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Title: Drastic climate changes over the next 20 years.
Post by: Laukev7 on 23 February 2004, 05:36
Wow. Just wow.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/climatechange/story/0,12374,1153530,00.html (http://www.guardian.co.uk/climatechange/story/0,12374,1153530,00.html)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/climatechange/story/0,12374,1153547,00.html (http://www.guardian.co.uk/climatechange/story/0,12374,1153547,00.html)

Way to go, Dubya.
Title: Drastic climate changes over the next 20 years.
Post by: WMD on 23 February 2004, 06:57
lies.
Title: Drastic climate changes over the next 20 years.
Post by: Laukev7 on 23 February 2004, 07:28
From the Pentagon?  :rolleyes:
Title: Drastic climate changes over the next 20 years.
Post by: Xeen on 23 February 2004, 10:52
Bush's moon and Mars initiative now makes sense! We're moving, everyone.
Title: Drastic climate changes over the next 20 years.
Post by: Paladin9 on 23 February 2004, 12:11
i do not beleive those articles.  they seem a little ridiculus even though i am very much for protecting the enviroment, unlike that retard president we have.
Title: Drastic climate changes over the next 20 years.
Post by: WMD on 23 February 2004, 18:33
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Originally posted by Laukev7:
From the Pentagon?   :rolleyes:  


It's not from the Pentagon, it's from guardian.co.uk.  Big difference.
Title: Drastic climate changes over the next 20 years.
Post by: flap on 23 February 2004, 19:04
Did you actually read the article? The report was commissioned by the Pentagon.
Title: Drastic climate changes over the next 20 years.
Post by: Xeen on 23 February 2004, 20:15
Word on the street is White House senior officials have commented on the matter. Next month as we mark the one year anniversary of invading Iraq, Bush will use the event to declare war on the environment. Mother nature is the next evildoer on the list.   :D

[ February 23, 2004: Message edited by: xeen ]

Title: Drastic climate changes over the next 20 years.
Post by: Paladin9 on 23 February 2004, 20:28
I thought bush was going to declare war of homosexuality next.
Title: Drastic climate changes over the next 20 years.
Post by: Refalm on 23 February 2004, 21:19
I'd rather think of it as 200 years, instead of 20 years.

Here's another good article about the subject:
http://www.indymedia.org/en/2004/02/110392.shtml (http://www.indymedia.org/en/2004/02/110392.shtml)

[ February 23, 2004: Message edited by: Refalm ]

Title: Drastic climate changes over the next 20 years.
Post by: Laukev7 on 24 February 2004, 00:47
Yeah, I've read that, too. Even scarier.
Title: Drastic climate changes over the next 20 years.
Post by: WMD on 24 February 2004, 00:59
It says this:

 
quote:
A secret report, suppressed by US defence chiefs and obtained by The Observer...


Anyone can say a "secret report" got leaked and then spread their propoganda.  :rolleyes:
Title: Drastic climate changes over the next 20 years.
Post by: Paladin9 on 24 February 2004, 06:31
I think a few hundred years from now would be more realistic.
Title: Drastic climate changes over the next 20 years.
Post by: restin256 on 25 February 2004, 04:11
Carbon Dioxide actually helps plants, contrary to popular belief.
Title: Drastic climate changes over the next 20 years.
Post by: Paladin9 on 25 February 2004, 07:57
What!? That sounds like something Rush Limbaugh would say. "Those damn liberals!" That reminds me of when Rush said that there are more trees now then there have ever been! Sure, there are lots of seedling growing from where trees were cut down, but how many of those actually live?
Title: Drastic climate changes over the next 20 years.
Post by: Laukev7 on 25 February 2004, 08:29
Restin256 is right, plants breathe CO2 and reject O2, contrarily to animals. However, most other chemicals, including sulfates and nitrates, do damage vegetation because they form acids when dissolved in rain water. And while CO2 may not inflict direct damage to plants, it does harm them in the long run because of the greenhouse effect, which would cause the poles to melt and cool down the Conveyor Belt, which would be what would cause the global ice age, according to the article on Indymedia.
Title: Drastic climate changes over the next 20 years.
Post by: Paladin9 on 25 February 2004, 08:36
Actually, from what I understand plants breathe CO2 and produce O2 when there is sunlight, but at night it is the opposite. Then plants use O2 and produce CO2. This is what I remember from school.
Title: Drastic climate changes over the next 20 years.
Post by: Refalm on 25 February 2004, 15:48
I just heard some scary shit on the radio this morning:

The report also contained a piece about The Netherlands.
Our country is under sealevel, and we have dykes to keep the water out. If the sealevel rises, the dykes begin to fill with water and eventually, the whole country (excluding Rotterdam, Texel, Utrecht, Limburg and parts of Gelderland (where I live) and North-Brabant) will be filled with water.
So expect Dutch people to move to countries like Belgium, UK and Germany in 30 years.

There's one good thing about this though. I'm going to live just 50 kilometres from the sea  (http://tongue.gif)
Title: Drastic climate changes over the next 20 years.
Post by: Laukev7 on 25 February 2004, 17:11
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 If the sealevel rises, the dykes begin to fill with water and eventually, the whole country (excluding Rotterdam, Texel, Utrecht, Limburg and parts of Gelderland (where I live) and North-Brabant) will be filled with water.


Sorry if I'm totally ignorant about how dykes work, but wouldn't you have enough time in 30 years to 'upgrade' (for lack of a more accurate word) your dykes so they can adapt to a higher sea level? Netherlands being quite a small country, there wouldn't be that much of a distance to cover, so I'm guessing such a feat would not be impossible if all the time and ressources were dedicated to such a project.

 
quote:
Originally posted by Paladin9 has a new G5:
Actually, from what I understand plants breathe CO2 and produce O2 when there is sunlight, but at night it is the opposite. Then plants use O2 and produce CO2. This is what I remember from school.


Yes, you're right about that.
Title: Drastic climate changes over the next 20 years.
Post by: Refalm on 25 February 2004, 17:21
quote:
Laukev7: Sorry if I'm totally ignorant about how dykes work, but wouldn't you have enough time in 30 years to 'upgrade' (for lack of a more accurate word) your dykes so they can adapt to a higher sea level? Netherlands being quite a small country, there wouldn't be that much of a distance to cover, so I'm guessing such a feat would not be impossible if all the time and ressources were dedicated to such a project.


There's a lot of dykes here. Upgrading them all takes at least 20 years, and then you got all kinds of protests from people wo are affraid to lose their house because they live near a dyke. And they're a lot.
Title: Drastic climate changes over the next 20 years.
Post by: restin256 on 26 February 2004, 05:33
I didn't mean to sound as though I was promoting pollution. It's evil.

 
quote:
Originally posted by Paladin9 has a new G5:
Actually, from what I understand plants breathe CO2 and produce O2 when there is sunlight, but at night it is the opposite. Then plants use O2 and produce CO2. This is what I remember from school.


I'm no authority on biology, but I wonder how the oxygen hasn't run out yet.