Stop Microsoft
Miscellaneous => The Lounge => Topic started by: TheKnifeThrower on 8 July 2003, 04:12
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What is your view of software piracy. This is a lot different from music files because you can't make money out of a concert.
I beleive that it is theft. No other word for it. But that wouldn't stop me from downloading some for free or getting a crack for a shareware program.
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if they didn't make money off of concerts, why would they have them?
and i say it depends. If a friend gives me a copy, i dont think that should be a problem. If some guy on the internet gives it out to thousands of people, then i think there is a problem.
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Theft.
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Originally posted by Laukev7:
Theft.
Its a totally moral issue
blah blah blah
Don't get me wrong its totally illegal ;)
[ July 08, 2003: Message edited by: suselinux ]
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A RIGHT AND RESPONSABILITY
No. By pirating Microsoft products, you spread them over, and make software developpers even more dependent of them.
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It was a GAG
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Software piracy is theft, plain and simple.
But hey, this is a dog weat dog world right? Thats the excuse the corporations use to screw over eachother, their employees, and their customers. The most loved and admired people in our society are the ones who screw over the most people. So I say if you can save a few bucks by picking up a game or song for free off then net, go for it.
As for M$ products, don even touch em. Mr. susulinux, don't bother stealing fom M$, you're better off sticking with suse.
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Originally posted by suselinux:
It was a GAG
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It was a GAG
I just wanted to make it clear.
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Sofware "piracy"? I'm assuming you're referring to an act of boarding a ship carrying software and killing its crew? Yes, that's wrong.
If on the other hand you're using a stupid propaganda term for sharing then you're mistaken in calling it "theft" or deeming it wrong.
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By pirating Microsoft products, you spread them over, and make software developpers even more dependent of them.
But you just suggested that it was "theft"; now you're suggesting software "piracy" is bad because it helps the people you're "stealing" the software from?
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There is nothing stopping people from stealing things from the internet because the internet has a whole different set of rules. Sure, the company doesn't make any money if you pirate their software, but you didn't actually take it from them (not like shoplifting where the thing you stole is gone forever). I think the internet has changed the way we should do business.
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But you just suggested that it was "theft"; now you're suggesting software "piracy" is bad because it helps the people you're "stealing" the software from?
So, you suggest we all use Microsoft products, then?
Piracy may spread out a product, but whether it helps the company or not depends on its priorities. If, like Microsoft, it intends to monopolise the market first, then force people to buy their products later (bundled with computers, or with DRM, for example), then in some way piracy helps the company, or at least temporarily, because they intend to regain their lost profit.
On the other hand, it doesn't help smaller companies at all, who mightn't ever have a chance to get a monopoly position, or anyone to bundle their products (e.g. Corel). So they work in vain, gain no marketshare and make no profit on their products. Of course, this is only one example amongst many others.
And while Robin Hood helped the poor by stealing from the rich, it still remained theft.
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If on the other hand you're using a stupid propaganda term for sharing then you're mistaken in calling it "theft" or deeming it wrong.
I fail to understand what you mean by 'propaganda'. You seem to suggest that we cannot think for ourselves, just because some of us do not 'share' your opinion, if I may employ that term. How about if I say that 'sharing' is a euphemism for 'theft'? Or perhaps a propaganda term used by the FSF?
[ July 08, 2003: Message edited by: Laukev7 ]
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Originally posted by flap:
Sofware "piracy"? I'm assuming you're referring to an act of boarding a ship carrying software and killing its crew? Yes, that's wrong.
If on the other hand you're using a stupid propaganda term for sharing then you're mistaken in calling it "theft" or deeming it wrong.
YAR! Let lose the cannons and give them hell! Sorry, I couldnt' resist.
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And while Robin Hood helped the poor by stealing from the rich
Yes, that was theft, because he took something. As we've established (and I seem to remember you agreeing) copying is not theft.
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I fail to understand what you mean by 'propaganda'. You seem to suggest that we cannot think for ourselves
There are two possible reasons for people like you agreeing with the the protestations of publishers that copying is theft:
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a) you've been won over by propaganda or
b) you actually independently believe of your own free will that anyone has a right to dictate to others whom they may not help and share with.
I think the second option is worse, but either way it's messed up, to say the least.
