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Miscellaneous => The Lounge => Topic started by: Col on 19 May 2004, 00:45
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Hi guys. I just thought I'd say hi here because I am new. I just signed up now.
I think this is a great site, but I still need to get myself a copy of Linux! lol!
Anyone care to introduce themselves? Perhaps say what your interested in, what you do etc?
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Hi, Col. My favourite operating system is Mac OS X. I'm a science student who really needs the summer holiday he's currently enjoying, because he usually has shitloads of work to do. I love languages, computers, I'm very into politics and I love hating Microsoft.
So, there. Care to introduce yourself? :D
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Hi col! :D
My favoraite os is both SuSE and Red Hat Linux. Glad you like the place. I hope you don't mind the few trolls that we get. I'm an administarator and I have two programming deplomas in M$ visual basic and m$ vc++. I'm upgrading my education by becoming a cs student.
I forgot OpenBSD is an awsome server OS!
Thats about it for me :D (http://graemlins/tux.gif)
[ May 18, 2004: Message edited by: -=Solaris.M.K.A=- ]
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Hidy Ho! I hope you decide to stick around. We need more sane normal users. It sometimes seems like only the mods are normal users here, but dont get me wrong. There are other intelligent people here. Watch out for JimmyJames and Sauron mostly. Jimmy will bite your head off if you disagree with him on anything, and he will then tell you to "fuck off".
I use WindowsXP(even though I hate it), Slackware Linux, and my favorite, OSX.
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jimmy is damn funny.
well i use mac os x(jag) and well...
enjoy posting
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go to Erudition (http://erudition.calyptos.com/), where you are not forced into the same mindless Anti-MS groupthink as everybody else. and Linux is the only operating system that you are allowed to use.
not even the oh-so-superior OSX
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Yes, god forbid we should all be "anti-ms" on an anti-ms website.
[ May 19, 2004: Message edited by: flap ]
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OSX is better.
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Sauron: Troll Warrior:
go to Erudition (http://erudition.calyptos.com/), where you are not forced into the same mindless Anti-MS groupthink as everybody else. and Linux is the only operating system that you are allowed to use.
not even the oh-so-superior OSX
I know I shouldn't be responding to trolls, but seriously, shut the fuck up!
This isn't Erudition, get over it.
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Thanks for the warm welcome guys! I'll probabl;y stick around here for a while seeing as a lot of the forums I use are dying down a bit now.
For those who asked for an introduction:
My name is Colin. I am British. I am a student, just about to take my GCSEs at high school. I'm planning to go to college to study ICT because I love computers! I'm currently trying to build one. It's my first ever attempt at building a PC.
I like building things like models and computers, I make websites, and I like TV, movies, hanging around with mates, playing "pub sports" like pool, snooker and darts. I am also interested in drama and electronics. I love to act and will get up on stage whenever I get a chance!
I want to learn how to program in OpenGL, PHP and C++, and to upgrade to a Linux or Unix operating system. I've used Mac OS before, and didn't really like it, but that's probably because I didn't really have time to figure it out. I currently use Windows 98 SE, which is probably MS's best operating system, but it still does my head in!
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Originally posted by Col:
I've used Mac OS before, and didn't really like it, but that's probably because I didn't really have time to figure it out.
Which version did you use? With Mac OS X things have changed A LOT, and you might want to give it another shot. I've been using it since system 6 (good 'ole SE/30).
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Originally posted by Col:
I currently use Windows 98 SE, which is probably MS's best operating system, but it still does my head in!
You're probably going to find a lot of people here with a different opinion....
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I think 2000 was the best os from MS. At least for me. It was no hassle, no bullshit interface, and relatively painless to use. However. OSX is my #1 os. I will never go back to using windows as my primary os.
You might enjoy Mandrake Linux (http://www.mandrakesoft.com/). It almost replaced OSX as my desktop os ;)
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Col: I want to learn how to program in OpenGL, PHP and C++
Well, before you try anything as complex as OpenGL, SDL (Linux games, including UT 2004, use OpenGL + SDL to get the same level of quality Direct3D has, so you'd better learn OpenGL and SDL if you're into that, it's the future ;) ) or C++, it's a far better idea to learn a more simpler programming language like PHP, BASIC or JavaScript to see if programming is something for you.
