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All Things Microsoft => Microsoft as a Company => Topic started by: iancom on 13 February 2004, 03:54

Title: Abuse the source, Luke.
Post by: iancom on 13 February 2004, 03:54
Just had to share, since it doesn't seem to have made it to these forums so far.

http://www.windowsbeta.net/comments.php?catid=1&id=493 (http://www.windowsbeta.net/comments.php?catid=1&id=493)

I haven't seen any independent proof of this yet, but apparently the Windows NT/2000 source code is now making its way around the Internet.

If the reports are true, and taking into account MS' security strategy of simply hoping no-one will notice the gaping holes in Windows because they can't get to the source, you can be damned sure that the next couple of months are going to be absolute hell for anyone who runs an MS system on the Internet.

Mass migration to Linux/BSD, anyone?

We can but dream.
Title: Abuse the source, Luke.
Post by: WMD on 13 February 2004, 04:36
www.neowin.net (http://www.neowin.net)

They "broke the story" apparently.

Anyways.. \o/ !!!!!!!!!  :D
Title: Abuse the source, Luke.
Post by: iancom on 13 February 2004, 04:44
Yeah, I posted the windowsbeta link because the neowin site has been Slashdotted Up Beyond All Repair(TM).

Code: [Select]

Of course, it was Slashdot where I originally read about it, not being one for hanging around sleazy Windows sites...
Title: Abuse the source, Luke.
Post by: Laukev7 on 13 February 2004, 05:15
The source code seems to contain very interesting artifacts...

http://slashdot.org/articles/04/02/12/2114228.shtml?tid=109&tid=187 (http://slashdot.org/articles/04/02/12/2114228.shtml?tid=109&tid=187)

 
quote:
 

10328 07-26-00 01:41 win2k/private/genx/shell/gnumakefile
 0 11-18-01 14:23 win2k/private/genx/windows/inc/mobileq-apache.eml
 0 11-18-01 14:23 win2k/private/genx/letter to children - 2.eml (*)
 0 11-18-01 14:23 win2k/private/inet/mshtml/btools/bin/words of wisdom from dennis.eml
 0 11-18-01 14:23 win2k/private/inet/mshtml/build/ppcmac/ship/unix.e ml
 0 11-18-01 14:23 win2k/private/inet/mshtml/build/ppcmac/documentati on of problems in stress.eml
 506 07-26-00 02:12 win2k/private/inet/mshtml/gnumakefile
 64276 07-26-00 02:13 win2k/private/inet/mshtml/tools/mips/utils/sed.exe
 
 Plenty of gnumakefile entries throughout...
 
 Also - directories for ppc / ppcmac / alpha / mips
 
 Could this be OFFICE 2000 instead of Windows 2000?
 
 * - WTF?
 
Title: Abuse the source, Luke.
Post by: mobrien_12 on 13 February 2004, 05:59
I'm skeptical.
Title: Abuse the source, Luke.
Post by: Laukev7 on 13 February 2004, 08:21
So was I, but Microsoft confirmed the leak:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A37648-2004Feb12.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A37648-2004Feb12.html)
Title: Abuse the source, Luke.
Post by: mobrien_12 on 15 February 2004, 12:19
Thanks for the link Laukev7.

Well it looks like it is an incomplete set of source.

For goodness sakes, don't look at it (remember the scence from Raiders of the Lost Ark where the Nazis looked at the Ark's contents?).
Title: Abuse the source, Luke.
Post by: cahult on 15 February 2004, 14:04
quote:
Originally posted by M. O'Brien:
Thanks for the link Laukev7.

Well it looks like it is an incomplete set of source.

For goodness sakes, don't look at it (remember the scence from Raiders of the Lost Ark where the Nazis looked at the Ark's contents?).


Or else Bill Gates will become Mola Ram and rip your heart out and laugh while it is burning
Title: Abuse the source, Luke.
Post by: TB on 13 February 2004, 17:02
Such a shame that it's only a partial leak......I believe zdnet Australia was told that the entire Win 2k source is supposed to be about 40GB. Does this figure seem even remotely accurate????