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copying is not theft.
That was just an example. I meant to say that whether theft helps the company or not, it remains theft. And while I agree that 'theft' is not the correct term for copying, I still contend that it is morally wrong. By the way, I recall as well having demonstrated that copying cannot be called 'sharing', either.
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b) you actually independently believe of your own free will that anyone has a right to dictate to others whom they may not help and share with.
This is a false dilemna. I have certainly not been won over by any propaganda. You, on the other hand, seem to have been won over by FSF propaganda. I do not believe that anyone is dictating anything here. It remains the consumer's choice to buy the software or not, but they should not be allowed to use it if they don't pay for it. Once the person bought the licence, he is free to do whatever he wishes with it, even making copies of it and giving them to his friends, as long as they bought the software (the holder of the licence has the right to give his copy, but a person without a licence does not have the right to receive it, because he does not have the rights to the software).
Owners are certainly allowed to help a friend by showing him the software and teaching him how it works, and even allow him to use it (on the owners' computer, for example). This is sharing, and this is perfectly right. But what you don't understand about copying is that you are helping someone else commit a crime if you give him software he didn't pay for.
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Originally posted by flap:
Sofware "piracy"? I'm assuming you're referring to an act of boarding a ship carrying software and killing its crew? Yes, that's wrong.
If on the other hand you're using a stupid propaganda term for sharing then you're mistaken in calling it "theft" or deeming it wrong.
There is nothing wrong with sharing a copy of software with your friend. That doesn't really damage profits for a software company. But if you put your file in your kazaa shared folder and hundreds of people download it(and then hundreds download from them) then you will damage a companys profits.
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Microsoft Windows XP has Activation to stop people from stealing your software that you paid for.
Its amazing what you can do in Windows XP.
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Originally posted by Look at me dance:
Microsoft Windows XP has Activation to stop people from stealing your software that you paid for.
Its amazing what you can do in Windows XP.
Do you work for MS? Do you actually think they made such a "feature" for the consumer? Or do you believe whatever they feed to you?
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Windows XP Activation is for the consumer.
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Windows XP Activation is for the consumer.
What do you mean, 'for the consumer'? Windows XP Activation is a system designed to prevent users from pirating (or whatever euphemism you prefer) Windows. And a bad one, too, for many reasons, including the fact that you have to buy it again after 8-11 reinstalls (which means about every three months). How is that beneficial to the end user?
Edit: Oops, sorry. I almost mistook you for someone intelligent.
[ July 08, 2003: Message edited by: Laukev7 ]
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Look at me dance
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Microsoft Windows XP has Activation to stop people from stealing your software that you paid for.
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Laukev7
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Windows XP Activation is a system designed to prevent users from pirating (or whatever euphemism you prefer) Windows.
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Sorry, but I couldn't resist to post it (I guess that's a little off-topic, but still...)
That didn't stop my brother from buying counterfeit (hell, I love this word! (http://smile.gif) ) XP with Activation crack.
From Russia with love. Fuck you Microsoft (http://smile.gif)
My friends, my friends' friends, my friends' friends' friends and lots of people I know use counterfeit XP.
And still it is a theft, but there is a difference in buying <smth> for 3 or 30$, right? ;)
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Originally posted by NikS:
quoting
Look at me dance
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Microsoft Windows XP has Activation to stop people from stealing your software that you paid for.
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Laukev7
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Windows XP Activation is a system designed to prevent users from pirating (or whatever euphemism you prefer) Windows.
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Sorry, but I couldn't resist to post it (I guess that's a little off-topic, but still...)
That didn't stop my brother from buying counterfeit (hell, I love this word! (http://smile.gif) ) XP with Activation crack.
From Russia with love. Fuck you Microsoft (http://smile.gif)
My friends, my friends' friends, my friends' friends' friends and lots of people I know use counterfeit XP.
And still it is a theft, but there is a difference in buying <smth> for 3 or 30$, right? ;)
Well yeah, I think XP's biggest mistake was making a corporate edition that didnt have activation! Of course I'm hoping you are converting them to Linux or another Microsoft alternative?? Just because it's easy to use it doesn't mean you shouldnt use the better product, oh wait, with Linux its even easier to use AND its cheaper. Hell, go with Linux, no competition (http://smile.gif) .