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Thanks for that mate! I'll use that advice when I find something to learn the languages from. I can already do JavaScript, though not very complicated stuff.
What is SDL? I've never heard of that one before.
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Originally posted by Col:
Thanks for that mate! I'll use that advice when I find something to learn the languages from. I can already do JavaScript, though not very complicated stuff.
What is SDL? I've never heard of that one before.
Simple DirectMedia Layer.
It's cross platform and very easy to bind with almost every language.
If you want to learn programming I suggest starting with Python.
It's easy, free and still powerfull.
http://www.python.org/ (http://www.python.org/)
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I wouldn't recommend an object oriented language to anyone. Why start them off learning bad habits?
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What's wrong with object oriented languages?
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Well basically if OO were just a minor syntactic extension to a procedural language (i.e. a simple addition of classes/objects as enriched data structures) then I wouldn't really have a problem with it. But taking the idea of objects and then orienting the whole programming approach around it doesn't really make sense.
Learning OO is one thing, but I wouldn't recommend an OO language as a first language.
[ May 22, 2004: Message edited by: flap ]
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I prefer Perl myself, but it's less easy to start with.
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But taking the idea of objects and then orienting the whole programming approach around it doesn't really make sense.
Fair enough, but what's wrong with the object approach? I want to learn a programming language myself, and I'd like to know why you think the procedural approach is better than the object approach.
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Originally posted by Laukev7:
Fair enough, but what's wrong with the object approach? I want to learn a programming language myself, and I'd like to know why you think the procedural approach is better than the object approach.
Take Perl and Python...
If you writh the same program with both,
you'll see that your python code is bigger, less flexible and less pretty.
( I do find it an easy way for getting started...)
[ May 22, 2004: Message edited by: insomnia ]
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Well basically if OO were just a minor syntactic extension to a procedural language (i.e. a simple addition of classes/objects as enriched data structures) then I wouldn't really have a problem with it. But taking the idea of objects and then orienting the whole programming approach around it doesn't really make sense.
That is pretty much how Python works. Ruby is the fully OO language where everything is an object. You can use it to program procedurally, or use OO, or make a hybrid-type program, just as you would if using C++. Furthermore, Python is probably one of the best ways to start. It's easy to learn, it's interpreted so that you get to see all the mistakes at once (like BASIC), and isn't just something you learn with before moving onto something better.
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Python's class mechanism adds classes to the language with a minimum of new syntax and semantics. It is a mixture of the class mechanisms found in C++ and Modula-3. As is true for modules, classes in Python do not put an absolute barrier between definition and user, but rather rely on the politeness of the user not to ``break into the definition.'' The most important features of classes are retained with full power, however: the class inheritance mechanism allows multiple base classes, a derived class can override any methods of its base class or classes, a method can call the method of a base class with the same name. Objects can contain an arbitrary amount of private data.
In C++ terminology, all class members (including the data members) are public, and all member functions are virtual. There are no special constructors or destructors. As in Modula-3, there are no shorthands for referencing the object's members from its methods: the method function is declared with an explicit first argument representing the object, which is provided implicitly by the call. As in Smalltalk, classes themselves are objects, albeit in the wider sense of the word: in Python, all data types are objects. This provides semantics for importing and renaming. But, just like in C++ or Modula-3, built-in types cannot be used as base classes for extension by the user. Also, like in C++ but unlike in Modula-3, most built-in operators with special syntax (arithmetic operators, subscripting etc.) can be redefined for class instances.
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[ May 23, 2004: Message edited by: jtpenrod ]
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"OSX is better."
How is it "better"? Yesterday, I finally got the opportunity to give OS X a go. I couldn't see any difference between that and any one of the Linux distros I've been running for the past three years. I'd say that they're the same, so far as quality, appearance, and ease of use goes.
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I don't know about everyone else. But I started off with basic html, then java and then into Visual Basic/Visual C++, tben perl.
But thats just me.