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Miscellaneous => The Lounge => Topic started by: Laukev7 on 31 July 2003, 21:16
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Those fucking scum.
http://channels.netscape.com/ns/atplay/french.jsp (http://channels.netscape.com/ns/atplay/french.jsp)
They just throw this with other jokes, as if it's fun to laugh at the expense of a whole people. Disgusting.
Even when the American government is being criticised for the war. I wouldn't be surprised if Netscape/AOL was in bed with the government, spreading propaganda against others.
Unbelievable. I swear, Time Warner controls people's minds with that drivel. No wonder Americans are looked down upon, if people from other countries see what they have for entertainment.
I never had hard feelings against AOL before, and I always knew that AOL crap was for the total braindead (or possibly the very cause of that stupidity), but this makes me sick. I have no words to describe such a display of bigotry.
I am finished ranting now.
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[ July 31, 2003: Message edited by: suselinux ]
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I don't know how many of the American MES members in here agree with the AOL attitude ( and that attitude expands far past the French)
I will wait for some answers before I start my rant.
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By the way, I'm not criticising Americans here. I'm pointing out at how drivel spewed by AOL/CNN/WhateverothermediumownedbyAOL.com and MSN give a bad name to Americans, in addition to turning poor average citizens worldwide into vegetables.
[ July 31, 2003: Message edited by: Laukev7 ]
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Originally posted by Laukev7:
By the way, I'm not criticising Americans here. I'm pointing out at how drivel spewed by AOL/CNN/WhateverothermediumownedbyAOL.com and MSN give a bad name to Americans, in addition to turning poor average citizens worldwide into vegetables.
That's kind of why Im asking, I want to know what other people think, what some Americans think.
If they all, already agree with me there's no point in tellen' 'em again.
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What I find very disturbing is that someone somewhere at AOL/CNN/ seems to have lost all sense of morality in general! Under the quotes section we have:
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French President Jacques Chirac: "As far as I'm concerned, war always means failure."
Eermm... I thought that was infact right, or am I just a wrong, lefty, hippie, liberal?
I really don't want to start a flame war here, that's not my intention. Also it's very easy to make broad sweeping generalisations, that are never wholly right but very hard to avoid. However I think that this attidute does reflect an opinion in the states, however I've seen alot of critisism of the goverment and perhaps of the morals of American from Americans recently. It takes all sorts, no? Don't forget that we Brits have been very guilty of bashing the French in the past, just as the French seem to relish bashing us from time to time. Injuries all round then?
The question is this attidute in the majority or minority? Personally I'd say it's in the majority. Pitty.
[ July 31, 2003: Message edited by: Zardoz ]
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Well, you have to admit, the French do suck ass...
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Originally posted by Macman:
Well, you have to admit, the French do suck ass...
Why? Prove it!
What more or less than Yanks, Canadians, Brits, Australians, Iraquis....What?
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I'm just kidding. But it is kind of funny how the French have gotten their asses kicked in every single war they've been in. Besides, I'm not sure they're too fond of us either.
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Originally posted by Macman:
I'm just kidding. But it is kind of funny how the French have gotten their asses kicked in every single war they've been in. Besides, I'm not sure they're too fond of us either.
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Hundred years war:French eventually repel British invaders.
Napoleonic Wars:Yeah the french certainly lost here. :rolleyes: Only manage to control almost all of Europe for quite a long time.
Boer War: America plays no part in.
WW1: America plays very little part in - but does take advantage of the situation by selling the French and British munition at massively inflated prices. French provide strong resistance throughout the entire war.
WW2: America plays an extensive role in the pacific naval theatre - but does not much else in other theatres. By the way many people (myself included) are disgusted at Hollywood movies that try and give American soldiers credit for British / French achievements. Take U571 - historically accurate depiction of a crucial achievement for the allies - except for one thing - all british troops are replaced by Americans. This history revisionism is akin to David Irvings holocaust denial. French soldiers, despite their country being over run and at massive personal risk provide resistance efforts through the entire war, undermining German advancements.
War on drugs:Has failed miserably for the past how many years?
Cold war:Americans do dick all.
Vietnam War:Americans get hammered, leave country. French have the intelligence to leave *before* the major fighting starts.
