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Miscellaneous => The Lounge => Topic started by: shuiend on 16 September 2002, 06:32
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i found this on another forum that i post on. HERE (http://www.eldaronline.com/community/index.php?board=9;action=display;threadid=16073)
i personally think it is a good idea and that i might soon make some trips to canada
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YAY WOO-HOO W00T W00T W00T! I've heard the news too!
Next we must make some oil pipelines, except they shall provide a cheap and fast means of shipping BC bud to all places in Canada! (http://smile.gif)
"Oooh that buds so scandolous, you hit it too hard you can't handle this. So your smoking that thang when you pass it to us, with a look in your eyes so devious uh. You inhale with all your gut, suck it down hard 'till your seeing dots, and your body's on the ground but your mind is not cuz you livin la viva smoka. Now you high as a kite kite kite been toking all night night night, all night long all night long, let me hit that booooooooong, baby that bong bbong bong bong bong."
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i dont smoke pot, but what the fuck is it illegal for!!
Lets see the reasons why it might be illegal:
1. more people might drive under the influence of it... ???hmmmmmm, you would you rather be on the road with; someone on alcohol speeding and swerving or someone high and going 50 KM and making damned sure that everyone has their seatbelts on and shit
I dont see why its illegal, and alcohol isnt. But they should both be legal. I could rant on and on forever but i have to do homework.
[ September 20, 2002: Message edited by: The Master of Reality / Bob ]
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I am sure that a lot of fucking people smoke pot and basically consider it not illegal. I dont consider myself a criminal for it.
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here is one of the fucking articles on it:
http://www.medicalmarihuana.ca/legalize.html (http://www.medicalmarihuana.ca/legalize.html)
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i live in reno, nevada and there is going to be a vote soon for legalizing marijuana. Im all for it, and so is most of this state. but, the "fedz" will probably step in and override our votes. shitty, but who knows, we might be the first state in america to have smoke bars. crazy.
ecsyle_one
oh yeah, so not only will we have slutz, gambling, and 24 hour drinking, but we will all be high too. what a fu@ked up state... ;)
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I DO NOT think pot is ok. two of my best friends became pot heads, and now they are assholes who think there shit does not stink and that everything they say is right. If you ever correct them on something they say, then they will get verry pissed off. Now they do not like me at all, and I did nothing wrong to them to cause this. I have smoked it before many times and never liked it. I am not for legalizing Marijuana except medical purposes.
Why are you guys talking about this on this site anyway???
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This is the lounge you know. You can talk about almost anything here, as long as you don't fuck with the board usage policies.
I have a few pot-head friends too, and they have come out with mixed results. None of them have become irritated assholes like you describe. One is actually very smart, and funny too. Most of the others are just more laid-back than usual.
I'm sort-of neutral on the issue. I don't think it should be illegal, only because it's not even as bad as alcohol, and alcohol is legal. And because I think you should be allowed to do whatever you please, as long as it doesn't do harm to others.
Lazygamer...where did you get that?!
[ September 16, 2002: Message edited by: The_Muffin_Man/B0b ]
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Ok here's the thing about p0t. Pot is one of the most random chance drugs there is. It's not so much that you roll a die each time you smoke it, it's that the short and long-term effects it will always have on you are based on the genetics you were given at birth. So in a way, it's REALLY REALLY REALLY random.
However, it's ultra hard to overdose on it. Perhaps it's impossible even. I always assumed that you would pass out from tiredness before you could toke enough to overdose, but my brother(a major pothead) says that you would puke it up before you overdosed. See there you go right there, major randomness effect. Pot makes me tired eventually. So I would fall asleep involutarily before I puked it up, some of you however, woulden't fall asleep. Then there's also the fact that you would get so stoned, that you have an extremely hard time efficiently toking more pot(this happened one day when I got super stoned, it was only 4 fucking joints that did this, not 100. I had trouble getting the dube smoke in because I was so f0cked up). Once again, some of you woulden't. I get ub3r silly on pot, my brother doesn't. etc.
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here are scientific facts about marijuana that i am aware of:
-there is not 1 death caused by marijuana in recorded history but THOUSANDS of deaths directly caused by alcohol
-it is almost impossible to overdose on marijuana, people can't smoke any more when their lungs will simply not let them (caughing)
-alcohol causes false assurance wheras marijuana causes extreme paranoia. i was in a car where the driver was stoned and he was the most alert driver i have ever seen, he was going UNDER the speed limit and complaining about how people going the limit "have a death wish" and when he saw a yellow light he would stop instead of speed up. we were on a residential road and my buddy yelled "look out for that kid" (even though there wasn't a kid) and the driver just SLAMMED on the brakes and came to screaching halt.