But it can't be denied - this WILL damage M$ rather badly.
Title: Abuse the source, Luke.
Post by: HPC GUY on 13 February 2004, 19:33
this has been a long time and coming, i mean hell, if half life 2 code could get stolen, why not windows.
Title: Abuse the source, Luke.
Post by: restin256 on 16 February 2004, 02:17
Is this a good thing? Eventually people might illigally modify the source code, or interpret it and rewrite it, and people would be using secure windows (I know, an oxymoron) on their desktop. Somehow the source could be modified against anybody detecting it, or it would possibly register as a Linux or BSD box.

If people looked over the source and rewrote it in C or something that had perfect memory handling, and then copywrighted their code under GNU, we could probably say goodbye to Microsoft on the desktop. The thing it it's illigal but if nobody could prove that they looked at Windows as the source they could never be punished.
Title: Abuse the source, Luke.
Post by: mobrien_12 on 16 February 2004, 03:16
quote:
Originally posted by restin256:
Is this a good thing? Eventually people might illigally modify the source code, or interpret it and rewrite it, and people would be using secure windows (I know, an oxymoron) on their desktop. Somehow the source could be modified against anybody detecting it, or it would possibly register as a Linux or BSD box.

If people looked over the source and rewrote it in C or something that had perfect memory handling, and then copywrighted their code under GNU, we could probably say goodbye to Microsoft on the desktop. The thing it it's illigal but if nobody could prove that they looked at Windows as the source they could never be punished.


We don't need MS code.  We already have open source stuff that is better than MS stuff (numerous BSD, Linux, darwin, etc).  The only thing useful we could get out of MS code would be better compatibility with closed formats (NTFS, undocumented Win32 APIs) but people on those projects wouldn't want to look at MS code for fear of tainting their work and having it SCOd.
Title: Abuse the source, Luke.
Post by: restin256 on 16 February 2004, 05:03
quote:
Originally posted by M. O'Brien:
The only thing useful we could get out of MS code would be better compatibility with closed formats (NTFS, undocumented Win32 APIs) but people on those projects wouldn't want to look at MS code for fear of tainting their work and having it SCOd.


People wouldn't actually use the source code in an Open Source windows imitation like ReactOS, they would just remake it. Compatability is a good thing, and for the people who prefer C:\ and D:\ (not me) it'd be easier for newbies to switch to the open-source movement.
Title: Abuse the source, Luke.
Post by: Claris on 15 February 2004, 06:19
Apparently the portion of the source code stolen was about 600-650 mb, which conveniently fits on a CD. It was stolen by an employee of MainSoft, a microsoft partner trusted with the code for a project they were working on.
Title: Abuse the source, Luke.
Post by: mc0282 on 15 February 2004, 11:11
let's see here the source contain most of windows kernel, shit load of  crap notepad,media player,sol,etc... so much source code to view at once.. no i am not saying have this source code or do i ? who knows  (http://smile.gif)
Title: Abuse the source, Luke.
Post by: Doogee on 15 February 2004, 15:23
quote:
Originally posted by mc0282:
let's see here the source contain most of windows kernel, shit load of  crap notepad,media player,sol,etc... so much source code to view at once.. no i am not saying have this source code or do i ? who knows   (http://smile.gif)  



