Stop Microsoft
Miscellaneous => The Lounge => Topic started by: cahult on 30 July 2002, 15:56
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...what would you do to make it a better company?
Calum gave me the idea when I was reading a reply to one of VoidMain
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And if that didn't work I would burn the place to the ground, gather up all the ashes, and fire them toward the sun.
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I'd loot the company, fire all employees and go live off my cash for the rest of my life on some exotic small island in the pacific ocean.....
yep ... sounds like a good plan
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Make the next windows (that will only be used on Microsofts computers) overheat the processor so that all the computers will burst into flames and burn down the company. Then i will collect the insurance and buy a big island in the atlantic to live on and get a helicopter and a hummer (the helicopter will carry the hummer around). Then being corrupted by running MS for that short time, i would put up something to take control of all the icebergs and charge people if they dont want one hitting their ship. I would also control the icegerg bottled water trade.
they wont be charged money for anythng though. I will give away the bottled water. I will demand one female from the ships that dont want to hit an iceberg
[ July 30, 2002: Message edited by: Master of Reality / Bob ]
[ July 30, 2002: Message edited by: Master of Reality / Bob ]
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Here's my plan.
I would work on optimizing the hell out of Windows. Sure it's just a bunch of hacks, but many problems are just sloppiness and lack of common sense programming. It can be much better(although still not Unix) even if it is still a bunch of hacks.
Slowly we could keep Wind0ze compatible as it ever was and "common sense" fix it. Policies of bloatness, incompatibility etc. would be abolished. With each new patch, Windows would start getting better, like a cure slowly beating a diease.
I would seek to slowly take away the ammo that us Linux d00dz have against MS. Over time you could still claim many problems, but there severity would be greatly weakened. Thus the smarter people are much less inclined to seek out alternatives.
In addition, I would really try to reverse the "evil, greedy monopoly" aspect that the Linux community has against us. They either take away or tone down their claims, or else XP user #00000 can actually prove you guys are lying. (http://smile.gif)
Note that Pallidum would be SCRAPPED, far too much anti-MS ammo for Linux d00dz and smart computer advocates.
This still would all be part of phase 1.
Phase 2 would involve a top secret new OS. It's not Unix, but it learns much from it's successes and Windows/dos failures. At the end of phase 2, MS will still be a giant monopoly, but it's a much more fair monopoly who realizes the importance in leaving are enemies verbally unarmed. We allow for competition, in fact we ENCOURAGE IT! We use our massive profits and clout to create awesome software, in fact hackers are even hired to give us fresh new insight into not becoming stagnated. Still windows(new system would lose this loser name) would not be open source.
However, this would be Shawn Ratzloff doing all of this out of common sense. If it was my current self, Microsoft would change even more to become less evil, although I don't feel it can still make giant profits if it was open source.
Why the f**k Gates doesn't catch on to this concept is beyond me. He is only here because of luck and luck won't last forever. The underground(us) has tremendous amounts of ammo that can be backed up, he cannot win if were armed. So the only way to unarm us and still be evil is to take away any software incentive(other then moral) to switch to Linux.
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would it be open source?
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Originally posted by Master of Reality / Bob:
Make the next windows (that will only be used on Microsofts computers) overheat the processor so that all the computers will burst into flames and burn down the company. Then i will collect the insurance and buy a big island in the atlantic to live on and get a helicopter and a hummer (the helicopter will carry the hummer around). Then being corrupted by running MS for that short time, i would put up something to take control of all the icebergs and charge people if they dont want one hitting their ship. I would also control the icegerg bottled water trade.
they wont be charged money for anythng though. I will give away the bottled water. I will demand one female from the ships that dont want to hit an iceberg
Hey, can I be your president and chairman of the board? The board would be made up entirely of Hooters girls of course!
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i would also tell ballmer to come into work late one night (at 23:00) and then claim that i thought he was a burglar when i shot him execution style in the back of the head.
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Na, I say keep ballmer as the local jester, he could run around the building all day jumping up and down yelling. Personally I find him quite amusing...
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quote:
Originally posted by VoidMain:
And if that didn't work I would burn the place to the ground, gather up all the ashes, and fire them toward the sun.
oh yes! i like it a lot!!!
actually, i think i would cease production of windows, and all their shitty dos/win32 software and turn microsoft into an honest to goodness linux or bsd vendor as soon as possible.
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Actually I've rethought my firing the ashes into the sun plan. It would be wiser to fire them out of the solar system. The sun is far too important of a resource. The windows ashes could cause the sun to blue screen which would destroy the earth.
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<MichaelDell>I'd sell it and give the assets back to the shareholders.</MichaelDell>
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I liked what Lazygamer said untile i saw that he IT WOULDNT BE OPEN SOURCE.
You Sir need to stay away from any CEO position in the field.