-drinking a beer kills more brain cells than smoking a joint
-marijuana is cheaper than alcohol, 1 joint costs like 3-4 dollars and it gets you goin pretty good but to get drunk you need to drink like 7 beers which costs you over 7 dollars
-alcohol makes you think you are invincible wheras marijuana makes you think that you can't risk anything
-marijuana has over 10x as much tar as a cigarette does (that's really bad)
-marijuana is 100% not addictive, habbit forming but not addictive
when i say habbit forming, it means you want more but you won't go nuts if you don't have it. if you pass by a steak house you'll go "oh man i want a steak" but you won't freak out if you don't get one, same thing with weed.
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Wow, sweet facts! Ok so it has 10 times the tar... yikes! But im positive that d00bie smoke isn't nearly as harsh as cigarete smoke. I abhore cig smoke, but d00bie smoke doesn't bother me. It even smells alot better. Cig smoke in high quanities gives me a sore throat, fatigued lungs, watery eyes etc. Doobie smoke(even in a hotbox the size of a pickup truck cab) has similar effects, but on a vastly reduced level. Even if it has ten times the tar, it's GOTTA have alot less other shit in it, thus meaning it's safer to smoke.
Ok what about bongs, don't they purify the cronic some? What about injested marijuanna(like marijuanna tea or brownies), is that safer then smoked marijuanna?
Can marijuanna be broken down into carconegenics(sp) like Cigs can?
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Originally posted by xyle_one:
i live in reno, nevada
My parents live there, I go visit them sometimes but I dont really like to stay there to long. I just aint feeling it. But anyway back to the subject, I aint gonna lie, I blaze everyday and most of my friends do too. I think legalizing it would be one of the best things the US/canada/the world could do. Its not only a fact you can make oil out of the seeds, but its WAY more environmentally friendly. One of the main reasons it isn't legal yet is because of the oil companys paying off corrupt politicians. Also, like may people know, you can make paper, clothing, rope out of hemp, witch if it was legal could solve the problem of cutting down every tree in sight. And about what Paladin9 was saying, I dont think it was the weed that made your friends assholes, if anything it would make them not care what you said. But I also dont have any illusions about the herbs, its not GOOD for you by any means, it does tend to make you some what lazy. But in the end being lazy is up to you, many of my friends blaze everyday yet they have steady jobs, some making really good money. On the other hand though some are lazy bastards like me and have no job.
[EDIT]Damn, I read that over and realized I sound like a hippie.[EDIT]
[ September 16, 2002: Message edited by: trc3 ]
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about weed having 10X the tar as cigarrets i believe that ti be false. actual weed has no tar in it. it al depeds on how you use it. if you make a blunt out of cigar thingy it has tar but the tar comes from the cigar. it also depends what chemical are put on the plant like pesticide and shit. If it was legal there probally would not be bad shit on it and it would also have a filter for blunts to stop some of the smoke. But i am personall for the infamous brownies. but that is just my style
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Originally posted by lazygamer:
YAY WOO-HOO W00T W00T W00T! I've heard the news too!
Next we must make some oil pipelines, except they shall provide a cheap and fast means of shipping BC bud to all places in Canada! (http://smile.gif)
"Oooh that buds so scandolous, you hit it too hard you can't handle this. So your smoking that thang when you pass it to us, with a look in your eyes so devious uh. You inhale with all your gut, suck it down hard 'till your seeing dots, and your body's on the ground but your mind is not cuz you livin la viva smoka. Now you high as a kite kite kite been toking all night night night, all night long all night long, let me hit that booooooooong, baby that bong bbong bong bong bong."
Nice song (http://smile.gif)
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Thank God I live in the Netherlands where weed, marijuana (we call it ,,hasj") and paddo's (soft drugs mushrooms) are legal :D
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Originally posted by wild_jester / BOB:
about weed having 10X the tar as cigarrets i believe that ti be false. actual weed has no tar in it.
wrongo, notice how after you're done a joint you have a thick yellow tar on the roach? that is why a lot of people actually eat the roach...that tar is pretty strong WOOOOWEEEEEE
:D
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Cool, nice thread (http://smile.gif)
Putting marijuana in the same class as coke/speed/heroin/crack/whatever is totally and utter fucking rediculous. For starters, marijuana is not physically addictive (you're body doesn't need it or doesn't mind going without it) also how many people die because of marijuana? and how many people die of alcohol? How many families get fucked up by alcohol? and how many by marijuana? How many barfights get started because of alcohol? How many barfights get started because of pot?
