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Miscellaneous => The Lounge => Topic started by: yesicannabis on 18 October 2002, 20:14

Title: New OS??
Post by: yesicannabis on 18 October 2002, 20:14: Yeh, I am new to this whole site. I have really always hated mictosoft. The problem is I love half-life and other online games!!! So finding a good OS that plays online games is really hard. Also, Windows is a good product if it were made by Mac then that would be good.
Does this exist??

A OS that is recognised by windows compatible only programs and runs well??? It is quite a lot like windows and is free to download, it must be easy to use (like windows) Does this exist??? :confused:

Plz answer
Title: New OS??
Post by: RudeCat7 on 18 October 2002, 20:22: No, it doesn't exist.

one vote for dead thread. :rolleyes:
Title: New OS??
Post by: hm_murdock on 18 October 2002, 21:10: closest thing would be Mac OS X

Broad commercial support, stability, speed, ease of use.

But...

Requires Carbon or Cocoa ports of said games (unless you're a masochist and LIKE running games in Classic!), isn't free... in fact it's cost is tied in with a requirement that you have the most expensive hardware dongle on the planet... an Apple computer.

But... once you pop, you can't stop. If you can spend the doh, switch.

You can even run some windows wares with Virtual PC.
Title: New OS??
Post by: Refalm on 18 October 2002, 21:51: quote:
yesicannabis: The problem is I love half-life and other online games!!!

Why do you need Windows to do that?

You can emulate Half-Life in Linux via the WineX emulator. WineX costs $ 15, Linux is for free. You can download Linux distributions here (http://www.linuxiso.org/)...
I recommend Lycoris Desktop/LX, Mandrake Linux or Red Hat Linux because they are easy to use.

Or better, buy Unreal Tournament 2003, it comes with a Linux and Windows CD-ROM in one box.
Title: New OS??
Post by: Master of Reality on 19 October 2002, 02:03: quote:
Originally posted by RudeCat7:
No, it doesn't exist.

one vote for dead thread. :rolleyes:

shut up!

quote:
Yeh, I am new to this whole site. I have really always hated mictosoft. The problem is I love half-life and other online games!!! So finding a good OS that plays online games is really hard. Also, Windows is a good product if it were made by Mac then that would be good.
Does this exist??

A OS that is recognised by windows compatible only programs and runs well??? It is quite a lot like windows and is free to download, it must be easy to use (like windows) Does this exist???

Plz answer
I recomend RedHat 8.0 Linux and WINEX can be downloaded for freee, but its a little more difficult. You can play half-life in WineX and even online.

[ October 18, 2002: Message edited by: The Master of Reality / Bob ]
Title: New OS??
Post by: RudeCat7 on 19 October 2002, 02:43: quote:
A OS that is recognised by windows compatible only programs and runs well??? It is quite a lot like windows and is free to download, it must be easy to use (like windows) Does this exist???

This kid wants windows. I don't know why he says he wants to switch.

quote:
Windows is a good product if it were made by Mac then that would be good.

Come on! Look at this! Telling me to "Shut up!" is really not justified. :(
Title: New OS??
Post by: Master of Reality on 19 October 2002, 03:20: ok... would you kindly shut up?

meh... at least he got an open mind... i think he will like Linux.
Title: New OS??
Post by: RudeCat7 on 19 October 2002, 03:31: O.k.,
I think he would Love Linux. But please understand (directed to noob) Linux is NOT windows.
And though it is great, and does everything we want it to do, it is NOT windows. And although it is possible to run windows programs with wine, and winex, it is not exactly easy. Settle for a dual boot, for now.

What beef do you have against microsoft?(noob)
Title: New OS??
Post by: psyjax on 19 October 2002, 04:34: Mac OS X :D

Also, Mac is not a company, Apple is the company.
Title: New OS??
Post by: lazygamer on 19 October 2002, 07:24: Rudecat, I think you were being dissed because your too hard on the n00b. (http://tongue.gif)

Ok Wine and WineX(haven't tried WineX yet) is really not plug and play. I tend to look at these as tools that Linux masters get after lots of hardwork mastering Linux and being a super user in general, only then can they have near flawless emulation of alot of wind0ze games. Is that a correct assertion?