Korean War:American efforts result in a united Korea free of communism leading to Korea being a massive leader in stopping nuclear proliferation.
Somalia:Americans leave after less than 10 casualties suffered - despite earlier claims to being in for the long haul.
Kosovo:Through fear of taking casualties Americans use the "bomb from safety" tactic and end up completely destroying one civilian train and numerous (occupied) hospitals.
Gulf War:Americans sell arms to both Iraq _and_ Iran in order to capitalise on peoples suffering.
Persian Gulf War part 1:Americans save a *non*democratic* country from Iraq. Despite promising to support any Kurdish uprisings Americans do nothing and thousands of Kurds die in failed uprisings. Retreating Iraqi soldiers are carpet bombed. Iraq bombed on a daily basis by NATO planes, food and medical supplies *banned* from entering the country to enforce a food for oil campaign.
Afghanistan:America bombs shit out of third world country to get one man. They fail, and hastily revise their objects from "get bin laden" to "get Taliban."
Persian Gulf War part 2:Still in progress.
Maybe you're just mistaking intelligence and morals for cowardice? Like most Americans "my country can beat your country in a war" is seen to you as the one defining factor in a countries worth. Some of us enjoy living in a country which does not have the highest rate of gun related deaths per capita in the world, and which does not have the highest rate of imprisonment per capita. You have a higher percentage of your population in prison than China or Russia for gods sake.
Just because France doesn't cowardly launch cruise missiles from afar at third world countries doesn't mean that they are a worse country.
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Wow. fuck aol.
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By the way, I'm not criticising Americans here. I'm pointing out at how drivel spewed by AOL/CNN/WhateverothermediumownedbyAOL.com and MSN give a bad name to Americans, in addition to turning poor average citizens worldwide into vegetables.
I would criticize them. and i live in america. born & raised. i am disgusted by our media. In fact, it looks like im not the only one. I have a subscription to Newsweek (mostly for anna quindlins column) and she feels that american media is a crock of shit. she doesn't exactly say it that way, she puts it more elequantly and wrote a page about it. american media is watered down for one. and def a little too "cowboy" for me. everytime i actually sit down to watch tv, which isnt often, i am blasted in the face with alot of "fuck everyone else, we are america damn it" news broadcasts. that and reality tv shows that are far from real. I do not think that many of the members here feel the way aol does, but i do think it reflects the head of most americans. Its not that we "hate" the french, its just that we are spoon fed what "they" want us to watch and know. Because bush said fuck the french, you have like a few million people saying the same thing. they cannot think for themselves. They say we live in a land of freedom and oportunity, but really, it is an illusion. We have no choice, or a voice.
fuck. look at the spectacle with the dead hussain bros. We NEVER show that sort of thing on national tv. Never. i can remember a lot of controversy even during the beginnings of the front "operation iraqi freedom". the public wanted to know what was going on, we wanted to see for ourselves to brutality. The gov says no, its not for tv. its not for the general public to see. Then they blast pics of mutilated bodies that were the hussain bros on national tv. WTF? Our media is a vehicle for the gov to feed us garbage. nothing more. we get shitty news, and even worse programming. I fucking hate tv.
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I really hate aol.
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I never hated AOL before, although I knew it was consumer crap like MSN. Seeing the way they control the public with their media monopoly (ie. crappy movies, CNN, cartoons) now I have good a reson to hate them as much as Microsoft. But I would like to know: why do so many others hate AOL so much?
[ July 31, 2003: Message edited by: Laukev7 ]
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Making stupid jokes about what is perceived as the American public's attitude toward the French is indicative of why AOL sucks. Basically, what they do is provide an abstraction of the internet: they make the internet somehow easy and accessible to the lazy. Typing 'www.yahoo.com' into the address bar of MSIE is apparently too hard for some people, so they use AOL as a mediator. What I am telling you is that AOL is for people who want to make use of the internet experience but do not want to learn anything or use their heads.
Ucoincidentally, making jokes about the French being pussies is also an activity for people who do not want to learn anything or use their heads. AOL of course knows this and caters to it, making their product even more unattractive to the educated. Anyone who sits down and really thinks about international politics will realize that the French haven't done anything wrong. And anyone who tries out Mozilla for a few minutes will realize that AOL has been treating them like children.