  :rolleyes:
Title: Abuse the source, Luke.
Post by: Xeen on 15 February 2004, 23:02
Why does almost every single article on the web regarding this story refer to the Windows source code as "Microsoft's crown jewels" ? Microsoft's golden pile of shit is more like it.
Title: Abuse the source, Luke.
Post by: WMD on 16 February 2004, 01:31
Well the leaked package itself isn't that bad.  It's well organized by directory.  BUT, there's just too much: too much software, too many modules, too many "include" dependencies.  In other words, bloated.  As we all knew already.  :D
Title: Abuse the source, Luke.
Post by: WMD on 16 February 2004, 01:33
Oh btw, there was a full filelist on the net, but the link doesn't work anymore.  :(
Title: Abuse the source, Luke.
Post by: Stryker on 16 February 2004, 07:30
i got a file list from a friend, i didn't see any legal problems with posting a file list. http://calyptos.com/slashdot/files.txt (http://calyptos.com/slashdot/files.txt)
Title: Abuse the source, Luke.
Post by: WMD on 16 February 2004, 07:42
^ Ah yes, that's the same one.  (http://smile.gif)
Title: Abuse the source, Luke.
Post by: restin256 on 17 February 2004, 05:43
quote:
Originally posted by mc0282:
let's see here the source contain most of windows kernel, shit load of  crap notepad,media player,sol,etc... so much source code to view at once.. no i am not saying have this source code or do i ? who knows   (http://smile.gif)  


The code released is about half a gig, wheras the full code is 40 gigs. It's enough to rewrite and start an open source alternative, yes.
Title: Abuse the source, Luke.
Post by: Duo Maxwell on 17 February 2004, 10:55
(http://homepage.mac.com/duo_maxwell1/.Pictures/haxorpc3.jpg)

I think this about sums it up for Billy Gates, as for the rest of the suckers still usin' M$ products, what else can I say other then they've all been screwin' themselves since they decided to go M$.
Title: Abuse the source, Luke.
Post by: Doogee on 17 February 2004, 16:26
HAHAHAHAHA

That list is pure gold!
Title: Abuse the source, Luke.
Post by: WMD on 18 February 2004, 01:54
quote:
Originally posted by restin256:
The code released is about half a gig, wheras the full code is 40 gigs. It's enough to rewrite and start an open source alternative, yes.


The full code ain't 40GB.  Whoever first said that must've meant 40 million lines (~600MB).  Because 40GB of code is over 2 billion lines.  That's impossible.  :eek:
Title: Abuse the source, Luke.
Post by: flap on 18 February 2004, 02:26
Actually 50gb, apparently.

http://www.usenix.org/events/usenix-win2000/invitedtalks/lucovsky_html/sld015.htm (http://www.usenix.org/events/usenix-win2000/invitedtalks/lucovsky_html/sld015.htm)
Title: Abuse the source, Luke.
Post by: restin256 on 18 February 2004, 02:41
What confuses me is how the fully compiled code can shrink by 1/80th, unless the rest of the code includes the patches.
Title: Abuse the source, Luke.
Post by: idlepython3 on 18 February 2004, 03:49
HAS anyone seen anything on the news like cnn or anyone reporting on this? i would be curious how far reaching effects this has and how much it is being talked about outside this circle.
Title: Abuse the source, Luke.
Post by: idlepython3 on 18 February 2004, 04:10
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2004/Feb04/02-12windowssource.asp (http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2004/Feb04/02-12windowssource.asp)

"We are committed to helping our customers protect their networks and will take all appropriate steps to meet this commitment."
Title: Abuse the source, Luke.
Post by: flap on 18 February 2004, 04:23
quote:
Originally posted by tronsixpoint.o:
HAS anyone seen anything on the news like cnn or anyone reporting on this?


Check cnn.com, maybe?
Title: Abuse the source, Luke.
Post by: Xeen on 19 February 2004, 04:55
Well it appears that Microsoft is now using the same tactics used by the RIAA. They are tracking IP addresses of those downloading the Windows source code on kazaa and other networks and are urging ISPs to block them. MS is also threating to possibly sue individuals.

Article (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=1212&e=1&u=/washpost/20040218/tc_washpost/a52412_2004feb18&sid=96168964)
Title: Abuse the source, Luke.
Post by: Doogee on 19 February 2004, 11:34
Hmm it would be interesting but i wouldnt be bothered going around looking.

The list was funny though