There are just a few gripes I have with pot:
it's a very anti social drug, you're not really talkative and are a lot less likely to go out and meet new people if you're stoned
it makes your short term memory a bit hazy (but only to a limited extent)
Alcohol is a far worse drug then marijuana, however every 16 y/o kid here can go to the supermarket and buy some beer.
About legalization:
Legalizing pot is actually a very good move for every government to make, now I will hear some of you nay sayers ask why? Well, legalizing it really removes it from the criminal sphere associated to allmost every other kind of drug. It's also proven here in the Netherlands that the use of soft drugs does not create a hard drug addiction, we have about half a million pot smokers in holland (which is growing every year) yet we have about a hundred thousand people who use hard drugs (which is shrinking every year). If the use of soft drugs led to the use of hard drugs it is only because the soft drugs are sold by the same people who sell the hard drugs (they have no pot, so you just buy some LSD or something). However in most (90%) of all coffeeshops you will never ever enter again if you try and sell harddrugs there. Also in my opinion, what the fuck gives a government the right to tell it's people to not use a plant which can practically grow everywhere and has a lot of other uses then just as a drug. It's not like the government outlaws all coffee plants because caffeine is addictive? Furthermore, it's a huge tax income for goverments if they allow controlled sale of marijuana.
Oh and refalm, we call pot "wiet", which is the flower of the cannabis plant. And we call stuff "hashj" which actually is a compressed THC extract from the bark of the plant. The effect is roughly the same, but it's still different.
And shrooms are fucking filthy, like eating some french stinkcheese wrapped in sweatsocks and stored in a damp room for 4 weeks .....
Chooco:
marijuana itself doesn't contain any tar, if you smoke it without tabacco it actually cleans your lungs (slowly, but surely) however if used with tabacco your statement is allmost correct (though it's more like 6 times then 10 ;) )
Paladin:
your friends didn't magically became assholes through smoking pot, however, smoking pot does emphasize some personality traits, e.g.:
someone who is pretty paranoid by nature will get extremly paranoid when smoking pot
someone who is pretty introvert will get extremely introvert when smoking pot
so they were already assholes, they just didn't show it ;)
one more thing:
it's also extremely fucking cheap, I grow my own, I pay about 5 euro per plant (20 euro for 4 plants) which take about 12-16 weeks to grow of which I reap about 100-150 grams (at 5 euro/gram coffeeshop price, 100-150 grams for 20 euros is pretty fucking cheap ;) ). I don't have some kind of super duper hyper special pot growing installation, I just use a lamp and a closet (http://smile.gif)
(well ... and some various other cheap stuff, like Ph meters (marijuana likes ground Ph to be 7 spot on) and some nutricious goodies for the plants)
[ September 20, 2002: Message edited by: BadKarma ]
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i don't really think weed emphasizes personality.... people who are retarded make the same stupid comments. smart people make somewhat stupid yet scientificaly provable statements.
everybody does get paranoid though... :(
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hmm.
i have nothing against canabis, however i think it has its place.
i know from years of experience that people who smoke it tend to make it a way of life, and this does nobody any good even though it is a lot better than making any other drug into a way of life.
Also, hash has got 4 times the tar that tobacco has ounce for ounce. However, what is this you say about grass not having any tar in it? (grass, i would call the leaves and pollen of the plant, dried)
Also, i don't smoke tobacco, so i would smoke canabis in a pipe if i were to begin doing so again, the muscle actions associated with smoking a pipe and holding the smoke inside the lungs is associated with a dramatic rise in the possibility of developing emphezema.
I am not in any way against canabis though, and i think it should be legalised (and closely regulated as a result) as soon as possible, but i think that one must be honest about all the down sides too.