That's this American's perspective anyway. I order French Fries at restaurants in a loud and clear voice. God bless the Dixie Chicks.
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Originally posted by worker201:
Making stupid jokes about what is perceived as the American public's attitude toward the French is indicative of why AOL sucks.
Jay Leno made that joke, I don't believe he works for AOL.
AOL does suck, I don't really feel like explaining my opinion right now, but i believe they are one of our worst companies.
I don't see how it gives our whole country a bad rep though. You know how pissed people would get if I were to say something like, "that black guy was just arrested for murder, he gives africans a bad rep"? it's ignorant. As is giving 1 man and a company the power to make us all look like idiots. I'm sure there are plenty of examples but most things of importance are led by idiots. I know of 2 people that actually are what you'd expect us americans to be.
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Despite promising to support any Kurdish uprisings Americans do nothing and thousands of Kurds die in failed uprisings.
Hrm. I always thought it was because in order to get different Arab countries to sign-up, the US promised they would not "invade" Iraq, so the Middle East wouldn't be THAT destablized.
Keep in mind, I didn't take world history yet, and am just talking about things I read or heared, so feel free to correct me, and I'll feel free to search Google and come up with some more stuff (maybe ;) ).
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This is much different than an isolated murder. This is the case of a mega corporation in control of a big part of the American media. Chances are that people outside the US who will listen to American TV will come across an AOL-owned channel, and might get a very bad opinion of Americans, or at least think they are really ignorant. A good example of this was when CNN mistook Czech Republic for Switzerland on a map:
(http://www.thorsten-hurka.de/images/wasistfalsch.jpg)
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Jay Leno made that joke, I don't believe he works for AOL.
Most of these jokes are by Leno, and some of them even repeat themselves. Displaying them along with other jokes like 'laughable lawsuits' or 'dumb laws' as if they're casual jokes to laugh at is just as bad in my opinion. I don't even find the funny; they're downright insulting.
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Originally posted by Zardoz:
What I find very disturbing is that someone somewhere at AOL/CNN/ seems to have lost all sense of morality in general! Under the quotes section we have:
Eermm... I thought that was infact right, or am I just a wrong, lefty, hippie, liberal?
[ July 31, 2003: Message edited by: Zardoz ]
absolutely right
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I've written about this very thing before. This behavior is utterly childish and contemptable. OK, so Chirac didn't pause long enough to ask: "How high?" when His Bushness told him to jump. Is the rest of the world not entitled to an opinion? How fast all too many folks here in America are to forget. The lady in Paris who, upon hearing about the WTC, said that today we (the French) are all Americans this day? Contrast the reaction of the French with those in other parts of the world. Or that this very same Jacques Chirac that we're all suppose to hate so much was the first foreign leader to visit Ground Zero to pay his respects? Or the fact that not more than a month ago that it was French troops who saved hundreds of Americans when the war in Liberia suddenly exploded into Monrovia? And AOHell is still putting up all those stupid French jokes (which are neither original nor funny)?(!) :eek: :eek: :eek:
Well, let me tell you that as an American I still call those potato strips "French fries", I damn well intend to go on using Mandrake (like I'm going to ditch that and go back to Winderz because MandrakeSoft is a French company (http://tongue.gif) ) When will these assholes realize that they are hurting their fellow Americans who happen to own and work at "French" restuarants? Or the Americans who run businesses that import French goods?
Isn't it high time that people get over it? After all, His Bushness proclaimed the war over on May 1.
When will this country grow the fuck up? :confused:
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I thought they were funny.
Its not like the French aren't doing similar things back? I'm sure they have shitloads of websites that quote bush and his mess ups. I don't see what the big deal is.
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Yes, but they normally appear at personal websites and forums, not mainstream news sites. Even mainstram humour sites don't put such puerile jokes. Those are not average segregation jokes like redneck or blonde or ethnic jokes. The type of humour found at Netscape.com makes those French jokes stick out like a sore thumb, and they look more like subtle, deliberate attacks than jokes.
[ August 03, 2003: Message edited by: Laukev7 ]
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Originally posted by suselinux:
That's kind of why Im asking, I want to know what other people think, what some Americans think.
I think it's in bad taste and just plain stupid.
