think the same way as the influential leaders of israel. Perhaps it's even a majority, like the majority that DIDN'T vote for Bush, to carry through my comparison of the two nations.
[ December 19, 2002: Message edited by: Calum ]
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Originally posted by Calum:
that's a very racist thing to say. It would be like me saying that americans are all gun happy, environmental polluting, welfare cutting assclowns who can't read or talk properly just because those in control of their country are.
I am sure that there are many jews who do not think the same way as the influential leaders of israel. Perhaps it's even a majority, like the majority that DIDN'T vote for Bush, to carry through my comparison of the two nations.
[ December 19, 2002: Message edited by: Calum ]
Last time I checked, Israel is a democracy (well, if you're a jew - if you're an Arab it's a dictatorship). That means that at least 50% of the jews is in favor of the current regime - or, in other words, are in favor of the racism carried out by the Israeli governement. More importantly, far less than 50% of them are against it, since 50% is enough to at least make yourself heard a *lot*.
This is of course not by far all jews, but *almost* all Israeli jews are guilty. And that is a lot.