Am afraid you havent realized the concept behind Open SOurce yet.
How can you encourage competition when you have closed source?
At work I have asked the Head programers (THE CHIEFS in the joint) what do they prefer.
a) Doing programming for Windows?
b) Doing programming for Ubux/Linux.
All three of them said B. The reason? Open Source.
[ August 01, 2002: Message edited by: bazoukas ]
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Lol, well how the hell can you make profits(particulary huge profits) with open source? Open source means it's free and people can steal your hard work right?
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No open source does not mean it's free, but it does mean that it's Free. Being Free means that you, the end user can change the code to suit your needs if the original code is not sufficient. Some Free (as in Free Speech) software is also free (as in free beer) but not all.
You used the word "steal". That can be applied to either open OR closed source software. The only difference is you can not change the code in closed source software to suit your needs. Many of us believe that if we are to buy a piece of software, we should also get the source code so we can make the software work better for us.
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Ah I see, so if you want to make massive profits you churn out software that is awesome! Still, isn't it easier for competitors to steal boatloads of raw source code then they claim "we didn't take anything"? With closed source software, it's not as easy because everything is in machine code.
Am I missing something here?
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But it's just like anything else. What's to prevent you from taking your radio apart and build one exactly the same, mass produce it, slap your name on it and sell it? If you break a license/copyright and get caught, you go to court, if found guilty you go to jail. No difference.
And can you imagine how far technology would be right now if EVERYTHING was open source and there was never closed source software? I think you would probably have those thought controlled machines by now. And it would be the *true* innovators that get ahead.
[ August 01, 2002: Message edited by: VoidMain ]
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Wow...
I guess you could always have some well designed anti-piracy code laced with your regular source code(and the source code malfunctions without this seemingly important code, so it's a bitch to get out). Then you run an anti piracy checker program and it can receive certain signals from the targeted file, showing stolen sourcecode and how much is used. Of course it's not spyware, a suspected binary must be on the same computer to be checked.
Such code would be less likely to be cracked because you'd be a "good guy" company, and hackers would be less likely to crack something that would only allow greedy MS-wannabe corporations to to steal your hard work and implement it shoddily. Because it would still be totally open source, it would be possible for people to prove that it's not MS-ish spyware.
Is that all possible?
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lazygamer, until you understand that it is IMPOSSIBLE to steal anything from an open source piece of software, you can not understand what open source is all about. No personal offence intended.
I think that you should read this document here (http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/opensources/book/stallman.html).
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um microsoft does it all the time calum. i might try to use the new cracking leqilazation meant for the mpaa and riaa to try to get into microsofts inter networks and steal the source code and look for shit under the gpl. and then i won't be responsible for cracking their boxes cuase i found illigal copyright material. or i will tell someone to do it to challenge the laws. if only the fsf would use gestepo tactics to keep software free, we wouldn't have the analkunts at microsoft. owell, sorry for the rant.
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Well, I have to sort of agree with Chaos on this one. I believe you can steal open source code. If you take GPL code, make proprietary software out of it and sell it without including the source then I would say that is stealing. You've basically broken the license agreement.
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i would also put twenty dollar bills in the washrooms to wipe your ass with.
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Well no offense taken, some of us just have BIG problems getting this seemingly simple concept.
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well, i suppose in a way it is stealing, since it's certainly illegal and immoral (whipping stuff from the GPL and using it outwith your legal entitlement) but didn't voidmain tell us a while ago that this rarely happens, since there would be a big scandal about it?
Also, it is not technically stealing since the coders cut their code loose to a certain degree when they gpl something. This however makes it morally WORSE to actually use such code illegally in my opinion.
No matter what i have to say on the matter, i still think the stallman essay i link to above explains it best.
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Yes, they open their code up and the intent of GPLing it is to make sure it stays open. If someone takes it and closes it up and redistributes it without the source code included they have broken the GPL which is illegal (and similar to stealing if you ask me). And Calum, you are correct I said that it would rarely happen, and I stand by that because the person/company that were to do that would be found out one way or another and prosecuted/heckled for it. Stallman's vision is a good one, and that is to ensure source code is included with any binary code so that you have the freedom to customize the code in any way you choose for your purposes. His fight is against proprietary closed source software. The GPL ensures the code stays open.
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Totally off-topic
Aren't you automatically assuming Open Source means GPL or BSD license included? Open Source means The code for the programme is open - you can read it from start to finish. It does not imply anything else.
Now you automatically have copyright of that code you wrote. Anyone can steal the code (but stealing is ILLEGAL).
If the code is given out, then you can use it in terms of the license (if any) issued with it.
If you can read the code does not mean you have the right to edit, change, improve, remove or in any way alter that code - unless the license gives you that right - but you could, and that means if company X stops trading you can still use the code for whatever it was you were doing, and update it yourself.