I don't hate AOL or think they are a bad company, and I don't particularly like them either, I basically don't care.
I imagine that the joke writers are catering to what they believe to be public opinion, I guess being politically correct doesn't apply here.
I remember when I was a kid there were a lot of Polish jokes going around, just because they lost the Olympics or something. But at least some of those jokes were actually funny.
[ August 03, 2003: Message edited by: Bigsleep ]
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I basically don't care.
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well, those jokes were kind of weak. i wish AOL had tried harder...
i hate AOL because of their internet service, but they don't seem quite so bad now :-p
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Something just occurred to me about this entire topic.
TAKE A FUCKING JOKE!!!!!
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Originally posted by Stryker:
I don't see how it gives our whole country a bad rep though. You know how pissed people would get if I were to say something like, "that black guy was just arrested for murder, he gives africans a bad rep"? it's ignorant. As is giving 1 man and a company the power to make us all look like idiots. I'm sure there are plenty of examples but most things of importance are led by idiots. I know of 2 people that actually are what you'd expect us americans to be.
Exactly. This reminds me that I need to watch my wording sometimes. I know it gets on my nerves when people say things like "The Americans think this" or "The Americans did that" or "Once again, the Americans invaded such-and-such a place." (As opposed to "such-and-such a corporation thinks this," or "such-and-such an organization did that" or "Once again, the United States military invaded such-and-such a place") It might seem like an insignificant difference, but it really isn't; I might live in the U.S., but I am not AOL, Microsoft or the USAF. I don't make their decisions, and things shouldn't be said as though I or the majority of the people in this country do. Sorry for the rambling, just felt like I had to say that (http://smile.gif)
(Another thing this reminds me of is "America Town" from the Simpsons episode where they go to Japan. If anybody here has seen that, I'm sure they will know EXACTLY why I am mentioning that :D )
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Originally posted by WINDOWS RULEZZZZ:
Aerica rulezzz you retard!! Whatever the US goverment says is true. YOU'RE JUST JEALOS YOU LIVE IN I LIVE IN AMERICA!!!! YOU MUST BE ASHAMED TO BE A CANADAIN!!! ARE YOU A SEPRATIST????
You're an utter moron. Since you appear to have a dismal knowledge of geography, I'll give you an assignment to make up for all the time you wasted in grade school playing your national anthem with your Walkman during lectures. Firstly, look on a map and point out where Canada is located. I'll give you a hint: it is the big lump of land north of your own. Secondly, I ask you the name of the continent where Canada is located. Thirdly, write a essay on why everything you said above makes no sense whatsoever.
No, I am not a 'sepratist'. You, however, are a right prat, period. As for separatism, I have not made my mind on that yet. But I don't see where this issue comes in, as the topic at hand concerns a corporation who insults a country which is not mine and undermines the integrity of yours with its hogwash. If you love your country so much, how can you tolerate it being manipulated by a corporation and a government that clearly go against its very principles -- namely freedom of expression?
[ August 08, 2003: Message edited by: Laukev7 ]
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Originally posted by Laukev7:
You're an utter moron. Since you appear to have a dismal knowledge of geography, I'll give you an assignment to make up for all the time you wasted in grade school playing your national anthem with your Walkman during lectures. Firstly, look on a map and point out where Canada is located. I'll give you a hint: it is the big lump of land north of your own. Secondly, I ask you the name of the continent where Canada is located. Thirdly, write a essay on why everything you said above makes no sense whatsoever.
No, I am not a 'sepratist'. You, however, are a right prat, period. As for separatism, I have not made my mind on that yet. But I don't see where this issue comes in, as the topic at hand concerns a corporation who insults a country which is not mine and undermines the integrity of yours with its hogwash. If you love your country so much, how can you tolerate it being manipulated by a corporation and a government that clearly go against its very principles -- namely freedom of expression?
[ August 08, 2003: Message edited by: Laukev7 ]
typical american troll, eh?
Canada is on north america, and is the secund largest contery in the world howerer it has a small populaction.
I would write more, but is don't feel like it
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Bwa-a-a-aha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha! Big American corporations mercilously crushing the upstarts!