Wine and WineX probably aren't plug and play because no one(yet) sees the need to make a version that is super compatible(and super easy to set up) for n00bs. I mean when your good enough to easily use these programs, you tend to not be concerned about new arrivals and live in your own little bubble of iniquity(not sharing your skills with desperate n00bs) in your Linux castle. (http://smile.gif)

I've tried some experiments with Wine, not heavily though. Out of curiosity I tried running a wind0ze SNES emulator on Wine(emulatating an emulator, nice and geeky, except im hardly a geek), runs fine(and slow, but that's what happens when you emulate emulation) but acts(the SNES emulator) like it can't see any configuration files for it(even though they exsist). If Wine was n00b friendly, I could just run the SNES emulator in Wine and it would automatically know of the configuration files in it's directory.

So I just say f0ck Wine, that is the tool of gods, im not a god yet.
Title: New OS??
Post by: RudeCat7 on 19 October 2002, 07:46: You're right, I have emersed myself, and I forgot what it was like before I knew anything about Linux.

/*bubble gurgles*/ My BAD!/*bubble gurgles*/

I'm trying to be less opinionated /*bubble gurgles*/
Title: New OS??
Post by: Chooco on 19 October 2002, 14:45: quote:
Originally posted by Refalm:

Why do you need Windows to do that?

You can emulate Half-Life in Linux via the WineX emulator. WineX costs $ 15, Linux is for free. You can download Linux distributions here (http://www.linuxiso.org/)...
I recommend Lycoris Desktop/LX, Mandrake Linux or Red Hat Linux because they are easy to use.

actually you can't do that anymore. Valve Anti-Cheat now checks if you are running Half-Life through a program (like wine) and if you are, it considers you to be cheating and it bans you from that server. the mods currently supported by VAC are Counter-Strike and Day Of Defeat. TFC will soon be supported :(
Title: New OS??
Post by: lazygamer on 19 October 2002, 15:56: Is Valve aware of that problem? Are they going to consider figuring out a compromise? Could a compromise be reached that allows Wine to run HL, but prevents cheat programs as falsely identifying themselves as Wine?
Title: New OS??
Post by: Zombie9920 on 19 October 2002, 16:30: quote:
Originally posted by lazygamer:
Is Valve aware of that problem? Are they going to consider figuring out a compromise? Could a compromise be reached that allows Wine to run HL, but prevents cheat programs as falsely identifying themselves as Wine?

The thing is, cheats aren't identifying themselves as Wine..Wine is identifying itself as Wine. The servers are banning the use of Wine. It is understandable, because if the software was intended to run in Linux it would've been ported over to Linux nativley. Those games are designed to be Win32 only...so all I can say is tough shit if they don't allow you to play online without Windows. ;p
Title: New OS??
Post by: lazygamer on 19 October 2002, 16:44: Wine is identifying itself as Wine, but that doesn't mean VAC is desgined to pick up on a Wine signature. Maybe it's just designed to blindly detect Half-life being run by an external program. I highly doubt that Valve would be arrogant enough to actually single out Wine.
Title: New OS??
Post by: Calum on 19 October 2002, 17:30: or maybe those assholes who discriminate against linux users are just a bunch of sorry assed cunts?

maybe they have shares in a certain company and want to make sure that as many people aspossible buy a particular operating system?

or maybe they are COMPLETELY STUPID!!!!!

(just a thought! :rolleyes: )
Title: New OS??
Post by: voidmain on 19 October 2002, 20:55: I have a solution. Don't buy Valve products, get something like UT3.
Title: New OS??
Post by: lazygamer on 20 October 2002, 14:07: Still think Valve intentionally hates Linux?

Taken from transgaming.com

quote:
Collaboration.
Other efforts that have borne fruit since the WineX 2.1 release include collaborating with Valve Software to help fix the WineX Anti-Cheat compatibility issues that have plagued Linux Half-Life users for some time. This technology is available immediately to WineX 2.1 users with no new WineX update required.
Title: New OS??
Post by: voidmain on 20 October 2002, 19:14: Yes I do, until they have a native port. WineX is a hack.
Title: New OS??
Post by: lazygamer on 20 October 2002, 20:57: They probably have other things in the pipe, such as the never ending Team fortress 2 and a possible Half-life 2. Sure a Half-life Linux would sell awesome RIGHT NOW, but woulden't that need a shitload of recoding for Linux? Valve may be thinking that Half-life is running out of time, and by the time they get a Linux version released, it will be on it's way to death.

Just because they won't release for Linux does not mean they hate Linux. Heck, they probably use Linux around the Valve offices for some things. Chances are some developers are wary of jumping on the bandwagon... because there isn't enough developers jumping on right now.