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Miscellaneous => The Lounge => Topic started by: cahult on 14 December 2003, 20:01
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His beard looked not so good as he was dug up from his hole in the ground. No, that wasn
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(http://i.cnn.net/cnn/2003/WORLD/meast/12/14/sprj.irq.main/vert.saddam.coalition.ap.jpg)
Santa Hussein sez: "Ho ho ho, come sit on my WMD."
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Originally posted by Refalm:
Santa Hussein sez: "Ho ho ho, come sit on my WMD."[/QB]
Yeah, the WMD is a fairy tale, just like Santa.
[ December 14, 2003: Message edited by: Laukev7 ]
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(http://blau.homeunix.net/hmc/images/saddam.jpg)
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You know, he killed many, many people, but I still am feeling kinda sorry for him. I don't know why--I suppose seeing an old man getting caught by a bunch of Marines just doesn't make me cheery.
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Or maybe it's guilt for invading a country under false pretexts.
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don't feel sorry for him, his luck ran out. the US are making a huge palaver out of this considering they installed saddam in the firstplace, so they are responsible for all the killing etc he did.
other dictators have been luckier. i am thinking of thatcher and pinochet to start with. and mugabe, that two faced racist. or how about some of the USSR leaders or the chinese ones? why aren't the US marhing into china or zimbabwe and sorting it out? i wonder if it might be because china and zimbabwe don't sell oil to the US?
and i do think that until the US comes up with ANY EVIDENCE AT ALL that iraq had long range weapons, i will have to consider the term "United States Intelligence" a complete oxymoron.
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Careful. Everytime you insult the US government an American drops dead. Or at least leaves this forum.
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Let's get the facts straight. The USA didn't put Saddam Hussein in power. He did it himself with the help of the Baath Party. Also:
New Evidence on WMD's in Iraq:
http://www.theadvertiser.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,8095612%5E912,00.html (http://www.theadvertiser.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,8095612%5E912,00.html)
http://www.channel4.com/news/2003/12/week_1/07_iraq.html (http://www.channel4.com/news/2003/12/week_1/07_iraq.html)
Some of the many countries which helped arm Saddam Hussein:
Britain secretly helped to arm Saddam Hussein's Iraq
http://www.cambridgeclarion.org/books/preface_leigh_1993.html (http://www.cambridgeclarion.org/books/preface_leigh_1993.html)
See this about France:
http://www.command-post.org/mt2/mt-comments.cgi?entry_id=7358 (http://www.command-post.org/mt2/mt-comments.cgi?entry_id=7358)
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The weapons came from numerous countries places like Jordan, Saudi Arabia, France and Italy. Nearly every country which has weapons to deliver was supplying Saddam save the United States and Great Britain.
http://www.siliconinvestor.com/stocktalk/msg.gsp?msgid=18862243 (http://www.siliconinvestor.com/stocktalk/msg.gsp?msgid=18862243)
According to this Germany was the biggest offender.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=31190 (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=31190)
So as you can see a lot of non-Americans are denying their part in the rise of Saddam Hussein and his war crimes. Also, don't forget that Saddam Hussein got his tanks, MiG jets and Kalasnikov rifles from Russia. You might have noticed if you bothered to look that a lot of people in the mid east use Russian made weapons.
The Americans had to clean up your mess as usual.
[ December 14, 2003: Message edited by: Great_Satan ]
[ December 14, 2003: Message edited by: Great_Satan ]
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The USA didn't put Saddam Hussein in power. He did it himself with the help of the Baath Party.
...yes, the party the CIA helped put into power in the 60s.
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The CIA had nothing to do with it. Your pathetic lies don't hide the fact that you are the one who's to blame for Saddam Hussein's regime.
[ December 14, 2003: Message edited by: Great_Satan ]
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The CIA put the Baath party into power in the 60s. Do you understand?
And the US openly supported Iraq during the 80s in its war against Iran, while Saddam was using chemical weapons on Iranians and on his own people. Your suggesting that the US is innocent of supporting Saddam is a joke.
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The CIA didn't put the Baath party into power. Syria did. Iraq made their own chemical weapons, too.
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http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/51/217.html (http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/51/217.html)
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0420-05.htm (http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0420-05.htm)
Even if you somehow don't believe the CIA had a hand in the coup, it's at the very least undoubtable that Washington was happy about the Baath party coming to power, replacing a pro-soviet regime with a (brutal but) US-friendly one. The US has a long history of either assisting or appeasing fascist regimes, as long as it's in American corporate interests. For conservatives (or anyone else) to suggest that the US' (or any other country's) stance on Iraq is motivated by a sense of moral responsibility is naive beyond belief.
http://www.zmag.org/chomsky/articles/z9102-gulf-pullout.html (http://www.zmag.org/chomsky/articles/z9102-gulf-pullout.html)
[ December 14, 2003: Message edited by: flap ]
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(http://www.buko.info/bilder/saddam.jpg)
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Incidentally, since that other topic was censored: http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/jointchiefs_010501.html (http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/jointchiefs_010501.html)
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Didn't the US support Iraq only because they didn't like the new radical Muslim government replacing the US-friendly leader in Iran? I suppose that's somewhat of an excuse.
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Or maybe it's guilt for invading a country under false pretexts.
OR MAYBE PEOPLE SHOULD STOP CLAIMING I WAS MOST TOTALLY PRO-WAR! Geeze! If I recall, I almost never participated in all those crazy debates!
It merely makes me sad looking at Saddam. It looks like all he needed was a little love, and possibly a teddy bear!
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Didn't the US support Iraq only because they didn't like the new radical Muslim government replacing the US-friendly leader in Iran? I suppose that's somewhat of an excuse.
Well that's not really an "excuse", it's more of a "reason".
[ December 14, 2003: Message edited by: flap ]
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Originally posted by Great_Satan:
The CIA didn't put the Baath party into power. Syria did. Iraq made their own chemical weapons, too.
the CIA DID put the bath party in power, whether you believe that they did not is that of a personal opinion, not fact!
Yes, other countries where using chemical weapons, but make no mistake, the U.S. was the biggest supplier and user of those weapns.
But eather way! What america is doing is wrong! and thats the whole point here!
You can't blame other people and/or other countries for such obvious mistakes and you can't deny it eather. Just doing such and you might as well say that hitler was in the right.
[ December 14, 2003: Message edited by: -=Solaris.M.K.A=- ]
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I just LOVE this!!!!!!
(http://blau.homeunix.net/hmc/images/Saddam_Cola.jpg)
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OR MAYBE PEOPLE SHOULD STOP CLAIMING I WAS MOST TOTALLY PRO-WAR!
I have never made such a claim.
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But I'm sure you were hinting it. Why would I be feeling guilty if I didn't support a war? Anyway, that really wasn't the topic of my post. Saddam looks like a pretty sad, beat-up guy. I kinda feel sorry for him.
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Originally posted by TheQuirk:
But I'm sure you were hinting it. Why would I be feeling guilty if I didn't support a war? Anyway, that really wasn't the topic of my post. Saddam looks like a pretty sad, beat-up guy. I kinda feel sorry for him.
Either you misinterpreted what I said, or I should rephrase my sentence. I wasn't thinking about you in particular; I didn't even know your political stance. I just thought that guilt could have been a reason as well as pity.
But yeah, I agree. He would need a psychiatrist.