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Originally posted by Chooco:
i don't really think weed emphasizes personality.... people who are retarded make the same stupid comments. smart people make somewhat stupid yet scientificaly provable statements.
everybody does get paranoid though... :(
Personality is not the same as intelligence. And not everyone gets paranoid, I don't get paranoid when smoking pot, it really calms me down and takes my mind of all the shit happening in my life. Some people will smoke pot and go paranoid about all the shit happening in their life. Smoking pot has different effects on different people (just like any other drug, for example my body cannot tolerate alcohol, if I drink 6 beers I end up throwing up all over the place)
It's also a really good anti depressivia, and a lot less addictive then prozac (regrettably, I speak out of experience :( )
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pot + strobe light + heavy metal = a bobly paradise
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Originally posted by Calum:
Also, hash has got 4 times the tar that tobacco has ounce for ounce. However, what is this you say about grass not having any tar in it? (grass, i would call the leaves and pollen of the plant, dried)
I read this in an article in the high life a year or 2 back, ofcourse I'm not a scientist so I can't vouch for it's accuracy. Also I only smoke it with tobacco, so this whole cleansing your lungs stuff doesn't even go up for me (http://smile.gif)
Oh ... and I would call grass with leaves bad stuff ;) (you're meant to smoke the flowers, not the leaves (I assume that with pollen you mean the flower))
You are right when you say that it in general smoking pot creates a lifestyle but imho this is not necceserily a bad things. Going to pubs and drinking a lot of beer also creates a lifestyle, and I much rather spend time with people who are under the influence of pot then with people who are under the influence of alcohol. Though my experience with alcohol is limited (like I said, my ody doesn't tolerate it) I know for a fact that alcohol makes me do stuff I wouldn't normally do while I have never done something I wouldn't normally do under the influence of pot. Also I've never smoked so much that I didn't knew what I did the last day (and at times I smoked a *lot* of pot) while this is relatively easy to accomplish through the use of alcohol...
for the record (seeing as I didn't have anything to do today anyway) right now I am under the influence of pot (actually I'm smoking a blunt with some A quality moroccan hash right now, I'm in that few weeks no homegrown weed period, plants wont be ready for about a week or 3 ;) ), while that does affect my general state of mind, it doesn't effect e.g. my ability to communicate in a foreign language (or to communicate in general ;) )
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interesting that you feel the need ot be completely open about any canabis use, probably down to being from holland, myself, even though i have had about one pipe in the last 2 years, i still automatically hedge my bets when talking about my experiences with canabis. I have been present at several late night raids and in Orkney (where i am from originally) one of my friends, who has ME (the disease, not the 'operating system') was sentenced to six months in jail, during winter, for possessing 3 grams of hash at his house. He used it for medicinal purposes.
This was in the same week that our sheriff gave a guy a
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I never actually admitted to doing marijuana.... these are just speculations of mine. (lol)
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Well Calum, I think my openness about my marijuana use stems more from the fact that you don't get arrested for using or possesing marijuana (well, not if you have 5 grams or less on you anyway) here then my need for being open about it.
In general people have a very bad (and way off) image of marijuana which is also one of the reasons why I am so open about it, to educate people otherwise (and to show them that not everyone who smokes pot fits the stereotypical "pothead" image).
I actually saw a while back here on a news background show a piece about the english pub owners coming to holland for a course about running a coffeeshop (http://smile.gif)
They also mentioned that marijuana would be classified as a class C drug, which would actually be better then our policy (according to our laws, it *is* illegal, however the dutch government has a "gedoogbeleid" (dutch word, have no idea about translation, basically means a policy were they don't do anything about something which is illegal))
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that is actually what is being proposed for canabis here as well, it would not be any better or worse, which is fine by me. It was supposed to happen this july, but is being put off for at least another year unfortunately (my sister has ME you see, and she still lives in Orkney, with it's anti canabis police force. Little do they care that orkney has the highest underage drinking problem in the UK, oh no, they prefer to catch people for possessing hash).
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BadKarma: Oh and refalm, we call pot "wiet", which is the flower of the cannabis plant. And we call stuff "hashj" which actually is a compressed THC extract from the bark of the plant. The effect is roughly the same, but it's still different.
Only did it once to try it... it was a combination of both, which some say is the best.
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get over the fact that weed will never be legalized, come on people, would the government actally do something that the people want, no, they will listen to the industry, and canibis has many uses other then helping you to become part of your favorite couch for a few hours. like alot of rope is made from hemp, hemp can be turned into paper/*and no, you can't get high off of it, sorry had to say that, so the idiots don't go off and say, "wow man, rolling papers made from weed" wouldn't be a bad product though...*/ and if we used hemp instead of the rainforests and other places. but no, that would kill anohter outdated busniss model, lets also think about the hemp seed, umm, food product/*agian, non-psychoactive, why do you think my friends bitch about seedy weed, that is when they by a some just to smoke*/ so there you go, why i don't think that the government is going to legalize it here. but i do think it should be legilized, and, have you ever seen somebody chainsmoke 24 joints? ok i should stop ranting right now