Actually, I met a few French people before and thought they were nice people. I've seen other Europeans on the subway including some speaking German and found them to be as human as the Americans on the same subway train. I recently talked to two officers who were in the German Navy who I found talking to each other one day. That reminds me. I was thinking of bringing over a set of gears that my father brought back from the war (WWII) and see if anyone in the German Navy can tell me what they are. There's offices in Crystal City (Arlington) Virginia with people from the German Navy working in them. I wonder what they are up to. Walking through the mall during breaks from work I found that all the asian shops are run by Koreans. My boss came from Russia, we have other Russians working for us, two Chinese and two Koreans. There is also some one from Japan and people from Afganistan, Pakistan and the Philipeans working in my office. Everywhere I look in my area I find people from a foreign country, recent immigrants, people with green cards, etc. I see people from El Salvador and other South and Central American countries. Years ago I used to talk to my friends about our ancesters coming from countries like Germany, Italy, England, etc. America is really made up of people from all over the world.
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(never saw this thread before....)
Sorry Laukev7, I found some of these funny. But I think, hey, they're just jokes. Besides, AOL sucks anyway, this doesn't prove it anymore than always :D
It seems like humans find jokes against people of other countries funny by nature. But I doubt that the joke-tellers were ever really that serious.
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Okay, Great_Satan, at least you posted something decent, but why did you revive a four-months old thread?
And WMD, whether these 'jokes' are funny or not (frankly, I find them trite and repetitive), whether the joke tellers were serious or not, who told the joke or about whom the joke is, is not the issue. Putting any racist or xenopĥobic joke on a mainstream website (and especially such downright insulting jokes), whether it's Belgian jokes in France, Newfie jokes in Quebec, Irish jokes in the UK, on a mainstream publication like AOL is unexcusable.
It's not like it's a few random jokes amongst many others, either. Neither are they even part of a collection of jokes making fun of foreign countries. Rather, they made a section specifically for anti-French platitudes, along with entirely unrelated collections, not even part of a foreign jokes section (in fact, they didn't even have the decency to be fair and include jokes about other nationalities).
It's clear that these 'jokes' were more intended to be attacks on the French people for having objected to the war against Iraq, rather than just for fun. These jokes are way too political. France has a very rich culture, and I bet there are many better jokes you can make about the French than that rubbish.
I personally wouldn't mind if people made jokes about Quebec or Canada; by all means make fun of our climate, our expressions, our culture, our PM Jean Chr
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Originally posted by Laukev7:
[QBAnd WMD, whether these 'jokes' are funny or not (frankly, I find them trite and repetitive), whether the joke tellers were serious or not, who told the joke or about whom the joke is, is not the issue. Putting any racist or xenopĥobic joke on a mainstream website (and especially such downright insulting jokes), whether it's Belgian jokes in France, Newfie jokes in Quebec, Irish jokes in the UK, on a mainstream publication like AOL is unexcusable.[/QB]
Yeah, you're right. That's kinda like having the NY Times putting French jokes in there...
It seems that Leno told most of those, so it should've been left there, and not repeated on a major website.
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Two men walked into a bar. One was Jaques Chirac. The other was George W. Bush. Chirac picked up a crow bar and faded Bushy a good one, then laughed in his face, and so did I because Bush is a lying sack of shit and I enjoyed seeing him get faded
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This doesn't make any sense
ie: www.aol.fr (http://www.aol.fr)
There's AOL France.
Insulting the french is a conflict of interest.
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BTW, AOL France is horrible with security.. They left DES encryption information in an open directory listing. Anyone with a port scanner could have found the entry, downloaded the tar file and basically had a JEwoks client\Server setup (jewoks.aol.fr) and basic authorization communication for ewoks.oscar.aol.com. (via the server code, written in java, which is EASY to decompile)
Also note, that AOL France is also responcible for two cracker methods that have been out recently:
fas.aol.fr, fas.netscape.fr
AOL.FR WapMail
Note: These don't work anymore, and I wouldn't post a working method for obvious reason that THIS IS NOT A HACKER FORUM. I'm just poking fun at AOL.FR
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Originally posted by The all X11 hater:
typical american troll, eh?
Canada is on north america, and is the secund largest contery in the world howerer it has a small populaction.
I would write more, but is don't feel like it
What are you trying to say? That Canadians don't reproduce enough?