To steal code would backfire, because people should insist all program code they use is open. That way people can see the code in all software, and eventually someone would see the stolen code, and realise that either that program stole the code, or the other program they saw stole the code, hence someone would get prosecuted for license or copyright infringement, and people like us would be so incensed that that company would loose sales as a result. The old addage if you can't do the time don't do the crime applies here.
On-topic
I'd piss on their mains transformer, causing huge power spikes that would destroy the hard drives. When they realise the expense of replacing them and getting their files back under windows they'll change to Linux.
I would suggest the ashes head towards a nice Kerr-Newman Singularity, whereby they can be crushed and rebuilt into raw material to become something useful to the next universe.
[ August 02, 2002: Message edited by: pkd ]
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You are absolutely correct about open source. We just always seem to steer the conversation toward GPL because I think most of us would like to see ALL software eventually fall under this license. It ensures the code stays open, unlike BSD and other open source licenses.
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Take 15 billion for myself, invest everything I can into Apple (except my 15 billion) and close the company.
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For a start i would fire all the workers as they obviosly dont know what there doing. Then i would destroy every copy of Windows. Then i would give most the money too Open Source developers. And live off the rest, I would buy fast cars and hire supermodels to shave my arse hair.
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I could increase the monopoly assinsate all the Linux Developers. Buy out Apple and sun and start chargeing 10x what they are now.
===OR===
I could use the money to take over the world! ba hahahaha
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give one US dollar to every human on the planet.
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I would buy myself a new PC and a new Mac.
And a juice bar.
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I just can't understand why a company can't be big buisness and closed source, without pulling the BS that MS does. Surely it's possible to create a captialist corporation that has much honor, and believes that customers and product quality are #1, no matter how much of a monopoly it is..
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Some large companies (that I like):
Sams Publications
McGraw Hill
Toshiba
Sony
Analog Devices
O'Reilly
Philips
Borland
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Surely it's possible to create a captialist corporation that has much honor, and believes that customers and product quality are #1, no matter how much of a monopoly it is.
Yes it is. You're making the mistake of thinking that Free Software and capitalism are mutually exclusive concepts. There's a little company called Red Hat that would disagree with your suggestion that Free Software can't be profitable.
And even if it turns out to be true that Free Software just isn't as profitable for companies as proprietary software is, we as a society have to say to the software vendors "sorry; tough shit." There are far more important ethical issues of Freedom at stake.
Capitalism, big business and copyright and everything else that's being used against us is actually supposed to be there for our benefit. The bottom line is that it will benefit society to have all software Free and open.
Get some of Richard Stallman's speeches on this subject here. (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/philosophy.html#Speeches)
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I would just use the money to help poverty!
If someone does not assinate bill gates soon the world will become a unhappy place! Why else would he keep so much money, most companys would use there revenue for development but Bill Gates and zer fruher Blammer will obviously do somthing evil with the $$$. When you think of it they could wuite easily corrupt the US Government and take over everything.
So Microsoft can stop people doing anything about it they stick backdoors in Video Codecs and know what your doing... Its just to control you there is no other reason for them to get such acsess, what needs to happen is for some people to get off there ass and do somthing, 90% of this forum have no intention of doing anything about Microsoft. For fuck sake everyone GET OFF YOUR ASS dump flyers, destroy Computer shops with "Microsoft Certified System Builder" on the front. Do not be afraid of being in trouble, im talking serious shit. What we should be doing is FUCKING MICROSOFT OVER. Sell computers with Linux. Microsoft want a monopoly. Do serious things, like:
(http://www.fuckmicrosoft.com/images/sucks_billboard.jpg)
So go get off your ass!
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Bill Gates doesn't really have that much money. I mean, he has a ton of money compared to me, but not as much as people advertise. Most of his value is in stocks -- and he won't be able to sell all of those stocks. I think this was discussed in another thread (or was it on some website I visited??).
Oh, Ex, what exactly have YOU done to "fuck microsoft?" I know you switched a few people over to Linux, but is that all (not a small feat, mind you, but you say that we should so something very serious. . .)
[ August 05, 2002: Message edited by: TheQuirk ]
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And here is an example of why I say that it is possible to "steal" open source code for use in proprietary software, but why you would be unwise to do so:
http://download.com.com/3000-2140-10132447.html (http://download.com.com/3000-2140-10132447.html)
Check out all the reader comments on this beauty:
http://download.com.com/3302-2140-10132447.html (http://download.com.com/3302-2140-10132447.html)
It just goes to show that legal action usually isn't required to thwart such low-life tactics....
[ August 05, 2002: Message edited by: VoidMain ]
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1. announce the end of Windows
2. buy out Palm, Inc.
3. replace some staff
4. start coding BeOS R6
wonderful.